re: Diners and Public Radio

Jeff Julian said:

It is great to finally have you in the blogosphere.

# October 9, 2003 4:33 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Good to be here. I mean, it was bound to happen.

# October 9, 2003 4:44 PM

Zane said:

# November 14, 2003 12:38 PM

Doesn't sound like this is your problem, but I'm not sure if that model supports the API expected by MCE. You should check into that.

Good luck with it. I've been using it mostly as a jukebox, as my card troubles prevented me from using SVIDEO input (and the coax image quality wasn't cutting it).

I need to get a better cooling system too, the thing runs damned hot in my entertainment center. A new power supply probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

# December 1, 2003 4:18 PM

Brian Baker said:

What model of Inspiron did you have before? I have an 8000 and occasionally experience problems with the audio ground and syncing up with projectors.

# December 1, 2003 4:33 PM

Jim Cheseborough (jimDEL THIS@Cheseborough.com) said:

Very Cool. Thanks for the Blog update about this.
Hey Carl how about some *more* blogs on Whidbey from you? I don't think you've written enough on it (I could be wrong tho!).

For those of us than can't get our hands on a beta...we are anxiously awaiting the final release.

How do you like it?

Thanks
Jim

# December 5, 2003 10:32 AM

Billy,

Sure, go right ahead! Publish a link to this blog entry, if you don't mind. :-)

# December 6, 2003 4:53 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Eddy,

VS.NET just has to keep track of which controls/menu items are visible in a given layer, and to make sure that when your app switches from layer to layer that the new controls "appear" in a way that doesn't screw up the layout - i.e. drawing controls on top of each other.

CONCEPT CHECK: All the code is always there. All the UI is always there, it's just that both at design time and runtime, certain objects are invisible.

The designer UI simply needs to let you build a complex app in stages, but instead of forking the code (that would be bad) we need to quickly go from view to view or layer to layer.

I really don't think it's a complex task.

# December 6, 2003 4:59 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Now that I think of it, maybe a property of System.Windows.Forms.Control called Layer, which is 0 by default (there is always a layer 0) and can be set to reflect the layer that the control lives in.

I'm not sure who owns the logic to turn control functionality on and off. I suppose both the form (or container) and the control to some extent, although I haven't thought it through yet.

# December 6, 2003 5:12 PM

I like the ideal. And here's where I'd use it. Outlook. There's really only about 3 or 4 buttons that I use on a daily basis, however I've probably got 25 buttons and other items on the toolbars. I'd like to reclaim that space (can you tell I work on a laptop?). And only when I need those advanced items would I show them.

This is kind of along a line of another control I'd like to create called a cabinet control. Think of the XP drop-down menu, but that concept would be used on a toolbar. Show me the items I use alot (or pin, a la the Start menu in XP) and when I hover over the ">>" icon show me all of the toolbar.

Sean

# December 8, 2003 9:27 PM

Jim, Jim, Jim...

The goal is to have a LIVE stream. It's going to be DNR shows for the most part, but we are working toward a goal of having MULTIPLE live shows, call-ins and otherwise, on different topics, not just .NET.

This is phase one of what I hope will be what programmers and other IT professionals will want to listen to while they work.

Again, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. We're not taking down the website, and I'm certainly not forcing anyone to listen to the stream.

Cheers and happy ho-ho-ho to you too!

Carl

# December 23, 2003 7:09 PM

I was just catching up on past shows and I kind of went in backwards order. I got to the Dan Appleman show from 9/9/02 and I got a kick out of how much has changed from then. For instance the topic of Everette came up and nobody even knew what it was. My oh may how time flies.

# January 22, 2004 5:55 PM

SBC said:

I think '.NET Rocks' can do with a rating system - 'stars', 'thumbs-up' or similar. At the end of year, we can have our own Oscars!

# January 22, 2004 6:04 PM

I wrote the previous post on my ipaq while sitting on the crapper, so I apologize for its irreverence. I really wish Mark the best of luck with his business and love club .net rocks.

# January 27, 2004 3:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I think '.NET Rocks' can do with a rating system

It has one. It's called the blogsphere <g>

# January 27, 2004 4:31 PM

Scott said:

uh, Rory you mean the free bundled version of DivX that says "it's free because it's supported by adware"?

The one that says "This will install GAIN on your computer if you install it"

Can't blame the company if you click the "next" button without reading the site.

# January 27, 2004 7:17 PM

TrackBack said:

# January 27, 2004 7:18 PM

TrackBack said:

# January 27, 2004 7:18 PM

bliz said:

You're going to put Rory on the air LIVE! Can't wait to hear this!!!

# January 27, 2004 7:23 PM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

Carl,
I was a little bit disappointed with this show, because compare to other shows you produced it did not provide me with a solid knowledge of the of ClickOne technology. What I gathered was just marketing talk about what direction Microsoft is taken in the future, and like any other technologies have chances to change. I enjoyed brief conversation about Datasets though. Why wouldn't you talk more about topics that developers are working currently on? For example, how do you detect and resolve Concurrency conflict with ADO.NET?
Since, Microsoft is sponsoring bandwidth and hosting shows on MSND do they dictate who your next speaker is going to be?

Hope to hear from ya, Maxim

# January 27, 2004 8:34 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> did not provide me with a solid knowledge of the of ClickOne technology <

Unfortunately, nobody has a solid knowledge of ClickOnce because it does not exist yet. This was a future-oriented show that accomplished it's goals, I thought, which were to let people know what direction MS is taking with AutoDeployment.

> how do you detect and resolve Concurrency conflict with ADO.NET <

Listen to Bill Vaughn's shows.

> Since, Microsoft is sponsoring bandwidth and hosting shows on MSND do they dictate who your next speaker is going to be? <

Nope. I pick the speakers. Microsoft is sponsoring the show because it is good content and they really like it.

Hopefully you'll like the next one better. :-)

# January 27, 2004 8:46 PM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

Carl,
I listen to Bill Vaughn show it rocked!

I am looking forward to next show, so keep up good work.

# January 27, 2004 9:33 PM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

Real-life interaction is good. Ads are ads though regardless of the format.
There is a saying "Free cheese is only in mouse trap" :)

I thought Active Reports ads were pretty good!

# January 27, 2004 9:38 PM

Damian said:

I think it's a great idea.

# January 27, 2004 9:42 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Cool!

Tune in on Friday!

# January 27, 2004 9:42 PM

SBC said:

more prizes and give-aways with the ads may do the trick also.. :-)

# January 27, 2004 10:06 PM

Strafe said:

Whatever you need to do to keep the show coming! Actually I think I would be more receptive to hear developers talk about their product (infomercial like) than a 2 minute ad (which I occasionally fast forward thru anyway :blush:) Hmmm, maybe thats how I ended up with this rotisserie grill?!

# January 27, 2004 10:12 PM

Aaron Bull said:

It really comes down to the host of the show, if there attitude is "i need the $$ so i'll be really nice" then the ads will suck.

But if you question the product, have tried the product out, try and find out what it can and can't do, then everyone will benefit. Also suggest getting a developer of the product in for the ad, not just there salesman, could be more interesting,
with questions of "what were the main challenges etc", "what problems did you have porting your code from vb to dotnet" etc etc.

Just my usual 2 cents worth.

Aaron

# January 27, 2004 10:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Good idea! Get the vendors to give one away on the show.

# January 27, 2004 10:18 PM

Jim said:

I think thats a cool Idea. One other sugestion... Get rid of that "Girl" who does your show intro! She/He sounds really scary!

# January 27, 2004 10:20 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> if you question the product, have tried the product out, try and find out what it can and can't do, then everyone will benefit <

The problem is that it wouldn't be fair to the listeners for me to spend an hour or two with a product and form an opinion. That's why we've only had sponsors who have products we have used and like.

So, maybe an idea is for the vendor to bring along with them a developer who is using the product, and they can give a testimonial. That would be worth something to everybody, right?

# January 27, 2004 10:31 PM

Alan McBee said:

I have nothing against ads, per se. Only against ads for stuff that is clearly only randomly thrown at me. Ads about products/services that are in line with my field of work deserve at least a minute or two of my time. Sometimes they actually have their intended effect with me: I learn about a product that does something I need to do.

So what about having the ads, sure, (5 minutes tops), but instead of having it just an audio version of a print ad, covering all the bullet points that I will find out the home page of the web site anyway, suggest something different to the advertiser. Like, letting them discuss why one key feature sets their product apart.

Instead of just, "It saves time! Look at the web site! It organizes your Rolodex! Look at the web site! We won an award! It walks the dog!" you have more depth to the ad, rather than breadth. "Out of four products in our market, ours is the only one that walks the dog and scoops the poop -- something you won't find up on the home page of our web site. How does it work? We'll tell you. We modified a wet vac by attaching a COM interface to it, and harnessed it to our dog walking engine, which was built entirely in C#. Both the walker and the scooper's functionality are exposed through a Web Service. The New York Dog Walking Association chose our product and used it to walk sixty dogs at once. Since our competitors don't scoop the poop, thirty dogs were unmanageable for them. Poop would've been everywhere. But our product kept the sidewalks poop-free for the the duration of the longest walk."

Well, I guess there's a good reason I'm a software wonk and not an ad man.

Good luck, I think it's a good idea.

# January 27, 2004 11:03 PM

Johannes Hansen (DK) said:

That is a great idea! It will be much better than the current cheesy ads. Keep up the good work... .Net rocks! ;)

# January 27, 2004 11:11 PM

Edneeis said:

I like the developer using the product idea. Kind of like a product success story. Maybe if any listeners have had success with those products they could even write in or be incorporated in some how. I do get the sense that the ads aren't a sell your soul type situation where you let anyone advertise just to pay the bills.

PS I like the intro girl (in a purely platonic way)

# January 27, 2004 11:22 PM

Chris Kunicki said:

Actually, I think hearing from different vendors (even though they are paying) is interesting. I especially like when you put your take on the matter.

# January 27, 2004 11:57 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks for the great comments. I want to change the format, and I think this is a great way to do it.

# January 28, 2004 1:45 AM

Graham Pengelly said:

I like cheese... Not so sure about poop though... Sounds like a good idea to me. Whatever keeps you in ribs and keeps the show coming.

# January 28, 2004 3:35 AM

Gabriele Ponti said:

Only if related to the topic of the show.

# January 28, 2004 8:17 AM

Chris Jackson said:

VC++: Intro_girl++;
VB: Intro_girl = Intro_girl + 1

I like the idea of giving some time to sponsors to talk about their products. Maybe you could ask for questions to be submitted on your blog that developers would like to ask the sponsor concerning the functionality of their products and then have the sponsor address those during the show.

# January 28, 2004 9:17 AM

Daniel Auger said:

I think it would be much better than the run-of-the-mill type ads, as long as it isn't just, like Alan McBee said, an "audio version of a print ad". Developers don't care about sales hype, because we know most of it is BS anyway.

# January 28, 2004 9:45 AM

Eddie Gulley said:

Ads are ads, but given that we really want .Net Rocks to stay on the air (?) go for whatever you have to to keep it alive and kickin. BTW: Awesome show!

# January 28, 2004 10:41 AM

Paul Sturgill said:

I don't mind the short ads, but your idea to do a more in depth spot on the company and it's product is a great idea especially if they start giving away products.

# January 28, 2004 12:04 PM

Eddy Recio said:

Carl,

Some of my favorite ads were the cheesy ones you use to have about Franklins.NEt, specially since you use to play beats I assume were created by you, some were really good. Like Tim Huc mentioned on a show once, listeners including myself cant wait to fly out to New London, CT and have lunch with you guys up there. Having said that, it is a great idea, what you're proposing. I am sure like most we'd rather have a few ads per show and keep a good thing going. After all if it bothers anyone that much than fasforward thru it. Also, I wanted to share with you and you can pass this on to the vendors, that most.NET components we have bought in my company have been a result of seeing them in some form of ad mostly through say, magazine ads. Meaning advertising does work and once you hear a name then if you need it you check them out.

The only potential problem I see is, that since it is not pre-recorded or the same everytime, that each subsequent week the sponsor would have less to say.

Just a small concern,

Like always keep on Rocking!!!

# January 28, 2004 12:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks, Eddy.

I agree that we would not be able to do an extended segment with the same sponsor week after week. I imagine we'd still have some sponsors who would want to do the traditional ad spot (obviously for less $$) on a regular basis.

# January 28, 2004 1:44 PM

Cos Callis said:

Maybe you could post who the sponsors are going to be in advance so we could send in some or our questions in advance. (The "Cheesy" ads are good too...)

# January 28, 2004 11:41 PM

TrackBack said:

How far ahead do Micro$oft look, there is a two new versions of Visual Studio .Net (code named 'Whidbey' and 'Orcus' ) and a new Operationg system (codenamed 'Longhorn') on the way. I See that there are some very useful...

# January 29, 2004 2:31 AM

Chris Jackson said:

Carl - cool!

I'll be listening. Should be a great show!

.NetRocks On!

# January 29, 2004 8:54 AM

M Kenyon said:

Hey, I like the questions idea. Not just force fed info. Also, I'm sorry, but the intro girl just doesn't sound... right. She sounds like she's reading from a card and forcing a smile.

Maybe Datagrid Girl (Marcie Robillard) could do your intro.

# January 29, 2004 10:34 AM

Ian Leff said:

I vote keep the intro girl.

I use Active Reports.net and really like it. It would be very cool to hear from their architect and/or main developers.

As snoop dog would say, "Keep it real..."

Ian

# January 29, 2004 1:51 PM

Scott Galloway said:

Just don't let him sing...:-)

# January 30, 2004 9:40 AM

Scott Galloway said:

You do appear to have a number of guests from the Seventies (judging by the photos on http://www.franklins.net/dotnetrocks/) - did they have .NET then?

# January 30, 2004 9:42 AM

Kerry said:

Bummer... very popular show, no doubt. The server is busy. :(

# January 30, 2004 12:23 PM

Joe Grenier said:

Great job gentlemen! I would've loved to have called in, but I'm at work. So, I love the idea of a midnight show!!! I'm always up late coding...oh crap, did I just admit that pubicly. I must admit, I was skeptical at first about the "long form" ads, but it was very informative (having the guests ask questions of the advertiser was a good thing). I give it a thumbs up.

I love the live format...excellent job on your first show Rory...and keep the live stuff coming!!

# January 30, 2004 2:13 PM

Corey said:

Awesome job! I looked around for my old headset, but no luck finding it. I did download Skype, though, so maybe next time (if I'm home sick then, too).

# January 30, 2004 2:15 PM

Joe Grenier said:

OK, I admitted it "publicly".

# January 30, 2004 2:15 PM

Scott Glasgow said:

Good job and the idea of a late show is a good one as not everyone can call in during business hours.

# January 30, 2004 2:20 PM

Robert Scoble said:

I listened to a bit of it and it was excellent. Will listen to the rest when it's online.

# January 30, 2004 2:26 PM

James Avery said:

I got to listen to the first hour and it was awesome, keep up the great work. I really like the new ad format, much better than the old ads.

# January 30, 2004 2:39 PM

Ed said:

Great show and I love the idea of a DevTalk late show. I too am often up late coding. So if there is a support group or anything for people like us, then give me the 12 steps.

I also don't have a headset or mic during the day but should at home at night.

# January 30, 2004 2:39 PM

Jeff Julian said:

I really enjoyed the live show. Some of the calls were hard to hear, but other than that, I love this format.

# January 30, 2004 2:41 PM

Rob Windsor said:

Great show! Lost the feed a couple of times late in the first hour but still a Rocking success.

One of the callers aked about securing passwords in a database using .NET cryptography. Pat Hynds showed how to do this using hashing with random salt at at recent talk I attended.

Powerpoint and code samples from the talk can be found here:
http://www.torontoug.net/Downloads/385.aspx

# January 30, 2004 2:48 PM

Joe Sarna said:

Great show, I got so interested that I almost forgot to go register my car (last day today). Had to run out for 15 minutes to get that done.

# January 30, 2004 2:48 PM

Bill Vaughn said:

I enjoyed doing these talks with Carl. He's the qunitesential professional and host. He always makes the guest seem welcome and at ease. Ask me again anytime to talk on any subject from helicopters to jets (so to speak).

# January 30, 2004 2:54 PM

Cos Callis said:

For those who could connect.. I was able to connect before the show, but as soon as you went live all I could get was protocol not supported error from Window Media Player (I tried many times throughout the 2 hours... rebooted... Had no problem connecting to other forms of streaming audio or video...) Any thoughts?

Looking forward to hearing the rerun...

# January 30, 2004 3:03 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Hm. I don't know what the deal was. I'm going to be examining the logs to see how to tweak the server. Although I haven't had any other bad reports yet.

# January 30, 2004 3:11 PM

Dan said:

I had the same connection problem...Cant way to get it when it comes online.

Thanks you Carl

# January 30, 2004 3:13 PM

Marc LaFleur said:

I just glad I was so quick to remember System.Net.DNS. I sometimes astound myself with my memory. ;-)

# January 30, 2004 3:14 PM

Marc LaFleur said:

Hmmm, that should "I'm just" rather than "I just". Sometimes a also astound myself with my inability to use my native language beyond a 3rd grade level. :(

# January 30, 2004 3:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

LOL. Hey, if anyone else had this connection problem, please tell me. I want to see if there's a connection limit imposed by default. It definitely wasn't a bandwidth problem. We have 10Mbits

# January 30, 2004 3:16 PM

Stuart Laughlin said:

I couldn't connect, either, but I'm fairly certain my corporate firewall/proxy was to blame. So +1 on the idea of a nighttime show.

# January 30, 2004 3:50 PM

Marc LaFleur said:

As you know should know Carl, no one ever "Rocks" at noon. All good rocking happens late at night. So I second that.

Besides, the only thing better than a geek call-in program would be a drunken geek call-in program.

# January 30, 2004 3:55 PM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

See the link for comment

# January 30, 2004 4:20 PM

Scott said:

Rob: I didn't see anything in that PowerPoint about how to encrypt passwords for storage in a database if anyone is interested. I wrote up a very short "how to" about hashing them in ASP.NET. It just uses the FormsAuthentication hashing method, but I think it works pretty well.

http://www.lazycoder.com/article.php?story=20040130162602331

# January 30, 2004 5:16 PM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

I did a post on my blog awhile back about Cryptography and wanted to ask Dan.
http://ipattern.com/simpleblog/PermLink.aspx?entryid=19

Patterns are cool!

www.ipattern.com do you?

# January 30, 2004 6:19 PM

Graham Pengelly said:

Enjoyed the show. Downloaded Skype but forgot to pick up a headset so missed out on the prizes. I was listening in UK so the show was on at 5.00pm which was fine for me. Still missing Mark's laid back drawl but Rory was a worthy replacement. Very amusing... Nice one gentlemen...

# January 30, 2004 6:22 PM

Scott said:

Maxim's Post is much better than my post. Much more detail. :)

Think of mine as a sprig of parsley on the plate of Maxim's post. It's just there for decoration, you can eat it but it's not very filling. Maxim's is a meal.

</threadjacking>

# January 30, 2004 7:02 PM

Rob Windsor said:

Scott and Max: Sorry I should have checked the download from Pat's talk. There is a slide there where he did the Random Salt demo but I guess he didn't supply the demo project.

I found this link that explains the process and has demo code.

http://www.sys-con.com/dotnet/article.cfm?id=487

# January 31, 2004 10:52 AM

Rob Zelt said:

Live is GREAT! Listener interaction adds an exciting new element to the show. I would like to see this become a regular event.

# January 31, 2004 11:22 AM

Ariel Popovsky said:

I listened to almost the entire show from Argentina. Excelent as always.
Do you know how many people were connected?

# January 31, 2004 3:02 PM

Carl Franklin said:

The most we ever had at one time was 81 listeners. I think that's pretty good for blogs and email being the only advertising.

# January 31, 2004 4:44 PM

David Cumps said:

Very nice pictures! Great installation you got there :)

# January 31, 2004 5:06 PM

Dan Appleman said:

It was a pleasure being on the show. Just wanted to add a comment about passwords.

Hashed passwords are a great way to store passwords. The one problem with them is, if you have a site where you allow a user to recover a password (have it emailed to them after some verification process), it won't work - because you don't have the original password either.

Personally, I'd suggest staying with hashed passwords and using the approach of sending out a newly created random password once the user verifies (and ask them to change it).

But if you must return the actual password, you'll need to use symetrical encryption. This means storing the master key locally on the server - meaning it's vulnerable. But at least you make things more difficult, in that someone would have to steal both the password database and the private key in order to see the passwords.

# January 31, 2004 7:02 PM

Stuart said:

Hey that was quick; thanks!

# February 1, 2004 11:47 AM

G. Andrew Duthie said:

Looks like the site is currently down...hope someone's working on it, as I'm eager to see Carl's studio/office. :-)

# February 1, 2004 2:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It's back up now! - Sorry

# February 1, 2004 3:05 PM

JUstin King said:

Awesome show guys, one of the best flowing shows yet. Late should would be good and that way won't have to get up at 4am to listen :)

# February 1, 2004 4:57 PM

CEllis said:

Great show!

being that in the last year i just started washing my hair after 19 years of c coding. i found that when it comes to wireless security you should use the MAC addresses and program them into the AP's list of accepted devices. this way unless someone can obtain and spoof your MAC's they cant get service from your AP.

when adding this with use of encryption by your AP it makes it very difficult for anyone to suck your bandwidth.

# February 1, 2004 6:15 PM

TrackBack said:

# February 1, 2004 11:45 PM

Paul said:

Awesome show - Friday's @ 9 AM PST, it's on my calendar.

# February 2, 2004 1:53 AM

Gabriele Ponti said:

I was one of the 82, and I find it hard to believe we were so few. Could it be because of the time? Anyway, I'm confident it's going to be a success in the future.

# February 2, 2004 7:59 AM

Eddy Recio said:

How awesome is that!!!
Specially for those that were unable to listen to the 1st live show.

# February 2, 2004 9:35 AM

Rory said:

Gabriele -

It turns out that we actually had a couple hundred people tune in, but just not at the same time - the peak *simultaneous* users was 82, but not the total across the board.

We found that out a day after the broadcast, so that's cool :)

# February 2, 2004 12:56 PM

Damian said:

This is great, I missed the live show (being in a different hemisphere) so it's great to be able to listen.

It's a shame I couldn't listen live, I would have had a great database horror story for you...

# February 2, 2004 5:02 PM

j mog said:

hey guys. i need help with termserv. once i have the server, how do i connect to it via a client? thanks! i probably won't check back here so please email/msn: jaskolak@bellsouth.net or AIM: jasonmog

:)

# February 2, 2004 6:18 PM

j mog said:

oops, email: jaskolka@bellsouth.net

# February 2, 2004 6:19 PM

Mark Dunn said:

I was able to listen to the recorded show last night. The new format is wicked awesome cool!!! I'm *excited* for you and Rory moving forward. In fact, I haven't been this excited since I was with a group of rednecks touring the Coors plant in Golden, CO.

# February 2, 2004 6:56 PM

adam said:

that was cool

# February 2, 2004 7:21 PM

M Kenyon said:

Speaking of Coders gone author... whatever happened to Stone's Way (or something like that). It used to be on MSDN a few years ago.

If you get a chance, check out my BLOG. Posted a funny link about the Sco/Linux battle.

# February 3, 2004 9:19 AM

M Kenyon said:

Sorry, found it:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnstone/html/stone04162001.asp

I think you'll like him, he's into music too. (Tho, you have probably gotten to meet him.)

# February 3, 2004 9:25 AM

NJ John said:

Great show! Rory is an awesome addition. Keep up the great work!

# February 3, 2004 1:17 PM

James Avery said:

Why the decision to bleep out the "F" word? Seems kind of silly, I think your audience if mature enough to handle it. :)

Awesome show though!

-James

# February 3, 2004 2:55 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Well, we don't bleep it during the live show, and the only reason to bleep the archive is that MSDN is hosting us, and I don't think it reflects well on them for us to blatantly use the F-word in the show.

# February 3, 2004 3:07 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Hey over here in Australia over 500,000 people lost there jobs because of the same things.

# February 4, 2004 3:24 AM

marco said:

Listening to the mp3 now.
Great stuff.
Whoever engineered it did GREAT work.
I'm almost getting the same vibe
listening as I got sitting in live.
You really are "there."

marco

# February 4, 2004 9:02 PM

marco said:

For those of you who got

protocol not supported error from Windows Media Player

what you need to do is find
the button that says "turn
off SSL" and check that.

j/k

marco

# February 4, 2004 9:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

LOL

# February 4, 2004 10:55 PM

chad said:

The video was great. Is there any place that we can download the code from or could you send it to me at cdalton22@carolina.rr.com?

# February 4, 2004 11:17 PM

SBC said:

Carl.. terrific idea in going 'live'.. but don't have any 'wardrobe malfunctions'.. :-)

# February 5, 2004 10:44 AM

Carl Franklin said:

LOL. The world would be even MORE shocked if that happened to us!

# February 5, 2004 1:41 PM

Randy said:

Here's another one for ya: "Memoirs of an Italian Geek"

# February 5, 2004 2:18 PM

TrackBack said:

# February 5, 2004 4:45 PM

Justin King said:

The show damn well rocks, when I get over to the U.S definitely going to book into a franklins master class for some cool action.

# February 5, 2004 5:11 PM

Strafe said:

"I am writing a Windows Service in VB.NET that will call a web service to determine if there is a new show available and automatically download the new stuff to a directory of your choice. That will make it easy for you to be a true fan!"

Good Lord is that geeky! I love it!

# February 5, 2004 6:35 PM

Iain said:

I. Want. That. Sprint. Card. Thing.

Now.

Damnnable behind-the-times australia.

# February 5, 2004 7:57 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Gotta see that man! .NET does rock!

# February 6, 2004 2:45 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Must haves to see!

# February 6, 2004 2:45 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Here it is. 179 bucks and it's yours.

http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/devices/wireless_cards/c201.html

# February 6, 2004 2:49 AM

rami said:

i love vb

# February 8, 2004 11:11 AM

Randy said:

I'm in.

# February 9, 2004 4:15 PM

Søren said:

Having just heard the show I got to thinking about the feature difference between VB.NET and C#. What I really don't understand is why C# doesn't have that nice background compile feature that we love so much from VB.NET.

Are we going to see background compile in C# any time soon?

# February 10, 2004 7:29 AM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

Carl,
I started with Quick Basic years ago and never converted to any other language. I enjoyed to the show completely! Rock on Carl! It was a very good idea of you being interviewed this way people will know what you do and where you coming from.

Maxim

[www.ipattern.com do you?]

# February 10, 2004 8:07 AM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

Carl,
You rock, do you have more of mixes like this one?

Thanks, Maxim

[www.ipattern.com do you?]

# February 10, 2004 10:07 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yes... http://www.pwop.com/samples.aspx

# February 10, 2004 2:59 PM

Rory said:

It's funny that you should mention drum sounds - when I first listened to that clip (when you pointed me to it a couple days ago), I actually took note of the drum sounds.

Given that you only had two mics, you did quite the job - especially with the crash, which didn't peak and came off smoothly.

Pretty cool.

# February 10, 2004 4:13 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I actually figured out the mic placement by sitting at the drums with headphones and moving the mics around until it sounded great.

# February 10, 2004 4:49 PM

Rory said:

"Now we have to do a show from there, Rory..."

Well, if you want to twist my arm about it :)

I guess I could find it in my heart to go to warm, sunny, pleasant Southern California in May...

# February 10, 2004 6:53 PM

Joel said:

"don't need to spend more than $200"... True enough, but if you compared the two mics you used to two really high class mics in the same mic positions the difference would be pretty noticeable. (Don't get me wrong - you clearly were listening carefully to get the kit to sound like this with the pair of mics you used - good job!)

If you ever get the chance to have your hands on a pair of Earthworks SR77's or omni's I would encourage you to try the experiment again and then compare. There are plenty of possibilities - but all the ones that would be 'clearly different', including the Earthworks are in the $700-2000 range (oops - so much for $200).

You might find it interesting to also mic the kick, and then you can mix an eq'd bit of that back in to get the head snap and bottom without bringing in more room sound or altering the feel of the rest of the kit. I have used the Rode NT3 condensers for kick, and for under $150 it's pretty surprising. Makes a good overhead mic also.

As you've pointed out, mic placement is critical to getting good results. If more people would be willing to spend time to get the placement just right there would be a lot less need for fancy gadgets later on in the process ;)

Out of curiosity, what system are you recording on?

# February 10, 2004 8:36 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I actually have a pair of AT4033s, and about 9 other mics. I normally mic the whole kit with various mics, but I was really surprised at what cheap mics well placed could do. I thought the sound I got was perfect for the tune.

I have 2 presonus Digimax units, a couple Laylas, and I record using Cool Edit Pro 2.1 (usually)

# February 10, 2004 8:44 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I started Quick Basic on my Playstation 2 but I wish I had of waited for X-Box to come out!
Its available in the European and Australasian versions of the Ps2.
Pretty cool check it out www.yabasic.co.uk
is basically the nerds website and I've forgotten the official one.

# February 11, 2004 3:03 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

They had a Tech-Ed over here in Australia. But... It was a long way away from where I live and I had school to conduct with!

# February 11, 2004 3:06 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Pity it isn't being done over here in Australia

# February 11, 2004 4:35 AM

guercheLE@hotmail.com (Luciano Evaristo Guerche) said:

Carl,

Have you ever thought of broadcasting .Net Rocks! in video/audio format? I enjoy .Net Rocks! very much and just came to my mind how it would be compared to .Net Show! and MSDN TV.

Regards,

Luciano Evaristo Guerche
Jacarei, SP, Brazil

# February 11, 2004 8:18 AM

M Kenyon said:

Sweet. Carl's gonna speak! I'd go if I had the green paper for it.

But Rory, you'll be bouncing all over the country like a pinball. West coast, east coast, west coast...

BTW, you like surfing? Hey, CT isn't the best surf, but East Beach in RI isn't too bad. Not too far from New London.

# February 12, 2004 9:32 AM

Aaron Weiker said:

Congradulations. BTW, I also loved your last show. The three of you made a great couple and I can't wait until next week to hear the next installment.

# February 12, 2004 11:27 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

wow!

# February 13, 2004 7:29 PM

Damien McGivern said:

And there's me thinking it was just me and a couple of other regulars. Been listening since the first show - I wonder how many downloaded that on the first week? Do you have that stat handy? Keep up the good work Carl & Co. - it's a good laugh, informative and much appreciated.

# February 13, 2004 9:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I think there were less than 50 downloads of the first show in the first week. I remember being excited when the download count reached 300!

# February 13, 2004 9:38 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Yeah on my very old site I used to race my brother for the highest stats!

# February 14, 2004 1:50 AM

Corey said:

Well, a few of those are mine, as I've started downloading the old ones, burning them to CD and enjoying them in my car. People definitely look at me a bit oddly when I sit there at the light laughing and (okay, I admit it) sometimes commenting how true something is. :)

# February 14, 2004 4:44 PM

IJ said:

Hello Lads kindly visit here and try your luck.
Thank u .

http://nextl3vel.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=6846

# February 15, 2004 12:21 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Just so everyone knows, I bought a new Media Center PC. Problem solved.

# February 15, 2004 12:36 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Cool! I'm listening to it right now!!!

# February 16, 2004 11:23 PM

Jason Mauss said:

hey Carl, I saw some pics of your "studio" that you posted for the first live show you did. Could you tell your listeners the specs of the gear in that room? I saw a bunch of LCD's and other interesting stuff (instruments). My "home office" includes:

Toshiba Laptop
HP Laptop
2 PC "Towers"
21" Sony Trinitron - display for both PC's
Copier/Scanner/Faxer/Printer Machine
1 Electric Guitar
1 Acoustic Guitar
Practice Amp + Effects pedals
27" Sony Vega TV - for the XBox ;-)

# February 18, 2004 6:43 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Sure, although my insurance company has the big list, I'm doing this from memory:

Mackie 2408 8-Bus mixer
2 Presonus Digimax 8x Preamps with lightpipe out and built in limiters
2 Echo Layla 24/96 digital audio interfaces
Several ProCo balanced patchbays (everything is balanced in my studio)
Audio PC is a custom P4 2.6GHz, 2GB Ram and about 500GB storage
Behringer compressors and limiters
Viewsonic 23" LCD Monitor
2 MPC P4 2.6GHz, 1GB RAM and Benq 17" LCD monitors for hosting Skype calls
Mackie powered monitors (model # escapes me for the moment)
The Audio PC is running Sound Laundry to clean up background noise of the signal going to the media server
Keyboard PC is a P4 2.6GHz 2GB RAM and 200GB HD running GigaSampler; Native Instruments B4, FM7, and ABSynth; and a custom MIDI routing program that I wrote in VB.NET
Keyboard PC is connected to a rack containing an MOTU Midi Timepiece MIDI Interface, Alesis MIDIVerb, and a 12-channel Mixer
Kurzweil PC-88x Controller
M/Audio small MIDI controller (again, model number eludes me)
Boss MIDI Pedal for controling overall volume and switching leslie simulator on and off
1983 Gibson Les Paul standard, recently refretted, refinished, and re-outfitted with new hardware and EMG active pickups
1980 Fender Precision Bass (dinosaur)
1993 Taylor Koa dreadnought (forgot the model number)
1990 (or so) Strat Plus with Lace Sensor pickups (like Clapton's)
Boss Guitar Effects pedal on steroids
Mesa Boogie DC-5 tube combo amp
Peavy Delta Blues tube amp
Yamaha Custom Maple 5-piece drum kit
2 100 foot 16x4 audio snakes
Shitloads of microphones (SM57s and 58s, Marshall tube condensors, 3 AT-4033s, 2 AT-4050s, countless others)
Misc stands, cables, picks, etc.

I probably missed a few things, but you get the gist of it.

# February 18, 2004 8:54 AM

Bob Reselman said:

Hey All!!

Thanks for the attention. The book will be released from the printer on March 1. I will also have a bunchf T-Shirts and Caps on sale too. (Gotta feed the kids, you know.) Also, we are coming out with a set of free Coding Slave ePostcards...sorta naughty... but cool enough so that you don't feel uncomfortable explaining the humor to your teenage daughter. If you want me to send you a pre-release ePostcard, feel free to contact me at bob@CodingSlave.com. Put something like, "send me an ePostCard, dude!" in the subject, so that I am sure to notice.

# February 18, 2004 9:29 PM

Jason Mauss said:

heh, that's awesome. I hope business travel takes me out towards New London sometime. Love to stop by and check that out.

# February 18, 2004 10:40 PM

Carl Franklin said:

My door is always open!

# February 18, 2004 11:00 PM

Rob said:

Floppy - Kinda has an oppurtunity for a slam, but hey - You mention users having nothing smart to say, well, for that matter, half of your reply wasn't "smart" either and wasted my time reading it. The ISO probably works. Just because XP and Server 2003 work, doesn't mean that the hardware supports XP Media Center, as I found that my hardware supported XP, 2003, and others, but not MCE - Installed the same disks to another machine which met the hardware standards for MCE and the software installed just fine.

People with the "smart" questions, probably are the same people who don't jump to conclusions just because "two operating systems worked fine" -

Smart is taking a "systimatic" approach and not just "winging" it.

FAQ areas are for all kinds of people, both "smart" and people lacking some knowledge. Smart is not being afraid of making a post. "SMart" would have been me not wasting my time replying to this thread. But even smart people make mistakes. LOL. Which seems to be my case, according to my 5 year old daughter.

Everyone else - Thanks for the help and keep posting both smart and whatever else floats your boat.

By the way - Your quote - "People that do not have downloaded from..."

A Smart sentence would have been closer to = "People who haven't downloaded from MSDN...."

Oops... I've used up my quota of smart things to say.

Night all.

# February 20, 2004 1:44 AM

Jason Mauss said:

It actually sounded interesting until the "Lots of traveling" part. Thanks to all the post 9/11 security measures, I won't go near a job description like that.

# February 20, 2004 2:55 AM

Rich C said:

With the intense northwest focus lately, wouldn't it be easier for you to move here instead of Rory moving there :-)?

Looking forward to the show!

# February 20, 2004 4:23 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

I so so cannot wait!

# February 20, 2004 4:54 AM

Scott said:

Carl,

A quick suggestion might be to field questions over IM as well as Skype (sp?).

The noon EST time assures that almost anyone listening in the US will be at work (or should be looking for work :)

-Scott

# February 20, 2004 7:14 AM

Dan Wygant said:

Hi Carl,
My Newsletter Editor for HUNTUG.org & VSdotNetUG.org sent me this URL (she's a big fan of yours & requested you to appear for April - Thnx!).

Anyhow, if it doesn't require reloc I would love to hear more. My personal goal is to do OOP forever and a day, in a good way; so many programmers/architects don't have the firm grasp on OO even after years of development.

# February 20, 2004 7:53 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We are now taking *phone calls*, Skype calls, AND regular old text messages.

