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Top 2 reasons why WMP10 isn't my audio player

1) No OGG support. Come on Microsoft, you can do it. I know you can. You were even willing to ( apparently ) pony up the money to include high bitrate mp3 encoding. You can't hire a contract/temp developer for like a month to add support for completely free and open codecs? This is really a non-starter for me. If your player doesn't support 1/3 of my music, i'm not going to be using it.

2) The "web video" problem. Ok, this one is a bit more complicated. I'm the kinda guy that plays music 24x7. Regardless of what else i'm doing, I want my music playing. So, ok, here's the scenario... I'm surfing... I click a video link... Now, the old behavior was horrible. It used to just completely blow out your current playlist and play the video. For v10, they "solved" this problem in a half-assed way. Now, your current playlist is saved, the music is paused, and the video plays. Sure, this means you can go back to your music after the video is done, but that's not the behavior I want. What I want is for the music to CONTINUE PLAYING while the video plays. And more than just complain about it, I'll offer a solution too. It seems to me that the right way to solve this is to allow the user to "pin" an instance of wmp. A pinned instance won't be reused by other applications which open media. So I could open one instance of wmp, get my music going, and pin that instance. Then if I want to view a video clip those will be opened in a new window. Unfortunately, since something like v7 of wmp, multiple instances of wmp has not been possible. So while this is the right answer, I doubt it will ever happen.

So anyway, until BOTH of these issues are fixed, it's winamp for me.

Posted: Sep 02 2004, 05:37 PM by Andy Smith | with 40 comment(s) |
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Rob Cannon said:

About your complain 1): Why doesn't OGG make a codec for WMP? That's what DivX does (for instance). Instead of complaining that Microsoft doesn't support every possible media standard out there why don't you complain to the OGG people (whoever they are) that they don't support the number 1 (at least in terms of installations) media player. It's a well documented interface and there are tons of other third-party codecs that have been written...
# September 2, 2004 8:57 PM

Todd Moon said:

No, I agree with Andy. All things considered, I shouldn't have to go hunting for a plugin for WMP10 to play a format as popular as Ogg. It seems like it would be in MS's best interest to include it from the get-go, yet they don't. Why not? Winamp does. Even my favorite audio encoder, dBPowerAmp, has the codec included. Actually, it may have simply been available from the site. Either way, I didn't have to hunt for it on some third party site.
# September 2, 2004 9:19 PM

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# September 3, 2004 1:55 AM

Asbjørn Ulsberg said:

I agree with all points. Though, my favourite music player is XMPlay (http://www.xmplay.com/) because of its incredible keyboard shortcut support (you can bind any key to any control).

Microsoft seems to hate competing formats pretty intensely. OGG is competive with WMA. That's probably why they don't include support for it, but I don't really understand (or know, for that matter) why that's going to help anyone.
# September 3, 2004 5:08 AM

Dave Sussman said:

I agree on the pinning. In fact I think this should be available for IE too. I'm fed up with the seemingly random rules which govern whether existing IE windows are reused, or new ones created.

My reason for me reverting to WMP9 is that the Toolbar doesn't work. I like the minimised mode, but the play/pause, stop, prev, next buttons don't work, and it doesn't show the popup window when a track changes.

I also agree about ogg support. The way to increase usage of a product is to give it more support for third part protocols.
# September 3, 2004 5:51 AM

Paul Nicholls said:

I don't see the logic in MS adding ogg support - it's too much work with very little (any?) benefit - that's why it's not included.

I don't think I even know anybody who uses it; most of my friends, and online music shops, are using mp3 and m4a. From my perspective, it's very much a "novelty" format, regardless how good it might be.

If Vorbis want more market share, they should make plugins themselves, and convince someone to release free, legal music using it.

Incidentally, iTunes doesn't have support for it either, although there is a third-party plugin.
# September 3, 2004 7:25 AM

Geoff Appleby said:

Yeah, but really, who wants iTunes either? :)
This is more bias than anything, but I really cant' bring myself to install anythign made by Apple. QuickTime is bad enough.
# September 3, 2004 8:08 AM

Antao said:


I would understand if you were complaining about your hardware player not supporting Ogg Vorbis but, your software player?

On the hardware player, the only way to add new codecs is to change the firmware and, usually, only the manufacturer can do that. For example, Creative does not support Ogg. There is a petition, with 844 signatures, requesting this feature: http://www.petitiononline.com/oggpet/petition.html

WMP has a great plug-in arquitecture, called DirectShow, that is well documented and where anyone can create their own CODEC and distribute it for free. To play Ogg files on the WMP just download a CODEC from: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Filters_for_Ogg_Vorbis_Speex_Theora_and_FLAC.htm

Antao
# September 3, 2004 9:25 AM

Josh Flanagan said:

"I shouldn't have to go hunting for a plugin for WMP10 to play a format as popular as Ogg"

Huh? How popular IS Ogg? I mean, outside of the developer demographic? I don't know (personally) a single person that uses it as their primary file format. How many devices support Ogg? I bet there are a handful, and I also bet that is a very short, memorizable list.
I would guess that Real and Apple offer more popular formats than Ogg, and aren't supported by WMP.
I think it is reasonable that the format provider make the investment in creating a plugin, to help promote their format.

Of course, none of this is related to Andy's original post. He gave the specific reasons why he won't be using WMP10 because it doesn't fit his needs. That makes perfect sense, for his scenario, where a 3rd of his collection is Ogg. It shouldn't be interpreted as "why YOU shouldn't use WMP10". If you don't have any Ogg files, and you actually want your music to stop playing while watching a video, WMP10 might be the one for you.

# September 3, 2004 11:35 AM

Steven Douglas said:

I have an iRiver H-120 digital media player. The Hxxx series, even though soon to be discontinued for the H320 series, is very popular and has been rated the best dmp since it came out at the end of last year. WMP10 does not support this with it's synching feature, yet it does with less popular and inferior dap's. What's up with that?

Gone from WMP10 are the rapid up/down arrows for moving tracks in Album/Artist easily around the folder. Now you have to click each file, rt. click again choose up or down and click again to move only one space at at time!!! Come on!

BTW, how do I get WMP9 back?
# September 20, 2004 5:03 PM

Ryan Eaves said:

How about if they just fix the CD burning feature. I am sitting here right now waiting for my 16x burner to burn a CD at 2x because for some reason WMP10 gets buffer underruns at any higher speed. Pretty shoddy...
# September 21, 2004 8:18 PM

adamino_2 said:

ye i agree dudes, it also can't play AAC files.

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please as a newcomer what is OGG,  I was thinking of upgrading to wmp10

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