# February 20, 2004 8:04 AM

AndrewSeven said:

"apparently"
What does that mean? ;)

# February 20, 2004 8:41 AM

Dan said:

I get the following error

Windows Media Player cannot play the file because the specified protocol is not supported. In the Open URL dialog, try opening the file using a different transport protocol (for example, "http:" or "rtsp:").

Any suggestions?

# February 20, 2004 11:41 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We're having technical difficulties with the live stream. Stay tuned

# February 20, 2004 1:24 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It turns out that moving our encoder machine into the studio was most likely the culprit of our mayhem today. We only had 40 or so listeners, and we had a big intranet bottleneck. We only had 5Mbits out at the peak, and we have 10, so that wasn't it.

Anyway, we're going to have a testing and optimizing session over the weekend. The finished show sounds pretty good save for a few epoisodes of feedback, which we can mostly clean up.

Carl

# February 20, 2004 3:22 PM

DanK said:

I was only able to catch parts of the second half, media player kepy buffering out. From what I heard, sounded good, looking forward to hearing the full monty. Sounds like the frenchman is feeling a little better? Keep up the great work!

# February 20, 2004 5:04 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Wouldn't you still require a T3? I thought a 5MB line wouldn't be fast enough for the amount of listeners you guys get.

# February 20, 2004 5:32 PM

Rory said:

"Sounds like the frenchman is feeling a little better?"

The frenchman is just about to pass out :)

Thought I'd check Carl's blog for any updates on the technical difficulties, but my stamina is quickly reaching its end. I'm beat... Can't wait for this stupid flu thing to be totally over.

# February 20, 2004 5:51 PM

Edneeis said:

Yeah my player was buffering out too (that sounds like an innuendo) but I'm looking forward to the recorded version. What I heard sounded good.

# February 20, 2004 5:58 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Man this has been one massive over problem.

# February 20, 2004 6:11 PM

Will Nowak said:

The parts of the show that I could catch were great, but I can understand the diffuculties. At first I thought it was just the cable at my house, but when I went to the school and had the same problem, I knew it couldnt be me. Geoff and I had a nice long discussion about the show over some McDonalds, and was interesting to get filled in on the parts of the show i missed

# February 21, 2004 1:22 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> Wouldn't you still require a T3?

We actually have 10 Mb but only 5Mb was utilized.

We're going to do some reading, tweaking, and testing over the weekend.

# February 21, 2004 10:18 AM

Cos Callis said:

Carl,
I was (finally) able to tune into the .NET Rocks show once I moved to an address outside of my firewall... What ports are you broadcasting on? (I know you don't have them memorized, but I am able to stream audio/video from a variety of other sources so I'm guessing your doing something different...)

Overall, another great show, thanks.

Cos

# February 21, 2004 11:57 AM

Cos Callis said:

Dan (and Carl),
I had the same error until I moved outside of the firewall. My guess is you are broadcasting on a blocked port...

HTH,
Cos

# February 21, 2004 12:00 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Interesting. We were supposed to be streaming over port 80. I will check that out.

# February 21, 2004 12:23 PM

Alxdotnet said:

addends is right

# February 21, 2004 3:22 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Just on the subject of .NET Carl www.icsharp.com there #develop is a free IDE compiler which supports VB,C# and Java. Sadly though it doesn't have ASP.NET support but combined with ASP.NET Web Matrix you don't need to spend hundreds of dollors or even sometimes thousands on Visual Studio.NET.

# February 21, 2004 7:36 PM

Cos Callis said:

The Http link handles the initial connection, but then it is redirected to a range of ports to handle the actual streaming. What ever streaming audio server you are using should tell you (and allow you to set) the ports you are going to use. Hope this helps.

Cos

# February 21, 2004 8:12 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Right. And, we have it set up on the media server to use HTTP. I have reports from people behind firewalls that they heard it ok, except that it was broken up.

# February 21, 2004 8:14 PM

Jason Mauss said:

Hook me up, brotha.

# February 21, 2004 9:02 PM

Dan Bright said:

I'd love to help.

# February 21, 2004 10:46 PM

Cos Callis said:

Just say "When"

# February 21, 2004 10:49 PM

Julie Lerman said:

Just an FYI - I have DSL and was getting a ton of buffering. Unfortunately it was enough to make it much too difficult to listen to. Could be something on my end. I have no idea if anyone else experiecned that as well. Just wanted to let you know in case its useful info.

# February 21, 2004 10:53 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Julie, it wasn't you. Everyone was experiencing it. It was on our end. That's why we're doing our test tonight.

# February 21, 2004 11:29 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Almost done moving and setting up the server. We should be ready to do the test in an hour or so.

# February 21, 2004 11:35 PM

Cos Callis said:

when ready to test, what url should we connect to? will you post a link?

# February 22, 2004 12:55 AM

Carl Franklin said:

See if you can connect to http://radio1.franklins.net/dnr

# February 22, 2004 1:28 AM

Cos Callis said:

connected and streaming well...

# February 22, 2004 1:31 AM

Edneeis said:

Working good now

# February 22, 2004 1:37 AM

Carl Franklin said:

If you do a netstat -n and you can see that it's streaming over http. It was NOT before. Doh!

# February 22, 2004 1:38 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I'll leave this up and running... going to bed. Nite all.

# February 22, 2004 1:48 AM

Rory said:

I'm listening to the stream right now, and it's crystal-clear - no stutters, no skipping.

Good job, man :)

# February 22, 2004 2:45 AM

OmegaSupreme said:

Enjoyed the show despite the problems look forward to a smooth stream next time.

Good job.

# February 22, 2004 10:17 AM

Dominic Hopton said:

Well, Windows does support more than one mouse and keyboard.

No, you dont see two cursors on the screen, 'cause thats daft. What an application can do (on XP+) is get a handle to an additional mouse (or keyboard), and read the movement information from it, and do what you want.

I call see an massive HCI issue with your suggesttion - I only have two hands. MOving two mice in sync for something like a fader is hard for my arms to manage, but easy for fingers 'cause they are hinged at the knuckle.

If you want that experiance, either wacom tablet type device/touch screen, or (my preferance) a mixing desk that is just a USB device that plugs into DirectPlay and allows all the knobs and dials to be reconfigured.

# February 22, 2004 12:36 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I'll have to look into the XP input thing. Is there a specific API for it? Does .NET have a library to support that? It's interesting, for sure.

As for your suggestion to just get a mixing desk controller, let me further explain. The point isn't that I'm trying to solve the mixing desk problem. I'm thinking of many applications where you need more than one simultaneous screen input in a touch-screen application. A keyboard has keys such as Ctrl that when you hold it down, modifies other keys. Nothing like that exists for the mouse, because the mouse is the only device we use for input. With any touch-screen application (for example, a submarine navigation console, or any kind of industrial controller panel) you should be able to hold down one button while turning a knob, or grab two faders with two different fingers and adjust them independently.

# February 22, 2004 2:05 PM

Catatonic said:

You can use the Raw Input API's under Windows XP to get separate input from more than one mouse.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winui/winui/windowsuserinterface/userinput/rawinput.asp

There is sample code for Win32 here:

http://link.mywwwserver.com/~jstookey/arcade/rawmouse/

I don't think this stuff is built into the Framework.

# February 23, 2004 3:46 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

I hate to say this but I got error C00D1198 I personally no nothing about audio streaming.

# February 23, 2004 4:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It's not currently streaming anything. We'll have it up on Friday before the show.

# February 23, 2004 4:45 AM

M Kenyon said:

Hmm... interesting... I guess, you would also need apps requiring such device input. Future input devices too, where you could use two hands (gaming gloves for two hand virtual reality)
Or let's just say we want to put a touch screen keyboard on a tablet PC. How do they do that now for things like capitalization? (Shift and key)

# February 23, 2004 9:20 AM

M Kenyon said:

K, Um... it's still not streaming, and... umm... (Cough noLinks cough...)
What's up?

# February 23, 2004 9:23 AM

M Kenyon said:

oh, you meant, streaming for next friday... sorry, thought you'ld have the last 3 shows streaming.

# February 23, 2004 9:24 AM

Anthony Mills said:

I do. That way I can use either my left hand or my right hand to do the cursor movement. I've got an ancient Microsoft mouse hooked up to the PS/2 port and a Logitech Dual Optical hooked up to a USB port.

I do so because sometimes I'll get a twinge of RSI in my right wrist; when that happens, I just use the other hand.

The effect on Windows is that either mouse will move the cursor; I've freaked out a coworker before by surreptitiously moving the other mouse while he was trying to use one of them. :)

# February 23, 2004 10:26 AM

Joe Beda said:

Very interesting ideas. This is something that I know that I've talked about with other people. There always seem to be more pressing features that we need though :)

How do you think you would handle focus? Should the app keep the idea of multiple focus areas? What about click-to-activate things?

Joe

# February 23, 2004 10:45 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I think the standard "cursor" would remain as such. One cursor, one focus, etc. Something has to be smart enough to parse the equivalent of a MouseDown, MouseMove, and MouseUp event and pass those to the underlying app.

# February 23, 2004 10:54 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

oh

# February 23, 2004 5:59 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sorry for the confusion, guys

# February 23, 2004 6:03 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

This is a great show gettin' broadcasted right now Carl.

# February 23, 2004 6:27 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yessir!

# February 23, 2004 6:28 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I spent the whole morning listening to that show I just loved it!

# February 23, 2004 7:55 PM

Catatonic said:

Yeah, the problem is that when you have 2 mice connected, they will both work the cursor. And you really want the ability to have just one mouse control the cursor, while still being able to read input from the 2nd one.

# February 23, 2004 8:44 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I guess I'm thinking of a touch-screen interface only. Maybe use the touch screen as a single controller with multiple points... separate from the mouse cursor.

As I think about this more, that's really what I'd like to see.

# February 23, 2004 8:54 PM

Catatonic said:

"DiamondTouch is a touch input device that distinguishes between multiple simultaneous users and tracks multiple simultaneous touch points for each user." Is this cool or what? I don't think you can run out & buy one today. But still.

http://www.merl.com/projects/DiamondTouch/

# February 24, 2004 4:48 AM

TomB said:

Your show is great. I was wondering what's the best way to support it. If I purchase something from one of your sponsors, how would I go about indicating the referral.

# February 24, 2004 10:00 AM

Carl Franklin said:

You can just shoot the sponsor an email saying you heard about them from .NET Rocks! Other than that, just spread the word in any way you can about our show. The more listeners we have, the more interested companies are in sponsoring us.

# February 24, 2004 2:29 PM

TrackBack said:

I blogging again in a new home

# February 24, 2004 3:49 PM

Ian Penrose said:

We are software developers based in New Zealand, and a number of our clients run our
applications under terminal services. I'm not sure if 2003 offers anything different here, but is there an api that will allow us to find the workstation i/d associated with a terminal services session?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Regards

Ian Penrose
Penrose Associates Ltd
Te Aroha
New Zealand
ihcp@ihug.co.nz

# February 24, 2004 7:39 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I've spread the word in a few forums on the net.

# February 25, 2004 12:05 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Awesome!! Thanks. How about a .NET Rocks! Coffee mug???

# February 25, 2004 12:28 AM

M Kenyon said:

Shoot the sponsor. Not sure how that will help... but okay...
Listening as I type. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You and your crew are awesome.

# February 25, 2004 9:43 AM

Paul Sturgill said:

Is that web service done yet?

# February 25, 2004 3:48 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Heh. Not yet.

# February 25, 2004 10:19 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Cool! Thanks Carl!!!

# February 26, 2004 2:56 AM

Pacifix said:

A truly excellent piece of work. More, please!

# February 26, 2004 4:38 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I missed the damn show because I was out all morning and all afternoon!

# February 28, 2004 7:01 PM

Austin Wise said:

The Tweak UI tool lets you enable this and it seems to work pretty well after rebooting.
It is available at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp.

# February 29, 2004 1:40 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Awesome! Where have I been?

LOL

# February 29, 2004 2:03 AM

Pavel Lebedinsky said:

I thought the default setting in XP was to flash the taskbar button when another app tries to steal focus.

The problem is that it doesn't prevent focus stealing from the same process. For example, when you press Win+R immediately after logging on and start typing in the Run... dialog, explorer can decide that it needs to show you the folders that you had open when you were last logged on, and steal the focus from the dialog.

# February 29, 2004 4:47 AM

TrackBack said:

This post from Carl Franklin couldn't be more on the money in my opinion. I have found this to be a major annoyance in the past and present. While I haven't published my credit card number to the world yet, I have experienced a few "Phew! That was close" moments jumping between financial reports, proposals, IM conversations and secure forms at the same time. Yah I know the perfect user isn't supposed to do multiple tasks like that at once but reality often dictates otherwise....

# February 29, 2004 12:22 PM

Edneeis said:

I have to say that I found it very interesting to hear about java and the meeting of both worlds. I didn't really look forward to that show but turned out to be a great one.

# March 1, 2004 2:13 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I feel the same way. The difference between that show and other things you read is objectivity. Ted and Bruce are the only people I've read who live in both worlds.

# March 1, 2004 2:16 AM

Rory said:

When I'm at least slightly settled in CT, I'm going to post about this show.

I don't know why, but I just *loved* it. I walked away very impressed with Ted and Bruce.

We went a little over the 2 hour limit, but I felt like we could have gone on all day and not run out of steam. I still wanted to talk quite a bit about Java 1.5, but we never got around to it.

Maybe another show, eh? ...EH? :) I'd love to have Ted and Bruce back...

# March 1, 2004 3:20 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Hey did you make the Deep River Blues song up?

# March 1, 2004 4:37 AM

Jason Mauss said:

Hey Carl, - just wanted to let you know that I tried downloading the mp3 (twice) and both times WMP told me is was corrupt or something and couldn't play it.

# March 1, 2004 5:26 AM

Jason Mauss said:

woops - nevermind...was a problem with my laptop. *<[:-o

# March 1, 2004 5:29 AM

M Kenyon said:

Yes, I believe the in process thing applies, but I am going to test that against the tweak ui too. Thanks Austin. How anoying to be waithing for one website to load I try to enter data into another web form, only to have some of my test fail to get entered. I multitask immensly. I don't know where I would be without dual monitors, but the jumping around when I do not command it! Treason!

# March 1, 2004 9:28 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> Hey did you make the Deep River Blues song up?

Nope. That's an old one.

# March 1, 2004 11:10 AM

Eddy Recio said:

The acustic live version of Toy Boy is AWESOME!!! I love how it sounded live, You rocked!! Oh the show was good too! One of the last shows I thoroughly enjoyued was when You (Carl) were interviewed. Also, it's great to see Rory finding his place as the side kick|comedic interlude!

Again,

Keep on Rocking!!!

PS. On the google weirdos, perhaps doing a coutn down like Letterman top 10, with even a little music!

# March 1, 2004 3:42 PM

Damian said:

That is an incredible sounding accoustic guitar Carl. Really warm and full. What is it ?

(great show btw)

# March 1, 2004 11:42 PM

Carl Franklin said:

That is a 1993 Taylor K-20 made out of Koa wood. It's schweet.

# March 1, 2004 11:47 PM

Damian said:

NICE!

I just googled it, that is a great looking guitar too. Don't see many Taylor's here in Australia.

# March 2, 2004 12:03 AM

-e said:

I'm not at all surprised. Travel is expensive, and a lot of people don't want the hassle. Plus, if I am in training, but also in the building, if there is a crisis, I can go fight the fire. Not that that is a good thing, but you mention corporate training, so I put on my PHB hat...

But seriously, training is a very mixed bag - some people make good trainers, so mediocre (myself, back when I played that game), and some just plain suck. From all of the material you have posted, and all of the audio available, it is clear that you are a decent trainer. So, if I am 1000 miles away, why shouldn't I be able to come to your class? But if there is a similar class in my town, then it comes down to convincing the accountants that its worth the extra $1000+ to travel to New London. Accountants and subjective criteria (ie. your class is better) don't always go together...

# March 2, 2004 8:29 AM

M Kenyon said:

You know I praise you for your informative training. I thought that the mentoring program was excellent! What a great way to train. (Sorry my boss is taking only half days with Dino tho.)

But now you're adding this! You're gonna need more bandwidth, but you've just extended your territory tremendously!

Keep up the good work!

# March 2, 2004 9:16 AM

Richard Soderberg said:

I've wished for this for years, to have the ability to have a second keyboard and mouse attached to the computer I'm training someone on. That way, instead of having to push them aside to show them some esoteric click-drag combination, I can just show them what it looks like when I do it, and then let them.

It'd also open up the world of single-computer, multi-player games a bit wider; with USB 2.0 and a Matrox 4-head video card, one could attach four monitors, four keyboards, and four mice, then pair each input device with a monitor -- creating a multi-player gaming environment comparable to the XBox.

Or you could bind one keyboard and mouse to an instance of Remote Desktop Client, while keeping the usual keyboard and mouse for the rest of the system. With RDC full-screen on monitor #2, I could see this being a strong feature for busy admins; telling a trainee "Could you handle the problem on screen #2 there? Here's the keyboard and mouse for it" and letting them try to solve the problem, while you can go on with your work on screen 1 -- or interrupt and show them something on screen 2.

I've been wishing for the ability of Windows and OS X to handle this for years; hopefully it's not too far away.

# March 2, 2004 6:08 PM

vbNullString said:

Hello, Carl.
I've been listening to your live guitar for Toy Boy. Man I'm in love with your music! As you mentioned in one of your .NET Rocks show, it's amazing to know how many programmers are actually musicians. I'm somewhat a musician and some of my colleagues as well. My brother-in-law works for the same company as mine and he plays guitar too. Music definitely has something to do with programming!

# March 3, 2004 12:44 AM

Dan K said:

Do you mail out 5 boxed lunches also? The session would not be complete with the grub, and maybe a few black and tans that the remote participant must consume after each day's session?

# March 3, 2004 11:35 AM

M Kenyon said:

D@#$!!! $#!^!!!! CRAP!!! I missed it!?!? CRAP!!! Sorry to use such language on your blog, but...

This ruins my day... sorry. You and PAT? Meeting Rory? Security? Whidbey?

No wonder yesterday was a lousy day here in the office.

I think I'm going to cry... literally.

# March 4, 2004 9:44 AM

Dan K said:

I thoroughly enjoyed dev days!!! The keynote, well, absolutely awesome! I was so moved by Toy Boy (after just hearing it in the car on my Archos on the drive in ), I almost had you autograph a body part that cannot possibly be mentioned here! I know he just flew in cross country and had a less than pleasurable train ride to Hartford, but Rory seemed a little off, understandably. I love his blog and DNR with him, so no biggie. The rest of the day was spent in the web track, really really cool stuff. Duane and Patrick deserve a hats off! The closing keynote rocked; coming to the SIG and seeing some of that made me think when I got home that it was all merely some alcohol induced dream, but you set me straight. The booty bag was blah. Of course Whidbey bits are great, but the rest was so-so. They throw better stuff at you at free events (MSDN 1/2 day things and ASP.NET roadshow) I thought they would knock our socks off for $75 or whatever it was.
For those who didn't go, get thee to Boston!!! (March 16th) Rory, sorry, hope you are feeling better, Carl, you Rocks!

# March 4, 2004 10:04 AM

Strafe said:

*Sigh* Here in Detroit all we got were a bunch of people reading off of slides and coding like it was the first time they've seen it. I was literally bored to tears - no really, my left eye kept tearing up for no other apparent reason. I left after the second smart client presentation, figured I'd get as much out of the DevDays DVD.

# March 4, 2004 12:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Bummer!

# March 4, 2004 12:25 PM

MartinJ said:

I was at the Detroit one also. It sounded more like it should have been for people that never used the framework or Visual Studio. I didn't walk away with a whole lot of new information. Maybe I'll change my mind after going through the "other" track (the darling child: ASP.Net).

# March 4, 2004 6:25 PM

TomB said:

I was going to go to Detroit. Sounds like it's a good thing I didn't

Carl, I was wondering. Your link to dev days shows a quote from Scott Hanselman with a picture. I guess that Lasik surgery was pretty comprehensive ;)

# March 5, 2004 12:27 PM

Strafe said:

Were you having server issues again? Last weeks came thru great with no stuttering at al. This week all I could get was buffering, then it would play for a second, then rebuffer, etc. It could very well be on this end but I thought you had mentioned before that you were having trouble with this...

# March 5, 2004 2:09 PM

Mark Freedman said:

That's a relief! I'm new to this blogging world, but in my short experience with it, that topic turned into the most insane thread I've seen. I was hoping it was just you and Rory joking around -- I know you guys have a sick sense of humor, but it seemed to get a bit nasty there. There'd be a hell of a lot of bleeping going on if that was on .NET Rocks...

Pretty damn controversial topic on his blog...I've got to finish reading it...

# March 5, 2004 8:16 PM

TrackBack said:

You've been Taken Out. Thanks for the Good Post!

# March 5, 2004 11:46 PM

Dave Verwer said:

OEM Apple iPod?

"Apple says, .NET Rocks!"

On second thoughts...

# March 8, 2004 4:23 AM

Alex Kazovic said:

For some reason in this weeks show the volume keeps going in and out. It's a reall struggle to listen to it.

# March 8, 2004 5:29 AM

a said:

Just send them a few cd's with the content on them, or a DVD if the customer prefers. They can load the content themselves. Yes, it is a slight hassle...

# March 8, 2004 7:19 AM

a said:

is that blog spam from the "Enjoy Every Sandwich" link above?

# March 8, 2004 7:21 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Does anyone else have this problem?

# March 8, 2004 8:36 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Nope. He has a link to us.

# March 8, 2004 8:38 AM

b said:

You've got to be kidding me...

# March 8, 2004 9:16 AM

Carl Franklin said:

The whole idea is to make it easy for people. Sending CDs and/or DVDs is not an option.

# March 8, 2004 10:10 AM

NJ John said:

Great show, Carl! Learned some neat tricks from CP (such as ?myDataSet.GetXml() in the command window).

Hey, you guys should consider making "Tips and Tricks" a regular feature, geared each week towards your guest's area of expertise.

The volume was fine on my end, however I still can't get Rory's "Oooooo oooooo!" out of my head. Damn him. Speaking of Rory: No, I'm not from "da Bronx". But I got yer Dot Net Rocks right here! ;->

Keep up the great work, dudes.

-John

# March 8, 2004 10:14 AM

James Avery said:

IPOD! If HP can do it why can't you guys. :)

(Apple does offer free inscriptions on the back, and you could probably get a bulk deal)

-James

# March 8, 2004 11:19 AM

vbNullString said:

Rory is right about the object you want to store in session in different machine should be serializable. No big deal object should be serializable, right? Just a matter of adding <Serializable> attribute!

# March 8, 2004 4:24 PM

Brian Desmond said:

Option B is to get a toned down device which simply only plays .net rocks shows which are downloaded/sync'ed through some web service type interface. Obviously, teh device would need to be able to store a decent amount of the things.

Personally, I wouldn't buy one (fully equipped or limited) - everybody listening to your show is a computer geek already (I'd assume), which means they're most likely quite competent at transferring an MP3 from HTTP/CD to their MP3 player. On the CD thing, you could actually send CDs & be successful with the 56K crowd - every music program has a little rip button, if they don't have the bandwidth, I think the $9.95 for a CD, or $X/month for a subscription solution here would be pretty straight forward & convenient, as the 56K guys aren't going to benefit from the device come a new show.

# March 8, 2004 11:52 PM

ihkhj said:

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# March 9, 2004 2:14 AM

NJ John said:

"The whole idea is to make it easy for people."

With all due respect Carl, you can't get much easier than downloading the MP3's from your website. You're a victim of your own success!

That said, I get the idea... you want to offer the peeps a nice tchotchke that will be useful and support the show. I can dig that.

if(MP3player.PriceIsRight && peep.IsLookingForAnMP3player)
{
sale = true;
}

Here are some links to check out:

http://www.directconnectionsus.com/mp3player_products.html

http://www.mashington.com/pt_prod_menu_mp3.htm

# March 9, 2004 12:17 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 9, 2004 2:00 PM

Rory said:

vbNullString -

"No big deal object should be serializable, right? Just a matter of adding <Serializable> attribute!"

The consideration is the performance hit from having to serialize/deserialize objects as you stuff them into and bring them out of session state :)

# March 9, 2004 2:10 PM

Ben Zamora said:

I also had the audio problems, the audio would drop off for a moment here and there. Overall the audio quality was good. Thanks for all of the hard work.

# March 9, 2004 2:11 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Umm... Do they have regional directors in Australia?

# March 10, 2004 2:52 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Getting Apple as an OEM would get Apple out into the .NET community.

# March 10, 2004 2:54 AM

GuyIncognito said:

Since you are a weekly show they would always be out of date though.

I think your better off sending a cd/dvd and letting the listener choose his/her listening device.

BTW, thanks for splitting the shows into two parts. It makes it easier to burn each hour to CD so that I can listen in my car while driving to work.

# March 10, 2004 9:32 AM

GuyIncgonito said:

I know you use your own music for the intro, but I think it would be a gas to use: Mr Velcro Fastener's - "Electric Appliances"

"I'll be your computer, if you be a good user..."

# March 10, 2004 9:43 AM

NJ John said:

"BTW, thanks for splitting the shows into two parts. It makes it easier to burn each hour to CD so that I can listen in my car while driving to work. "

Agreed! Same here! Thanks, Carl.

# March 10, 2004 11:56 AM

Rory said:

Guy -

"Since you are a weekly show they would always be out of date though."

They aren't *really* out of date, though - unlike a news program where the information is time-sensitive, the first .NET Rocks show is still just as relevant as the last (except, of course, for announcements about conferences and whatever).

The info's still good, that is...

# March 10, 2004 1:03 PM

wasim said:

i want use the mce tryle version frist and after then buy thanq

# March 10, 2004 6:13 PM

Guy Incognito said:

What I meant was that because a new one comes out every week, it would be impossible to distribute an up to date collection on the player's hard drive. Unless you are talking about opening the packaging and copying over the current collection at the date the player was ordered? I think if someone is interested in listening to a *bunch* of past shows (which I agree -- most of the information has a long shelf life) ordering a cd or dvd set seems like the best option.

BTW, I thought your tune on last weeks CP show was pretty good. It sounded a bit like REM or U2, although I had no idea what the lyrics were. I did find the moaning (screaming?) hook to be quite catchy!

# March 10, 2004 6:48 PM

vbNullString said:

Rory, it's me vbNullString again.

"The consideration is the performance hit from having to serialize/deserialize objects"

Yes, you're absolutely right about it. Serialization and deserialization is always a hit.

This reminds me of one case I experienced with my work.

My company has been developing ASP .NET application for clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies. The development experience has been really great and we are beating our competitors in terms of functionalities and performance. But one day, performance was degraded so much because of ViewState. Well, thanks to Dino and thanks to Carl having coverted his code to use Session as ViewState, the performance hit was much less! It was such a great experience for us because all I did was to literally copy and pasted the code I got from Carl's website.

My conclusion:
Saving everything in session WILL degrade the performance for sure. But depending on the network and power of backend computer, dumping ViewState into Session can save the performance to a great degree.

# March 11, 2004 5:15 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I keep missing this show in its Live format lol. And for these reasons:
1. I come from Australia
2. This is what happens
Week 1
Already for the show man can't wait!!!
DOWN TIME!!!
Week 2
I have to go to Melbourne looking for a house
Week 3
Grr!!! Slept in!
Week 4
Grr have to go out and get clothes!!!

# March 12, 2004 8:08 PM

Gong said:

I think that will change the whole paradigm of GUI, not only on windows. Object focus will not be monopolized, all api rewriten and concepts revised. Who dare the investment? But this payment will be worthwhile. Think of turn/grap/touch actions can be interpreted in real time rather than having to choosing from a submenu, thing of the glove in minority report cruise wears. True VR interactivity will be made possible then.

# March 12, 2004 8:31 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I think it can be done without compromising the current architecture. The mouse is the mouse. We'd have to have multiple asynchronous input controllers that don't move the mouse, but exist independently of the mouse and cursor.

# March 12, 2004 8:36 PM

crazy eric said:

What would be more useful is a searchable index of transcripts of the technical content of each show. I usually remember that i heard something on dnr but am not sure which show and where in the show it is. Output of a voice recognition program may be a start to at least get keywords for searching.

# March 12, 2004 9:55 PM

crazy eric said:

What would be more useful is a searchable index of transcripts of the technical content of each show. I usually remember that i heard something on dnr but am not sure which show and where in the show it is. Output of a voice recognition program may be a start to at least get keywords for searching.

# March 12, 2004 9:56 PM

Roberto J. Dohnert said:

HP has rebranded and licensed the iPod and iTunes from Apple and they do not support WMA, it supports MP3 and AAC. I think that the iRiver would perhaps be your best bet.

# March 14, 2004 12:23 AM

M Kenyon said:

Thanks for the show. It was a blast. Had fun chatting with the folks in the chat room.

BTW, just got my coffee mug today! Thanks! (Check my blog on it.)

# March 15, 2004 10:19 AM

Josh Baltzell said:

I just finished watching the videos as part of my patented "Monday morning strive to complete no real work training regalia" (I’m still working on the title since the acronym for that would be MMSCNRWTR (Which I now notice is kind of close to being pronounceable as “Mmmmm… Screen Writer.” Weird.)

I really enjoyed the movies. As a developer with no formal programming education I think I skipped a lot of important basics as I learned things just for the ability to do something I needed done then and there. This kind of stuff is the mortar to my bricks, so please keep it coming. Why don’t you do some DVD training like the guys at DV Press? I got work to order some for our team even though I have no idea if they are any good or not. At $35 a rattle it’s easy to justify the expense to an employer.

# March 15, 2004 10:47 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks, Josh!

>> Why don’t you do some DVD training like the guys at DV Press <<

I much prefer doing them on the web. Nothing to manufacture and it's accessible from everywhere.

# March 15, 2004 10:49 AM

Josh Baltzell said:

For presenting the demos I'm sure the web is a better medium (albeit slightly less accesible)since DVDs have a limited resolution and all. This video sounded and looked great btw. I will have to look in to the software you used for making custom training sessions for customers.

# March 15, 2004 10:59 AM

Catatonic said:

One problem, my monitor is 1024x768, so I have to scroll around your video to see the whole thing. Otherwise fantastic!

# March 15, 2004 12:50 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Nah, just press F11 to watch it full-screen!

# March 15, 2004 12:55 PM

Joshua Hayworth said:

So...

Why aren't you guys charging for this stuff! AppDev makes $1500 +/- selling their interactive CD's.

Just curious,

Joshua

# March 15, 2004 2:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We do plan to charge for it. Think of this as a trial period! <g>

# March 15, 2004 2:31 PM

Catatonic said:

With the F11 trick, I still have to scroll down a bit to find the pause/rewind controls at the bottom. Then the Windows taskbar pops up and gets in the way if the mouse cursor gets too close to the bottom of the screen.

I can solve the problem by bumping up my resolution a bit but I wonder if the video would still look ok if you just sized it to fit the browser. That would also help people running 1600x1200 who want it to fill the screen.

# March 15, 2004 3:03 PM

Josh Baltzell said:

The only other thing I can think of for making it easily viewable is to publish the project from Flash as an exe to distribute. YOu can view those presentations full screen on any PC. You can do the same with a standard SWF, but I don't know if you need to have the full version of Flash installed to get that cool player or not.

Problem is that if it did scale to screen size it will probably look blurry on the straight lines here and there when it has to scale up to a resolution higher than it was intended for.

You can give it a try tho if you are actually using Flash to publish the project. Go to File -- Publish Settings and then check the box for "Windows Projector" befor publishing the project. I use that for when out sales people go on the road and want our presentation on their laptop full screen.

# March 15, 2004 3:13 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I wonder if the video would still look ok if you just sized it to fit the browser <

No, it doesn't look as good, and I can't size it to the browser as flash. I could, however, make the AVIs available. They require the Camtasia codec.

And I'm not using Flash to publish. The Camtasia Producer does that. I think the best thing is to make the AVI files available. It doesn't look THAT bad at lower sizes, and it's about twice to three times as big as the flash version

# March 15, 2004 3:18 PM

Catatonic said:

Thanks for your quick answers! I would take AVI files if I had the choice. One nice benefit is you can burn them to DVD's without too much effort. I think the big fonts you used would still be readable on a TV.

# March 15, 2004 3:36 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 15, 2004 5:00 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 15, 2004 5:01 PM

Abdu said:

Give your listeners some credit! I am pretty sure they can transfer MP3 files to their MP3 players. Have you seen any preloaded MP3 players in the stores and whoever buys them keeps listening to the same stuff all the time?

Don't you think developers who use VS are technically inclined to be able to load MP3 players on their own.

Personally I don't think it's a good idea. How many times your listeners will be listening to your shows? You will not get a good OEM unless you buy an sell quite a few of them.

I think you're too optimisic :)

Abdu

# March 16, 2004 12:20 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Give your listeners some credit! I am pretty sure they can transfer MP3 files to their MP3 players. <

Huh? This isn't a talent contest! Everyone knows developers CAN download mp3s. The question is whether they WANT to download them all. Just because I CAN write in C++ does that mean I WANT to?

We've got 55 shows now dude. If you want to download gigs and gigs of files, be my guest. I'm trying to make it EASY for people.

Methinks perhaps YOU are the one with the dirty mind about me and my listeners.

# March 16, 2004 2:31 PM

vbNullString said:

I love your video. I don't mind subscribing to this kind of video if you guys make it available. There are things I learned. Keep it up!

# March 17, 2004 12:55 AM

ZeRoRuNTiMe said:

If no vender has an OEM program, maybe some cool .Net Rocks! stickers can be made up so I can rebrand the iRiver. :)

# March 17, 2004 2:07 AM

Marshall Brooke said:

Hey Carl,

This may also be of interest to those who did'nt catch it, it's a full Crypto suite.

http://weblogs.asp.net/hernandl/archive/2004/03/08/85884.aspx

Also, whilst we're on the topic, I'm surprised I don't here more mention of the SSL TCP Library from Mentalis http://www.mentalis.org/soft/projects/seclib/. It's completely free and enables seamless SSL socket level transmission. It's written in C#, but since it has no GPL, a man of your VB stature may have a sudden late night desire to re-write it in VB. Look forward to the next show, only I can't hear it live as I'm in the UK and my wife has effectively banned computer use at night.

# March 18, 2004 4:42 AM

Don Kiely said:

There has also been wrappers in both VB.NET and C# for a long time on GotDotNet. Go to www.gotdotnet.com and search for DPAPI in the user samples. Pretty nice, and seem to be functionally similar to the Vertigo sammples.

Look for an article on DPAPI in an upcoming issue Advisor's VB.NET/Access magazine.

# March 18, 2004 2:05 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Awesome. Thanks, Don.

# March 18, 2004 2:14 PM

Dana McNeil said:

Hey Carl,

Really liked the new video. I'm with Josh in thatI feel like theres foundation stuff that I just never really got. The format of having you and Rory together really makes it more entertaining, and hence, I think, more watchable and I retain more. The demos I've seen of dvpress was great in terms of content, but not nearly as interesting. I would definately be interested in subscribing to something like that as long as it is affordable.

I really liked the flash output, so if you are taking votes, keep it that way!

# March 18, 2004 2:28 PM

Shannon J Hager said:

Can someone please try to get Don Box to crash this show?!??!

# March 18, 2004 10:08 PM

TrackBack said:

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# March 18, 2004 11:06 PM

Roberto J. Dohnert said:

Carl, say John Box and Dan Fox 12 times really fast.

# March 19, 2004 12:03 AM

Vrye Bredo said:

Something good

a) drop the mp3 support unless it's quality is proper
b) the announcers voice 'crackles' or something, get her a proper mike or whatever, now it hurts so much that i have to skip through

# March 19, 2004 3:52 AM

Jason Nadal said:

Interesting thing is that it looks like there's a DPAPI provider made for you in the machine.config in whidbey... very cool...

# March 19, 2004 10:28 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Indeed.

I remember going to Sea Swirl (a small take-out place with only walk-up windows and picnic tables) with my brother when I was probably 12. It was summertime, and we biked to Williams Beach for some swimming fun. We wanted to get an ice cream cone at Sea Swirl and only had pocket change. We were like 25c short and the guy not only gave us the cones, but I remember being impressed that he filled them to the very bottom!

Great clams at Sea Swirl, too. Supposedly the best in New England according to some magazine.

# March 26, 2004 10:20 AM

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# March 27, 2004 12:59 AM

Sean said:

Now if I only had a room big enough in the apartment to fit a screen like that, I'd be set! :)

# March 27, 2004 4:03 AM

Andrew said:

There aren't too many things I like about the X Windows system, but the ability to set the set the window focus to always follow the mouse pointer is excellent. This would, I think, mostly solve your problem. But the reason why I like it is that it reduces the time I have to spend on the mouse (by saving me a click). I find it so much more efficient to express something by entering text than by mouse movement and button clicks. But then I grew up with CPM, MSDOS and UNIX so maybe I'm just another luddite.

# March 28, 2004 12:17 AM

Carl Franklin said:

That sounds like a great feature. Would it keep another program from popping up and hogging focus, though? Gee, I really hope Microsoft is listening. :-)

# March 28, 2004 12:34 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Yeah it is a massive screen Sean!

# March 29, 2004 2:10 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I forgot to mention that Chris Pels (president of the .NET User Group of Greater Boston) took these pics. Thanks, Chris.

# March 29, 2004 2:40 AM

TrackBack said:

# March 29, 2004 8:07 PM

Chris A. said:

Oh what a shame Carl, I guess no Linux vulnerability of the week. Carl, Did you see how Microsoft got busted lying on its own case studies. Here goes the Link in case you are interested:

http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/strikeout/

# March 29, 2004 8:43 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

When on earth is Dev Days coming to Australia?

# March 30, 2004 2:02 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Cmon guys stop this Linux VS Windows thing. There both GREAT operating systems!

# March 30, 2004 2:13 AM

TomB said:

Just finished listening (couldn't do it live this week)

Great Show.

# March 30, 2004 1:27 PM

Eddy R said:

Hey,

Linux sucks, it has potential but for right now, it stinks!

It is a great academic achievement no one denies that!
And anyone reading Windows Blog that are Linux Zealots, go hang out with your open source buddies somewhere else! And while you're at it figure out why what you code is free, is it becuase it SUCKS??? Have some self value!

# March 30, 2004 1:49 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

The problem is we HAVE to learn a little bit of Linux because Universities are using Linux as well!

# March 31, 2004 5:12 AM

NJ John said:

Eddy: "And while you're at it figure out why what you code is free, is it becuase it SUCKS???"

While it's true that 99.9% of OSS sucks donkey ass, there are some shining examples out there - like anything from the Apache group (Apache, Tomcat, etc.), and Eclipse for example.

But yeah, much of it is complete crap. You get what you pay for.

# March 31, 2004 6:32 AM

Eddy R said:

Honestly, I would probably use anything that makes sense, or is a good product in general. Take the Apple Mac for example, while many things have been written on how superior it was to windows. It never made sense to businesses if they were unabel to run their accounting software. You guys get the point. My comments were really intended to annoy a certain blogger who still lives inside the Matrix.

# March 31, 2004 1:24 PM

NJ John said:

Been meaning to ask, Carl - who plays keys on "Toy Boy"? Good stuff.

# March 31, 2004 4:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

That'd be Jay. He's a monster piano player

# March 31, 2004 4:26 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Jay's site: http://jay.franklins.net

# March 31, 2004 4:28 PM

Ben Lowery said:

Hi Carl,
Just noticed that the MP3s that you make available on the web site for download are in Stero. You might be able to save some size on those puppies by encoding then as mono instead of stereo. Worth a shot maybe... :)

# March 31, 2004 5:05 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Hey ben,

We'd rather produce the show in Stereo.

# March 31, 2004 5:13 PM

Remo Ziegler said:

For those of you writing their own programs. Check out this website:
http://cpnmouse.sourceforge.net/install.html

Driver plus small demo application showing the principle of having multiple input devices and tracking them separately.

Have fun!

# April 1, 2004 2:29 AM

Paul Sturgill said:

As a Franklins Brothers listener for about 3.5 years, I can say, it is definitely worth the 10 bucks.

I am waiting for the next album... when is that coming?

# April 1, 2004 11:28 PM

FRED FLINSTONE said:

U R COOL MAN! YEAH

# April 5, 2004 12:02 AM

Johnny (Dothan) said:

Have you any experience with Sonar 3.0. I've been on the cusp of spending about a grand on an Ardvark 24/96 and upgrading the ProAudio 9.0 that comes with it to Sonar. Had my eye on a pair of Audio-Technica Pro 37R mikes to go with it.

# April 5, 2004 5:33 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Gah my damn clocks wrong! Oh no!

# April 5, 2004 7:12 PM

M Kenyon said:

Loving the show. Listening right now. I envision to kids taking their parents car for a joy-ride, swerving back and forth across the rode, taking out a couple of mailboxes.

But even still, the content was great. Rory was his bright, insightful self, and Chris brings a load of knowledge to the table. And, as all DotNetRocks, plenty of sarcasm.

Keep it up.

# April 6, 2004 11:23 AM

Jamies D. Beine said:

Congrats, from a fan. Subscribed!

# April 6, 2004 9:58 PM

Sean Cull said:

No, thank you, Carl :) You just keep recording them and I'll keep downloading them.

# April 7, 2004 1:02 AM

Josh Baltzell said:

That's fantastic. Congrats.

# April 7, 2004 9:29 AM

Jim Cheseborough said:

Congrats and keep up the good work.

I can't WAIT to see some more of those "2AM" videos you and Rory make. Please add reminders of new videos to us people on your mailing lists.

Thanks!
Jim Cheseborough

# April 7, 2004 3:38 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

No problem. :P!

# April 8, 2004 1:13 AM

GuyIncognito said:

Good show.. great topic. My only complaint is that I couldn't understand a word the guest was saying because of his accent and because he wasn't in the studio. Rory did a great job of summarizing what the guest said so I didn't miss much.

IMHO... Rory did an awesome job as host!

# April 8, 2004 10:31 AM

Derek Price said:

No ToyBoy Unplugged?

# April 9, 2004 9:13 AM

Carl Franklin said:

alas.. no. These songs are better!

# April 9, 2004 9:20 AM

prisilia said:

did the socket manage to detect drop connection which is provoke by network cable unplug at remote client?

# April 9, 2004 11:30 AM

Sahil Malik said:

I like that !!! The puzzle had me muzzled for a while.

Carl, can you tell me of a GOOD "Tablet PC" development book?

# April 9, 2004 12:22 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 9, 2004 2:29 PM

Bob Reselman said:

Carl, thanks for having me on the show!

You got me to thinking, I wish during the show we could have continued the A/Aflat discussion. You hit on a very important topic, how does the team/band work through a fundamental problem, a team member playing in another key/coding in another place? Are the notes of the player playing in A the wrong notes? Or are all others playing in A flat in the wrong place? How does one determine the proper key for the tune, or is the A flat player trying to lure the others to new ground? Or is he simply misinformed? Does the group chastise and shame him/her. Does the group make an effort to discover the minority player’s thinking. Or is it so close to ship/performance time, that compliance to the thinking and direction of the majority is more important than synthesizing the thinking of the minority member into the behavior of the group overall?

To my thinking, keeping the music/code cool and meaningful while being able to accommodate and learn from mistakes/unexpected behavior is the sign of well adjusted, creative musicians/coders.

I do remember my sax teacher, Duncan Martin telling me not to worry about playing wrong notes. The trick he said is having the ability to turn the wrong note into the right notes.

Then once, I asked Leroy Jenkins of the avante garde jazz group, the Revolutionary Ensemble, if he ever played any wrong notes. The Ensembles music was way out there. He looked at me and said, “Boy, there are no wrong notes!” I was a young college student at the time. Leroy was in his mid-life by then. I think that he was on to something worth thinking about.

Again, thanks for having me on the show. You guys are doing important work! It was a privilege to be part of it for a few hours.

# April 10, 2004 2:47 PM

Catatonic said:

No wrong notes? You should hear my neighbour's kids learning to play the recorder.

# April 10, 2004 9:53 PM

Scott Allen said:

(Continuing the analogy) - there may be no wrong notes - but if the rhythm section is out of wack the entire band is pooched. Are PMs the rhythm section?

# April 10, 2004 10:57 PM

Bob Reselman said:

To my thinking wrong notes are a matter of context. An interesting question might be, How does one or a group create context, musical and otherwise?

Interesting note (not pun intended): in the phrase, "Coders playing in diffrerent keys", there is a misspelled word, a clear violation of syntax, and yet the semantics of the phrase is marginally affected, if at all.

# April 10, 2004 11:12 PM

mnrp said:

"there is a misspelled word, a clear violation of syntax, and yet the semantics of the phrase is marginally affected, if at all"

Exactly. Music isn't about notes it's about expression. Granted, it's much more difficult to "express" something with a tool that you know little about, you can't use very well, or severely limits what you can do with it. But it's far from impossible. I suspect the same is true for coding (except I suppose that if you write ++i when you meant i++, you could have a few problems getting your message out).

# April 11, 2004 2:28 AM

Pete Beech said:

So what determines what the right key is? It would often be determined by the singer (if there is one), and their range. Which I suppose in the analogy, it means there's some restriction which imposes what the right range of keys/programming styles is. I'm not sure what a singer relates to in the analogy - the manager? the user?

Even if you have the range of keys that are going to work, some of them might be more or less difficult for some of the instruments. Like certain keys are easier on the sax or guitar, depending on your level of ability. So thats another constraint.

If the song is a cover, then it might be determined by the key it was originally recorded in (if you want to really get it to sound the same) - maybe the analogy for that is design patterns? Or sample code from MSDN or whatever? I don't know..

Have I beaten this analogy to death yet?

# April 11, 2004 5:31 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> So what determines what the right key is?

I would say it's the spec. The spec is the score. If you want to make a coherent piece of music, you write it out before you play it. If you want free-style (jazz, if you will) then you can design "on the fly" as you play - or code as the case may be.

I guess you could say good design makes good software just as a good score makes for a good piece of music. Good hardware and technical correctness makes for a good performance.

# April 11, 2004 8:44 AM

Jamies D. Beine said:

Music has as much to do with "science" as with creativity. There are "technical" musicians, and there are "naturals", then there are the "hacks". All three contribute to the persistent frequencies that bombard society.

To this end I bring only these minor points.

The really exceptional musicians will tell you - “A. technical understanding of music is paramount.”

I think that this is a beautiful discussion.

The CLR is like a conductor in a symphony. Responsible for sending messages back to the musicians, each playing there own instrument on which they have practiced and demonstrated proficiency.

To this end the CLR should make the proverbial key a non-issue. The truth is that each of us is different. We all have different preferences, emotions, and discipline.

Jamie

# April 11, 2004 10:02 AM

James D. Beine said:

One more thing, with respect to the comment by Scott Allen, it is unlikely that the rhythm section would be the PM’s. Everyone can recognize percussionists. It’s a well known fact - “They are the one’s following the musicians around”. (-;

# April 11, 2004 10:14 AM

TrackBack said:

# April 11, 2004 10:28 AM

Bob Reselman said:

Ah the role and importance of technique!

To quote Picasso:

"... at 15 I painted like Velazquez, and it took me 80 years to paint like a child..."

http://www.spanisharts.com/reinasofia/picasso.htm

BTW: To my thinking, the importance of musical key is relevant to a very small segment of the human musical experience, that of Western Tonal Music. That Western Music gets so much air play and attention maybe makes its concepts and precepts seem more valuable than they need to be. Still the internesting question for me is context: How does one create a musical context and then how do others conform to it?

And then there is the question of pleasing the audience. I wonder if the role of artistic expression is to please the audience, in this case the musical listener. If this is true, and we were to measure greatest by the overall numbers of listeners at any given moment, then I think that Brittany Spears greatest would completely overshadow that of Clara Schumann.

As my friend and dance teacher Kathleen Hurley taught me, "Sometimes Modern Dance just ain't that pretty."

# April 11, 2004 12:12 PM

Pete Beech said:

If most guys play in A, and one guy is in A flat, its going to sound wrong - at least in western tonal music.

So the context is a cultural thing, which is dictated to by the musical experience of the audience and musicians. If westerners went to listen to some hardcore Indian classical music, they would think its wrong based on the context they know.

Maybe, in the analogy, the context is the software programming culture - like if you were raised on Petzold, or you're a Microsoft C++ and MFC person, or you're into C# and design patterns and software engineering, or an iterative design process, or no design and just hacking, or upfront design, etc, etc. Theres a whole culture that has built up around each of these things, which has rules bigger than the actual constraints of the particular language/design context.

To each person in one of the cultures, the other ideas might seem as alien as the indian music to a westerner - at first sight. But they also might appreciate stuff from it, and meld it into their cultural context, like say the Beatles did with Indian music. (although they really bent the indian context to the western musical context, they still had elements and ideas from that culture - so much so that that probably sounded 'wrong' the first time people heard it)

# April 11, 2004 2:19 PM

Bob Reselman said:

Public Interface CognitiveFramework{
Expectation getExpectation(Context context, boolean useStandardRuleOfLogic){

}

Reaction getReaction(Context context, Event event, boolean useStandardRuleOfLogic){

}

Context getContext(Context OldContext, Event NewEvent, boolean useStandardRuleOfLogic{

}

Vector getLogicRules(){

}
}

# April 11, 2004 3:48 PM

Josh Baltzell said:

I know you already know that I enjoyed the show, but I wanted to drop you a note here. If you are just some developer reading this in 2 years please download the show and listen to it. It will still be relevent and thought provoking. Developers need some big picture now and then.

# April 11, 2004 10:20 PM

M Kenyon said:

Listening to this show made me think of a book I read:
'During the thousands of years of mankind’s history, man’s search for God has led down many pathways. The result has been the enormous diversity of religious expression found worldwide—from the endless variety of Hinduism to the monotheism of Judaism, Islam, and Christendom and to the Oriental philosophies of Shinto, Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism. In other vast regions, mankind has turned to animism, magic, spiritism, and shamanism. Has this search for God been successful?'

Religion can be viewed as a set of beliefs that strive to structure the world around us in a way we can understand. Basically, the try to answer the 'Why' humans ask.

From what you've said of this book, and the pieces you posted earlier (which I read enthusiastically) it could be said that many coders try to structure their reality or perception through their code. Or at the very least they try to take some control in a world that seems outside of their control.

Could coding be a new religion?

# April 12, 2004 11:30 AM

Jay Franklin said:

My site is grossly outdated.. sorry :(
We are currently recording for the new cd. No promises but hopefully it will be out by the end of next year.

# April 13, 2004 10:23 AM

Jesus said:

I need a pictures of the rock, for my science project

# April 13, 2004 3:35 PM

Jesus said:

Chupa verga guey

# April 13, 2004 3:36 PM

Aaron said:

Google weirdos.

Guys, does anyone else thinks it's getting tiring ?

Do you realise that you don't need to actually use google to set the google referrer ? Do you think every google query points to your site ?

Using Microsoft ACT, or wget, or if you are really keen, write it in dotnet, you can set the referer as part of a http request. So i can easily make it the referer appear to be http://www.google.com/search?q=weirdos+suck with out using google at all.

Cheers

Aaron

# April 14, 2004 12:00 AM

James Avery said:

Wow, very interesting idea. Personally I think Saturday is a busy day for most people, whether they are going to kids sports, doing yard work, etc... I think it would be hard to get people to sit down and listen. (Since you are starting with the internet, most people will have to be at there computer)

I think Sunday might be better, maybe in the late afternoon. That is usually a relaxing time for people. (I guess some people might have problem with people saying fuck on Sunday, but not me)

-James

# April 14, 2004 12:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

LOL - Sunday is also a great possibility.

# April 14, 2004 12:51 PM

Scott Galloway said:

Aemember 'during the day' only refers to your particular colony - this generally equates to 'late in the evening' or 'middle of the night' for most of the rest of the planet. I'm probably a bad person to ask - I listen to .NET rocks despite the interstitial babble not because of it...sorry!

# April 14, 2004 12:53 PM

Brian said:

Will this be in place of the .NET Rocks show? Or are you going to do this also?

# April 14, 2004 12:55 PM

Rory said:

"Guys, does anyone else thinks it's getting tiring?"

If that's really the dominant perception, then I'd be happy to whack it. The show's for you guys, so if you don't like it, then I have no problem changing.

We *do*, however, get fan mail that compliments the segment, so it's tough to know what the general feeling is.

I'd be interested to hear from other people on this. Maybe I'll post about it.

"Do you think every google query points to your site?"

Oh, lord, yes. I'm a fucking retard, so I naturally assume that every google query in the universe winds up at neopoleon.com.

Thanks for shattering my closely held world view. I can't believe I'm not at the center of it anymore. This is going to take some getting used to.

This must be kind of how Ptolemy's ghost felt when Copernicus stepped his bad ass onto the scene.

Consider me corrected, my friend. Consider me *corrected*...

"Do you realise that you don't need to actually use google to set the google referrer?"

It's fine to be critical, but you don't have to assume that we're total jack-asses.

I'm perfectly aware of the fact. However, I have some serious doubts that many people are sitting around doing this. *You* might be sending along a few nasty pings, but I think most other people have better things to be doing.

Like picking their noses. Or picking their friends' noses.

Anything but petty HTTP terrorism. You'd have to be a special breed of human [cough, Unabomber, cough] to be into weird shit like that.

# April 14, 2004 12:55 PM

Bill Vaughn said:

Hummm. Finding a time is tough. I don't have much "free" time (sadly) but I would probably listen occasionally during the day (my time).

# April 14, 2004 12:58 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We will keep doing .NET Rocks! until a judge orders us to stop! <g>

# April 14, 2004 12:59 PM

Scott Galloway said:

Umm...may have been a little harsh..I mean the doscussion in between of course :-)

# April 14, 2004 1:02 PM

kip said:

Well I guess that if you are smoking crack, then midnight would be a pretty good time!

I know that I very rarely am able to listen to the live .Net Rocks show because I'm always busy at work on friday, so weekends sounds good.

Also any idea of your demographics? In other words structuring the show for a worldwide audience makes sense in the Carl & Rory Take Over the World schema, but if most of your listeners are US East Coast, and there's one guy in Vienna who calls and bitches about the time, well then.....

# April 14, 2004 1:03 PM

Chris Kinsman said:

If it is carried on other than the internet then that really affects the time. If XM picked it up I would prefer to see it in an evening drive slot. i.e. between 4 and 7PST. That is my locale centric view. From that standpoint I also prefer Saturday morning.

In any case if it is Internet only I will probably end up burning it to CD and listening on the evening drive.

# April 14, 2004 1:05 PM

Pete Beech said:

I'd vote for Sunday too - if only because I'm in Europe, and if it was Saturday afternoon for you, it'd be Saturday night for us.

I hope this doesn't mean the end of .NET rocks, or less emphasis on that, because I wouldn't be able to stand the withdrawl symptoms.

Also, really like the idea about showcasing musicians - it'd be great if there was a feature or even a slot about musicians and technology. I'm a musician myself, and would love to submit some of my stuff.

# April 14, 2004 1:09 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I hope this doesn't mean the end of .NET rocks <

OK, I'll say it again.

<BIG>

.NET Rocks! is not going away!!!

</BIG>

# April 14, 2004 1:11 PM

Pete Beech said:

sorry, didn't refresh enough, so missed your comment about not stopping .NET Rocks! Phew..

# April 14, 2004 1:12 PM

Carl Franklin said:

lol.. no prob.

# April 14, 2004 1:13 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I just had a very strange idea: Instantaneous transcription.

So, you're online. You can't listen, but you can read. Somone in the studio transcribes the show in real-time, and it becomes a permanent document available online.

Ah the things we could do with money... :-)

# April 14, 2004 1:25 PM

Dana McNeil said:

Carl,

I'm glad you don't want to be oprah. ;-)

I think the biggest obstacle might be finding a niche' that is within your expertise... Obviously that's one of the reasons .net rocks is so great, because you and rory know the in's and outs of it, and therefore can guide the show along. If you end up having a show that has conent you just find interesting, then it becomes more "journalistic", and I think it's a really different sort of show then what makes .net rocks great.

As far as a time, imho, I can't listen to a live feed at work during the day, and on my time off I'm too busy to sit down for an hour or two, so I get my .net rocks fix through the downloads. The interactive idea is great though, and maybe others might be more inclined to participate.

Keep up the great work, and good luck!

# April 14, 2004 1:39 PM

Dave Balzer said:

I would love to see a show like this take off. I'm a huge fan of dotNetRocks.

Weekends are big family time for me and probably imposible for me to listen live. Would you archive these shows for download as you do with dotNetRocks? This would probably be a must for me.

# April 14, 2004 1:41 PM

M Kenyon said:

>Instantaneous transcription
Voice recognition software, taking multiple inputs, can then tag the appropriate input with the appropriate ID.

So does that mean we'd get more tech content on DNR?

Also, where can I get some more of Rory's music.

# April 14, 2004 1:54 PM

Addy Santo said:

If this is internet based, I would expect a large portion of your audience to listen to on-demand streaming. Is .NET Rocks even available live? I follow it, but on my schedule...

And I think this is a great idea, and if anyone can make it come to life- you are the guys. Save this thread so you can come back in 10 years when you r a big star and remember how it started :)

# April 14, 2004 2:09 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Well, I don't think a host needs expertise in order to make a show work - take .NET Rocks! for example <g>

No, seriously, some of my heros include Michael Feldman, who does Whaddya Know. He's intelligent, and although he isn't an expert on his guests' topics, he reads up and does his homework, and he lets the guest shine. That's what it's about, I think.

I think a good host actually knows how to play dumb and be curious, asking the questions that the listeners want to ask.

# April 14, 2004 2:30 PM

Bob Reselman said:

Whatever you do, don't smoke crack.

It's not good for you and eventually leads to a life of crime and asocial irresponsiblity.

And, now as I think about it, don't run for national office either.

# April 14, 2004 3:49 PM

C Shadle said:

OK, we got it, you're keeping Friday's .NET Rocks! (you'd better, we've got duct tape, need I say more????)

Like your idea, but considering your forward thinking asperations, why not have a M-F show?

One day would feature .NET Rocks, another could feature a particular industry technology, another philosopy for reader types, another science breakthroughs, etc. let you mind go wild....

and like the other gent, weekends are reserved for family, I wouldn't listen to live or archived but on M-F.

PS..too rural for DSL/Cable, I have Satellite. When do I get to see Carl & Rory on something like Tech TV?

# April 14, 2004 3:50 PM

Josh Pollard said:

I love dnr and would absolutely love something else from you guys! So I am totally in favor of another show. I agree that making it during the day time would be difficult. I can listen to dnr live for the most part, but anything more interactive than the webform to submit questions is beyond what I could do during the day. I would suggest a weekday evening (Monday-Thursday, people are busy on Friday and Saturday nights) or a Sunday evening.

Can't wait to hear it!

# April 14, 2004 4:09 PM

Jesse Ezell said:

I'd love to see another show. However, although interviewing some scientists and inventors might be interesting, I don't know if it is interesting enough that I would take time out of my day to listen. My knee jerk reaction is that I would probably listen one or two times and then decide I had better ways to spend my time.

It would be very cool to have a show along the lines of what Artima is doing. There are plenty of non-.NET specific guys (like Bjarne Stroustrup or Martin Fowler) that have great insight, but aren't completely .NET oriented, and there isn't really any place to hear their input on application architecture, etc.

As for times, I definately wouldn't listen to anything live on the weekend unless it was broadcasted on the radio and I was alone in the car driving somewhere.

# April 14, 2004 4:44 PM

Ian said:

Hey Carl,

I'm a huge fan, but I see a few danger signs lurking ahead.

The reason I'm a devoted .net rocks fan is because it TEACHES me things. In this vertical market you have very little competition. I listen to LEARN.

You guys are funny, but if I want to laugh I'll watch a chris rock dvd. Your music is cool, but if I want music I'll listen to eminem.

You guys are talented and have enough energy that you want to create more content, here is an idea: more videos like you did a few weeks ago. I like the videos I'm starting to see on channel 9. Another idea would be bunches of 5-10 minute audio/video searchable by keyword. For example if I'm having trouble with commandbuilder object, boom I'm listening to your talk with Bill Vaugn.

Good Luck!

Ian

# April 14, 2004 5:11 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> why not have a M-F show

Because I want a life. <g>

> Your music is cool, but if I want music I'll listen to eminem.

That's like saying If I want gourmet fare I'll go to Wendy's

> here is an idea: more videos like you did a few weeks ago

Why does everyone think we're going to stop being geeks if we do a show about anything but programming?

> It would be very cool to have a show along the lines of what Artima is doing...

*sigh*

# April 14, 2004 6:12 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> although interviewing some scientists and inventors might be interesting, I don't know if it is interesting enough that I would take time out of my day to listen

How about an interview with the team at NASA who wrote the code behind the Spirit Rover?

I think your expectations of "some scientists and inventors" might be a bit low.

Remember, there are non-programmer nerds in the world.

# April 14, 2004 6:15 PM

James D. Beine said:

Carl & Rory,

Hello, what about doing the shows live and scheduling them in an organized way like MS does Web Casts? Not at any specific interval. Take all the time you need to produce each show making each show the best it can be. Then, when you edit the shows content you could "time shift" the content (and adds) to give that episode longevity, being this show is geared at "thinkers", the goal would be to have "content", and that doesn't happen at "intervals".

Note: If this idea sucks just make it a good show and definitely hire a (super-blogger) transcriber so we can get the highlights on RSS in the aggregators. This would increase the live audience many times if I am right.

Best Regards,

Jamie

# April 14, 2004 8:41 PM

SBC said:

How about a 'Jerry Springer' type show? We could get a couple of .NETters having a good bout of boxing (without gloves of course).. for example, Rory vs. Roy..
:-)

# April 14, 2004 8:46 PM

Catatonic said:

I download Dot Net Rocks to a flash memory player, and listen to half an hour each day while I'm taking a walk outside. If your new show is 90 minutes long, it would give me something new to listen to every day.

# April 14, 2004 9:09 PM

Mark Hoffman said:

Can you define what your purpose for doing the show would be? The purpose for .NET rocks is pretty straightforward: Talk and teach .NET. You've filled a niche and the listeners followed.

You say "we hope to expose listeners to interesting people (authors, scientists, technologists, innovators, or anyone whom we think would be a good guest)."

but to what end? I listen to .NET rocks because it's educational and entertaining at the same time. If someone were to ask you "Why should I listen to .NET Rocks?" your answer would be simple. What would the answer be if someone were to ask you "Why should I listen to the Cark and Rory Show?"

I just think the reasoning has to go beyond exposing listeners to interesting people, but rather fulfill a need that isn't being filled. (Much like what .NET Rocks does.)

# April 14, 2004 10:24 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> If someone were to ask you "Why should I listen to .NET Rocks?" your answer would be simple. What would the answer be if someone were to ask you "Why should I listen to the Cark and Rory Show?"

I have listened to radio shows that have (get this) nothing to do with programming that have actually influenced me or changed me in some way that I did not expect, for the better. This American Life is one, Whaddya Know is another, Talk of the Nation Science Friday is yet another.

An amazing thing happens when you get intelligent people together to talk about interesting things: dialogue.

I'm not talking about the McLaughlin Group, CNN Crossfire, Hardball, or any of that crap.

Think of the show we did live with Dan Appleman on Security for teens. Had nothing to do with programming. It was great.

This week's show with Bob Reselman had nothing to do with .NET as a technology and could be understood by anyone with SSFS (simultaneous synaptic firing syndrome). Again, great stuff.

How many other people out there would you like to sit down and have a beer with, or invite over for dinner?

Ian, did you LEARN anything from this week's show? It wasn't about .NET. I learned a lot. I don't know about you.

There's a guy in Hebron, CT who hooked his computer up to 150 maple trees (for sugaring) so he can measure the sap flow from his desk, and only service the buckets that are full. He's not a programmer. I want to talk to that guy.

I'm not talking about a "new way" to train programmers here, and I'm not talking rocket science. I'm talking good old edutainment - but for the rest of the nerd world, not just for us.

It's quite possible you'd have no reason to listen to it, but there are many who would, I believe.

# April 15, 2004 12:52 AM

Pete Beech said:

By the sound of it, I reckon you'd be into a lot of the stuff on BBC Radio 4 ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ ), particularly a show called "In Our Time" ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_archive_home.shtml ). Maybe a bit dry, but absolutely fascinating stuff for thinking people. (All the shows are archived for on-demand listening.)

# April 15, 2004 5:23 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Pete,

"A bit dry" is a big problem with these kinds of shows. Listen to this one: http://www.notmuch.com/Show

Just pick any archive and listen. You learn a few things, it's interesting, and entertaining at the same time.

# April 15, 2004 6:19 AM

Simon Tocker said:

Hi Carl,

Love the Idea I've yet to catch up with the latest show been so busy but I loved the show with Dan Appleman. I thought that was one of the best I've listened to, even though there was not a lot if any coding. I hope you give this a go I will certainly listen. Mixing in the comedy element and music is a good idea as one topic shows can be dry.

As for time I'm five hours ahead any way so it doesnt really matter as long as you archive them.

# April 15, 2004 6:30 AM

Josh Baltzell said:

I think ti is a great idea. What are you going to lose if you try it for a few episodes?

I would say you should start out under 2 hours and see how the time fills up. I am positive some guests will be much more interesting than others. I think that is the reason they do panels on a lot of shows.

I can't guarentee I will listen live weekly, but I will give it a listen for the first few weeks at least.

# April 15, 2004 9:33 AM

TomB said:

I think it's a great idea, and suggest you pick whatever time is convenient for you. Most of us will have to download, and listen off hours anyway.

Do we really have to be thinking though? Like will that be a requirement.

I've always enjoyed listening to intelligent people talk about what they specialize in. But it may also be interesting to hear them speak on subjects that are not.

Scott Hanselman fascinates me, and I'd like to hear his take on stuff outside of programming. Talking about his trip to Northern Africa for example.

Or, Stephen Hawking could tell us why he prefers Coke over Pepsi (or vice versa?)

# April 15, 2004 12:13 PM

Scott said:

I never listen to the show live, I download the MP3 and listen to it on my daily commute or while I'm at work.
I may be in the minority here but I generally fast forward through all of the banter at the start of the show and get straight into the interviews. So a second show with more banter wouldn't appeal to me.

# April 15, 2004 6:49 PM

Paolo said:

I have to say that other than the normal 8 (or more like 10) to 5 or 6, the prime hours I spend in front of the computer is 10pm to 2am (phoenix time). This is the time that lovelines is on - ok i'm not in high school and the show really *shouldn't* interest me, but it does - i mostly listen to it because i think adam corolla is damn funny.

anyway, in my opinion a time slot like that is one where a lot of people are up, and personally i don't like to fill it with tv.

# April 16, 2004 12:02 AM

Paolo said:

I actually like the current time slot - it makes sure i'm actually up and at my desk and all coffeed up on friday mornings.

but if you were to move it, i'd suggest 11pm to 1am est - this would move it to 8pm on the west which is post-dinner time and all that.

-paolo

# April 16, 2004 12:04 AM

Dave-o said:

10PM to Midnight EST Thursday would be great for those of us working on the east coast of Australia! For us it'll be mid-day to 2pm on Friday! A nice way to begin the weekend wind down. :)

# April 16, 2004 12:06 AM

Chance Gillespie said:

I try to catch the live shows when I can but I'm a night person so I'm not always awake at noon (how pathetic is that? :) ). I would definately be able to catch each one if it was moved to 10PM thursday.

# April 16, 2004 12:20 AM

Mr Howard said:

I agree with Dave-o

# April 16, 2004 12:20 AM

Rob Windsor said:

I'm fine with either time but I would be able to listen live more often on Thursday night.

# April 16, 2004 12:27 AM

Justin King said:

Considering I get up at 4am in Sydney to listen anything that puts it at a reasonable hour so do not have to miss it on the big night outs on Friday.

# April 16, 2004 12:42 AM

Kim Rossey said:

Always try to catch the current live show. Never have made it yet.

However a 10-11PM EST start time would be a no miss.

# April 16, 2004 2:04 AM

Daryl Turska said:

10pm Thursday EST would be perfect.

# April 16, 2004 4:39 AM

Catatonic said:

Would be perfect. Every week I promise I will listen live and then I miss it. (It's the thought that counts)

# April 16, 2004 5:36 AM

John Barone said:

I"m actually the reverse of most (it seems). I'm up very early in the AM, so having the show late would mean that I would miss it...

# April 16, 2004 7:03 AM

Rick said:

Thursday would be good. I cannot stream audio from work...

# April 16, 2004 7:35 AM

M Kenyon said:

I listen at work. Can't listen at home right now. Looks like 'to bad' for me.

# April 16, 2004 9:05 AM

Josh Pollard said:

ditto m Kenyon. Friday's are great right now!

# April 16, 2004 9:40 AM

Strafe said:

Bandwidth sucks at work so I never get to listen live, and since I have no social life, thursday nights work better for me.

# April 16, 2004 10:14 AM

Stuart Radcliffe said:

That would make it the middle of the night in Europe. No more listening live.

# April 16, 2004 10:48 AM

TomB said:

How about doing the show 12 times, then it will work for everyone?

Thursday night's perfect for me.

# April 16, 2004 12:27 PM

Darren Swartzendruber said:

I like it just the way it is, 12 noon Eastern. I bring my lunch and listen to DNR. If it needs to be moved, Late afternoon would work as well, 3pm - 5pm eastern.

Night will never work for me. I have a family and a life outside of work!

# April 16, 2004 12:36 PM

Ron Green said:

+1

# April 16, 2004 12:41 PM

NJ John said:

"people with more than one brain cell firing at any one time"... Well that rules me out. ;-)

But really - what the hey Carl, it's worth a try. It would be cool to see you and Rory extended beyond .NET geekdom.

As for time slot, as long as the shows are archived and downloadable a-la "Rocks" it doesn't really matter THAT much - unless you are counting heavily on call-ins and listener interaction beyond the chat room.

Hope it gets off the ground. Heck, I'd love to help write some bits! :-D

# April 16, 2004 12:46 PM

J. Eddie Gulley said:

I would definitely do the Thursday night time slot. I will never be able to listen live during work hours.

Rock On!

# April 16, 2004 1:53 PM

Jason Mauss said:

Yeah, please. Move it to Thurs. night.

Also - just asking out of curiosity - why does it take 2 days to get the audio files up for download after a show? Shouldn't that process only take an hour or so?

# April 16, 2004 3:33 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Shouldn't that process only take an hour or so?

We record each voice seperately in its own track.

First we remove background noise from each track that needs it. That alone can take 20 to 30 minutes.

Then we adjust the EQ on any track that needs it, if a phone call sounds bad, for example.

Then we take out any coughs, burps, farts, or otherwise distracting noises on tracks that are not supposed to be making noise (the non-talker at the time). That can take hours.

Then we mix it down to a stereo wav

Then we edit for content. If someone says "fuck" it gets bleeped. If someone says "oh, that's wrong, we'll take that out" or some other stupid distracting thing jumps out, we'll fix it.

Then we split it into 2 parts. Each part gets converted to mp3 and wma, and the entire wav also gets converted to mp3 and wma.

The we copy them up to the server and flup the switch on the website.

We want to sound good forever. <g>

# April 16, 2004 3:51 PM

Minh T. Nguyen said:

Yes!! I totally prefer this idea. I always wanted to listen live, but frankly I work on Fridays, and I don't have the luxury to just take off two hours from work, listen on headphones as everyone else does.

# April 16, 2004 4:16 PM

Joe Grenier said:

I'm all for the Thursday night schedule. That way I can call in drunk. Seriously.

# April 16, 2004 5:07 PM

Paul said:

Why does everybody view strip bars in such a negative way? Why are they portrayed within the context of loser guy? There is more to it than that.

# April 16, 2004 9:11 PM

Steve Severance said:

Thursday night would be much better. Thanks.

# April 17, 2004 8:55 AM

mnrp said:

Of course it's ok to have different audiences for these shows. Some will listen to one or the other, some to both.

# April 17, 2004 12:22 PM

Paul Sturgill said:

The current time slot is better for me.
Thanks

# April 19, 2004 10:19 AM

J Donnici said:

I thought the show with Bob Reselman was excellent. I went into it expecting just another "rant on offshore outsourcing" and thinking I'd be disappointed with a non-techie show... but I came away with a completely different feeling. The discussions on why we do what we do, what it contributes to our lives and society, and what the role of the "citizen" is in an "information age" were all very thought-provoking. I spent a bunch of time at lunch with a colleague (not a DNR listener) talking about many of those issues from our own perspectives. Great stuff.

So while I'll still tune in to .NET Rocks for the tech/code stuff, I'd happily tune in to a "broader audience" show. I think doing it during the week is the best idea, probably during the lunch time like .NET Rocks.

Sure, it'd be great to listen to it live while driving, but until you're on an over-the-air system (AM/XM), who streams audio to their car? With a mid-day broadcast, US listeners can tune in from their desks around lunch and much of Europe can tune in during their evening.

Making it accessible via a download after the fact will also be key.

Good luck!

# April 19, 2004 11:55 AM

Grant said:

I concur with J Donnici; I would listen via any archives that would be available for download -- there's no "good" time when I could regularly be listening live.

# April 19, 2004 2:10 PM

Peter Stathakos said:

I would not tune in live on Thursdays, just hard to reserve that two-hour block of time (and stay awake), my fiancee would not be too happy. I try to listen from work on the current schedule but I keep getting interrupted and loose track of what's happening on the show.

The best way for me is the burn on CD and listen in the car technique.

# April 19, 2004 4:25 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 20, 2004 2:58 AM

M Kenyon said:

>How about an interview with the team at NASA who wrote the code behind the Spirit Rover?

I believe they wrote that in Java.

>Stephen Hawking could tell us why he prefers Coke over Pepsi (or vice versa?)

Now there's a guest. Of course he likes to get his questions in advance.

Again, I like during the week day where I can listen at work. But where is most of the audience going to be listening from? And how many could listen live at any time?

# April 20, 2004 9:04 AM

DonXML Demsak (donAT_NO_SPAM_donxml.com) said:

Yo, where's my fix? It is 12PM EDT and no DNRocks :(

# April 23, 2004 12:02 PM

Morten L said:

Yes, it's shame it isn't in Australia.

I am very interested to get Whidbey, so I called MS in Australia to ask if getting a Universal subscription would enable me to download Whidbey from MSDN, but the guy I spoke to didn't what Whidbey were and in the end he could only refer me to the default page for MSDN...

Carl, do you know if it is possible to get Whidbey in Australia somehow?

# April 25, 2004 5:26 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Let me ask the MSDN folks.

# April 25, 2004 4:32 PM

M. Keith Warren said:

May not be the most powerful, but I got the convertible Toshiba (refurbed) from Ubid for $1200; 1.2/512

# April 25, 2004 8:55 PM

M. Keith Warren said:

Excuse me, http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=9453173&CATID=1001&SPOTID=4

1.33/512/40 for only $1089, not trying to be a salesman but that is pretty good.

# April 25, 2004 8:57 PM

James Avery said:

I just finished looking at all of them, and decided on the Toshiba M200. I have not received it yet, but I have high expectations for it. It seems to be the one that people choose when they want to get any sort of development done.

-James

# April 25, 2004 9:16 PM

Steve Clarke said:

Check out my Acer C300 review. I use Cubase SX on it with a MOTU 828 firewire rackmount - among other things.

http://steve.wedevelop.net/archives/000191.html

# April 25, 2004 9:32 PM

Yannick Smits said:

Toshiba M200, best thing is its high resolution. Feels so much better than all these 1028x768 tablets.
BTW I use it with Band-in-a-box and Finale 2004

# April 25, 2004 10:02 PM

rick said:

Recently went through the review/selection process for a Tablet PC. I don't compose music so I can't say much about that as a use, but here's my bits...

Top three for me:
Toshiba M200
Acer C300
Gateway 275

I picked the Toshiba partly because of the higher resolution display (1400 x 1050 max vs 1028 x 764 max for the others). Even with the 12.1 in. dispaly it suits my preferences for everyday work better.

The real deciding factor for me was the feel while writing using the pen. The response of the Toshiba felt more nearly *real* to me than others I was able to test drive. All of them were fast in terms of showing the ink as I penned. The higher resolution made the writing look more like what I'm comfortable with on paper.

I definitely recommend the convertible form (which pretty much seems to be a no-brainer, but who am I to judge...I'd hate to think no one said it and someone didn't think about it). Also, if you can get your hands on them, you'll definitely want to try before you buy. OneNote is an *ABSOLUTE* must have for a tablet - better than sex with that just-a-bit-TOO-skinny girl from the neighborhood where you grew up. Every time. (Ok, so maybe it's only better than that chick from where I grew up, but the point is the same; OneNote is worth having - comes included on the Toshiba at last check.)

I've had my tablet for just about a month now and am using it exclusively for note taking and everything documentation oriented (LOVE that OneNote), e-mail, and lately even some development. The thing is with me almost everywhere now so it makes perfect sense. I used to carry paper notebooks and folders. Not anymore.

Negatives:
1. The digitizer makes the display a bit dark but it's still quite readable even at a decently wide viewing angle.
2. The pen is dorky. Not just ugly but it also has a 'right-click' button (programmable, so I could shut it off but I haven't yet) in the area where I hold it when writing and it screws me up more than I like unless I'm paying careful attention. I don't care all that much for paying close attention to a button I don't want to use when I'm writing. (Toshiba offers a different pen for about $40 too. I didn't buy it so I can't say if it's any better.)
3. At ~4.4 lbs. it's a bit heavy for truly *clipboard-like* tablet use for note taking and handwriting but I'm adjusting. (The Gateway was significantly heavier and the Acer notably lighter - the Acer felt a bit *flimsy* to me though and the ink seemed too coarse (mostly because of the screen resolution).)

Current rating for the Toshiba (Scale of 1 to 5 where 1 = "I'm going to slam this up the rectal passage of the first Toshiba marketing rep I meet" and 5 = "Who needs a desktop PC or a wife now that I have my M200?":
4.0

You may quote me on that...

# April 25, 2004 10:11 PM

Christopher Coulter said:

Small listing of what is out there. :) Also do check out http://www.tabletpctalk.com/faqs/comparison/2004.php for a good comparison chart. Also keep in mind also, right on the crusp of Dothan and Lonestar (SP2), but any current Centrino can more than handle most tasks.

• Acer TMC111, TMC111Ti-G - 10.4", 1.0 GHz ULV, 3.2 lbs.
• Acer TMC115, TMC120 - TMC115/TMC120 - 1.5 GHz to Dothan, 10.4" (Forthcoming)
• Acer 250PE - Pent 4, 2.6 GHz (laptop with Tablet functionality)
• Acer TMC300, TMC301XCi-G - 1.5 GHz, 14.1"
• HP Tablet PC TC1100 - 10.4", 1.0 GHz and Celeron 800 MHz (NVIDIA Video)
• Electrovaya Scribbler SC-2000/2010 - 12.1", 1.2 GHz LV, 9 hour battery life
• Fujitsu-Siemens LifeBook T Series T3010 (D) Tablet PC - 1.4 GHz, 12.1"
• Fujitsu Stylistic ST5000 (D) Tablet PC - 12.1" and 1.0 GHz+ Centrino (Slate model, 3.2 lbs.)
• Sharp Actius TN10W - 12.1" XGA AGLR TFT LCD, 1.1 GHz MLV
• Tatung TTAB-B12D - 12.1", 900MHz ULV and 1.2 GHz LV
• Viewsonic Tablet PC V1250 - 12.1", 1.0 GHz ULV
• LGIBM Tablet PC Xnote LT-20-11BK, LT-20-12DK, LT-20-13EK - 12.1" XGA WAV, 1.4GHz-1.6 GHz
• Toshiba M200/M205 Tablet PC - 12.1", 1.5Ghz, nVIDIA (32M RAM), SXGA+ 1400x1050
• Gateway M275X / M275XL Tablet PC - 1.4 GHz and 1.6 GHz, 14.1"
• Motion 1400 - 1.1-GHz ULV Pentium M, 12.1" XGA TFT (160/170 degree WVA)

# April 25, 2004 10:24 PM

NewUser said:

I tripped over <a href="http://www.tabletquestions.com">Tablet PC Questions</a> and found some great answers. It looks like a growing site for tablet users. Maybe you should post on it and see what others say.

# April 26, 2004 12:12 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Sounds like the Toshiba M200 is the one to get.

Does anyone know when the "next generation" of Tablets is due out? IOW, is this a bad time to buy one?

Thanks for all the great comments!

# April 26, 2004 1:06 AM

Chris Sells said:

I've heard that the 2nd gen of tablets is coming in the fall, which is when I'll be looking.

# April 26, 2004 1:54 AM

Jonathan Hardwick said:

The Toshiba M200 is already a 2nd-generation Tablet. I've been using a Toshiba Portege 3500, its 1st-generation ancestor, for a year. I'd love an M200, but my boss just claimed it :)

Definitely get yourself a nicer pen though - I like the Cross pen (http://blogs.msdn.com/jonathanh/archive/2004/03/12/88938.aspx)

# April 26, 2004 2:19 AM

Christopher Coulter said:

Already in the 2nd and on verge of the 3rd. On verge of 2nd Gen software-wise come June with Lonestar (SP2). 1st Gen's are cheap and good (not as powerful but where inexpensive comes into play), 2nd Gen's are more than powerful enough, and 3rd's will be even better. Now is a great time, things will always get better, but it's beyond the beta-test stages. At some point have to bite the bullet.

But to answer your question, Dothan is expected around May 10th, but it will take awhile before it all trickles down to Tablets and gets mass volume. So I am eye'ing July for the 3rd Generation, complete with SP2. This Summer will be buy season ahoy, imho. :)

1st Gen - Pent III
2nd Gen - Centrino
3rd Gen - Dothan and beyond...
4th Gen - who knows? Solid State HDs and Fuel cells? A hope. :)

# April 26, 2004 4:16 AM

Dheeren Padhy said:

Dear All,

In Terminal Services:

1. How to achieve the IP address of the client connected to a Server through terminal services ?
2. Is the Information (IP address,user logged,and process the user is using written to any windows file) ?

If you know anything about this could you please pass me some information ?

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Dheeren

# April 26, 2004 10:56 AM

James Avery said:

I thought about waiting, but the M200 really has everything I need. At some point you really do have to pony up and buy, as I am sure you know you can play the waiting game with forever. :)

-James

# April 26, 2004 11:17 AM

Markus Egger said:

Glad to see that I manage to drag you into this ;-)

I think the next one I will buy is the new Toshiba. The main thing I do not like about my current tablet (first generation Acer) is the screen resolution (asides from the lack of horsepower). I think horsepower is about the same across all brands. The large display is what sells me though, because it means that I can 1) use VS on that machine the way I normally would use it, and 2) I can terminal server into my desktop machine and still see most of the things I am interested in...

# April 26, 2004 11:52 AM

Cintask Airer said:

Can't wait to download it. Hopefully the site will be back up soon.

# April 26, 2004 2:31 PM

Yossi said:

I think that the solution for using two seperate mice pointers lays within the HT (Hyper Threading) technology. once the computer processor can handle two seperate applications you can write a mouse driver that splits the data from each mouse to a seperate thread on each of the 'processors' (remember its HT tech not actuall two processors)
with that technology i believe can set focus on two different applications.

# April 26, 2004 6:34 PM

Justin King said:

On behalf of all Australians and anyone on this side of the world. I THANK YOU!!!!! 4am was just too much. Could live with 6am...

Ends up being midday here :) can listen over my lunch now.

# April 26, 2004 7:26 PM

Stuart said:

Rick, I miss you! :)

# April 26, 2004 7:27 PM

Sahil Mailk said:

I have a toshiba M200 with bluetooth. I have a laptop & a desktop too (toshiba), so .. mistake on my part, I should have bought a slate instead of convertible. I find 3.2 lbs too heavy to comfortably hold in my hand and read the news while on the pot in the mornings.

For music composition, there's a powertoy by microsoft.

Overall review of tablet - Good for geeks, not ready for primetime yet. OneNote needs serious help. (Just my views). I can't wait to see the list of applications that come out of the tablet pc $100,000 sweetstakes.

# April 26, 2004 10:56 PM

Catatonic said:

Cool! I'll fulfill my end of the bargain by actually listening live this week.

# April 27, 2004 12:12 AM

Pete Beech said:

Now, in Europe, we'll (maybe) see what getting up at 4am was like for the aussies.. :-)

# April 27, 2004 2:35 AM

ChessMess said:

YES! I can finally attend a live show!!

# April 27, 2004 9:29 AM

TrackBack said:

# April 27, 2004 12:52 PM

Sahil Malik said:

My ideal Tablet -

P5, less than 1 lb weight, slate, better than current handwriting recog (though the current is vastly better than PDA), all sorts of wireless, virtual keyboard.

My ideal one note -

Must have figure representation recogonition, i.e. drawing circles, squares etc, should allow me to logically easily select (rather than clicking on toolbars all the time), and drag drop/create space in the middle etc.

Current killer app for tablet -

Microsoft Reader and e-books. Yes those are awesome.

# April 27, 2004 1:05 PM

Cintask Airer said:

Yet another great DNR Show! Maybe the person looking to take down Rory's site, determined it would be to hard to just hit Rory, and decided to go for a larger target, hoping to hit Rory in the process.

# April 27, 2004 2:34 PM

Noah Fields said:

Late-night times kick ass, since that's when most of us are just waking up anway.

# April 27, 2004 3:53 PM

bliz said:

this is cool! thanks for making it late enough for folks on the west coast to get home from work, eat dinner, then take a dump before sitting down to listen to dnr.

most excellent. :)

btw, ./calldotnetrocks still says fridays from 12 - 2 eastern.

# April 27, 2004 4:19 PM

abaum said:

How about good (short) stories.. I have a little gem from lastweek with my supervisor, but alas, it was verbal...

# April 27, 2004 8:50 PM

Scott Galloway said:

Same here...verbal (or IM) the jist of it was - if we do more testing we'll find more bugs, that could delay product launch...I didn't even bother to argue.

# April 27, 2004 9:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

A short story would be great.

# April 27, 2004 9:57 PM

Peter said:

Sorry Carl, I'm not gonna stay up untill 4AM or get up then just to hear your voice. But you got to do what you think is best for the show and keep on .NET Rocking.

If you record it on Thursday, does that mean you could get the downloads up earlier?

# April 28, 2004 5:44 AM

Christopher Coulter said:

Good things are happening, a slew of Tablet PC Events are upcoming...

Mobility Road Show
http://www.chrysalisevents.com/tabletroadshow/

Tablet PC Demo Days
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/evaluation/demodays.asp

Microsoft Tablet PC Developers Tour 2004
http://www.tabletpctraining.com/microsoft/

Tablet PC Campus Demo Tour
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/evaluation/campusdemo.asp

Student Mobility Tour 2004
http://www.mscampustour.com/

AngelBeat Conferences 2004
http://www.angelbeat.com

# April 28, 2004 5:47 AM

DarrenS said:

I guess live is out for me then (East coast US). I am usually settled in bed reading an ebook by then! But maybe it is for the best. I like the technical discussions on the show, but the sometimes off-color banter is on the verge of starting to be offensive. The rule in my house is that I do not watch or listen to anything my teenagers cannot watch or listen to (lead by example.) And I do not think I could let them listen to .NET Rocks!.

:-(

# April 28, 2004 11:05 AM

smarlowe said:

thanks

# April 28, 2004 11:23 AM

Joe Grenier said:

I look forward to cracking open a beer, putting my feet up and tuning in. If the mood strikes me, I may call in with a question or I may just enjoy the mix of technical content, interesting guest and sometimes off-color banter. I try to remember that it's a talk show. If I want straight technical info, there are plenty of resources out there on the net, or I can just take a class from Franklins.net ;)

Seriously, I'm really happy about the new time slot. The kids are in bed and Daddy's ready to rock.

# April 28, 2004 11:43 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Cool, Jim. Maybe you could make the trek down some night and have a beer with us in the studio!

# April 28, 2004 1:13 PM

abaum said:

I posted the short story on my new blog.

http://abaum.com/blog/

# April 28, 2004 9:06 PM

TrackBack said:

Take Outs for 28 April 2004

# April 29, 2004 12:28 AM

Andrew Davey said:

Bah! Now I'll have to stay up til 2am! I guess there is no way to please everyone. Surely the best option is to put the show on when the majority of people can listen live. Perhaps you should run a poll your site to guage the most popular time.

Anyway - I'll just have to check out the recorded version (or fill up my DNR mug with espresso!). Keep on rockin' !!

# April 29, 2004 9:43 AM

Joe Grenier said:

Carl,

You guys are ok with a studio audience at 10PM? If so, I'll do my best to get their tonight! I'll even bring Jim with me ;)

# April 29, 2004 11:32 AM

Joe Grenier said:

I'll even try to get THERE tonight (hey, I was a science major, not English).

# April 29, 2004 11:33 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Come on over. Bring a cell phone because the front door gets locked at 6!

# April 29, 2004 2:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Perhaps you should run a poll your site to guage the most popular time.

We did that. Most people can listen at night. Sorry.

# April 29, 2004 2:29 PM

Rumor has it that you guys are planning some kind of new contest, where each week a listener must get themselves hit by a moving vehicle while wearing DNR swag to win a mention on the show. Is this true?

Well let me tell you... you people are sick! SICK!!

;-P

# May 4, 2004 12:23 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 4, 2004 1:35 PM

Tom said:

Some sparkle info....
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,4248,1374455,00.asp

# May 4, 2004 5:00 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 5, 2004 12:32 AM

NJ John said:

Damn, that was a GREAT show! One of the best DNR's yet.

# May 5, 2004 10:00 PM

Michael Ferrini said:

Ahhh finally operator overloading in Visual Basic.

# May 6, 2004 8:27 AM

paul said:

Cool, I can watch the Yankees play out on the west coast and listen to .Net Rocks after returning from our UG meeting!

http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/archive/2004/05/06/12969.aspx

keep up rockin! ;-) Damir Tomicic, INETA Germany, Austria & Switzerland

# May 11, 2004 8:10 PM

Chris McEvoy said:

This article by Dan (Visicalc) Bricklin may be of interest:
http://danbricklin.com/log/tabletpc.htm

So, one day in, my verdict: I can't see ever buying a portable laptop that isn't a convertible -- the benefits are too great for me. It's a Tablet PC, not a Pen PC, and not a Clamshell PC, and that's a win. While these are clearly still basically a version 1 or 2, they are still very useful. If you read a lot on a PC, and move your laptop around a lot, and have benefited from 802.11, and don't mind using early software that works but is basic (like the original VisiCalc was), and are in the market for a new laptop, take the next step and move up to a tablet. Corporate evaluators must start learning about these systems, because as they improve and the price difference disappears, you'll have to figure out how to configure them, what type of software to insist upon, etc. If you always wanted to do your composing with a pen, and expect handwriting to be as reliable as a keyboard, stick with the keyboard, and wait for "handwriting computing" to happen, if it ever does. It's not that important. Tablet computing is. It will make reading on a computer even more pervasive. I think Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers who were willing to take a chance trying to advance the state of mainstream personal computing are to be commended for what they've done.

# May 12, 2004 3:03 PM

Eduardo Melione said:

What about login? Suppose that we can configure extras mice and keyboards. So, if the computer with two or more monitors could be used for more people at same time... Does windows deal with this? There is something like unix-like that maps users to terminals? It could be very useful...

Think about it!

# May 12, 2004 6:04 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Well, again, I don't think the idea is to have more than one mouse cursor. That would surely screw everything up - The windows API SetCursorPos for example... in short, that wouldn't work.

These would have to be auxilliary inputs that you need a special API to be able to access.

# May 12, 2004 7:03 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Great timing with TechEd coming up. Would be nice if you could take a few moments to go over the general conference happenings for the newbie conference attendees, so we aren't overloaded. :P

# May 13, 2004 2:53 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 13, 2004 11:53 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 14, 2004 12:27 AM

Joe Duffy said:

Just listening to the taped show right now...

Carl, I like your taste. I'm no expert in the field, but really do enjoy a good single malt scotch now and again.

...In fact, at TechEd last year I was hanging out with a group of geeks at our hotel's bar (Adolphus), and ordered a glass of 30 year old Macallan single malt. Easily the best scotch I've ever tasted.

And than I got the bill. $65 for a single glass! Yowzas!

# May 14, 2004 10:52 AM

Lenroc said:

Going to record a punk band tomorrow wth only 2 Shure Beta58s. Hope it works?!!! Got another cheap Shure Vocal Mic - will probably just shove that on into the bass drum to get a bit more out of it.
Recording through a Beringher 4 Channel mixer into Garageband for Mac OS X. Might just get that real old trashy 70's UK punk sound!

Got any suggestions besides going out and buying condensor mics?
The kit is a very good Tama in a very small room with mostly bare walls! Can this be done?

# May 14, 2004 11:01 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Set up the mics like 3 feet in front of the drums. If you want a wide sound, place them far to the side pointing in to the same point. If you want it tighter, move them closer to the middle, but always point them to the same point in space to avoid phase cancelation, which doesn't sound good, even for punk.

# May 14, 2004 11:23 AM

Lenroc said:

Thanx for the advice!
Just got another mike (Samson R11) from a friend to use, seems like another cheap vocal mike, so now got the 2 beta58's as overheads and the cheap Shure for inside bass drum.
Where should I put the Samson to help the sound? I thought of just putting it up to the snare?

Any help?

# May 14, 2004 1:38 PM

Phil Weber said:

I have a Creative SBLive!, but I can't find JAZZ.MID or REGGAE.MID on my system anywhere; maybe Creative's not including them anymore? I do have a WFJAZZ.MID that came with an old Turtle Beach card, but I don't think that's yours.

Your post did, however, prompt me to dig up and listen to this file: http://www.philweber.com/funstuff/spain.mid . Sounds amazing through the Roland VSC that came with my copy of Band-in-a-Box!

# May 16, 2004 2:23 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Actually, Turtle Beach was bought by Voyetra, so it may be mine. Send me a link to it, and I'll let you know.

# May 16, 2004 8:41 AM

Phil Weber said:

http://www.philweber.com/funstuff/wfjazz.mid

# May 16, 2004 9:49 AM

TrackBack said:

# May 16, 2004 12:36 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Lemme guess...
That was Rory!

# May 17, 2004 6:12 AM

J Donnici said:

Hi Carl,

Just curious... what program recording program are you using these days? I've been a Cakewalk user since the DOS days and currently use Sonar 3.x, as well as Reason, Sound Forge, Project5, etc. Can't bring myself to get rid of the hardware gear, though. :)

JD

# May 17, 2004 2:38 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I'm starting to use Sonar 3.0, but I'm not comfy with it yet. I also use CoolEdit Pro, which has now been bought by Adobe.

# May 17, 2004 3:28 PM

Catatonic said:

I had a Sound Blaster, and I must have heard those MIDI's, but I just can't remember how they sounded. I do remember the talking parrot, Dr. Sbaitso (THIS IS NOT AN ANATOMY CLASS), and a demo that played Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy.

I still have Voyetra Midi Orchestrator Plus installed, a 16-bit app that came with a Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold I think. Still works fine on Windows XP.

# May 17, 2004 7:20 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Yeah I got to it just as it went on the web Carl. Although I'm still listening to it now. Pretty good show!

# May 17, 2004 9:09 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Umm Carl it just said that a Network Error had occured.

# May 18, 2004 4:16 AM

Luciano Evaristo Guerche said:

Dear Carl,

Do you know whether Dan Appleman, Mark Dunn, Don Kiely and Bill Vaughn have blog sites or not and their addresses?

--
Luciano Evaristo Guerche
Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil

# May 18, 2004 11:18 AM

NJ John said:

The guy who did the MIDI demo files for Cakewalk (Igor Khoroshev) went on to play keyboards for Yes. So who knows, Carl... you just might be a rock star someday.

# May 18, 2004 4:07 PM

Leonard Knight said:

I too am in the market for a tablet pc. I love the idea. I used a Newton MP2K for over a year and loved it...I haven't been happy with any other PDA's since. None live up to it.

Sorry for the tangent.

I want something light...less than 1 lb and fast. It has to have 802.11g or better and bluetooth would be very handy. I had considered the NEC Versa Litepad but have read some really bad reviews of it. I prefer a true slate...I'll use my laptop when I need a laptop. I think I'll be waiting for the next wave of tablets. Thanks for "listening".

# May 18, 2004 9:41 PM

Adam Kinney said:

I plan on coming to the BOF, but its on Sunday May 23rd, right? Or is it Saturday May 22nd?

# May 19, 2004 11:28 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I nearly had a reason to watch it live this week!

# May 19, 2004 11:34 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sorry about that. It's on Sunday, May 23rd.

# May 20, 2004 10:50 AM

Paul O'T said:

.NET Rocks has been in a state of flux over the last 4 months, so I hope the show will survive and continue to grow.

# May 20, 2004 9:14 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Says who???

# May 20, 2004 10:10 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

??? LIVE RULZ!

# May 21, 2004 3:35 AM

Kevin said:

I have gone through the "How to Use DPAPI (user store) from ASP.Net with Enterprise services"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnnetsec/html/SecNetHT07.asp

...But my sample asp.net and windows form app both give me the same "Access is denied" when I run the encrypt button logic. It actually is bombing on the creation. (dim x as dataprotectorcomp = new dataprotectorcomp)

Any ideas????

# May 21, 2004 6:14 PM

marco said:

hahahaha.

Whenever a professor takes a sabbatical all the students ask if s/he's retiring.

So isn't it fitting that when Carl and Rory announce a vacation, people wonder if the whole shebang is going under!

Have a nice time off.
Listen for ya when you get back!

marco

# May 22, 2004 7:09 PM

marco said:

Every once in a while a 95
or 3.11 box gets donated to
the shelter I help run. I
always search the heck out of
control panel to see if
reggae.mid happens to be there.
Joyful memories...

Ah,
marco

# May 22, 2004 7:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Hey mon!

# May 22, 2004 10:57 PM

Charlie Dey aka Crimson said:

I've been looking forward to the jam sessions as well, but didn't bring my keyboards - case is way to bulky... so how dies it work, would I rent one out, or what?

# May 23, 2004 10:14 AM

Andy Winters said:

They supply all the instuments so there will usually be two keyboards, a couple of basses, drums, plenty of guitars, etc.

Just come on down!

# May 23, 2004 10:21 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yep. Just bring your bad self!

# May 23, 2004 5:14 PM

Russ Fustino said:

Carl lead the pack! I can't wait to see him again this year... Carl, still have the strat?

# May 23, 2004 6:06 PM

TrackBack said:

After listing to the latest DotNetRocks show, one thing really struck a chord with me. I don't remember who exactly it was that said it, Don Kiely I think, but the statement made was that there are those who are too busy...

# May 23, 2004 6:17 PM

Josh Baltzell said:

Vodka looks like water. Just kidding! :)

# May 27, 2004 8:59 PM

NJ John said:

LUSH! :-P

# May 27, 2004 9:52 PM

JC Magnusson said:

Now I wasn't there, but come on, that sounds damn funny to me! :)

# May 28, 2004 3:40 PM

TrackBack said:

Lazycoder weblog » Tech Ed 2004 it’s over, was it worth it?

# May 28, 2004 11:08 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It was funny to me, but Microsoft didn't think it was so funny. It was the kind of practical joke that demands reciprocation. :-)

# May 29, 2004 10:46 PM

Kannan Kalyanaraman said:

Carl,

I remember you displaying a link to the mp3 player you guys use for recording the show, I couldn't find the link anymore. Can you post it to your blog or the .netrocks page. Googling didnt help either.

Thanks,
Kannan

# May 31, 2004 3:19 AM

Pat H. said:

Hi. I have read comments back to 4/25 - Thank you to all. I am looking for a tablet that I can drive cross-country with and get email, download e-books, search the internet, run some games and design house plans. Nothing elaborate like programming. Questions: 1. Is there a satellite system that can be rigged to car that can pick up internet signals even in remote regions? 2. What email system do you recommend? 3. I can buy this between now and June 15- which system/tablet is the latest and greatest? Where is the best place to order it from or purchase from store? Thank you very much for your response.

# May 31, 2004 10:40 AM

Chuck Doherty said:

NOW I find out. I was in the ill-fated 30 minute version on Tuesday, and had no idea it was being presented again. Wish I knew that then.

On another but somewhat related subject, who was that great keyboard player who seemed to be running the show at the Jam Session?

Chuck Doherty

# May 31, 2004 3:41 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> who was that great keyboard player who seemed to be running the show at the Jam Session <

That was Ralph Rivel. He started the sessions in 1993.

# May 31, 2004 3:46 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I remember you displaying a link to the mp3 player you guys use for recording the show <

It's the Archos Multimedia Jukebox. We used it only when we did remote shows. Now I have a better one, an iRiver H120(http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/hd.aspx)

Now unless there's no way to do it, we use a laptop and microphones with an M-Audio Duo USB interface.

# May 31, 2004 3:48 PM

# June 10, 2004 4:21 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Carl I don't mean to put you down but that was a really horrible Unit Testing impression! :)

# June 10, 2004 10:31 PM

Carl Franklin said:

LOL - You didn't like my Andy Rooney?

# June 11, 2004 9:41 AM

NJ John said:

As if Rory EVER sounded human? ;-P

# June 11, 2004 12:35 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

>LOL - You didn't like my Andy Rooney?
I think you know the answer :P
It was funny how Rory's "Demo version" couldn't dropped out and caused the show to buffer.

# June 12, 2004 5:12 AM

Josh said:

I have been having problems with Windows Media Center. When I go in to play a DVD from the Media Center it is degraded and the screen flickers vigorously. I have even gotten the blue screen of DEATH...if you know what I mean. Is there anyway in fixing this? I need some advice. Is there anyway uninstalling Media Center without uninstalling the whole operating system.

# June 13, 2004 5:22 AM

Ah..

Yeah, that is an advantage of POTS. It never goes down.

# June 30, 2004 12:55 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Carl do you know any web host's that do ASP.NET 2.0 shared hosting?

# June 30, 2004 3:44 AM

Carl Franklin said:

That would be illegal right now, wouldn't it??

# June 30, 2004 3:53 AM

TrackBack said:

# June 30, 2004 10:16 AM

Thanks, man!

# July 10, 2004 10:54 PM

Prakash koshy... said:

I want to upgrade my 2000 server machine. I have a new server hardware and i'd like to know the procedure for the migration to a new hardware setup.
I have configured DNS, DHCP,

i would like to know the procedure to migrate active directory, DNS, DHCP.

Can u help me .....Please...

# July 11, 2004 5:12 AM

Klaus said:

Great one!

# July 11, 2004 5:50 PM

TrackBack said:

# July 11, 2004 7:36 PM

Josh Baltzell said:

That clip always cracks me up. I usually picture someone holding a dusty 5 1/4 100 years from now doing the same thing.

# July 12, 2004 12:14 AM

I-Am-Lazy-And-I-Want-A-Link said:

Ditto

# July 12, 2004 7:55 AM

Paul Litwin said:

There is no good reason in modern computing for language case sensitivity. C types make excuses galore for why case sensitivity is a good thing but we all know it's a pile of poop. The machine is supposed to do the work, not the human! Just admit that Kernighan and Ritchie got it wrong and let's be done with case sensitivity already cause it really, really sucks.

Paul

# July 12, 2004 6:21 PM

Mark Dunn said:

Well said Carl. We deal with about a dozen fortune 500 companies that use VB6 or VB .Net for production development. I've also worked closely with multiple agencies at the State of Alabama over the last year and 90% of the .Net development currently under way there is in VB .Net. I know those clients would laugh in the face of anyone suggesting VB is a toy language.

I'm no fan of case sensitive languages either. Paul has a good point there.

As a trainer teaching both C# and VB .Net, I can tell you from experience that VB is far easier on students. First time students in a C# class, unless they come from C++ or Java backgrounds, have a difficult time with the syntax. I've had a former UPS truck driver in a series of VB6 classes that had never written a line of code in his life and he was able to do very well with VB. I shudder to think of his experience with C#. He'd probably be driving a truck today asking what can Brown do for you.

My .02 worth,

-Mark Dunn

# July 12, 2004 6:41 PM

Bill Vaughn said:

Ahem,
Ah, Carl, if you feel that strongly, perhaps you should take out a contract on this guy… ;)
As for me, (and I’ve been programming for a couple three decades too), I prefer Visual Basic as it’s more productive. I’ve been a development manager as well and as such, I prefer languages that my staff can use more efficiently. Managers and the developers they hire are rewarded by the number of problems they solve in a period of time. To me C# has been a “readable” language, but far harder to work with because it has not been as well integrated with the Visual Studio .NET IDE. In Visual Basic when I make a change to a variable or change its scope, I don’t have to do anything—the Visual Basic IDE takes care of the details—I have never had to. Visual Basic’s just easier to use for any number of reasons. The fact that there are billions of lines of Visual Basic code out there to draw on is another appealing factor. Sure, some of it’s going to have to be recoded to go use the Framework. We do this every few years to clean out the closet.
Sure, if you come from Java or C++, you’re going to want to write to C#. That’s fine. Statistically, those people do make more—but I can prove conclusively any fact you care to name given the ability to pick the sample. For example, I can prove that Visual Basic developers make more money simply by adding up the salaries of every man, woman and child that programs in Visual Basic—and include the professional developers along with the “paradevelopers” like the physicians, pundits, prosecutors, plumbers (who make even more) and politicians who make programming Visual Basic part of their job. Hell, the politicians alone would throw the income curve way off. Does that make Visual Basic more important or C# less important? Nah. It just means each has chosen the right language for the person with the problem.
Visual Basic is about productivity—doing more with fewer mistakes by more people without the need for specialized training. The Framework is about that too. The fact that you can use Visual Basic, or C# or any of a couple dozen other languages is immaterial. Saying one language is “better” than another is like saying Aramaic or Greek is better than English because that’s what the bible was written in and you can’t understand Christianity without reading and knowing these ancient tongues.
Carl’s right. Developers should not choose a language for any of the reasons he mentions. They should choose a language with which they are most comfortable and can make the most productive contribution to their company and to themselves.
Bill Vaughn

# July 12, 2004 6:48 PM

TrackBack said:

Lazycoder weblog » C# AND VB.NET suck

# July 12, 2004 6:49 PM

Martin spedding said:

I developed software,for many years using VB, doing a lot of things that people said you could not do with VB. I also worked on Java projects so when it came to choosing a primary .Net development language I went with C#. Partly because I had got tired having to defend vb against people who did not have a clue. The idiocy of the web page is that it is so full of errors and inaccuracies. In end it really does not matter which language you use, I feel happy using both of them.

Martin

# July 12, 2004 7:07 PM

Chris Kinsman said:

I think there are two issues at work here.

I absolutely think that a project team must choose a language and stick with it for all code they create. Note I said create, not consume. Proliferation of multiple languages within a project is the road to madness.

That being said I think the strongest argument for that language choice is what are the developers backgrounds. If C/C++ developers great use C#. If Visual Basic/VBScript developers then use VB.NET. They aren't so different that the odd team member who doesn't sync up with the rest of the teams background can't catch on.

Now this is complicated by the foolish resolve of each of the language teams to further differentiate the languages so they can "compete" against one another. I think this is just going to promote more of the us vs. them mentality that is already swirling around language choice.

# July 12, 2004 7:18 PM

Sherrod Segraves said:

Carl, the elegancetech page is silly, but you're not doing much better.

POINT 2: While I'd agree that it's mostly a personal preference issue, VB really does have some cruft. It's a minor but valid point.

POINT 4: You can rail against the injustice as much as you want, but like it or not, their statement is true. It's not fair, but many C++ people view VB as a toy language.

Blaming the situation on people who report it is unreasonable.

The real cause is that C++ acts as a gatekeeper. It's such a pain to learn that only the dedicated use it much. On the other hand, VB has always been easy, so even a clueless hobbyist can release buggy shareware.

POINT 6: You are talking about a future version, not what's currently being sold.

Anyway, I used VB from version 1 to version 6. It was wonderful for utilities and small apps, but I found it extremely constricting at times. I preferred C++ for professional projects.

Now with .Net, VB is a more full-featured language, but it still doesn't have unmanaged code. (Yes, I need unmanaged code.)

Luckily, C# has most of the development speed and ease-of-use of VB combined with most of the power and respect of C++.

# July 12, 2004 7:25 PM

Wallym said:

VB.NET also has xml documentation. There is an addin available from gotdotnet to add it.

Wally

# July 12, 2004 7:38 PM

Thank you from Kinitos - Steven Woods said:

We just wanted to thank Tim for his two minute outburst 47 minutes and 10 seconds into this episode about our little Smart Client Management startup Kinitos :-)! It has been a pleasure for our guys to get to know Tim and his company Interknowlogy ... and no doubt this will require some significant co-endorsement along the way :-). Now maybe some other folks besides the Microsoft VS.NET guys will hear about Kinitos!

Thanks for your great show as always guys.

All the best,
The Kinitos Gang

--
Steven Woods
President/coFounder
Kinitos www.kinitos.com

# July 12, 2004 7:46 PM

Carl said:

> POINT 2: While I'd agree that it's mostly a personal preference issue, VB really does have some cruft. It's a minor but valid point <

I'll take a little cruft over C# any day. Therefore, it's my personal preference.

> POINT 4: You can rail against the injustice as much as you want, but like it or not, their statement is true. It's not fair, but many C++ people view VB as a toy language. <

Their statement is false. The statement "VB.NET is a toy language" Is false. The only way to say it truthfully is "There is a perception that VB.NET is a toy language."

The only reason there is a perception is because people make the statement. Since the peception is based on a falsehood, why wouldn't anyone rail against it. Are we not searching for the truth? Do we just embrace the lies? Is that what you're suggesting we do?

> Blaming the situation on people who report it is unreasonable. VB has always been easy, so even a clueless hobbyist can release buggy shareware. <

Take a dose of your own medicine. Blaming the buggy shareware on the language is worse than calling liars liars. It's the clueless hobbyist (as you call them) who is responsible for the buggy shareware.

> Anyway, I used VB from version 1 to version 6. It was wonderful for utilities and small apps, but I found it extremely constricting at times. I preferred C++ for professional projects. Now with .Net, VB is a more full-featured language, but it still doesn't have unmanaged code. (Yes, I need unmanaged code.) <

And this gets back to personal preference. Go ahead and use C# if you need it. I won't come to your house and tell you not to.

# July 12, 2004 7:57 PM

Daveo said:

My.Programming.Language.Is.Better.Than.Yours()

:)

# July 12, 2004 8:37 PM

Jason Olson said:

First of all, I will admit that I am actually a C# guy myself and love it. However, I totally agree with Carl that the reasons are total bull-honkey. With that said, I believe that choosing which language you use is mostly just a personal decision (it's all basically syntactical sugar anyways (since it all gets compiled down to MSIL (disregarding Unmanaged code of course))).

Even though I personally like C#, I work with both C# and VB.NET and there are specific things that I like about both languages. With VB.NET, there are two primary reasons that I love working with it when I do: background compliation, and the AddressOf operator (which is an *awesome* tool to have when working with delegates). I can't explain really why I prefer C#, I think it is as simple as me liking curly braces instead of "End If" kinds of things.

However, it is a pet peeve of mine when someone tries to say that C# is superior to VB.NET. This is totally bogus and it just tells me how un-informed the person actually is. After all, if you get rid of the level of abstraction, we are all just coding in MSIL to begin with (assuming all the codebase is managed). Both languages have their strengths and their weaknesses. I wish people could just deal with that and accept that fact. "I have a dream, where all languages are created equal", yada yada yada.

Nice post Carl! :)

# July 12, 2004 8:45 PM

Sherrod Segraves said:

Carl, you said: "Their statement is false. The statement 'VB.NET is a toy language' Is false. The only way to say it truthfully is 'There is a perception that VB.NET is a toy language.'"

But yheir website says: "C# is perceived as a 'real' language where VB.Net is still perceived as a 'toy' language."

They are stating the unpleasant truth, and it's exactly what you say they should say. Maybe they changed their website after you wrote your post?

# July 12, 2004 10:31 PM

Carl said:

No, I was just ranting. You're right of course. It still makes me mad that I rarely hear people saying "VB is a toy language" anymore. All I hear is that people percieve of it. Fair enough. Let's stop talking about the minority who keey saying the sky is falling, and shine a light on reality. Nuff said.

# July 12, 2004 10:49 PM

Brad Corbin said:

You guys missed the best one:

2. "Your developers will be more productive because they will work in a language that they like."

What, because C# is the FUN language? Parties with curly braces?

# July 12, 2004 11:49 PM

Jerry Pisk said:

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# July 13, 2004 12:16 AM

Scott Swigart said:

Find me a consulting shop that says they will charge you more if you insist on having it written in VB.NET. If all the stuff we argue about doesn't manifest itself in something measurable, then by definition, it doesn't matter.

# July 13, 2004 12:25 AM

Andrew Baum said:

While I am a csharper, I completely agree with you Carl. It's time for everyone to move on from these types for arguments. The types of people that continue to use these arguments are so rooted in the past they've failed to realize that its all about the Framework today, not the language. The analogy I commonly use is this: Say you need to write a letter to someone. You have a pen, a pencil and a piece of paper. C# is the pen and VB.NET is the pencil (or the otherway around), and the letter is the IL code. It doesn't matter which one you write it with, the letter's content is the same.

# July 13, 2004 3:11 AM

Frans Bouma said:

"Wrong.

VB.NET Whidbey has Operator overloading and XML Code Documentation."
Nope. VB.NET doesn't have operator overloading. It also doesn't have XML documentation generation, you need an add-on for that.

"> 7) Microsoft is actively adding new useful features to C# including generics, iterators, anonymous methods, and partial types.<

VB.NET 2005 has generics and partial types, so this argument is lame."
No, it's not. iterators and anonymous methods are not part of VB.NET 2005.

"Just use C# and shut up."
If I could I definitely would, Carl. But the sad thing is, I can't, as I also have to support VB.NET code :) When you have to do that, you run into all kinds of nice things, like this little fellah:

- derive a class from datatable
- add a memberfield
- try to serialize it over the wire using SOAP with the memberfield!

you can't in VB.NET, as it doesn't allow you to re-implement an interface member (ISerializable.GetObjectData(), which is implemented private in DataTable). THis requires that you derive your class in C#, and if you solely use VB.NET, you then have to create a C# project with this class.

There are more of these things which can bug you during development. No, not when you are dragging and dropping datareaders on asp.net forms to mimic MS' demos, but when you're doing real world software development, you can run into these issues.

I'd really like to create an Object query language with operator overloading. The problem is that I have to write a complete set of methods for VB.NET because it doesn't support operator overloading nor does it support implicit operator overload calling. (the BCL contains a lot of implicit conversion operators which are not used by VB.NET).

Language lameness like Public Overrides Overloads Function Foo() As Boolean (which overrides an abstract method, but I have to specify overloads!)... I can live with that, we have a clueless 'break' statement in case blocks which are totally meaningless because fall through is not supported anyway. It's the missing features that you run into when you want to do something in VB.NET which is possible in C# but not in VB.NET. THAT's what matters.

However after I've seen the MC++ enhancements for whidbey, I think we all should move to MC++ :)

# July 13, 2004 4:35 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> Nope. VB.NET doesn't have operator overloading. It also doesn't have XML documentation generation, you need an add-on for that. <

Um. VB.NET Whidbey has operator overloading AND XML Document generation. Look it up.

> I think we all should move to MC++

I'm not touching that one.

You bring up some good points. It's still not enough to make me switch.

# July 13, 2004 4:45 AM

Frans Bouma said:

"Um. VB.NET Whidbey has operator overloading AND XML Document generation. Look it up. "
Where can I buy VB.NET Whidbey? Version VS.NET 2008 also has great new features. And no-one can use them today.

Perhaps YOU should look up something, like the meaning of the words "Not yet available".

Today, tomorrow and even the first half of 2005 I can't use what you say that's available :)

"It's still not enough to make me switch."
That wasn't my intention, everybody should use what he/she thinks is best for his/her software development. That also means that if C# is better for some sort of software development, people shouldn't whine but switch, the same goes for the other way around of course. Like the constant stream of whining about E&C in C# or the lack thereof. If people like it so much, use the tool that has it. :)

# July 13, 2004 5:42 AM

Daren said:

I think one C#/VB.NET difference is even more simple than that.

Its a name thing. Sharp vs Basic

Now imagine you are non techy employer deciding who to hire or what wage to pay, you know nothing of curly brackets or overloads, do you pay more to the "Sharp Programmer" or to the "Basic Programmer" ?

Next your a software house selling a custom solution to your "hasn't a clue" customer, Do you say "We have a team of Sharp Programmers or a team of Basic Programmers ?"

OK, so all the VB houses will say "We have a team of .Net Programmers" but they are still bidding against the company down the road that has a "Team of Sharp .Net Programmers"

I think it is a marketing thing, perhaps it will change as business discovers it can get 5 vb programmers for the price of 4 c# programmers, but first it has to overcome the word BASIC, im not sure that will ever happen.

# July 13, 2004 6:24 AM

TrackBack said:

# July 13, 2004 9:46 AM

M Kenyon said:

Search for truth, it will be found.

I like not worrying about case, but still use case for my own pleasure. (VB.Net allows me to choose.)

It's also a matter of syntax. Csharpers sometimes come across with the attitude 'If you're not doing it the hard way, you're not a real programmer.' Maybe they don't say it outright, but it comes across...

Would you like to drive a car with an engine you build yourself, simply because a real driver builds his car from scratch? Silly really. If we want to do things the hard way, let's say a kit car, fine... it's a good thing to know how to do. But if your out their trying to get a solid product in short time, your not going to go and use something that restricts your speed.

Use the right tool for the job. If you can do the job faster in VB, do it. If C# is better for the job at hand, use that. If you have a team and can have some people that dabble in both, better yet.

Me, I'm VB. I came from the ranks of hobbyist, but would not consider myself hobbyist now. I stick with VB cause it does a professional job, but doesn't take me a lot of time.

# July 13, 2004 9:50 AM

Tom Vande Stouwe said:

It's about the money. If the C# community can get the perception that thiers is the 'Real Language' and has less resources, then they will be able to charge the client more for the work. Time to get some real world studies to see if 2 similiarly skilled developers can develop the same code in different languages and see who is the most productive.

I also teach VB.net and C#.net, and the studens seeing C# for the first time are intimidated by the syntax structure, where similiar students in thge VB.net courses bet teh syntax structure immediately. It is easier for them to read, and see errors. (I spend more time in the C# class checking for ;'s and that is just plain dumb)

Tom

# July 13, 2004 10:45 AM

Frans Bouma said:

Tom: well in VB.NET you have to check for '_' at the end of a wrapped line :) A C# developer hardly forgets a ';' like a VB.NET developer hardly forgets the '_', both because of the editor. If you develop C# or VB.NET in notepad for example, it would be much harder (and as I've done excessive C# to VB.NET porting in templates (thus no intellisense) I can tell you writing VB.NET without the VB.NET editor is no picknick ;))

# July 13, 2004 11:52 AM

Sean Harvell said:

I have used VB since VBDOS and currently use C# 70% of the time though I like the appearance of well coded Visual Basic.Net better…

>"VB.NET is a toy language"
I can pull up Visual Studio.Net – File > New > C# ASP.Net web application. I can drag a button on to the form. Double click the button and add 1000 lines of interface, business and data access logic directly into the Button1_Click event. I can do this in VB too without semicolons… In reality either language (as most languages) can be used ineffectively.

- I find often less technical individuals (customers) find it much easier to read and follow VisualBasic.Net code. It can be an advantage to explain simple logic sitting next to a user viewing clear written English on the screen. In a similar discussion using C# you would really have to go to diagram because it is much less readable to “the average person”. I personally know of developers who do realize that because C# code is not as easily read initially by an “untamed eye” due to additional syntactical elements and arrangements it is perceived as more complicated and also therefore perceived as “the more powerful language” and this is why they use it...

I develop mostly in C# because of the uneducated developers and companies you speak of that assume C# is better... Unfortunately when opportunities present themselves its easier to implement with C# then to evangelize why I should be compensated the same with VB.NET after showing them err of their misguided ways...

>“Saying one language is “better” than another is like saying Aramaic or Greek is better than English because that’s what the bible was written in and you can’t understand Christianity without reading and knowing these ancient tongues.”
Knowing Aramaic and/or Greek can be helpful in knowing actual words used and their original meanings prior to English and other translations such as Petros etc… We do have references for such not requiring us to memorize the entire language though….

# July 13, 2004 1:28 PM

Carolus Holman said:

A famous person once said, "Don't Mistake Kindness for Weakness." I would like to COOP that statement to, "Don't mistake Ease of Use for Lack of Power". Many people underestimate the power of simplicity, I remember a government employee telling me that MS-Word wasn't a real Word processor, Word Perfect would prevail in the end. Where is Word Perfect today? (Remember reveal codes?) When i first saw Word, I was hooked, when I first used VB.NET I was hooked. C# has too many syntactical anomolies for me to use easily. It's not that I am too stupid to understand it, it's just that I DON'T CARE or HAVE THE TIME to learn all of the syntax and place in my mental framework. Nice one Carl, it's time the gloves came off!

# July 13, 2004 1:41 PM

Joe Grenier said:

I'm surprised they didn't tout the "C# programmers are paid more" argument in the "For The Manager" section! Oh well, we all know managers are too dumb to look in that other column.

I actually really enjoyed the User Testimonials: "Great tool to develop the application in VB.Net as your preferred language but then deploy and expose the code as C#". Gee, and I thought you deployed assemblies, not source code. Back to the docs for me!

# July 13, 2004 3:19 PM

Dan Appleman said:

Well, despite being quoted here, I already weighed in on this topic in my ebook "Visual Basic .NET or C#: Which to Choose". There I go into a great deal of depth comparing the two languages and suggesting when you might want to choose one over the other. Right now it's really a wash - both languages have strengths and weaknesses.

I happen to personally prefer VB .NET because I really like background compilation - it makes me more productive. The lack of unsafe code doesn't bother me, because in applications where I really need unsafe code I'm doing a lot of mixing of COM/pointers and .NET, and for those I like to use C++ - which is really brilliant at mixing safe/unsafe/managed/unmanaged.

I'll be reviewing VB .NET and C# again, probably with the next Whidbey Beta. Based on what I've seen so far, I don't expect either to prove decisively better than the other.

The truth is, as any real .NET developer knows - it's not about the language, it's about the framework. Any C# developer worth his while can read and write VB .NET and vice versa.

Dan

# July 13, 2004 7:36 PM

Dan Appleman said:

Oh, and by the way... I did like Carl's response very much. Sometimes extremist zeolots need to be responded to with extremist zeolotry.

I took a slightly different swing at it in my recent VS Magazing article.

Dan

# July 13, 2004 7:39 PM

Kathleen Dollard said:

Great stuff :)

# July 14, 2004 12:05 AM

TrackBack said:

# July 14, 2004 5:04 AM

# July 14, 2004 1:41 PM

Joe Grenier said:

mike,
"I'm surprised that no one pointed out that the source of all this debate is a site whose business is specifically in converting VB code to C#."

That's kind of what I was getting at by poking fun at the "User Testimonials" and "For The Manager" sections of their site. What we've got here is clumsy marketing-speak, not true zealotry.

# July 14, 2004 2:43 PM

Kathleen Dollard said:

Well, its an old argument...

I want to weigh in and point out that they are different languages. It does matter which you work with. There are things better and worse in each, and each language team is focused on fixing different things. Frans is right that there's some oversights in interfaces in VB (I think Whidbey may address this one). But have you really tried to manage various scoping options in interface implementations in C# - its a piece of cake in VB. You can't shadow by name in C# at all. VB's declarative, C# isn't (except attributes). VB's like a partner, C#'s like a tool. Some people like tool's and C# works like a computer - which can be good if you like that. My sons prefer C#, I prefer VB.

My point is not that VB is better, but that its not just an unimportant casual preference, like for different types of chocolate. It's a match between the way you think and the way the language works. If I was a manager, I'd give this test to my developers. I could not afford the logic errors that would result if they're immediate (2 second) reaction was wrong. (You can translate to VB.NET)

int i = 2;
int j = 3;
if (i/j > 0) then
{ /* Is this code executed? */ }

Also, the salary survey that the website quoted was fatally flawed. It was from a time that far more C# programmers were consultants and far more VB.NET programmers were hires. The survey did not account for this, and comparing cash income from conslutants and hires is just stupid.

# July 14, 2004 9:17 PM

Bill Ryan said:

This debate is soooooo tired. Like Dan said, it's ALL about the framework.

# July 14, 2004 11:10 PM

Coding Horror said:

pingback

# July 15, 2004 12:05 AM

Sytelus said:

Why VB.Net is Better Then C#?

http://www.shitalshah.com/blog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=ea881384-4413-41d3-9c9c-0796fcad09da

# July 15, 2004 3:05 PM

Tony Miles [non zealous C# programmer!] said:

Sounded great to me - nice guitar playing & your voices go together very well I think.

# July 16, 2004 12:39 PM

Jeremy Marsch said:

What a thread this created!

I use C#, but I won't count myself an elitist -- I think that the whole .Net family is incredible technology.

For me, there is one interesting theme that plays through these C# vs VB arguments: There _are_ differences in the languages. We know that .net languages are allowed to be different, as long as they are compliant with some base rules.

For me, here's the million dollar question: Why do VB.Net and C# differ in the ways that they do? What's the message? What's the theme? Is there coordination between the C# and VB.net teams, where they decide what sensible differentiation to apply, or are the differences that we see just the result of open competition or at least a lack of coordination between the VB and C# teams?

There just doesn't seem to be a consitent plan dividing the features. And for that matter, should there be features absent from either language? If VB and C# are both built on .Net, and they both leverage the same framework, and are built by the same company, and they are both billed as industrial-strength languages, why shouldn't VB have every feature that is in C# and vice-versa?

# July 16, 2004 3:29 PM

vbNullString said:

These guys are selling their little program to convert from VB .NET to C#. So it makes sense for them to make up stupid reasons to convert VB .NET to C# to sell their crap.

# July 16, 2004 5:42 PM

Anthony said:

As a developer, power user, and trainer: I think multiple cursors can be wildly useful, even if not comprehensive.

I already run dual monitors, both on 22" monitors in 1600x1200. both with extra desktops provided by nView. I've 3 mice attacted. A MS Intellimouse Optical, A MS Trackball Explorer, and a 3btn Logitech wireless mouse.

At any moment, I'm (simultaneously) running Maya, 3DSMax, Visual Studio.NET2k3, a billion instances of Firefox, among other apps. I spend all day alt-tabbing through windows/desktops, working pretty quickly.

But it all comes to a grinding halt when my wife is ready to check her mail, but doesn't feel like booting her computer. Or when I'm running one app fullscreen and it captures a mouse. (Note that when writing programs, I'm of the conviction that input should never be "assumed". simply know there is a cursor - but not necessairly a mouse, it could be a glove, touchscreen, etc.)

If given a choice, however, I'd like the option of "spawning" additional cursors as I need them. The current API *can* be made to accomplish this. Simple "color" the mice to signify which mouse is what. Cursor #0 can be the "system" cursor. Which is affected by SetCursorPos() calls and whatnot. And is considered the primary cursor.

Spawned cursors can have a little number/color code, and can be bound to any additional controllers - namely mice/keyboards. When clicking non-DirectInput windows, they should function as normal. The windows API should simply feed the application data from the mouse/kb that last focused upon it.

Then while my wife is busy with her email and chatting. I'm only reduced to using part of a desktop, instead of being out a whole computer for a moment. Needless to say, this extends to training, or (gasp) multiple developers / 3D modelers using/sharing an application.

By augmenting the API, it should be possible to allow new Longhorn apps to natively have multiple cursor support. This would require apps to be truely event driven. Issues would arise from multiple simultaneous menu/button presses, however.

But overall, this would be a very interesting feature that if given some priority in completion as opposed to being constantly overlooked, could be a very good addition. (Put it in the "professional" version, PLEASE).

# July 18, 2004 1:47 AM

Tony said:

Could be a directx conflict, see this patch:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9cf87cda-c7f3-41a2-8ea3-cc4f03ff0e31&DisplayLang=en

# July 18, 2004 5:44 AM

M Kenyon said:

Rob Teixeira, I couldn't find the XML documenter.

# July 19, 2004 10:00 AM

Eddy Recio said:

I guess am chiming in a bit late, but I still want to make a point.

It seems like I have heard a similar argument before, I wonder where…. Ahhh yes, I have this very same argument all the time with “real” CS geeks, who think that using a “toolkit” like the .NET framework is for sissies. They can write wrapper classes better! They can make better parsers in their sleep! They can, well you get the point. While I don’t doubt that certain talented people can write a better framework than the folks at MS. Who cares! I need productivity, I don’t have the time to write it myself, so I’ll use what ever tool fits the job at hand! The square peg in round whole example Carl uses all the time! So it seems we should band together under the Framework and not which language. After all there are lots of CS depts. in colleges all over the country that still only teach C, C++ and Java, and , .NET is viewed as part of the Evil empires goal to take over the world. And so in closing, while the latter statement might be true (jk), let’s convince the low level folks that writing your own shell and parsers is not the way the real world moves, unless of course you’re working on a framework team ;).

My $5 worth!

# July 19, 2004 11:03 AM

Bruce Haslam said:

Three cheers for the "SLECT CASE" statement in Vb.net. This statement is flexible, elegant and powerful. C#'s is clumsy, constricted and downright ugly.

In my opinion, of course!

All you zealots, GET A LIFE!!!

Bruce

# July 19, 2004 1:01 PM

TrackBack said:

# July 19, 2004 9:38 PM

Dan K said:

Carl,

You also forgot to add that VB coders bathe and wash their hair more! Cleanliness is next to Gatesliness you know.

# July 20, 2004 12:31 PM

Carl said:

Well, it's really the C++ programmers that have dirty hair. :)

# July 20, 2004 1:27 PM

Dan K said:

Yeah well "those people" all look the same to me anyways.

# July 20, 2004 2:40 PM

Arthur Dzhelali said:

so home come she is in men's jail?

# July 20, 2004 2:49 PM

Vinnie Tripodi said:

A better name for this mag would be

Martha Stewart Living... Behind Bars

# July 20, 2004 2:54 PM

Cintask Airer said:

When do you think Cinemax will make the movie " (Porn Movie Title Goes Here)....it's a good thing"?

Funny, but wrong Carl... keep up the good post!

# July 20, 2004 6:43 PM

mikeb said:

A couple of minor points (note that I agree with Carl's main point):

"I often hear the rebuttal, 'VB.NET developers aren't savvy enough to use features like generics anyway' which is nothing but pompous fascist bullshit"

You should really have used 'elitist' instead of 'fascist'. I don't think this statement has anything to do with Fascism.

Also, I think that the Java/C# point might have a bit of merit. Not that C# projects will be converted to Java, but if you're a C# programmer looking for work, transitioning to a Java shop might be somewhat easier than for a VB.NET guy. This might well be a result of perception as much (or more) than actual ability.

Anyway, like you, I'm tired of the pointless language wars - particularly between C# and VB.NET - since the key to using either language effectively is in the Framework.

# July 20, 2004 8:49 PM

TomB said:

Coooool, can't wait.

# July 21, 2004 2:22 PM

Paul said:

Great... should be a good show. Jeff is a great speaker.

# July 21, 2004 4:07 PM

Paulo Correia said:

What mountain i have to climb to earn that?
Or maybe, wich pinguim must i kill ;)

# July 21, 2004 10:14 PM

Str@fe said:

HO-LY CRAP - This one is MINE!

System.This.M200.Belongs.To.Strafe!

Did I win?!

# July 21, 2004 10:22 PM

cyanbane said:

mmm...... tasty....

# July 22, 2004 12:35 AM

SBC said:

I am coming down to New London from W Hartford right now!!
;-)

# July 22, 2004 6:13 AM

M Kenyon said:

I'll beat you, I'm only in E Hartford! I was in N London Sunday... (Stalking Carl, waiting for the latest Swag!)

# July 22, 2004 8:25 AM

Rob R said:

Don't you guys have anything better to do with your time?

Grow up.

# July 22, 2004 8:31 AM

SBC said:

you do realize that Martha is moving quite near into your neighborhood (in Danbury, CT) ?
:-)

# July 22, 2004 8:39 AM

Carl said:

Well, she lives in Westport, CT. That's actually closer to New London than Danbury.

# July 22, 2004 1:27 PM

mike said:

:( i found i had some error and i cant work out y

# July 22, 2004 5:08 PM

Carl said:

what is it?

# July 22, 2004 5:20 PM

Amber said:

Hey you rock! Are you guys out of New London? Im in that area!

# July 22, 2004 5:22 PM

Amber said:

Carl,
It's not that C# is a better programming language than VB (even thought it really is). You are correct it is a personal preference. It's just that people who prefer C# are better.

anywho, I take it you are a VB Man. I was a VBer until I figured out c# is less typing. To me that is the major advantage. Less Verbosity.

# July 22, 2004 5:49 PM

Josh Baltzell said:

I don't think any of you understand how many times I have looked at that laptop. It will be mine.

# July 24, 2004 1:05 AM

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

Awesome!! I have been considering purchasing that Tablet for quite some time now... drooling....

# July 24, 2004 4:04 AM

Kevin Daly said:

I used to be a VB programmer (although that sounds like a fundamentalist preacher bullshitting about what a sinner he used to be) before I came over to the Dark Side and adopted C#, and I have to admit that I was disappointed that VB Script lost out to Javascript, partly because of its familiarity at the time, but also because I hated case-sensitivity.
I do find case-sensitivity in C# pretty painless with Intellisense though, and it's a big help with naming fields and associated properties (and parameters). I also prefer things like the casting syntax in C# - but this *is* just a personal preference, and there's nothing huge in any of it. The two languages really are functionally equivalent for all intents and purposes, and ideally I'd like to learn VB.NET properly to increase my employment opportunities (some places want C# developers, and some want VB.NET developers - so why not equip ourselves for both?).
If we agree that the C#/VB.NET language war is childish and stupid (which it is), consider how stupid the C#/Java language war is.

# July 24, 2004 4:28 AM

Stuart Hallows said:

As long as I don't have to listen to another two hours of Clemens Vasters I'm up for it!

# July 24, 2004 6:23 PM

Amber said:

Carl,
I really really want that tablet PC!! Did I mention I was in the Salivation Army!

Rock On!

# July 25, 2004 6:15 PM

Carolus Holman said:

Hey Carl (or Rory), try using this next time you URL-us to death...

http://www.tinyurl.com

# July 26, 2004 3:32 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

*Drools on screen*

# July 27, 2004 2:22 AM

benj said:

My personal preference is C#. I don't believe VB.NET should have come to exist at all, but I have begun to acknowledge its place for the thousands of VB developers out there. It is though, just syntactic sugar for those people, with only a skin-deep resemblence to VB6.

Point 2 - I would agree with. C# doesnt try to turn code into babytalk, rather allow developers to pick it up quickly because of it's remarkable similarity to Java, and it's syntactic similarity to C/C++, PHP, Java, JavaScript etc.

Point 3 - Is of course right.

Point 4 - Well, the reasoning for such comments should also be obvious, but I am a strong proponent of the 'Why make it more difficult than needs be' argument. I would have given this same argument more credit for VB6 because it was it's own language with it's own origins.

Point 5 - Wouldn't surprise me. But I am not in that team so what would I know?

Point 6 - Now come on.. Wrong? Because it's GOING to be in the next version? Would it be wrong to say VB.NET 2002 developers didn't have access to bitshift operators until 2003 came out?

Anyway, really I don't mind what people use until it affects my work directly, in which case I will of course TRY to steer clear of VB.NET

# July 27, 2004 3:15 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Umm does it have a wifi card in it?

# July 27, 2004 3:53 AM

Carl said:

Yes. WIFI is built in.

# July 27, 2004 2:08 PM

Chris Sells said:

Carl, we feel your pain, which is why we're building the concept of "Least User Access" into Longhorn, as described by Keith Brown in this article:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnlong/html/leastprivlh.asp

# July 27, 2004 3:04 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

I think that's a silly band-aid and makes no sense. RunAs isn't that hard, just Shift-Right-Click on Icons to expose RunAs. Hardly a hassle. I certainly don't want my priviledges to change based on something so transient as my connection status.

# July 27, 2004 3:06 PM

Ryan Rinaldi said:

Interesting thought, but I'm curious as to how connected is "online"? At work I'm connected all day, but that doesn't mean I'm attached to the big amalgamation of evil that is the Internet. XP doesn't know the difference between being connected to a network and being "online", and until it can I think your band-aid would still have you running with least-priviledge.

# July 27, 2004 3:22 PM

Carl said:

Good point, Ryan. I'm going for what I think is doable. It isn't possible for MS to rearchitect the kernel now so that it can walk the call stack looking for what program executed a vulnerability exploit and whether that app came from the Internet or not. That can work with managed code apps, but since the browser is never going to be rewritten with managed code it's not possible.

I don't think "upgrade to Longhorn" is the answer in every case, either. Longhorn is going to take a serious hardware upgrade for many people. From MS' perspective it might be too good to be true: Make security work in Longhorn and don't touch XP/2000 so that everyone will HAVE to upgrade just for security purposes.

I don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily. I just wish there was something better that ordinary slobs could do besides deal with RunAs all the time.

Scott, it's not a hassle for you, geekbrain! It is a hassle for my family, none of whom even know what an administrator is.

# July 27, 2004 3:33 PM

nospamplease75@yahoo.com (haacked) said:

But that creates another hassle for family members. Now they'll think they have to disconnect the network cable in order to install the latest cool program they downloaded off the internet. The program is free to do whatever at this point. Havoc ensues at this point, or when they re-connect.

# July 27, 2004 4:12 PM

Tom Vande Stouwe said:

Interesting, but I think the better solution would be to block all connection off the local lan when you are run as mode.

TOm

# July 27, 2004 5:01 PM

G. Andrew Duthie said:

Carl, have you seen:

http://weblogs.asp.net/Aaron_Margosis/

Aaron has some tools that reduce the pain of least privilege somewhat.

I think it's an interesting idea to block LAN communication while running as admin, but it really doesn't address the central issue, and it also would prevent things like Windows Update from working correctly, which would be...bad.

# July 27, 2004 11:11 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

w00t!!!!! That is so cool!!! *Drools on carls tablet pen*

# July 27, 2004 11:14 PM

Ken Park said:

Dude, I'm getting an error when submitting the second part of the survey.

# July 28, 2004 7:43 AM

TrackBack said:

# July 28, 2004 9:38 AM

ItDoesNotWork said:

Same here (Server Error in '/dnrforms' Application.)

# July 28, 2004 9:41 AM

Str@fe said:

It seemed to work for me - Yahoo! I'm the only one who can enter! I told you I was gonna win!

# July 28, 2004 9:47 AM

Carl said:

Ken, email me your selections and I'll see if I can duplicate the error. Right now I can't.

# July 28, 2004 10:09 AM

myeager@siriusware.com (Mike Yeager) said:

I got redirected back to the second page, but it then told me "good luck". Also, when I selected "Professional" level developer, the drop-down list of industries was disabled, so I'm in the "Communication Carrier" business!

# July 28, 2004 12:27 PM

Carl Franklin said:

To anyone who had problems, try it again. I was using session state with cookies. If you had cookies turned off all sorts of weird stuff will happen.

Anyway, we're cookieless now. :-)

# July 28, 2004 12:50 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Company type combo is still disabled when selecting Professional Developer.

# July 28, 2004 12:57 PM

Chris Bilson said:

Aaron Margosis's blog Rocks! I wish this was around 6 months ago (and that I had found it), when I first started running as non-admin. I'm sure everyone has seen Keith Brown's security wiki.

What I ended up doing was adding a toolbar to my task bar, with a whole bunch of .lnk's, to "runas /user:hostname\la /savecred "rundll32.exe shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL sysdm.cpl" for example. I have all of the things I ever use from the control panel, and MMC console with all my favorite snap-ins, a link to iexplore.exe running as local admin, which I use as a surrogate Explorer (as per Keith Brown), and a link to a command prompt window running as admin. It took me weeks to accumulate this stuff. It _really_ sucks when you are nitpicky, and want to see the icons for the things that are being runas, and have to change all the icons for the .lnk's.

Now that I have this folder, I can take it with me to all the machines I have to run on. Now running as a normal user isn't so bad and I kind of like it. It makes you stop and think before you do something stupid. Kind of like sudo on Unix.

The _only_ thing that still bugs me is that when I run Enterprise Manager as an admin, I can manage my local SQL Server, but need to switch to another console running as my domain account to manage other servers. It's too bad Enterprise Manager doesn't let you specify credentials per connection.

# July 28, 2004 4:17 PM

Chris Bilson said:

That was an awesome show! I sure hope you guys get him on .NET Rocks again.

# July 28, 2004 4:18 PM

Carl said:

Can you just Run IE as a regular User? Will that not do the trick?

# July 28, 2004 4:20 PM

Jeff Fansler said:

Many of the solutions that have been posted are good for geeks who know there way around windows, but run-as is not a solution for the average user. My family didn't even like it when they had to start logging in to their computers. They just want to turn it on and use it. IMHO this is one of the biggest problems with security right now. I have a younger brother who just received his first computer. It ran great for about a month. After that he started complaining about how slow it was. I took a peek at it and it had so much junk installed I was amazed. The only solution was to backup/format/re-install. This doesn't typically happen to me because I can make educated guesses about what software is dangerous and what isn't, but my little brother can't, and either can most computer users. If I setup my little brothers computer to use run-as, he would just use it to install the latest innocent looking totally useless spyware app.

I wish I had a solution. Heck I don't even know who to blame. For now, I resort to the backup/format/re-install every 6 months or so.

# July 28, 2004 4:33 PM

Peter Stathakos said:

Done and done.

Come to papa baby. BTW, Carl, there's some 25 year old scotch in it for you. And for Rory um, how about some cold hard cash?

# July 28, 2004 5:27 PM

Paul S. said:

Sorry Peter, this one is mine!! I must have entered at least 10 times. I didn't read anywhere that you could only enter once!! :)

# July 28, 2004 8:42 PM

Carl said:

Duplicates will be rejected, of course. :)

# July 28, 2004 9:58 PM

Paul S. said:

I figured as much. :)

# July 29, 2004 8:13 AM

Chris Bilson said:

Jeff,

Get Dan Appleman's book for your kid brother. Unless some miracle happens, we will always have security problems with computers connected to huge networks. If people want to use computers like this, they either have to learn to live with the security obligations, or relegate themselves to using only web based applications. It is the later case where running as a non-admin fits perfectly.

Carl,

Running only IE as a normal user sounds like a good solution, but there are about a dozen other applications that I use constantly that connect to the internet that need to be run as normal users too (RSS Bandit, Outlook, heck...even Word!)

It's easier just to run as non-admin and only runas admin for the things I really need to be an admin for. I have a well defined list of what those things are and just use my short-cuts. It's really pretty easy once everything is set up.

Just be prepared to be slightly less productive while you get used to it.

# July 29, 2004 9:07 AM

David V. Corbin said:

Point #7 is the real interesting one. The [microsoft] developers for Whidbey placed generics as #17 on their priority list. It was #1 on the list for the C# developers.

As (beta) shipment neared, it was apparant that they were NOT going to get to item #17. An uproar [internal to MS] occured, "We have to have generics BECAUSE C# does!".

As a result 6 items which were deemed more important than generics [by user survey, internal analysis, etc] were abandoned for this release!!!!

Now we hav a language wich supports a given feature, NOT because it was a top ranking request, NOT because it was internally deemed technically important, BUT simply to appease a complaint that was marketing related!

# July 29, 2004 12:58 PM

Jeff Fansler said:

That looks like a good book Chris, thanks. I already sent a link to my brother. I only see this as a short term (necessary) fix though. If car theft became a huge problem and the solution was that everyone had to read a book in order to secure their car, people would not be happy. Instead, car manufacturers use things like locks, alarms, and GPS tracking. These are all things that consumers accept without any concerns. I know comparing cars to software is a dangerous road to go down (no pun intended), but I really believe that security must be easy. Easy to the point where the majority users don't concern themselves with it. Of course some breaches will always happen, but where we are at now is mayhem.

# July 29, 2004 3:07 PM

francisco lopez said:

Carl,
Having similar problems here.

I think what will be nice to have is the ability to throtle (so to speak) your permissions at will while logged on. For example, if you need to do something requiring admin rights, you would click a button - raising perms to x - and that's that.

Just a thought.

# July 29, 2004 6:11 PM

Iain said:

I thought that it was obviously open to people outside america because the form lets you enter your country.

Unfortunately, being in a different timezone and all, It's not easy for me to arrange to be telephonable between 10 and 12 US Eastern (I'm in AU EST, which is +14 or so hours relative to you). Is that going to be a disqualify me?

# July 31, 2004 12:35 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It would be great to call the winner on the show, but it's not necessary.

# July 31, 2004 12:48 AM

Meh said:

Now if only the web form wasn't throwing an exception...

# July 31, 2004 1:53 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Try it again. It does work. We've collected over 1600 entries, and I just tried it again.

Turn cookies on?

# July 31, 2004 2:03 AM

Meh said:

It happens when you enter a non-integer value in the "How many developers are there in your organization" question of the form. I originally put down 'Unsure'.

# July 31, 2004 2:49 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Aha. It's the old evil input thing.

# July 31, 2004 2:50 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

lol if I "Won" then my mom would probably answer the phone cause I'm at school. ;-)

# July 31, 2004 3:38 AM

James D. Beine said:

Oohhhh!!! how I would love to win a Tablet PC! I guess sucking-up isn't going to do any good. Is this a completely random selection or is there a definite and meaningful selection process? If this contest's rules are posted somewhere, and I just overlooked them; please direct me. Kudos to DNR for the .NET Rocks! Tablet PC Listener Giveaway. PS: Carl, if sucking-up will indeed help my chances, I am there! - JB.

# July 31, 2004 10:25 AM

Carl said:

Well, James, sucking up is always appreciated, but in this case it won't help. My computer is going to pick one lucky entry at random.

# July 31, 2004 10:28 AM

James D. Beine said:

That's cool. Pleease forward this to your computer just-in-case: Carl's computer is the best computer on the net! -JB.

# July 31, 2004 11:07 AM

Diapk said:

good

# August 1, 2004 1:52 AM

Daveo said:

Evil input? Nooo, evil validation. :)

# August 1, 2004 5:50 PM

M Kenyon said:

Can we enter more than once?

# August 2, 2004 1:26 PM

Carl Franklin said:

You can enter as many times as you like, but we'll only consider your entry once. :-)

# August 2, 2004 1:59 PM

Samboy Lims said:

This is an absolutely great, great episode! I must say even the 2 hours seemed not enough for my listening because Kimberly was so witty and very eloquent on her topic. Now I understand why she is called the SQL Server Goddess! Please have her again in your show!

# August 3, 2004 9:03 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, that was an exceptionally great show, wasn't it?

# August 3, 2004 9:17 PM

Ian Blackburn said:

About your computer picking the lucky entry at random, will you be using System.Random? And if so what will be your seed value? I don't know how I could use this information but it gives me hope...

# August 6, 2004 7:01 AM

Carl said:

Yes, I'm going to use System.Random, seeded with Now.Ticks.

There are currently about 2500 entries.

Do you feel lucky now?

# August 6, 2004 7:40 AM

Ian Blackburn said:

hmmm, could you tell me *exactly* when you plan on running that bit of code, how many times you will run it, and precisely how many entries you currently have, and if new entries are added sequentially with duplicates deleted from the start. Please?

Ian

# August 6, 2004 12:01 PM

Carl said:

Sure. Would you like me to ship it to you by UPS or FedEx?

# August 6, 2004 1:05 PM

What is the Point? said:

Not sure why you have this Martha Stewart parody on your site. This is a .NET site (so I thought). The joke is not original and seems off-color.

Seems you should stick to .NET topics, or at least programming topics in general.

# August 6, 2004 2:21 PM

Subah said:

i think Acer TravelMate 303XMi is the best , becouse its have every thing , is there any body with me ?

# August 10, 2004 9:10 PM

RPS said:

What are the main arguments for/against case-sensitivity in C#? I like being able to use TitleCase for my methods and properties, and thisCase for my parameters and fields. (I hate using under_stupid_scores for things.

# August 11, 2004 12:51 PM

Get off Carl's Back... said:

I thought it was funny. Don't rag on Carl... Oh wait, is this Martha?!?

# August 12, 2004 9:42 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Dot Net Nuke sounds pretty cool! But I don't trust giving out my personel information to something like this.

# August 16, 2004 3:37 AM

Maxim V. Karpov said:

It should be a good show. I will tune in.

[www.ipattern.com do you?]

# August 16, 2004 4:55 PM

Clarke Scott said:

http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/clarkescott/archive/2004/08/17/22254.aspx

# August 17, 2004 1:30 AM

Anonymous said:

Hopefully there wont be Not-So-Cool toys that link to gay porn sites?

# August 18, 2004 7:07 PM

Carl said:

???

# August 18, 2004 7:21 PM

Casey said:

Has anyone else heard about freeipods.com? It's actually legit! I couldn't believe it, but I read this wired article, and it confirmed my hopes:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,64614,00.html

If you're interested, sign up here:
http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=8093990

# August 19, 2004 5:09 PM

TrackBack said:

Petzold

# August 20, 2004 10:10 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Are you going to do it with Devconnections? If there are any free nights around devconnections, (because I remember every evening there was some sort of party goin' on already), this sounds like a good idea. Also in the party @ devconn, we should have some well known top geeks go to the stage and geek out - obviously remembering that geeks are bad as comedians, so it has to be impromptu and light hearted.

# August 20, 2004 4:44 PM

Carl said:

Kimberly Tripp wrote me back with this comment:

> It would be interesting to see how many people would pay just to hang out? You might need to offer lectures or something and once you get into that you have a whole bunch of logistical nightmares... <

I don't want it to be another conference, but maybe a few topical panel discussions would be good, if we can get the room.

# August 20, 2004 4:46 PM

Carl said:

> Are you going to do it with Devconnections? <

This is certainly a good idea, and the though had crossed my mind to piggy back with DevConnections somehow.

# August 20, 2004 4:47 PM

Don Kiely said:

Great idea! Count me in (it still stings that I had to miss the Redmond gathering), but I can't do it *after* DevConnections.

I would actually prefer it separate from a conference. There is plenty of geeking out there, and it would be fun to meet somewhere/somewhen else in a different place.

# August 20, 2004 4:50 PM

Richard Campbell said:

The three cheapest places to fly to for just about every one are Las Vegas, Phoenix and Orlando. They also happen to be places that are relatively cheap to stay at, and to get space for a party in.

Personally, I like Vegas best.

# August 20, 2004 4:53 PM

ActiveNick said:

Great idea... whether it's at DevConnections, in New London or whatever, count me in. I can be the token Canadian if you want (although I'm a New Yorker now).

Seriously, either you could have a small cover (less than 25$) for the venue and then people buy their own drinks, or you can charge more and have an open bar... but I recommend the former.

As for geeking out, having a stage and do some jam sessions, stand-up comedy and such would be great. I'd bring my djembe drum and I might also try some stand-up... I'm sure others would join in.

I would steer clear of official panels and such, and while people would surely talk tech there, it should definitely be more of a party than a conference sideshow... kinda like the old Geekfests... I miss those.

# August 20, 2004 4:55 PM

Chris Sells said:

If I'm going to hang out with my friends in Vegas, I don't expect to spend any time next to a computer. : )

# August 20, 2004 5:18 PM

Carl said:

My thoughts exactly. This is all about fun, networking, and fun.

# August 20, 2004 5:20 PM

Roy J. Salisbury @ VsDevCentral said:

Great! I live in Vegas, so it will be easy for my to attend something like this. I just wish MS would have more stuff here (such as the PDC).

# August 20, 2004 5:37 PM

Don Kiely said:

I don't think that you should put a big emphasis on "attendees". Advertise it, let people know that they can come hang out with some cool people, and geek out however they want. I see it as a way to hang out with friends, do some fun stuff, and maybe--but not importantly--learn some stuff. The social networking part of the conference experience.

# August 20, 2004 5:45 PM

Rob Windsor said:

Hey Carl,

Great idea! Looking at those who've responded so far maybe the weekend should be for Canadians only. Oh, plus you, Rory and Geoff... and I guess Chris should come too since he got screwed out of the Tablet contest... oh, and Don Kiely because anyone who lives north of Medicine Hat has to have some Canadian in him...

# August 20, 2004 6:01 PM

Don Kiely said:

Just thought I'd mention that there are great airfares to Fairbanks during the winter!

# August 20, 2004 8:06 PM

James Steele said:

Great idea Carl.

I have already booked for Devconnections so that would be great timing.

# August 20, 2004 8:58 PM

Mark Dunn said:

You might want to check with the hotels regarding space. If you can get 200+ people to stay at a particular hotel and possibly gamble, I bet they will give some free space for meeting times and probably some discounts on the room as well.

If my schedule permits, count me in as well. I also find the foocamp idea fascinating. Get some sponsers to give away some goodies and I believe plenty of listners would find that a $99 value for the weekend. A bunch can probably write it off as a company expense.

My .02,

-mark

# August 20, 2004 9:22 PM

Dan Appleman said:

I know it may not be practical, but I think it would be fun to do it on a cruise ship. During the off season they aren't too expensive. Carnival's Fantasy class ships have a card room and library that are almost always emtpy. We could cut a deal with the cruise ship for discounted Internet access.

Dan

# August 20, 2004 10:25 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

Hm.... www.geekcruises.com ?

# August 21, 2004 4:58 AM

Rob Windsor said:

The cruise is a good idea if you want what Geek Cruises offers but I don't think it works for what Carl's talking about. You can't really cruise for a weekend or on a tight budget while Vegas allows the option for both.

# August 21, 2004 6:16 AM

Marshall Brooke said:

Carl,

There is also the Interlocked.Increment method which takes a reference to an Int32/64 variable and atomically adds 1 to it. I'm not sure about the performance implications over Synclock/lock, but it may perform better for just incrementing an int.

best

Marshall

# August 22, 2004 9:30 AM

Carl said:

Yes indeed. Good point. It's hard to come up with a good synclock demo that doesn't generate a lot of data

# August 22, 2004 10:36 AM

Kevin McNeish said:

Sounds like a great idea...If you can get Markus Egger to wear lederhosen and give yodeling lessons you could probably charge at LEAST $99.

# August 22, 2004 4:16 PM

Karim M Garza said:

Great Carl!

My wife and I are planning on a trip to Las Vegas, maybe I can try to go on the weekend that you guys are going to be there.

# August 23, 2004 9:52 AM

Kathleen Dollard said:

I think it would be great to ensure that the bulk of the events were held where the under 21 crowd could attend. There are a lot of brilliant young programmers that are financially cut out of most conferences. I do not know Nevada's laws regarding minors.

And Fairbanks is beautiful in the winter. It would be a great place for it. The Princess or maybe Chena Hot Springs should be able to hold us and we could go out walking on the river.

# August 23, 2004 10:21 AM

DonXML Demsak said:

I don't know if this is possible, but maybe we can do this Vegas thing the weekend after Chris Sells' XML Dev Con (Oct 20 & 21)? A bunch of us will be travel out west anyway, and then we can fly down to Vegas, hang, and then go home. Probably not enough time to pull it off, but I thought I'd suggest it.

# August 23, 2004 10:31 AM

Brian Kuhn said:

I would pay to go to Vegas just to hang with the DNR crowd, regardless of whether their is a confernece going on, but that would make it easier for me to get work to pay for travel. Looking forward to seeing more details.

# August 23, 2004 10:40 AM

Barry Gervin said:

Can't see the cruise happening - but can't find a good reason why Vegas isn't the best choice.

# August 24, 2004 12:58 AM

Paul Vick said:

Hey, sounds like fun!

# August 26, 2004 1:32 PM

Jeff Houck said:

Count me in I have needed an excuse to go to Vegas why not do when you can get the good speakers if they have COMDEX 2004 it had been scheduled to open November 14 I am not sure if it is still.

# August 27, 2004 9:04 PM

Casey said:

Has anyone else heard about freeipods.com? It's actually legit! I couldn't believe it, but I read this wired article, and it confirmed my hopes:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,64614,00.html

If you're interested, sign up here:
http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=8093990

# August 28, 2004 3:35 PM

# August 30, 2004 7:44 PM

Jim Duffy said:

I'm not going to be attending DevConnections and will have just been in Vegas for the Advisor show in early October so odds are (get it? odds are, you know Vegas and all, Oh never mind!) you won't be seeing me.

Jim

# August 30, 2004 11:24 PM

ActiveNick said:

I'm getting in a day early on Saturday as I have never been to Vegas and wanted to party a bit, so any night, including Saturday night, works for me, I'll be there.

# August 31, 2004 4:12 PM

Carl said:

Well, now I'm leaning toward Saturday, which will work better for anyone who is coming down JUST for the party.

All in favor?

# August 31, 2004 4:21 PM

ActiveNick said:

Brian... I sure hope spouses are welcome... more chicks for me to flirt with... *wink*

# August 31, 2004 4:25 PM

DonXML Demsak said:

I'm flying in on Friday and staying until Mon. so either works for me.

# September 1, 2004 8:57 PM

doesn't matter said:

.... your post at
http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/3944.aspx#4017
is some funny funny funny assed shit

humm hummm

carry on

# September 2, 2004 8:51 AM

TrackBack said:

# September 3, 2004 12:05 AM

TrackBack said:

# September 3, 2004 12:06 AM

Mike M said:

Not planning on going to Devconnections, but would definitely be there for a party. Nov. 6th works for me.

# September 3, 2004 10:28 AM

Kory M said:

I'm not planning on Devconnections either, but would love to come to the party. Am I correct in assuming that this is an open invite for any DNR fans that can get out there?

# September 3, 2004 11:41 AM

Carl said:

Yes indeed! All are welcome!

# September 3, 2004 3:42 PM

Carl said:

Yes indeed! All are welcome!

# September 3, 2004 3:42 PM

Carl said:

>>.... your post at
http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/3944.aspx#4017
is some funny funny funny assed shit <<

Yeah... that was fun.

# September 3, 2004 3:49 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Carl I was gonna listen live on Thursday but I couldn't join the server.

# September 6, 2004 4:53 AM

Josh Baltzell said:

That sounds like quite a process to get it on there. When can we expect to see the video?

# September 6, 2004 6:28 PM

NJ John said:

Damn you people all to hell! I'm wearing a tin foil hat from now on.

A few weeks ago, I was e-mailing back and forth with skateboarder Tony Hawk's webmaster, Jaime, about some typo's I found on their site. Somehow it came up that he ran a goof site called MenWhoLookLikeKennyRodgers.com.

When you started the World Wide Weird segment recently, I kept saying to myself that I *have* to submit that one for the show. I'm just downloading the show now, and looking at the links list it appears that somehow, you beat me to the punch. Coincidence? I think not.

Damn you people! Stop stealing my thoughts! Arrrrggghhh!!!

# September 6, 2004 7:22 PM

NJ John said:

Um, it's Rogers, no "d". I fixed the Url.

# September 6, 2004 7:24 PM

Fred Beiderbecke said:

What about the media? I haven't found any that looks anywhere near affordable. Are the prices dropping or was this an expensive experiment?

# September 8, 2004 11:44 AM

John Deary said:

Carl,

What company are you using to burn the dvd?

We were looking to do a factory pressed DVD for our site to avoid + and - compatibility issues. We opted to press our own this time around because of the expense. Did you find someone local to do it?

Thanks,
John

# September 8, 2004 1:10 PM

TrackBack said:

As Carl Franklin says, the Amazon web service is quite painless to use from VB.NET. I will be offering a VB.NET app that uses this service to help you build collections and write reviews of your stuff – DVD’s, video games, books, etc. I’ve also made a ...

# September 9, 2004 5:13 PM

David Cumps said:

I just read this in 'Developing Web Apps with VB.NET & C# MCAD' today as well :) And it sure looks very nice :) They used an example with showing the ImageUrl

# September 9, 2004 7:29 PM

Erick Sgarbi said:

Yeah. It is much better now as you are pointing out Carl. I remember when this sdk was extremely hard to handle and the only way was to post query strings or create the Soap envelops yourself.

Thanks for this great follow up.

# September 10, 2004 5:45 AM

Todd Follansbee said:

Rolling Stone just called Ray the Van Morrison of the back woods. Quite a compliment!
You can also listen to a couple of his songs from his web site. Check it out.
He was also just featured down her on the hippest NY Radio Station for non-commercial music WFUV listener supported.
Ray is on the way, much deserved.

# September 14, 2004 3:59 PM

Matt Young said:

CodeRush Eval bullsh*t

Check this out, I download the CodeRush eval version and it expires the next day.

So I email support@devexpress.com and get a load of the reply.

--------------------------------------------

Hi Matt,

Sorry, in the near future we are not going to release another trial version with extended evaluation period of our plug-ins. As a solution, you may purchase our product to continue its investigation. All our products are covered with an unconditional 60-day money back guarantee which allows you to try them risk free.

Thanks,

Max
_______________________________________________
To help us support your needs best, please do not delete any portion of this message when replying to us.

________________________________

From: Matt Young
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:35 PM
To: support@devexpress.com
Subject: CodeRush Eval

Hey, I just listened to Mark Miller on dotnetrocks
<http://www.franklins.net/dotnetrocks/> and downloaded and installed the
CodeRush eval today.

Now the CodeRush Eval is prompting me that it will expire tomorrow. What
gives?

Matt Young
Software Developer/Technical Lead
CHAMP Software Inc.
www.champsoftware.com

# September 15, 2004 11:14 AM

John Major said:

I live in Vegas, let me know if you need anything to get this going. I will get as many of the local user group as I can to also attend.

John

# September 15, 2004 5:43 PM

codeguydotcom said:

Yup, I ran into the same problem... If I can not try the tool out for at least a couple of days there is no way ill drop a bill for it... So you can’t pour syrup on shit and call it a pancake… It is certainly visually appealing but I want to be able to test it a bit with a few large and real projects to verify its not shit on the inside causing me a loss of productivity in the end… If you’re ballsy enough to offer a demo of your app provide enough time for your potential sale to demo it. Be realistic understanding your average developer has little “idle” time and will get a phone call etc. after the tool install and the real heavy evaluation doesn’t occur until at least a day or more after… -sean

# September 16, 2004 1:00 AM

Dustin Campbell said:

Unfortunately, the evaluation build of CodeRush is set to shut down after a specific date. That is, it does not have a mechanism to shut down a certain period after installation.

The expired evaluation version of CodeRush for Visual Studio .NET on website was due to several factors. Originally, we had intended to post a new version on Monday, September 13th. However, at the last moment we discovered a few "show stopper" bugs that kept us from releasing. This was complicated by the fact that we were at VS Live most of this week.

Our current plan is to release the new version early next week (Monday or Tuesday) with a brand new evaluation. We truly apologize for this inconvenience but, if you can wait until next week, you'll be able to evaluate a much-improved CodeRush with new features that we showed for the first time at VS Live.

Best Regards,
Dustin Campbell
Developer Express, Inc

# September 17, 2004 2:03 PM

mailto:wf@k.st said:

Thats Great! I enjoyed listening to this one. BTW, when are going to have Paul Wilson (http://weblogs.asp.net/pwilson/archive) in your show? He is an MVP and got some interesting stuff for .NET lately.

# September 20, 2004 3:40 AM

Ian Blackburn said:

You can sample Trouble, Shelter, and Jolene at http://www.q4music.com/nav?page=q4music.now.feature&fixture_news=1235388 - this is the first time I have heard Ray - and it sounds good to me. Actually his voice on Trouble reminded me somewhat of Ted Hawkins (http://www.the-bunker.org/ted/ted.html), whom I have on vinyl and I haven't listened to for an age (I have to get my vinyl transfered to digital sometime soon) - that is some voice!

Anyway I've ordered the cd today - looking forward to it. Thanks for the heads-up!

# September 20, 2004 6:10 AM

Josh said:

Excellent stuff! Picked up the CD this weekend and was not disappointed. Thanks, Carl!

# September 20, 2004 6:54 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Man this was one of the best .NET Rocks shows I've ever listened to!

# September 20, 2004 8:29 PM

Joe Duffy said:

Not sure if this is "the poster" that you referred to at the beginning of the show, but there's a massive .NET Rocks poster on floor 3 (maybe 4) of bldg 42 (the bldg in which the CLR, Indigo, ASP.NET teams live).

# September 21, 2004 1:55 PM

TrackBack said:

# September 21, 2004 9:23 PM

Casey said:

I love your show! I've recently started listening to your show on my new, free iPod. It's great!! If you're wondering, the whole free iPod thing is for real:
http://caseypicker.blogspot.com/2004/09/moment-has-arrived.html

# September 22, 2004 4:45 PM

dsuspense said:

Have you managed to "tab" any of your own music, like New London Blues.
I wanted to learn it on guitar...

# September 23, 2004 3:00 AM

Carl said:

No, unfortunately. I'd love to, though.
I'm thinking of getting a MIDI hookup for my guitar, in which case I'll be able to create charts and TAB more easily.

Carl

# September 23, 2004 8:16 AM

TrackBack said:

# September 23, 2004 10:49 PM

TrackBack said:

# September 23, 2004 11:08 PM

dsuspense said:

I would say pick up Guitar Pro, really good tab software that allows you to create/play guitar, keyboard and drum tabs. Really cool.

# September 29, 2004 3:24 PM

Twyford said:

Nice show. I just listened to it. First time listener and quite impressed. Keep up the good work.

# September 29, 2004 4:19 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Sooo whoze the next guest? :) (Tommorow night right?)

# September 30, 2004 1:55 PM

Mack D. Male said:

Awesome to see Carl! There is a new iPodder.NET project started at SF: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipoddernet/

# October 2, 2004 5:55 PM

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

Besides iPodder (www.ipodder.org) are there any other podcasting aggregators around?

# October 3, 2004 2:20 AM

Shital Shah said:

I guess loads of DNR listerns needs this badly. It would be nice to see link to this along with your MP3 downloads:

http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/08/31/25983.aspx

# October 4, 2004 2:58 AM

Stefan Cullmann said:

I use to hear your great .NET rock show on my Sony Ericson k700 cellar phone. It has about 40MB RAM, so I can't get a total show onto it.

I convert them to .mp4 (32kbit/s, mono), cutted into small peaces of half an hour (instead of bookmarks).
So I get the show down to 25 MB.

# October 4, 2004 6:57 AM

Simon Jefford said:

You can also test by using the same feature in iTunes itself. Play the file in iTunes then switch to another track. Go back to your new audiobook file and play it. It should play from the same place.

# October 4, 2004 7:07 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Good idea. I'll link to it.

# October 4, 2004 7:57 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, it works for us in iTunes, but we don't have an iPod to try it on.

# October 4, 2004 8:00 AM

TrackBack said:

.NET Rocks! now available in bookmarkable iPod format

# October 4, 2004 9:06 AM

Luke Hutteman said:

Thanks Carl! I'll make sure to try it on my iPod tonight!

# October 4, 2004 9:18 AM

Jim Brittan said:

It does work, this is what I started to do with the WMA's I downloaded previously. I would let iTunes convert it and then rename it from m4a to m4b.

# October 4, 2004 9:31 AM

Sahil Malik said:

So who is the next guest?

# October 4, 2004 3:42 PM

Luke Hutteman said:

Works like a charm on my iPod!

# October 4, 2004 10:10 PM

Jackie said:

British Broadcasting Radio2 played Ray's 'Trouble' on their Album charts show last week. Wow! Stopped me in the middle of carpeting the stairs to stand in awe at the sound he creates!! Am about to order a copy and will be plaguing all other radio stations to play it.

# October 5, 2004 1:43 PM

Casey said:

It worked great!!! I have it working on the iPod that I received free from freeipods!!

# October 5, 2004 4:24 PM

Tim said:

Wow.
Kudos folks. Thank you for taking care of us.

# October 6, 2004 12:11 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Our goal is to get as many listeners as humanly possible, so we're committed to accomodating our listeners in any way we can.

In fact, we're going to convert all the old shows to the bookmarkable iPod format as well!

# October 6, 2004 12:16 PM

Casey said:

Yes!!! That's exactly what I was wanting to hear!!! Thanks Carl!!

# October 8, 2004 9:54 AM

dank said:

Hey Carl, can you re-release all the DNRs on 8-track format. Thant's all I have in my Gremlin, so hook me up!

# October 8, 2004 1:43 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Oh man !! I am looking forward to this one. I have so many unanswered questions about longhorn.

Ask him about Button.Content being an object, and why wasn't that done using generics instead?

Specifically this - http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/sahilmalik/archive/2004/10/08/28105.aspx

I'll be there tonight.

# October 8, 2004 1:51 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

I was a "Live" listener but just like last week I got interrupted so I listined to the show again. :-(
This time by a friend coming over.
Anyway catched up with the show just then. I though it was great to have Chris Sells back on the show!
Oh yeah, DOOM 4 ON AVALON WOULD RULE!!!!

# October 11, 2004 3:48 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I agree. Chris is so easy to listen to no matter what he's talking about, and he certainly "gets" what we're doing with DNR.

# October 11, 2004 4:11 AM

TrackBack said:

# October 12, 2004 4:31 AM

TrackBack said:

# October 12, 2004 4:40 AM

NJ John said:

Once again Chris was great! What a friggin' genius. Starting now, for the rest of my life I'm going to begin every sentence with "so" in order to try and emulate his excellence.

So, who is the guest *tonight*??

# October 15, 2004 4:26 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Carl,

Lets have a show without a guest for a change. We should pick and choose some relevant topics that are high argument traffic, and try and come up with interesting strategies of what the right way to attack those problems are.

1. Datasets vs. datareaders
2. Stateful vs. statelessness.
3. Saving milliseconds on your windows form at the cost of giving up code readability and design (this one drives me bannanas).

.. That just might be an awesome show .. think about it :)

_ Sahil
http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/sahilmalik

# October 15, 2004 8:11 PM

Henry said:

Wow. You discover podcasing and a few moments later you created a company? That's awesome! I had no idea that companies were that easy to start!

# October 16, 2004 1:17 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Well, it was already a company but now it's got a new purpose!

# October 16, 2004 2:35 PM

SBC said:

Hey Carl - congratulations on the 'podcasting' and the 'Wired' mention.
Now we have a new topic for your presentation at the CT .NET SIG (www.ctdotnet.com) in the near future.
:-)

# October 16, 2004 10:52 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Podcasting works on other Mp3 players right?

# October 17, 2004 11:26 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sure does. Not specific to iPods.

# October 17, 2004 11:28 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Wicked! That meanz I can get that hot Creative Zen "Touch" ;-)

# October 18, 2004 2:16 AM

M Kenyon said:

Love it when an example drops right into VS with no code errors... so many are sloppy posting their examples. Thanks.

I'll try this out.

So, you can keep the Button and it's Click event handler private as long as you raise the public event? I thought you needed to keep all three public. I wonder why I thought that...

I also like how you declared your properties and the private variable they return. Keeps it all together...

Wow... what a great example, I was just working on doing a control. I understand you need to place info into the view state so the control persists correctly. Any good tutorials on Why/How/When to work with the viewstate? I've dinked around with getting html objects to manually fire events and pull the info out of viewstate, but I was just following example. I didn't really understand what/why I was doing it. (Well, I know what I wanted to accomplish, I just didn't know why this was it.) So... viewstate, teach me yoda.

# October 21, 2004 9:03 AM

Mike said:

Well, it's a start. It would be more cool if it was an actual shopping cart control that could hold multiple shopping cart items, which you could databind to. Maybe somebody will extend the idea. It works nice as an example of a webcontrol though.

# October 21, 2004 9:43 AM

Brian Swanson said:

I'm laughing right now...Watching Carl do a webcast for Microsoft on Server Side State Management, and he's working in VS.NET and I see a reference in his "find" toolbar to this shopping cart control.

# October 21, 2004 11:18 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Mike,

You can bind to it. That's the idea. Use it in a Repeater or DataList, and bind the Price, Description, ImageURL, ProductName, and NavigateURL properties to a data source.

# October 21, 2004 1:40 PM

Darren Neimke said:

LOL... great stuff :-)

# October 22, 2004 1:52 AM

Wiggles reference.... said:

I watched this little clip with my son in the room. Now if anyone has small children right now, (under 4) you might be acquainted with the Wiggles, those colorful bunch of singers from Australia who are marketing all sorts of stuff to my son.

My son, who just turned 3, watched this video with me, turned to me and said....

They're all Jeffs! they're all Jeffs!

Forgive me if no one gets this Wiggles reference. Carl, tell my boss I need to be trained!!!

# October 22, 2004 8:58 AM

NJ John said:

Hahaha! "Wake Up, Jeff!"

Good clip, Carl.

# October 22, 2004 9:25 AM

Sam Gentile said:

Nice clip! Feed them StarBucks!!

# October 22, 2004 10:03 AM

Paul S said:

Very funny...I've taken your class before and don't remember getting that much sleep. :)

My 3 year old loves Jeff!!

# October 22, 2004 11:32 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Carl, you need to have a TCP/IP session with them - Take Caffeine Periodically/Intravenously preferred.

And what's up with that beard man !!!!

# October 22, 2004 5:16 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Beard: It's one of the last male rituals I have left that's socially acceptable. :-)

# October 22, 2004 6:22 PM

The PWOP Show said:

Brand the PWOP name for the site with the Monday show. Make it easy to remember.

# October 23, 2004 5:37 PM

PWOP Rocks! said:

Work a bit with the branding you've already established for .NET Rocks.

-E Ruthruff

# October 23, 2004 5:38 PM

Michele Leroux Bustamante said:

It's Monday, and we ain't got shit to do.

(From the movie "Friday")

# October 23, 2004 5:45 PM

Danilo said:

A couple of ideas form an almost tablet PC winner:

Mondays: Not Fit To Print

Mondays: Start your week off with a bang
(oh wait that's dating advice)

Modays: broken due to a case of emergency

And the ever popular:
Mondays: We don't need no steeenkin' tagline

# October 23, 2004 6:05 PM

Dave Winer said:

Carl, every time some new form of communication there are always people to say it's unnecessary or no one wants it. I've even been one of those people from time to time. ;->

Your friend's mistake is that this isn't a replacement for PowerPoint, it's a replacement for drive-time radio, or radio listened to while exercising, or radio not listened to on long airplane flights or drives. (Where reception is non-existent or only idiotic right wing idealogues are available. They can be entertaining, but after a while you yearn for some adult conversation.)

Anyway, PowerPoint, which btw, I had a hand in inventing, is a disaster for communication, it should be wiped off the face of the earth, a crutch for freaked-out speakers, and the people who have to listen to someone wade through a PP presentation know all too well that as soon as the first slide is up, people start falling asleep, checking their email or reading blogs. Now they'll have a new choice, put on the headphones and listen to one of the verbal incontinents your Luddite friend is so dismissive of.

Anyway... Thanks for the stimulating post!

# October 23, 2004 6:10 PM

Jason Mauss said:

Mondays: Sounds like somebody's got a case of our show. (from Office Space)

# October 23, 2004 6:18 PM

Shannon J Hager said:

Mondays: The first step on the road to Friday.

Mondays: Weekends are for amateurs.

Mondays: Born on a Friday. Played on a Monday.

# October 23, 2004 6:34 PM

SBC said:

I recall a tacky song from many moons ago - 'Video killed the radio star'..

time for DNR videos!
:-)

# October 23, 2004 6:43 PM

Don said:

Carl,

I am using PodCasts and although currently my listening audience is small, I hope to see it grow rapidly. I point back to other content on my sites with PodCasts and I'll soon be exploring other avenues using audio content.

As for Dave's bashing of PowerPoint. I have to somewhat disagree with him. It is the speaker's responsibility to keep the focus of the presented material within his/her control. A prepared speaker should never give up the power of the speaker to PowerPoint. That is where most PP presenters go wrong.

At my Toastmasters club, we teach how to give great PP presentations without making the audience bored or lost as Dave indicates. If you want to see the presentation I did on the topic, take a look at, "Ten Sins of PowerPoint Presentations" at:
http://www.twinoakstoastmasters.org/powerpoint/Toastmaster_Sins_Web.ppt

Oh, and one more thing Toastmasters helps people do is learn how to communicate better by eliminating "crutch-words" such as (ah's, um's, etc.) Too many PodCasters use those crutch-words throughout their oral presentations among other extraneous sounds in their audio files. No names mentioned... :-)

So thanks for pushing PodCasts and giving me an opportunity to suggest that PodCasters' go visit their local Toastmasters clubs to learn to communicate in a clear, effective and more pleasing way. Their listeners will appreciate it.

Don

# October 23, 2004 7:42 PM

Dave Pentecost said:

Carl

I'm the fellow who (on Scoble's site) rather hastily dismissed your Pwop website's pitch of podcasting as a drivetime tool for corporate motivational messages.

I'm happy to see that you may indeed recognize some of podcasting's potential. But I still reject the notion that we will soon get through this messy homemade stuff and regularize podcasting as another broadcast medium. I believe that the use of podcasting by the established sources will be the niche, and the decentralized uses of it will be the majority of media out there.

I also continue to question your characterization of podcasting as "pushing" content. As long as the listener chooses to subscribe, it will continue to be opt-in, and the appeal and usefulness of the offered programs will determine whether they are heard.

As they say, to a person with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To someone looking to start a business, this looks like an opportunity to push content to consumers (or employees, in your web pitch) or to provide services to corporate communications professionals. But push was a buzzword whose time came and went. You'll have to be able to hold the elegance AND the messiness of this medium in your mind (and your business plans), or you'll miss it.

# October 23, 2004 8:20 PM

Rory said:

Mondays: At least you're not dead.

Mondays: Ulcer fuel.

Mondays: Let's all get mad together.

Mondays: Death from above. And below. And all other sides, too.

Mondays: As much fun as hepatitis.

Mondays: Fridays beyond the pull date.

Mondays: Crapilicious.

Mondays: A time for TPS reports.

Mondays: Bad *and* stupid.

Mondays: Like stepping in dog poop every week.

Mondays: Early morning coffee halitosis.

Mondays: The day before another crappy day.

Mondays: Kicking the weekend in the balls.

Mondays: Fuck.

# October 23, 2004 9:34 PM

Rory said:

Mondays: Saturdays inside-out.

Mondays: It's your life, and it sucks.

Mondays: Like a fish hook in your eye (to paraphrase Margaret Atwood - http://www.mamohanraj.com/Poets/atwoo.html).

Mondays: What Sunday threw up.

Mondays: Lube for the colonoscopy of life.

Mondays: The start of your journey to... Tuesday.

Mondays: A cure for happiness.

# October 23, 2004 9:42 PM

NJ John said:

Mondays: Embrace The Suck

(or just, Mondays: Suck)

# October 23, 2004 10:49 PM

Roland Boon said:

Mondays: All fun, code, and sh!t

# October 24, 2004 2:18 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Hey Dave!

> I still reject the notion that we will soon get through this messy homemade stuff and regularize podcasting as another broadcast medium. I believe that the use of podcasting by the established sources will be the niche, and the decentralized uses of it will be the majority of media out there. <

Podcasting solves distribution problems whether you are Joe Dickhead in his garage or a major media establishment.

> I also continue to question your characterization of podcasting as "pushing" content. <

Opt-in content and push content are not mutually exclusive. I use the word "push" not as a technical term, but to describe what happens. I drop an mp3 file on a server somewhere, and some time later everyone who wants it has it. To someone looking at distribution issues, that's pushing.

> push was a buzzword whose time came and went <

Point taken. However, in order for people to understand new ideas you sometimes have to hold them up to existing concepts as a point of reference. Is there a better word? I'll use it. :-)

# October 24, 2004 3:16 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Also Dave...

> [I] hastily dismissed your Pwop website's pitch of podcasting as a drivetime tool for corporate motivational messages <

For the record, I never said podcasting's calling is to use it to brainwash your employees. What I said wasn't clear, and was misconstrued, so I removed it from the site, but let me tell you now what I was TRYING to say.

Look at .NET Rocks! It's nothing close to "corporate motiviational messages" and yet it has had a motivational effect on our listeners. I have a stack of letters to prove it. It's content. In the same way that reading Motor Trend might motivate you to go down to the garage and fix your leaky radiator, or to start saving for that car you've always wanted, so can audio content have the same effect.

Since we have already done this, and Pwop is just a way that we can do it for others, I was merely trying to convey the positive effects of good content. Bad choice of words.

I sense that you're getting hung up on the symantics. That's ok. I'm trying to talk to people outside of the tech world and explain podcasting (and it's benefits) to those who don't have the benefit of our technical understanding.

Of course, I welcome any suggestions to that end.

# October 24, 2004 3:24 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Mondays: Besides tech...
Mondays: Leaving .NET Rocks!
Mondays: Rock, too!

# October 24, 2004 4:52 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Mondays: without tech!
Mondays: another weird day!
Mondays: from da M O N to da D A Y Sizzle.
Mondays: about crap!
Mondays: No-brainers
Mondays: the beginning
Mondays: remember me?
Mondays: submit fun.
Mondays: leave your brain at home.
Mondays: Poow. That was a crappy week. Oh, damn it, another one.
Mondays: I need the money, god damn it!
Mondays: I should praise .NET Rocks to get the money.
Mondays: .NET Rocks! rocks!
Mondays: Or their hosts?
Mondays: Carl and Rory rock! (Jeff and Kirk too!)

# October 24, 2004 5:02 AM

Rob Windsor said:

Mondays: We make them suck less

Mondays: Other Stuff Rocks Too!

Mondays: The mug with this logo will be worth millions when we move the show to Wednesday

# October 24, 2004 7:05 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> The mug with this logo will be worth millions when we move the show to Wednesday <

LMFAO!

# October 24, 2004 7:06 AM

Helge Gudmundsen said:

Thank God it's Mondays!

# October 24, 2004 7:21 AM

Lawrence Pina said:

Mondays: Give us an hour and we'll give a headache
Mondays: It's this or CSI:Miami
Mondays: Unsafe at any speed
Mondays: Put this in your pod and smoke it
Mondays: Naked, unprotected and free
Mondays: The light at the end of the tunnel
Mondays: Tuesday never looked so good
Mondays: Listen, laugh, learn, delete

# October 24, 2004 7:29 AM

Michael Reinhart said:

Monday Schmonday

m

# October 24, 2004 9:05 AM

James Steele said:

Mondays: Tech Talk at the Speed of Sound!

# October 24, 2004 12:15 PM

Paul said:

Mondays: Made for Crack

# October 24, 2004 12:27 PM

Doug Ferguson said:

I Don't Like Mondays
Theme music by the Boomtown Rats
But maybe not. This would break the non-RIAA music principle.

But, seriously:
Mondays. Starting your week right.

And, while we are on the topic of taglines. Whenever I here the "working smarter" tagline, I always add "not harder" in my mind since I learned the "work smarter, not harder" mantra in school many years ago.

# October 24, 2004 1:17 PM

Fabio Rossetti said:

Mondays: .Net Rocks for your Mondays' Blues.

# October 24, 2004 1:27 PM

Aviv Raff said:

Mondays: Every other day of the week is fine, yeah. (The Mamas & the Papas - Monday, Monday)

# October 24, 2004 1:48 PM

Sunny Day said:

Mondays: Not Mundane anymore!

# October 24, 2004 2:53 PM

Simon said:

Mondays: Who'd have 'em.

# October 24, 2004 4:56 PM

NJ John said:

Mondays: When Even .NET Sucks

(not really, of course...)

# October 24, 2004 5:15 PM

giskard said:

Mondays: From Redmond, with love...

(remember that old james bond movie? :)

# October 24, 2004 5:17 PM

Chris Lundie said:

Mondays: 2.4 GHz Party People
or...
Mondays: 45-minute party people

How long is the show going to be, anyway?

# October 24, 2004 7:22 PM

TrackBack said:

DevConnections

# October 24, 2004 8:24 PM

Will said:

How about:
The Monday Show: Alka-Seltzer for your brain...

# October 24, 2004 8:33 PM

Will said:

Oops, probably couln't use Alka-Seltzer since it's a trademark. Better make it:

The Monday Show: Bicarb for your brain...

# October 24, 2004 8:47 PM

Geoff G. said:

Mondays: Recorded Live!...Friday

Mondays: @!#?@! (For those of you who don't know, that's Q-bert saying, "this fucking sucks")

btw if Rory wins...I claim the prize (too late, I called it first....bitch!)

# October 24, 2004 9:31 PM

TrackBack said:

# October 24, 2004 11:18 PM

Rahul Rawla a.k.a Dude said:

Mondays:Sex,Fun and DNR
Mondays:Rockin' up a Notch ..Baaaam!!!
Mondays:Sex,Google and DNR
Mondays:DNR..Make my Day (Clint Eastewood style)
Mondays:I do give a F..K.!!
Mondays:DNR...Spank Me..!!..Hard..;-)
Mondays:We Rock Again..!!
Mondays:OOPS..We did it again
Mondays:DNR.."Loosley" Coupled
Mondays:DNR..Rated MA (Matured Audience)
Mondays: DNR..XXX (Triple X)..Enjoy
----------------------------------
I'll have some more later

# October 24, 2004 11:52 PM

TrackBack said:

Carl Franklins of Dotnetrocks (.NET Rocks) is doing a new show

# October 25, 2004 12:30 AM

Sahil Malik said:

My views about the new show --

(Carl Franklins of Dotnetrocks (.NET Rocks) is doing a new show)

http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/sahilmalik/archive/2004/10/24/29583.aspx

# October 25, 2004 12:32 AM

Austin Wise said:

Mondays: Hilarity ensues
Mondays: Twice the booz, half the tech
Mondays: Free, just like syphilis

# October 25, 2004 1:30 AM

Rob Windsor said:

Mondays: A Platform for Developing Web Services
Mondays: 50% Less Geeky
Mondays: Can't Live With 'Em, Can't Time Travel Ahead 24 Hours
Mondays: All Geeks Welcome
Mondays: Geek Banter To Start Your Week
Mondays: Less Geeky More Freaky (a twist on a suggestion made by Sahil)

Mondays: Any of my previous entries but with the spaces removed from between the words and then the whole thing camelCased and put inside angle brackets to look like an XML tag so it'll be funny and only real geeks will have any idea what it means

# October 25, 2004 4:08 AM

Aviv Raff said:

Mondays: Bleepless.
Mondays: Bleeper than ever.
Mondays: Where geeks don't bleep.
Mondays: Bleeped again..
Mondays: Free as in bleep.
Mondays: What The Bleep!
Mondays: No more bleep for you (come back one year :) )

# October 25, 2004 4:51 AM

John Barone said:

Mondays: Wish It Were Friday

John Barone

# October 25, 2004 6:27 AM

Corey said:

Mondays: It is what it is.

# October 25, 2004 8:45 AM

M Kenyon said:

Mondays: You weren't gonna do anything 2day anyways.
Mondays: Cause one does of Carl is never enough.

# October 25, 2004 8:49 AM

Corey said:

Mondays:Write or Wrong, Here we are.

# October 25, 2004 8:49 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Lots of good suggestions, but we really want it to shock, but not too much. You know?

The ones we like the best so far are actually from Rory:

Mondays: What Sunday Threw Up
Mondays: At least you're not dead.

So, try some more. No references to .NET or .NET Rocks. Just short, jarring, and funny.

Carl

# October 25, 2004 8:49 AM

Corey said:

Mondays: Life Regurgitated

# October 25, 2004 9:20 AM

Adi said:

Mondayszilla

# October 25, 2004 9:40 AM

Gabezilla said:

Mondays: No Longer Friday's Bitch

# October 25, 2004 9:58 AM

Brian Kuhn said:

Mondays: Unhandled exceptions may occur

# October 25, 2004 10:06 AM

Kjetil Kristoffer Solberg said:

Mondays: Sober Again

# October 25, 2004 10:07 AM

Brian Schroer said:

Mondays: unsafe public void
Mondays: Geeks Gone Wild!
Mondays: The Obfuscater Boys
Mondays: Yo, I Got Your Podcast Right Here!
Mondays: Cat Shaving Time

Mondays: All the really fun stuff that pretentious blogger windbags complain about when it's on the normal show, which Carl invented and gives to you for freaking free every week and as far as I'm concerned can do whatever the hell he wants to with, so stop your whining already and go back to posting about why Edit and Continue is for wimps and you prefer to edit your code by manipulating bits on the hard drive with a tiny magnet.

# October 25, 2004 10:08 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Mondays: 1 down, 4 more 2 go.
Mondays: Fridays, 2go.
Mondays: Fridays in a doggie bag.

# October 25, 2004 10:09 AM

Corey said:

Mondays: Not your fathers audio show.

# October 25, 2004 10:19 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Mondays: Geeks in panties having pillow fights.

# October 25, 2004 10:19 AM

Kevin Chan said:

Mondays: Don't write crappy code
Mondays: Your boss is after your ass
Mondays: System is down
Mondays: Shit happens
Mondays: Good for sick days.

# October 25, 2004 10:23 AM

Kyle Tinsley said:

Mondays: Linux Sucks

# October 25, 2004 10:31 AM

Steve S. said:

Mondays: Better than prison
Mondays: 1 part suck, 2 parts crappy
Mondays: A spanking and you like it!
Mondays: Who's your daddy?
Mondays: Ondays with an M
Mondays: Recommended by 4 out of 5 dentists
Mondays: Better than you
Mondays: Whether you like it or not
Mondays: European weekly holiday #2
Mondays: Better than sex
Mondays: A reason to drink
Mondays: Shit.
Mondays: Carl Rules! (Queue free DNR swag)
Mondays: Rory Rules! (Queue free MS swag)
Mondays: Kirk Rules! (Queue free weird shit...um, yeah nevermind)
Mondays: A trademark of Microsoft Corp.
Mondays: Almost as good as midget lovin'
Mondays: Slightly better than sharing needles
Mondays: Used to be called FUNdays...except they FUCKIN' SUCK!!!
Mondays: A steamin' pile of crap
Mondays: From the greek MondaysAreGoingToSuckWhetherYouLikeItOrNot
Mondays: 2 for 1 and Capt. Binky's Lubricant Mart
Mondays: Better than getting shot

# October 25, 2004 10:34 AM

Brian Kuhn said:

Mondays: Right at least once a week
Mondays: Compiled with /unsafe
Mondays: The burning car on the highway of life
Mondays: Good, Bad, we're the guys with the guns
Mondays: BOGU (Bend Over And Grease Up)

# October 25, 2004 10:50 AM

Artkrot said:

Monday: And we still have a JOb

# October 25, 2004 11:09 AM

Brian Schroer said:

Mondays: Are You Ready For Some FUBAR?
Mondays: .NUTS
Mondays: Redeeming.Attributes Is Nothing
Mondays: The Deprecated Elements

# October 25, 2004 11:19 AM

Jim Schreckengast said:

Mondays Bite!
Mondays Byte!

# October 25, 2004 11:24 AM

Geoff G. said:

Mondays: Stop Whining!

Mondays: {Insert Witty Comment here}

Mondays: Fuck Work!

Mondays: Fuck Work! and you too!

Mondays: Don't tell your boss!

Mondays: Your weekly can of Woop-Ass

Mondays: Is that an ipod in your pocket or are you just happy to be fucking around at work!

Mondays: Shut up and get to work!

Mondays: Just Quit

Mondays: Better than Diahrea
Mondays: Worse than Diahrea
Yes, I have stooped to toilet humor...got a problem?

Mondays: At least you got a Job!

Mondays: So your life sucks..BIG DEAL!

Mondays: Your new favorite day of the week!

Mondays: Get back to work bitch!

# October 25, 2004 11:43 AM

Strafe said:

God I hate buzzwords; And I really think thats all Podcasting is. I mean, I was doing Podcasting back when it was called 'burning mp3's onto a cd'. All that has really been added has been a way to automate my downloads of audio content - an audio aggregator.

That being said, anything that makes my internet stay more efficient (not having to repeatedly visit a website to see if the new show is availiable or getting an email that a new show is availiable 2 days after the show has been published) works for me.

I think people are trying to make 'Podcasting' into more than it is.

# October 25, 2004 11:44 AM

Kimo said:

Monday: Come to papa
Monday: That's why you should never smoke crack
Monday: Training junkies to drag harder
Monday: Because Microsoft got tired of our crap
Monday: Because Gill Bates is so Bossy
Monday: Because we've got so much crap to fit in just one show
Monday: We load you with enough crap for the whole week
Monday: Where were we?
Monday: From New London with love
Monday: On His Majesty's (Carl Franklin) Secret Service
Monday: License to Laugh
Monday: Oops we did it again
Monday: All for Fun and Fun for all
Monday: if your sex life sucks
Monday: Just when you thought it was over
Monday: Let's shake on it
Monday: Because you voted to keep Kirk alive

# October 25, 2004 11:58 AM

Randy Glenn said:

Mondays: Didn't we do this last week?

# October 25, 2004 12:03 PM

Kimo said:

Mondays: Dedicated to all the fruit cakes out there
Mondays: Viva Las New London
Mondays: This is Plan B if you didn't have sex last weekend
Mondays: Profanity Rediscovered

# October 25, 2004 1:06 PM

Jorriss Orroz said:

Mondays: Geeks Unleashed

# October 25, 2004 1:33 PM

# October 25, 2004 6:17 PM

dank said:

Pick one of mine or I'll kill my gerbil.

You'll feel bad.

Really bad, because I'll send you photos.

Bad photos.

Nasty, scary, nightmare inducing, therapy causing photos.

# October 25, 2004 6:20 PM

dank said:

I'll save Carl the trouble of officially announcing it, here is the obvious winner:

Mondays : What else are you going to do, stay home and play Dungeons and Dragons, you fucking loser?

(Remember the gerbil Carl)

# October 25, 2004 6:25 PM

Rob Windsor said:

Mondays: Start your week off wrong
Mondays: Start your week off wierd
Mondays: Oops, we did it again
Mondays: Your new guilty pleasure
Mondays: Rory's going to get fired for sure now
Mondays: Slightly better than a kick in the head
Mondays: We don't start on time either
Mondays: No news just sick crap
Mondays: We promise never to do a show from a pub
Mondays: Screw Vegas, our party's going to be in... shit! there is no better place to party than Vegas

# October 25, 2004 6:28 PM

Mikem said:

So, you are going to give in to the public. Well, I have mixed emotions on this. I mean, it was really fun to hear professional programers talk about what they do and suddenly, (BLEEP, BLEEP, BLEEP, BLEEP). LOL! It was informative and you never knew when you were about to laugh up your lunch. (In more ways tha one especially), But, when the whole Homosexual topic about Burning man got brought up, Im ok with it, but I was praying to god that my parrents wouldn't walk in, (I am only 15 and my parrents wouldn't let me listen to this anymore if they heard that). In conclusion, I will now have two shows to look foward to every week. Just a suggestion, I am a C++ programer, I use managed extentions, and would appreciate it if Managed Extentions, and even the upcomming c++/cli, and STL.net (When it comes out) would be covered in the show along with VB and C# issues. Anyway, keep up the good work.

# October 25, 2004 6:47 PM

Mikem said:

O and my idea. This I kind of lifted from the slogan from Winamp, but How about this
Mondays - It really woops the lama's ass

# October 25, 2004 6:54 PM

Brian said:

Mondays: Because Work is Better with Rory
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk show for People Passionate About The Internet
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk show for People Passionate About Rory
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk show for People Passionate About Carl
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk show for Sticking It to the man
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk Show that Mondays: Dosen't know you facked calling in Sick
Mondays: The Internet Audio Talk show for Nut Balls

# October 25, 2004 8:47 PM

Brian said:

Mondays: Because DNR sold out to the Man

# October 25, 2004 8:49 PM

Rahul Rawla a.k.a Dude said:

Monday:First Day First Show..!!

# October 25, 2004 8:50 PM

DougV said:

Something simple.

Mondays: Really?!

# October 25, 2004 9:13 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Why couldn't the gerbil drive? Because he couldn't get out of Gere !! :D :D

# October 25, 2004 9:13 PM

Kimo said:

Mondays: It's a show about nothing!
(You know like Seinfeld :) )
Mondays: Pure Indignity!
Mondays: Like a splinter in your mind driving you mad
Mondays: We will show you how deep the hole goes and we don't mean the rabbit hole
Mondays: Start the Madness
Mondays: It's our way or the highway
Mondays: Not Just your average Mondays
Mondays: Indigestible!
Mondays: Experience the best lap dances
Mondays: Because you've been a naughty boy
Mondays: Don’t take it personal

# October 25, 2004 10:03 PM

cman said:

Mondays: Listen up 'cause you suck.

# October 25, 2004 10:13 PM

Paul said:

Mondays: Not a brain drainer
Mondays: This is your brain on drugs
Mondays: Strap it on and suck it up
Mondays: The only way to start
Mondays: Sex on the beach
Mondays: Sex for your mind
Mondays: Orgasmic
Mondays: Brain orgasms
Mondays: Keep em separated
Mondays: The new Friday
Mondays: Fuckin Great!

# October 25, 2004 10:18 PM

Dale said:

Mondays: Verbal Garbage
or
Mondays: Verbal Diarrhea

# October 25, 2004 11:44 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Mondays: Like sex, when good is good, when bad is still good.

# October 25, 2004 11:56 PM

DanielRieck said:

Mondays: Nominated for a Darwin Award

# October 26, 2004 12:32 AM

Lawrence Pina said:

Ok Carl......I thought I would have won by, now..but I guess I needed something better.

:)

Mondays: Ear candy
Mondays: Your weekly dose of insanity
Mondays: Put the work down and take two steps away from the bills.
Mondays: Bandwidth matters
Mondays: Taking you to the edge of sanity
Mondays: Bits O Honey!
Mondays: e-Jezeera
Mondays: The Freaks Come Out Online

# October 26, 2004 3:13 AM

Aaron Junod said:

Mondays : Hangover companion.
Mondays : Laughing in traffic.
Mondays : Caffine required.
Mondays : Laughing nerds.
Mondays : Tasteless.
Mondays : All fluff, no stuff.
Mondays : Since the rest of the week will suck.
Mondays : You'll listen again Tuesday.
Mondays : You'll fall off your unicycle.
Mondays : Will crack your Monocle.

I think this is a great idea, and best of luck with the new show.

# October 26, 2004 10:48 AM

Darryll Petrancuri said:

Monday: Switched to Overload

Monday: Cruel And Ununsual Punishment

Monday: Friday's Anti-Matter

# October 26, 2004 2:46 PM

SValentine said:

Mondays: Time to surf Porn.

# October 26, 2004 2:50 PM

TDavid said:

Mondays: Off the Rocks!

# October 26, 2004 3:23 PM

DanielRieck said:

Mondays: We're committed to find shrinkster's limits
Mondays: Don't drop the SOAP
Mondays: Time for your shower, geek!
Mondays: So funny it's banned in Norway!

(The last one is a Monty Python reference, see shrinkster.com/1tm for more)

# October 26, 2004 3:26 PM

Kim Kman said:

Mondays at the Geek Garage or just Geek Garage for short ... or Garage-Geek

# October 26, 2004 3:34 PM

Dan K said:

Mondays : Like getting felt up by the boss, then you realize he's not the boss, he's the night janitor who fucks dogs and has herpes.
Mondays : What hookers spit out of the windows of parked cars.
Mondays : Like a prostate exam from your grandma
Mondays : Fuck the tagline you fucking BITCHES, just tune into the motherfucking show or we'll beat your mom *and* your dad *and* your dog too!
Mondays : Come be our Altar Boy
Mondays : Better than Halloween candy filled with razor blades
Mondays : Scairer than that time you saw your mom in the leather mask
Mondays : Because they still laugh at you in the shower room
Mondays : Less comfortable than shaving your pubes
Mondays : Because it *doesn't* happen to all the guys
Mondays : Like finding your brother's boxers in your wife's car
Mondays : Like finding short and curlies stuck to the soap
Mondays : Worse than banging your sister during her period
Mondays : Even a *cheap* hooker wouldn't swallow this

# October 26, 2004 3:56 PM

Dan K said:

Mondays : Don't suck a pimp's dick for crack, suck a clean dick for MONEY and buy the crack directly.

# October 26, 2004 3:59 PM

Lawrence Pina said:

Screw the show name....

I want Dan K to be the first (an potentially the last) guest.

This guy is OUT THERE like Pluto.

# October 26, 2004 4:56 PM

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# October 26, 2004 6:02 PM

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# October 26, 2004 6:04 PM

Scott Worley said:

Great stuff, keep it up. Sometimes hard to get from China, where I am stuck, but at least the recorded sessions are obtainable 

Scott Worley  I have returned…
Author: Inside ASP.NET
Agile Process Evangalist
MS Technology Evanagelist
Blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/sworley

YES I QUIT MY CTO POSITION, WHY CASUE I LOVE MS TECH AND THERE I WAS NOT GETTING IT, AND I NEED IT…

Now evangelizing attempting to Develope the Chinese Software Industry, another impossible dream, well maybe…

# October 26, 2004 9:10 PM

Kurt Kopchik said:

Mondays: Wake Up!

# October 26, 2004 10:48 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Mondays: GET BACK TO WORK GEEK BRAIN!!!!

# October 26, 2004 11:36 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Mondays: Choose a title already !!!

# October 27, 2004 2:44 AM

Stefan Kreichelt said:

I would suggest:

Thanks God, it's Monday

# October 27, 2004 9:43 AM

Skib said:

Mondays: Life on the rocks
Mondays: Rain on a sunny day
Mondays: Beam me up Scottie
Mondays: Back to the codemine
Mondays: Not invented for fun
Mondays: Snap out of it
Mondays: Snap out of the fun
Mondays: The gentle painkiller
Mondays: Nuclear fun
Mondays: Bring it on
Mondays: A step closer to retirement
Mondays: Handle with care, to much will kill'ya
Mondays: Your worst nightmare is here
Mondays: Fridays+++
Mondays: Just schmack it
Mondays: Bad karma
Mondays: We'll make you beg for mercy
Mondays: A geeks best friend
Mondays: Not for the faintharted
Mondays: Phishy whips
Mondays: Hardens your inner child
Mondays: The first day in the rest of your life
Mondays: Floating by stateless, completely without state

# October 27, 2004 9:51 AM

Skib said:

Mondays: No dogballs needed

# October 27, 2004 10:23 AM

Kimo said:

Mondays: Yo listen up!
Mondays: I am down for some fun
Mondays: You wanna have some fun?

Mondays: It's the animal instinct in me
Mondays: They will never make me cry

The last two are form the song Animal Instinct by Cranberries (I really love this song) -- Carl and the gang check it out you will love it

http://www.cranberries.com/

# October 27, 2004 10:48 AM

Andrew Davey said:

Mondays: Puppy stamping good

# October 27, 2004 10:52 AM

Skib said:

Mondays: Just give in, don't fight it
Mondays: Like a kick in the nuts
Mondays: Like getting your nuts graced (makes you think "what the hell was that" just before the pain kicks in)

# October 27, 2004 1:18 PM

Kimo said:

Mondays: You can't handle the truth
Mondays: Make the bad man stop
Mondays: They can't hurt me anymore

# October 27, 2004 2:23 PM

Skib said:

Damn it Kimo... ;)

Mondays: For people with a J.O.B.
Mondays: Sensation without sense
Mondays: Doesn't suck, just feels that way...
Mondays: Hits the right spot every week

# October 27, 2004 2:46 PM

Kimo said:

Thanks Skib. Back at you man ;)

# October 27, 2004 4:34 PM

Skib said:

Mondays: Will survive you!
Mondays: The hernia you like
Mondays: Weekend relieve
Mondays: Like a thumb in your ass
Mondays: Gets your thumb out of your ass
Mondays: Makes prozac depressed
Mondays: When you didn't think it could get worse
Mondays: When you least expect it
Mondays: You can count on it
Mondays: The holy day of Han G. Over
Mondays: R.I.P.
Mondays: Shot the weekend in the foot
Mondays: You asked for it
Mondays: Weekend leftovers
Mondays: Another reason to drink

# October 27, 2004 4:37 PM

SValentine said:

Mondays - Like a turd in the urinal.

# October 27, 2004 4:45 PM

SValentine said:

Mondays - WeekBENDs Over

# October 27, 2004 4:48 PM

Mikem said:

I just thought of this one. It might be a bit lame but, still, I think its inspired.
Mondays: Its NOT just about .net anymore...
Mondays: When all else SUCKS try this
Mondays: What GEAKS do with their spair time
Mondays: You'd have to be some kind of dumbass not to enjoy this
Mondays: When DNR goes to the "Dark Side" in more ways than one
Mondays: When drugs just won't cut it
Mondays: When drinking just won't cut it
Mondays: Get out of your mom's medicine cabinet
Mondays: When work sucks
Mondays: What to do when you find your boss in bed with your wife
Mondays: We don't care if your busy, unless it involves PMS, it can wait.
Mondays: What to do when your wife has PMS
Mondays: Since the rest of the week is going to suck ass

# October 27, 2004 4:58 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Contest is over!

http://weblogs.asp.net/cfranklin/archive/2004/10/27/248770.aspx

# October 27, 2004 6:07 PM

TrackBack said:

# October 27, 2004 6:07 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Shud've bought a lottery ticket !!

# October 28, 2004 12:47 AM

Kimo said:

Congratulations NJ John and good tagline Rory. I am so excited about Mondays I hope it's going to be even a bigger success than DNR good work guys.

Congratulations Carl. I sent you an email like two days ago or something asking about your thoughts on my suggestion of an Arabic version DNR. So what do you think?

Email me:
kariem_elkoush AT Yahoo DOT co DOT uk

# October 28, 2004 12:48 AM

Stefan Kreichelt said:

The website looks nice, but where is the section for downloading the show on the comming monday?

# October 28, 2004 6:47 AM

Pete Beech said:

Looks good! So, you'll be featuring original music on the show (I remember you saying that when you talked about this show a few months ago). Whats the process for submitting some?

# October 28, 2004 8:30 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> where is the section for downloading the show

It will be there when there's something to download. :-)

# October 28, 2004 8:54 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> Whats the process for submitting some [Music]?

Just send us a comment with links to your music.

# October 28, 2004 8:55 AM

Brendan Tompkins said:

Wow! Great article. Congrats!

# October 28, 2004 9:25 AM

Brendan Tompkins said:

oops! meant to post this about your NYT article!

# October 28, 2004 9:28 AM

Jay Franklin said:

RED SOX FOREVER!!! :)

# October 28, 2004 9:49 AM

TrackBack said:

# October 28, 2004 4:46 PM

Cintask Airer said:

I'm looking forward to hearing Rory rant on about this one.

# October 28, 2004 5:06 PM

Addy Santo said:

Dvorak needs a good whacking with a clue-stick. He was relevant once (10 years ago? 12?) but nowadays he just sounds lost and sad.

# October 28, 2004 8:14 PM

Don Kiely said:

Oh geez, have Richard get a picture that doesn't make the whole show seem stuffy!!!!!

# October 28, 2004 9:23 PM

dank said:

CongratuFREEKINlations Carl!

# October 28, 2004 9:43 PM

SBC said:

I read the NY Times article. Awesome!
Hope I can get your autograph and then make a few bucks selling it on eBay..
:-)

# October 28, 2004 11:22 PM

TrackBack said:

# October 28, 2004 11:26 PM

Peter Stathakos said:

This guy seriously needs to get a clue before publishing this kind of junk. Seriously, is anyone at PC magazine editing this stuff and if they are they should know better.

What a piece of crap.

# October 29, 2004 8:51 AM

Ralph Loizzo said:

A diehard blowhard who gets paid for simply spreading misinformation. Ignore him. Let his small mind be his downfall.

# October 29, 2004 11:10 AM

NJ John said:

Holy crap! First Rory made the New York Times, and now Carl! So, I'll ask you the same question I asked Rory: Will it help you, like, get chicks?

Kidding aside, congrats Carl. Well deserved props from the big media.

# October 29, 2004 11:14 AM

NJ John said:

Awesome! Thanks Carl, I'll be in touch via E-mail.

# October 29, 2004 11:17 AM

Mark Freedman said:

Awesome idea! Mondays rock!

# October 29, 2004 4:34 PM

Mark Freedman said:

Greg Low said:

Looks like he just sucked all the contents out of a lemon through a small hole :-)

# November 2, 2004 2:36 AM

Nicholas Sing said:

Great! ;-)

# November 2, 2004 3:21 AM

Frank said:

That looks like everyone's face when they first see that horrible goatse image. ;)

# November 2, 2004 8:25 AM

Dave Kingston said:

I really can't believe that people like this get paid to review emergent technology. They are late adopters at best. If he doesn't even get that you don't need a Mac to use an iPod, how clueful can he be?

It's really a shame that PC Mag lets people like this write for the masses. It's a good thing that the youth will probably never pick up PC Mag....

# November 2, 2004 11:31 AM

PS said:

Well if you notice, you can't see his hands... and it does look he forgot the webcam was on... :)

# November 2, 2004 11:55 AM

Scott Gowell said:

Apparently he needs help with WordPress as well. (http://www.dvorak.com/blog)

{Error establishing a database connection! This probably means that the connection information in your wp-config.php file is incorrect. Double check it and try again.}

"Can any one of you nice whippersnappers help my with my bl...bl...bl...website?"

# November 2, 2004 1:08 PM

jm said:

After all the talk of tit I am sure you are right.

# November 2, 2004 5:31 PM

brock said:

John Dvorack sucks.

# November 2, 2004 10:06 PM

六合彩 said:

http://www.xgsmhlhc.com/

# November 3, 2004 5:29 AM

Sahil Malik said:

I don't see his hands, his face might be a direct result of what his hands are doing.

# November 3, 2004 9:43 AM

TrackBack said:

Find out more about the .NET Rocks! party being held in Las Vegas on November 6th at 6pm.

What is the topic going to be?

# November 4, 2004 10:29 AM

TrackBack said:

# November 4, 2004 11:13 AM

Robert Cantwell said:

Hi Carl,
Will listening live and the chat room be supported for both the interview and the new Mondays show?

# November 4, 2004 12:54 PM

TrackBack said:

# November 6, 2004 7:30 PM

TrackBack said:

# November 7, 2004 6:22 PM

TrackBack said:

# November 7, 2004 6:24 PM

Christopher Anthony said:

Cool Beard, Im thinking of growing one :)

# November 9, 2004 1:09 AM

Sahil Malik said:

When is the next DNR?

PS said:

Let's get more shots of Rachel on the site...

# November 11, 2004 10:40 AM

Lest said:

Rachel R00Ls!

# November 11, 2004 11:22 AM

Casual Blog Read said:

Do the girl that Nick hit on is hot. If you got her number pass it on to me.

# November 11, 2004 11:27 AM

Ken said:

Yes more pics of Rachel would really be nice :)

# November 11, 2004 11:28 AM

Jim said:

We want more pics of Rachel~!

# November 11, 2004 11:28 AM

Rachel Fan said:

Why don´t you just devote the whole blog to Rachel!

# November 11, 2004 11:57 AM

ActiveNick said:

Trust me... she was truly hot. But I ain't giving you the dirt either, you'll have to watch the A&E special when it comes out (I bet I'll be edited to look like a complete idiot).

As for more pics of Rachel, well... I'm not saying if I have more *wink*

Just stay tuned to .NET Rocks and Mondays over the following year... lol!

Nick

# November 11, 2004 5:11 PM

Rory said:

Bunny ears!

I just realized you were doing the bunny ears thing to me!

Fucker!

I'm going to sue you...

# November 12, 2004 1:23 AM

Rory said:

Ahhh... never mind.

I'll just photoshop your fingers out.

# November 12, 2004 1:24 AM

Rory said:

Actually, fuck that!

I'm fucking suing you!

# November 12, 2004 1:24 AM

Rory said:

Ha ha.

Just kidding ;)

# November 12, 2004 1:25 AM

Rory said:

But, no - seriously...

I'll see you in court, bitch.

# November 12, 2004 1:25 AM

PS said:

Screw the bunny ears Rory, let's get back to the Playboy bunny... :)

# November 12, 2004 9:12 AM

PS said:

Nick,
Looks like you already have a death grip on her... was she trying to run away? :)

# November 12, 2004 9:13 AM

Rachel's Boyfriend said:

Dude did you give her a single rose? I'm gonna kick your ass.

# November 12, 2004 10:45 AM

Rachel's Mom said:

My dear god, what has Rachel been smoking?

# November 12, 2004 10:46 AM

Rachel's Ex-Boyfriend said:

Rachel is a fun girl ;)

# November 12, 2004 10:46 AM

Rachel's Dad said:

Son you better get your scummy hands off her. I got my shotgun cock and ready!

# November 12, 2004 10:47 AM

Rachel's Girlfriend said:

Get your hands off my woman.

# November 12, 2004 11:12 AM

Rachel's One Night Stand said:

What a fun night! Did you get any?

# November 12, 2004 11:15 AM

Rachel's Gynecologist said:

I examine her and she's got a clean bill of health. Go get her tiger!

# November 12, 2004 11:16 AM

ActiveNick said:

Death grip? Naaah, she likes it rough...

# November 12, 2004 11:18 AM

ActiveNick said:

Oh, and Carl... it's spelled "Caesar's"

# November 12, 2004 11:20 AM

Rachel's Lawboy said:

She is such a foxy lady. I love trimming her bush!

# November 12, 2004 11:21 AM

PS said:

Well, she does have a huge smile on her face.... ActiveNick shoots.... he scores!!

# November 12, 2004 11:33 AM

Rachel said:

Ya think?

# November 12, 2004 11:59 AM

Rachel's Husband said:

okay, now I'm really pissed....

# November 12, 2004 6:29 PM

anonymous said:

"Ceaser's?"

Spell much?

# November 12, 2004 11:26 PM

TrackBack said:

# November 13, 2004 9:20 AM

Carl said:

> "Ceaser's?"
> Spell much?

ok, ok, so get your own blog! I spel jist fyn!

lol this is so funny I just can't stop laughing I'm just at the first section! ;-)

# November 15, 2004 4:18 AM

TrackBack said:

# November 15, 2004 7:09 AM

Dror Engel said:

im using .text , its great
by the way, if u looking for 21 years man From Israel To Talk In The Show, i ready :)

droren@gmail.com

# November 15, 2004 7:33 AM

Corey said:

Is it just me or was the audio during Karen Greenwald movie review mainly in the right channel?

# November 15, 2004 8:54 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yes, Karen is panned right and Kirk is panned left. When multiple people are talking it helps to separate them a little bit.

# November 15, 2004 9:40 AM

Paul Schaeflein said:

Submit to http://openpodcast.org/ and http://www.ipodder.org/podcastPing

# November 15, 2004 9:51 AM

Andrew Baum said:

I use .Text as well. Do you plan on adding ID tags to the various formats?

# November 15, 2004 11:03 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Hi Carl, you should know that there is .Text since you talked with the guy who invented it on .NET Rocks!.

# November 15, 2004 1:25 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

Where is the RSS of Mondays! for podcasting???

# November 15, 2004 1:30 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I had to sleep, man! Today I'm teaching. Feeds will be posted tonight.

# November 15, 2004 1:49 PM

Confused Dot Net Rocks Fan said:

Hey what about Dot Net Rocks? What happened to today's episode posting?

# November 15, 2004 2:27 PM

bliz said:

man, the background for the http://mondays.pwop.com/ site is soooo horrid. mommy, please make it stop!

# November 16, 2004 7:39 PM

Carl Franklin said:

How so? What browser? What settings, etc?

# November 17, 2004 8:15 AM

spanky said:

blitz must mean that the background audio scares him. it is very halloweenish. thanks for the show!!! i love it!

# November 17, 2004 9:02 AM

Dank said:

Where the hell did you get that dumb ass Ask Rory, it freekin' suxored! Great show man!

# November 17, 2004 11:03 AM

vbNullString said:

I listened to this show, and it was certainly interesting. You guys mentioned about going overboard with just one technology or methodology. Yes, we do have an tendency to over architect especially when you are fascinated with the most current technology.

Most of the topic was on the mistakes Java developers made, but I do believe that there have been a lot of mistakes made by VB developers as well. I remember the time when I was very excited about the samples that Microsoft had on their site during VB6 era. Simply drag and drop some controls and connect to the database, and you are done with your application! Well, that got a lot of people started with Windows programming, that's for sure. At the same time, it produced a lot of failed projects due to lack of architecture and lack of quality etc... It is one of the reasons why VB programmers are stereotyped by Java or C++ zealots even now, but that sort of VB programmers exist less today. Intimidating potential programmers with how much you'd have to do may not be beneficial for this industry, but I believe it is our responsibility to inform them with some reality of a job of a programmer.

# November 17, 2004 1:53 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Carl,

I missed this show. The schedule is getting very confusing !! :(

- SM

# November 17, 2004 3:43 PM

Randy Jackson said:

Keep Karen Greenwald as a regular please. She's entertaining, intelligent and just fun. Rory was hilarious. Kill Kirk or at least give him a muzzle, just kidding very funny stuff. Glad Kirk survived his accident I guess. Great production Carl as mentioned above.

# November 18, 2004 1:12 AM

Randy Jackson said:

Excellent Show! Perhaps I just enjoy listening to intelligent people with real world experience tell their truths or stories but it was music to my mind. The delightful result is that some of us get a lift and the bar is indeed raised. After listening to the show I was off on a treasure hunt through the Framework SDK. What are the maechanics of that? Who knows?
One of your guests expressed a reality that was close to my heart. That is, possessing the ability to understand an entire business process and having the where-with-all to express a solution in reality. I seem to have that ability and it scares the hell out of most project managers. I interviewed for a national company this last week and didn't get the position, they were looking for the coding slave archetype. Just pound code don’t ask questions thank you, pat on the back, good boy... Hell, I’m alright with that, I’m really not interested in selling diversion either. I suppose I come from a world where results, value and responsibility are so ingrained that I don’t fight it. My programming foundation is built on a mentoring model. There are some very brilliant people in the world willing to give you their time if you show up prepared. And once through that process one tends to give back to the community generously. And this is what this episode or DNR reminded me of , absorbing the experience and it igniting my creativity as it might apply to real world business solutions. So a tip of my hat the guests and of course to Carl for jumping into the fire and bringing another solid moment to the frontiers of pushing around electrons

# November 18, 2004 5:29 PM

Hey, congratulations Carl! It's proof of your well-deserved success.

Keep on Rockin'!

# November 26, 2004 8:44 AM

TrackBack said:

# November 26, 2004 12:20 PM

Rory said:

You guys suck!

Your show is st0opid!

# November 26, 2004 9:55 PM

Rory said:

Sorry... I meant to post that anonymously.

But you guys still suck!

And your show is st0opid!

# November 26, 2004 9:56 PM

Dave Burke said:

I wonder if there's a correlation between increased downloads and increased sales of the iPod? I know I've downloaded at least 8 shows this month that I am now able to enjoy with a new iPod. Keep rockin', Cool Carl!

# November 27, 2004 2:42 PM

Sahil Malik said:

The 100th DotNetRocks show !!
http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/sahilmalik/archive/2004/11/28/33972.aspx

# November 28, 2004 2:46 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Rory u so ugly when Castro hump ur leg - he close his eyes ..

Uhh that was supposed to be anonymous :P

# November 28, 2004 2:48 PM

Chris Lundie said:

It's the Dot Net Rocks Renaissance!

# November 29, 2004 2:48 AM

Brian Kuhn said:

I am proud to be one of the 2186 listeners that has pulled down every show. I have them shared at work for others to listen to. Congratulations!

# November 29, 2004 11:10 AM

TrackBack said:

brainscat.com » DotNetRocks 90

# November 29, 2004 3:20 PM

SBC said:

all right Carl.. time to get the video..
well, at least some shows in which we can also see the guests being interviewed except for Rory - there's no telling what he might do.. ;-)

# November 29, 2004 8:44 PM

SBC said:

Seriously! I just saw 'Channel 9 India' that had Sheila Gulati being interviewed about .NET evangelism in India - http://channel9.msdn.com/india/default.aspx
If they can do it there then we can do it here!
:-)

# November 29, 2004 8:47 PM

Rory said:

Hey, Carl -

The above Frenchie comment is comment spam.

# December 6, 2004 2:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks!

# December 6, 2004 2:34 PM

Paying Customer said:

You want him to give all his hard work away for free?? Come on, shell out the 10 bucks.

# December 6, 2004 4:06 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Hey carl loved the episode!!! Man I'm gonna love 64 BIT. 64 BIT WILL KING ALL!!!! 64 BIT!!!! w00t! Oh yeah and I was convinced to purchase Windows Server 2003 but now I'll wait until Windows R2!!!

# December 6, 2004 5:06 PM

luzer said:

please, please get rid of Nick.
i cant believe you guys didnt remove his audio.

# December 7, 2004 2:55 PM

Kyle said:

I placed my order yesterday. How long is it taking you guys to fill orders? I'm getting my DVD player warmed up in anticipation.

# December 7, 2004 3:37 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It's being manufactured now. It should only take a couple weeks.

# December 7, 2004 3:55 PM

ActiveNick said:

Hey luzer (how fitting)

Not only am I staying, but in future shows, I'll drop random derogatory comments in French directed at you just to annoy you even more... lol!

# December 7, 2004 4:06 PM

Cintask Airer said:

5 bones for shiping? Glad DataDynamics is helping out.....

Can't wait for mine to arrive!

# December 7, 2004 5:49 PM

Aaron said:

I'm highly disappointed that you guys would bow to the religious zealots like this :(

# December 8, 2004 1:35 AM

Maurício said:

The dreaded question: What was the website, anyway? Okay, I'm sure it must be reeeeal freaky, but give us a few chances to guess what the web page was.

My first guess is Happy Tree Friends. Is that it?

# December 8, 2004 6:36 AM

Nick said:

I think Nick needs a reoccurring spot on the show. He cracks me up. Maybe something like... "Nick: On Dating"

# December 8, 2004 7:27 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, he's funny. He's gonna walk around New York City talking to people.

# December 8, 2004 8:12 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Mauricio, it wasn't a website, it was just a picture. There were two of them, actually. The first one I hadn't seen before, and the second one I had, but Nick hadn't. It was really gross.

# December 8, 2004 8:14 AM

David Foster said:

Greetings. I think you have made a smart move. Take the "extra stuff" out of DNR. Now I can recommned DNR to my students as resource for .Net commentary/discussion. The latest Monday cracked me up. Dropping the war stories was a good idea.

Keep up the good work on both shows.

# December 8, 2004 11:57 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

Man this is top quality service!!! ;-)
I can't stop laughing!!!! It's a "Family show!"
I luv this geek show!

# December 9, 2004 1:54 AM

TrackBack said:

Encrypting Data in Cookies and Session Variables

# December 9, 2004 9:54 AM

TrackBack said:

I was thinking about Carl having no style, and Geoff having great hair, and it just went horribly wrong from there...

# December 9, 2004 11:37 AM

No One In Particular said:

Do you know what I liked about this episode? That you guys commend Microsoft for both (a) having a greater focus on security and (b) moving IIS into kernel space, and saying this without a hint of irony. That was hilarious!

# December 9, 2004 11:07 PM

Mike said:

Pulling the serious bit from Mondays was wise. Third show flowed much nicer. You guys are very funny as a group playing off each other. A team interview of a guest (with a sense of humor of course) would work well as you can all participate in the interview and take it in many tangent directions. Mark Miller is great, "man" and Carl: you got the right kind of "style". Keep the stained, confortable clothing and skip the stuffy-shirt suit and tie. You are my hero dude!

# December 9, 2004 11:40 PM

Hey Erwin, I wondered what you were doing in Doppler. Actually, I'm embarking on a Windows Service like IE that runs a torrent client, with extensive XML configuration.

As for ports, it looks like you can use whatever port you want. The port gets listed along with your IP address in the header sent to the tracker. Firewalls are an issue in general. However, if you're using bittorrent correctly you've obviously opened the necessary ports already, no?

Carl

# December 21, 2004 9:52 PM

TrackBack said:

# December 22, 2004 8:35 AM

Dave Burke said:

I'm lovin' the new streamlined format and the AAC Podcast feeds! Enjoy your holiday break!

# December 22, 2004 9:02 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Carl

I think you shuld stick with Bittorrent given the support around it. As a matter of fact, the serializer between XML and Python could be a good project. There's a site called LegalTorrents.com on which you could put your feed up there (maybe).

Plus there are so many bittorrent clients (Shareazaa is my fav.)

- SM

# December 22, 2004 1:23 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Seems like a good opportunity to do something more original using .NET. I've been working on similar concepts with large scale software and data distribution over the internet. Instead of using bittorrent, how about just using ASP.NET, and .NET podcast client (call it DNRCast). Your main DNR site could be the equiv of a tracker, using a Webservice to query for contributing peers and content detail, such as hash values, block length, total blocks etc. DNRCast clients can then opt in to contribute (which requires ports to be opened etc, just like other p2p).. the .NET app can just loadup ASP.NET in an appdomain and host a websevice to publish which complete blocks it has and to repond to block request...

This is just an off the top of my head idea.. might not be the direction your wanting to go...

# December 23, 2004 2:43 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I guess I'm sold on BitTorrent. I don't see any more obstacles. I was a little concerned about the BEncoding, but after looking at the spec, it only took an hour to write an encoder/decoder. So, I'm going to do my project completely to spec. Not as bad as I thought at all.

# December 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Erwin said:

Hi Carl,

Right now there is no native support for bittorrent. I fire off any (configured) external client to handle the bittorrent. It works. However, it looks 'nicer' if I would go for a native version of BitTorrent in Doppler, stil... but still... that would make Doppler a full featured bittorrent client, not sure if I want to walkt that road. But it might be that I have no choice. Swarmstreaming seems more 'logical' to me, as that takes all the logic out of the client application. Everything that works/talks HTTP works with swarmstreaming. But again, if people want it, they should get it.

Are you going to publish your efforts? Would save me at least an hour writing the encoder/decoder ;-)

/Erwin

# December 23, 2004 8:01 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Erwin,

Let's collaborate. Seems to be the sensible thing to do.

# December 23, 2004 8:51 PM

Erwin said:

Carl,

Makes sense. Will send you an email.

/Erwin

# December 24, 2004 6:00 AM

Still waiting... said:

All this talk about Bittorrent is great, but let's get to talking about something that is MORE important.... it's Christmas Eve and still no DNR The Movie.... My Christmas is ruined!!!

# December 24, 2004 2:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Ah.. I knew that would come up. My manufacturer JUST missed it. You should get your DVD early next week. They completed the run yesterday (Thursday) and begain shipping then. I gave them an earful. Best I could do, I'm afraid.

# December 24, 2004 3:00 PM

Paul said:

I want my, I want my, I want my D V D.

# December 28, 2004 5:56 PM

Rob R. said:

I just got my DVD in the mail today. It's great!

# December 28, 2004 7:23 PM

Denny said:

Eh, OK...

Carl you ROCK!

I have not seen the DVD yet but I am sure it ROCKS also.

hope that helps you feel better.

PS: the DEC CTP of VS 05 is looking sweet!!

# December 28, 2004 9:10 PM

vbNullString said:

That reminds me... I ordered the movie on 12/5, but haven't received it yet. Sorry, I can't give you a praise for the DVD yet. :)

# December 28, 2004 10:45 PM

SBC said:

I am looking forward to viewing the DVD.. none of Rory's 'wardrobe malfunction' I hope.. ;-)

# December 28, 2004 11:38 PM

John said:

Still have not received it yet but I'll let you know.

# December 29, 2004 2:41 AM

Paul said:

I have not recieved it yet, but I am sure it is on the way.

I call my wife everyday to see if it has shown up.... does that make me a little exicted to recieve it? I am sure she just loves the fact that the only time I call home is to see if .NET Rocks The Movie has shown up.

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't care about anything that I got for Christmas EXCEPT for this DVD. iPod, nah... new computer, nah... Portable Media Center, nah... just .NET Rocks The Movie please. :)

Your doing a great job Carl(and crew)!!

# December 29, 2004 8:04 AM

Paul said:

Good news, my wife said the DVD is there.

# December 29, 2004 3:08 PM

Aaron Junod said:

Got mine today too. Looks great. Can't wait to check it out!

# December 29, 2004 4:25 PM

Afshin said:

Carl:

Were you online wirelessly? Does anyone know if the city of NY provide city wide wireless connections like Philadelphia?

Thanks

# December 29, 2004 4:33 PM

Carl said:

Ashfin, I have a Sprint PCS card which gives me 120k just about everywhere.

# December 29, 2004 6:07 PM

James Curran said:

Certain areas do. I know Bryant Park & Bowling Green do, and I think Union Square Park is wired (wireless) as well. These aren't done by the city but by neighborhood civic organizations.

More details @ http://www.nycwireless.net/

# December 29, 2004 6:09 PM

Steve said:

Hey Carl,
What kind of tablet do you have? I'm currently looking at the Protege as a potential late Christmas present for myself....do you have any tablet recommendations?

# December 29, 2004 7:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

That's what I have, a Toshiba Portege' M200. Note the spelling - Port-e-ge' Got me too.

# December 29, 2004 9:40 PM

Randy Given said:

Good stuff. I really liked the behind-the-scenes part. I also use Adobe Audition (and CoolEdit before it) to denoise and other things. Your studio setup is great, but not always wife-friendly. Good job!

# December 29, 2004 10:54 PM

Frank said:

That's the same model I have. It's the best reviewed model out there. My only complaint is where the windows key on the keyboard is.

Apparently, that's a Toshiba thing --all their laptops have the windows key on the top of the keyboard.

# December 29, 2004 11:48 PM

Paul said:

Just got done watching it. I liked the behind the scenes also. I didn't realize that it took so much hardware to get the show recorded.

I wonder if other podcasters out there have that type of setup.

I didn't catch what the alternative was to the mixing board.

# December 29, 2004 11:55 PM

vbNullString said:

Mine arrived today too!

# December 30, 2004 12:35 AM

Steve said:

Oops, I've had about 3 people correct me on that one. For some reason when I go to type it I always write Protege instead of Portege'

Oh well regardless it sounds like thats the one to get. I haven't found many developers with anything but that model.

Thanks,
Steve

# December 30, 2004 10:42 AM

Mike said:

Carl: I got my DVD on 12/29 and I appreciated your e-mails on the shipment delays. No problem that it arrived after x-mas.

After watching the DVD, I think it's really important that I thank Geoff! I never understood or appreciated all that Geoff does behind-the-scenes to get out the DNR shows (and Mondays, I presume). All the editing, mixing, noise cleanup, etc. appear to be tedious and time consuming tasks. Your DNR and Mondays shows have sound quality unsurpassed by any show/podcast I listen to and it's obvious after watching the DVD that Geoff is a key reason why.

Goeff: thank you for all you do for DNR & Monday shows. I never realized you spent so many hours assembling the shows. You should include more of your verbal content in DNR shows as I think you have a lot to offer -- it was good to hear your commentary in the DVD when you, Richard, Carl and Rory were discussing hardware, liquid-cooled components, cases, etc.

Thanks!

# January 3, 2005 12:11 PM

Brian Kuhn said:

Well worth the $10 price. Amusing and informative. And yes, Goeff is the greatest audio and hardware monkey I have seen in years.

# January 3, 2005 1:37 PM

Sound Monkey said:

It's Geoff, not Goeff, heh. And thanks.

# January 4, 2005 10:06 PM

Mike said:

Sorry Geoff! Nothing like thanking a guy while butchering his name -- Yikes! I got it right the first few times before my seizures started. Again: sorry Jeff (just kidding).

# January 6, 2005 12:59 AM

Stefan said:

Mine arrived this week in good old germany. Thanks for such a nice show !! Can't wait to see the whole DVD...

# January 7, 2005 2:44 PM

WASTHEBEST said:

The movie was fun. I enjoyed the music: it made some lame conversations entertaining. I especially enjoyed you, Carl, walking around with your camera; it was like looking through your eyes. Is it just me, or did everyone have the same initial reaction when you shoved the camera in their face?

The movie was great! Thanks.

# January 7, 2005 9:10 PM

Mark said:

You pay for a 'Service' and you get let down ...

...Please don't mention fasthosts! (Hosting)

Mark

(Me & Others - A.K.A. 'The Customers')

# January 8, 2005 7:47 PM

Carl Franklin said:

So, are you saying you have not received your copy yet? If you send me your real information by email I'll track it for you. Send your info to dotnetrocks@franklins.net

# January 8, 2005 8:25 PM

Ray Booysen said:

So lets see an updated picture of you without the beard!

# January 10, 2005 4:41 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Um... I don't have a beard in my picture (look to the left)

# January 10, 2005 4:52 AM

Ray Booysen said:

Yes, but we need a newer one. Correct me if I am wrong but it is a picture from before you had a beard. Cmon you need to stay up to date :P

Thanks for the great show, just finished Monday's and now moving onto .NET rocks!

# January 10, 2005 6:22 AM

Paul said:

Out of the 4-5 podcasts that I subscribe to, both .NET Rocks and Mondays have, by far, the best sound quality.

Great job. And those British news bytes are absolutely terrific!!

# January 10, 2005 9:07 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks, Paul. :-)

# January 10, 2005 10:26 AM

Jon Galloway said:

Are you or Erwin going to release your code? I'd like to incorporate bittorrent into an app I'm working on, and I'd prefer your code to mine.

# January 10, 2005 5:59 PM

Randy Glenn said:

What about the Richard the Toy Boy contest? I believe there was a question regarding Sue Johanson (which I just happened to answer...)

# January 10, 2005 10:42 PM

James Mahoney said:

Mine arrived in the UK on the 4th of Jan.
Rory sports a fantasic barnet at Tech Ed!
It was good to hear the whole theme song to .NET rocks. Are the lyrics anywhere btw?

# January 11, 2005 7:15 AM

Chris said:

What about a BitTorrent download for mondays?

# January 13, 2005 2:58 AM

rizzo said:

The full show mp3 download cuts off at minute 54.

# January 13, 2005 3:57 AM

Erick Sgarbi said:

I just watched the movie and it was Fun^2. It would be good to get it on yearly basis...

# January 14, 2005 5:21 AM

Paul said:

Full show seems fine to me on my download.

# January 14, 2005 3:18 PM

Benjimawoo said:

... And I bet Geoff was calm, controlled, relaxed and sane about the whole affair.

Shucks, I bet his language didn't even break ;-)

# January 17, 2005 5:52 AM

James said:

NOOoooooo!

I was so looking forward to being able to download the show. Every Tuesday I travel into NYC and listen to the show on my iPod.

Hmmm now what am I going to listen to..oh wait I know...The Franklin Brothers!

# January 17, 2005 7:21 AM

Denny said:

Yow!

Hope al the bits come out right
110101011010010100010011100101010100101010101001010101010100101010100101101001010101

:-)

# January 17, 2005 7:22 AM

Bob Turner said:

Hope there wasn't any beverages nearby, this was on the cards. Better late than never. I'm enjoying the old shows, Jeff Richter is the MAN!!!

# January 17, 2005 7:48 AM

TrackBack said:

# January 17, 2005 11:46 AM

Blotto said:

Just admit it. You spilled Scotch on the server, didn't you?

# January 17, 2005 12:54 PM

TrackBack said:

# January 17, 2005 4:30 PM

Nicholas Sing said:

That means I can't take my weekly dose of .NET drugs until tommorrow. Darn!!! :(
Hopefully there won't be to much problems!!!

# January 17, 2005 7:43 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Carl,

Shareazaa is a non java and much better bittorrent client IMHO.

# January 18, 2005 12:25 AM

TrackBack said:

# January 18, 2005 5:28 AM

Denny said:

is it just me or is perseus.franklins.net having problems today??

aside from the links having a "//" in them I can't seem to get any action for perseus
other than a 500 error.

# January 18, 2005 9:30 AM

Stuart said:

What were those config values for rss channels and filter?

How about putting out a 'DNR The Movie' torrent?

# January 18, 2005 11:50 AM

Chris said:

I am having the same problems with perseus.

# January 18, 2005 4:08 PM

Denny said:

Yeah, still no dice on the downloads.

I don't know what the server used to do so it's hard to say whats wrong...

if I try the torrent I get a DNS / server not found error / page not availible

at one time I got a 500 internal error.

now I just get the not-found or DNS

# January 18, 2005 6:19 PM

Randy Glenn said:

Time to piece the show back together with the chromium-tipped tweezers, eh?

# January 18, 2005 6:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Works for me outside the network. Try flushing your local DNS cache:

ipconfig /flushdns

# January 18, 2005 6:53 PM

Chris said:

Tried flushing, no joy.

What's the ip address?

# January 18, 2005 9:26 PM

Carl Franklin said:

perseus.franklins.net is 69.183.18.181
It changed recently from 69.24.42.81

# January 18, 2005 11:16 PM

Chris said:

Well, that works, thanks.

# January 19, 2005 12:45 AM

Benjimawoo said:

I can't remember which episode number it was, but the song you played out with on Mark Dunn's final episode (he seemed a bit excited about it!) was really funny.

I thought it was, anyway.

# January 19, 2005 1:49 AM

Jon Galloway said:

I'd love a short remix of memorable guest quotes. Juval saying "squirt the code" needs to be repeated over and over.

Thanks for all the great shows!

# January 19, 2005 2:18 AM

Sahil Malik said:

This is how the show should begin --

I'm EXCITED MAN !!! I'm Just SO SO Excited Man !!!

The song played when Mark Dunn left was awesome.

BTW, are you sure Mark Dunn hasn't already been around? ---
http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/sahilmalik/archive/2005/01/10.aspx

(If my fucking blog doesn't throw an error you might be able to see the above link - but I am seriously frustrated of DNJ blog in general now).

# January 19, 2005 3:00 AM

James Hebben said:

Oh man, the recent "dog crapping on the carpet" just has to go in there. I split my sides laughing.

# January 19, 2005 3:58 AM

Denny said:

It works NOW!!!! Yeah!!!!

PS: my DNS had the new address yesterday so that was not it.

at least I don't think it was

I use www.dnsstuff.com and www.dnsreport.com by the way to check for common DNS things.

very good site for doing all kinds of lookups and stuff.

the dnsreport will tell you if any of the settings are not in-spec with the RFC's about DNS and Mail.

# January 19, 2005 8:30 AM

Denny said:

Carl: back to your topic of "Bit Torrent"

as I understand it Bt works best when there are known "seeder" sites that have the content and "trackers" that have pointers to the users who have the content and will feed the torrent to make it fast.

has any thought gone into that part of the whole torrent and podcast thing?

for example I have a web server that I run and I would be glad to allocate a fixed storage for an Archive of at least some of the DNR / Mondays files to help start the sharing.

I have been interested in this but did not want to host the "Warez" torrents as I am a Dev and feel thats not right.

Please let me know, you have my email address in your email or post a message here and we can take the details to the next step.

Denny

# January 19, 2005 8:40 AM

Stan C said:

Please don't include any clips with product evangelists droning on and on.

# January 19, 2005 11:11 AM

flipdoubt said:

Hey, guys. Do any of you know where I can start learning about or asking for a .NET API for BitTorrent? I know nothing about it.

# January 19, 2005 11:56 AM

Brian Kuhn said:

Some come quickly to mind:
1. Rory talking about how to optimize his porn searching and archiving.
2. Mark Dunn's farwell
3. The episode where Carl talks about VS and error messages (Error 2136, blow me...)
4. Carl interviewed by Chris Sells and Rory
5. Kathleen Dollard

# January 19, 2005 12:33 PM

Paul said:

Can't forget Michele's "Chunks" joke. You know, the one that was supposed to be edited out.

# January 19, 2005 2:00 PM

Paul said:

Active Nick shoots......
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but does he score?

# January 19, 2005 2:04 PM

flipdoubt said:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/csharpbt/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bittorrentdotne/

# January 19, 2005 2:24 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Denny,

All we really need is a loose-knit group of bt clients with decent bandwidth, but not necessarily gigundo bandwidth, to consume the podcast feeds and accept incoming connections. Assuming every client hits the bt tracker at more or less the same time, the net effect will be a faster download for all. The key lies in the configuration of the client. We at franklins.net will allocate a certain amount of bandwidth (like about 8 Megabits) to the initial seed, and also run the tracker. If our listeners will share a little of their bandwidth on Monday mornings, it will work, and will only get faster as more people participate.

# January 19, 2005 5:01 PM

DS said:

Good quote: "I'm a machine for turning coffeine into code". From episode Kate Gregory on C+++, VB.NET, and VSTO November 08, 2004

Anything from Mark Pollack, Ted Neward, and Don Box on Java, .NET, and the future, November 17, 2004. I had no clue what they were talking about :))

Big request: a compilation of all the health-issues Rory had.

The best of Google weirdos.

Top ten list of bad bad toys.

I would definitely love to hear about the ones and zeros again!

# January 19, 2005 9:57 PM

flipdoubt said:

Ugh! I am loathe to report that I won't be tempting you all into my lair because I have found a ready-made, .NET based podcasting client with integrated bittorrent. It's called Nimiq, http://nimiq.nl/.

Ever heard of it? Anything you guys don't like about it?

# January 19, 2005 10:31 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I installed a version before they had a bt client. I'm checking it out now.

# January 20, 2005 12:58 AM

Chris said:

Can we have a torrent please?

# January 20, 2005 4:25 AM

flipdoubt said:

I'm trying Nimiq out now and it doesn't seem to be making much progress while downloading the torrent feed you guys used in the tutorial, http://franklins.net/DotNetRocks_torrent.xml.

# January 20, 2005 8:54 AM

Denny said:

Carl,

Yes I know that we/you/us do not need a single huge pipe...

what I was thinking was that a lot of folks would not bother to open the ports and stay online in a way that would get the full power of bt going.

that if as you say we have a "Loose-knit group" it will kick it off.

so I am asking if you want to have a few folks each leave a bt running with some of the shows to form the "first level" of the torrent so that when say 300 folks start to grab a show we have pre-loaded a full copy on say 16 differnt servers around the net to keep them from intialy grabbing all your alloted bandwith.

one other thing related:

I often grab the windows media format to toss it on my Pocket PC to listen to.
but the torrent is just the mp3 format...
perhaps you could add a windows low-fi torrent for the pocket pc's?

# January 20, 2005 11:58 AM

Frank said:

Is anyone else having trouble downloading this?

# January 20, 2005 2:43 PM

Jim Argeropoulos said:

The line I have never forgotten was Stephen Forte's "Dr. Codd wasn't allowed in our database".

# January 20, 2005 2:43 PM

James Mahoney said:

Anything where Rory calls someone an asshole...

# January 20, 2005 3:02 PM

Chris said:

It's really, really slow for me.

# January 20, 2005 3:11 PM

MauricioC said:

I am having problems, too... 7KB/s was as fast as I could get the download going, but not for much long. 3KB/s is the average speed I'm getting from perseus.

# January 20, 2005 4:09 PM

MK said:

My average speed is 5KBps. Please host these shows using BitTorrent in the future.

# January 20, 2005 4:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

One bittorrent coming up.

Yes, we are having bandwidth cut back for 10 days or so.

# January 20, 2005 6:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Here it is:

http://perseus.franklins.net/Mondays_0006.mp3.torrent

The file list on the page is also updated

# January 20, 2005 6:23 PM

MauricioC said:

Much better now, thanks!

# January 20, 2005 7:25 PM

Thanks anyway Carl :)

I'll see you at the rescheduled date :).

Bill Oddie said:

Wow the site looks great. :-)

# January 28, 2005 5:45 PM

TrackBack said:

# January 28, 2005 5:53 PM

Erick Sgarbi said:

It does look very nice indeed.... I love the graphics on the site..very nice on the eyes and feels pretty light on the browser...

# January 28, 2005 6:06 PM

Rob said:

Carl, please god get the download speed problem fixed so I can get my DNR fix!

# January 28, 2005 8:25 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Rob, send me an email so we can talk about it, ok? carl@franklins.net

# January 28, 2005 8:32 PM

Koan Bremner said:

Kudos on providing a Bit Torrent alternative; why not have an RSS feed (which contains just the .torrent files) as well, so that clients (e.g. jPodder, or Azureus with one of the RSS plug-ins) that can handle torrents will download the shows via *that* route? Because, sadly, the fractured downloads ain't fixed; I've just tried again, and am still getting "Error: Read timed out" and "Error: Connection reset" messages in jPodder (connecting from the UK using 568 kbps ADSL). Other than that, wicked site, great shows, and 'nuff respect to you all!

# January 28, 2005 8:50 PM

Koan Bremner said:

Ha! Just spotted that you *do* have a Bit Torrent RSS feed, i.e. http://mondays.pwop.com/Mondays_BitTorrent.xml (but, in my defence, it doesn't appear to be listed with the other RSS feeds).

# January 28, 2005 8:55 PM

Denny said:

Looks like RoadRunner Tampa is Borked tonight!!

Big Lag and some timeouts on my end :-(

# January 28, 2005 9:43 PM

Ian said:

Looks cool
I am not sure how guitarist will take to it.
Digital guitars never seem to take off.
Us synth players seem to take to new technology faster than guitar players.
Prehaps because the Gibson Le Paul is prety much the perfect guitar all ready while synth can always improve

BTW Have you seen Korg's new Oasys synth, its a Linux based hardware/software synth
see www.korg.com around $8000!

# January 29, 2005 3:00 AM

Ian said:

Great design
I have been listening to a lot of Podcasts and none comes close to the quaity of the production and contentof Mondays and .net rocks

# January 29, 2005 4:08 AM

dank said:

I don't know man, some things should be left sacred, and the Les Paus is *definitely* one of them. As big of a geek as I am, I say no, but I'm still interested in hearing it. Let me know if you find one around here to check out Carl.

# January 29, 2005 11:24 AM

Remondo said:

No way... this pipe is smokin'

# January 29, 2005 12:54 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We have about 5 Megabits turned on right now. We will be back up to about 8 or 10 in a few days. All that said, it looks like the cutoff problem may be history.

# January 29, 2005 12:57 PM

Randy Glenn said:

Looks good in Safari. Any chance of getting a BT Podcasting feed for the AAC version?

# January 29, 2005 7:55 PM

Carl Franklin said:

All of our podcast feeds are going to be torrent files starting this week.

# January 29, 2005 8:04 PM

James Mahoney said:

The menus down the left don't work for me - radM1 is null or not an object... (Ie6, xp sp2)

It'd be nice if the text size took account of my text size settings so I don't have to strain my eyes so much.

Other than that, it looks nice.

# January 30, 2005 3:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Any chance of getting a BT Podcasting feed for the AAC version?

Done

# January 30, 2005 9:08 PM

John Saunders said:

Looks great to me in FireFox and IE. I'm glad too, the current site didn't do justice for you guys.

# January 30, 2005 10:51 PM

A'braham Barakhyahu said:

How feasable would it be to have a browser plugin client for bit torrent? This would do two things:

1. Make it more accessible for anyone to download via bt.

2. Make it more accessible for anyone to download via bt.

The initial setup of bt (opening the right ports,etc) is not for the non-tech. Also this alone might bring TOO much attention to bt (remember kaaza? and napster). Too much attention brings someone who wants to ruin it for us. What do you think?

# January 31, 2005 10:26 AM

Rob Bazinet said:

Great site Carl. I love the new changes and the fact you have a list of the upcoming guests is a nice touch on the front page.

The bandwith problems are a killer though, I hope they get fixed soon. Even if they were just plan slow it would be OK but the fact the connection gets dropped is a real pain.

# January 31, 2005 10:44 AM

Afshin said:

Carl:

HUGE lag on my side for both DNR and Mondays (3-4 hrs. download estimates) and of course the eventual download cut off. The results are the same for both home and office!

Afshin

Tracing route to perseus.franklins.net [69.183.18.181]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.10.1

2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms std070.astm.org [198.137.232.70]

3 12 ms 12 ms 18 ms 500.MFR27.GW6.PIT1.ALTER.NET [157.130.79.49]

4 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms 554.at-6-0-0.CL1.PIT1.ALTER.NET [152.63.40.102]

5 20 ms 18 ms 18 ms 0.so-5-2-0.XL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.32.126]

6 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms POS6-0.BR3.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.38.117]

7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 151.164.249.249

8 20 ms 20 ms 21 ms bb1-p2-0.hrndva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.191.133]

9 21 ms 22 ms 20 ms bb2-p6-0.hrndva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.22]

10 21 ms 23 ms 20 ms core2-p5-0.chrnva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.137]

11 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms core2-p3-0.crnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.197]

12 26 ms 26 ms 31 ms core1-p8-0.crnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.85]

13 26 ms 29 ms 26 ms bb1-p3-0.nycmny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.33]

14 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms bb1-p9-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [151.164.241.70]

15 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms ded2-g9-3-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [66.159.184.119]

16 178 ms 168 ms 126 ms Interbridge-Networking-IAF1093065.cust.snet.net [69.182.114.54]

17 94 ms 154 ms 147 ms perseus.franklins.net [69.183.18.181]

Trace complete.

# January 31, 2005 11:06 AM

Mike said:

Carl: I believe the slow download speed issue has returned. I downloaded last week's DNR AAC format fine on Friday but today the dowload is crawling again for the 1/31 DNR show. Thanks.

# January 31, 2005 1:29 PM

Carl Franklin said:

BitTorrent is your friend. Lots of people are using it to get DNR and Mondays. I've had lots of emails from happy downloaders.

# January 31, 2005 2:01 PM

Cintask Airer said:

Carl,

I got to ask, are you intentionally lowering the bandwith in order to force people to use bit torrent?

-cintask aier

Tracing route to perseus.franklins.net [69.183.18.181]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.2.1

2 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.245

3 5 ms 4 ms 5 ms unf.tacnet.com [63.160.66.1]

4 15 ms 9 ms 9 ms sl-gw5-kc-6-0-0-TS15.sprintlink.net [144.232.132.61]

5 9 ms 10 ms 22 ms sl-bb21-kc-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.23.2]

6 20 ms 19 ms 42 ms sl-bb26-fw-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.63]

7 20 ms 24 ms 20 ms sl-bb23-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.41]

8 116 ms 92 ms 58 ms sl-bb22-atl-6-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.66]

9 36 ms 37 ms 36 ms sl-bb21-atl-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.149]

10 52 ms 52 ms 53 ms sl-bb21-rly-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.177]

11 62 ms 53 ms 85 ms sl-bb23-rly-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.134]

12 53 ms 54 ms 54 ms sl-st20-ash-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.152]

13 54 ms 54 ms 63 ms sl-sbcint-2-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.246.38]

14 54 ms 58 ms 67 ms bb2-p11-0.hrndva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.40.54]

15 58 ms 59 ms 62 ms core2-p2-0.crhnva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.191.101]

16 67 ms 60 ms 60 ms core2-p3-0.crnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.197]

17 59 ms 61 ms 74 ms core1-p8-0.crnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.85]

18 70 ms 95 ms 62 ms bb1-p3-0.nycmny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.33]

19 62 ms 70 ms 69 ms bb1-p9-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [151.164.241.70]

20 63 ms 64 ms 63 ms ded2-g2-3-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [66.159.184.105]

21 76 ms 110 ms 82 ms Interbridge-Networking-IAF1093065.cust.snet.net [69.182.114.54]

22 86 ms 86 ms 81 ms perseus.franklins.net [69.183.18.181]

Trace complete.

# January 31, 2005 3:26 PM

PS said:

Check out the description of the show.... click on episodes (on the left) and scroll through the description...

http://www.aetv.com/caesars247/

# January 31, 2005 4:02 PM

PS said:

How long did it take to get the sites to be redesigned and implemented?

# January 31, 2005 4:10 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I got to ask, are you intentionally lowering the bandwith in order to force people to use bit torrent? <

I can't believe you think we would even consider such a stupid move. We are suggesting bittorrent because we're having a bandwidth crunch, and we realize that podcasting without bittorrent (or some other p2p protocol) doesn't scale. Ask Adam Curry about his problems with podcast downloads.

I don't know if you noticed, but the IP Addresses for all of franklins.net changed right before the crunch. That's because the ISP had to move over to another provider prematurely. I was killing his pipe and his customers were complaining. He shopped around for the best deal, and found he had to go with a new upstream provider. The current provider dropped him before the new PVC could be built. Right now we're limping along on an emergency pipe that's only 5 Megabitgs. During business hours he has me scaled down to 3.5 and I get almost the entire 5 the rest of the time.

So, a new 10MB pipe is going in *any day now* at which time we'll be back to normal. Until then just bear with us.

That said, BitTorrent works under these circumstances. So use it.

# January 31, 2005 5:28 PM

Chris Lundie said:

My TV guide says "computer programmers try to pick up a woman". Who could resist that?

It repeats at 2AM tonight and then at 6PM on Saturday. No excuses!

# January 31, 2005 8:27 PM

Chris Lundie said:

Oh, those times are EST (the one true time zone).

# January 31, 2005 8:29 PM

Randy Glenn said:

Nick: A country lowers its head in shame.

"I can read a grocery list and turn you on?" How hard were you looking to get slapped?

# January 31, 2005 11:17 PM

ActiveNick said:

Ok ok, take your best shots... have fun!

# January 31, 2005 11:20 PM

ActiveNick said:

For the record, that line *has* worked before... and that camera just cramped my style dude!

# January 31, 2005 11:21 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Anyone want to leave us a comment by phone we can play on the show? Leave a message at (877) 273-4838

# January 31, 2005 11:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Or outside the US: (860) 447-9610

# January 31, 2005 11:22 PM

PS said:

Nick, Nick, Nick.... wrong place, wrong time.

You would have gotten more action from those woman at the very beginning of the show that were making bets (while drinking). At least she would have kissed your tattoo (if you have one).

I'm sure the pain you felt was equivalent to the guy who got his chest waxed.

Rory was hilarious.

# January 31, 2005 11:25 PM

Richard Campbell said:

I explained it to my wife this way: "Hey, he's French Canadian, what did you expect?"

She understood then.

# January 31, 2005 11:28 PM

ActiveNick said:

lol... well I certainly would have loved to meet those girl from the beginning. I don't have any tattoo but I'm sure we could have worked something out :)

Oh, and PS... no pain, alcool numbs that!

I have to slap Rory though... I am NOT middle-aged! lol

# January 31, 2005 11:35 PM

PS said:

Well to give you SOME credit... you had the balls to talk to her as the other 3 stooges sat back and laughed. (Okay, okay... I know.. Carl is married)

# January 31, 2005 11:40 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Geoff and Rory both have girlfriends. Rory just stepped in to be funny.

# January 31, 2005 11:41 PM

ActiveNick said:

I figured I'd rather be the idiot who got turned down than the idiot who sat back, stared at her until she left, and did nothing.

# January 31, 2005 11:50 PM

PS said:

You guys were all great... definitely worth staying up for.

# January 31, 2005 11:51 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

God damn it, I live in Germany and I couldn't watch it. Did anybody record it? I really wanna see that!!!! If somebody did then please share it with bittorrent or edonkey!!!!

# February 1, 2005 3:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Someone is giving me a WMV, which I will post a torrent file to

# February 1, 2005 3:41 AM

Ian Dixon said:

sound great, its a shame its not on in the UK a torrent download would be cool

# February 1, 2005 4:40 AM

Remondo said:

WTF is Nick? And why is he active?

# February 1, 2005 5:38 AM

Aaron Junod said:

He certainly wasn't active last night. Seems like he got out pimped by about 40 fold.

I loved Rory's comment about being Canadian, and measured in metric. Very nice..

The rear view mirror line may have worked before, but you really shouldn't take that as a cue to do it AGAIN! :)

# February 1, 2005 7:43 AM

Erick Sgarbi said:

Today i downloaded a show from 2 weeks ago but downloading the mp3 directly was giving up on 1.6kbs, so i decided to have the torrent a go and it was smoking at 25kbs (Great!!!), I have a 256kbs DSL downstream... I really liked this torrent stuff...

# February 1, 2005 8:15 AM

NJ John said:

With a game like that, ActiveNick must have an ActiveWrist, eh?

:-D

Best part was when Carl looked over, shook his head and said "Oh no... he's talking about software development!"

# February 1, 2005 8:19 AM

NJ John said:

Nick, you're right - at least you had the cajones to try. At one point it looked like she was actually warming up to you. Did you at least get her number off-camera?

# February 1, 2005 8:26 AM

Wierd. said:

funny, I pegged you for gay.

# February 1, 2005 9:12 AM

Canuck said:

It's funny that Nick is Canadian yet Rory is the one using "EH" when he talks. "got to keep feeding the monkey eh". Rewind the tape, I did, I couldn't believe it.

I was gonna save this for "the other guy" but Nick, my god, you are a "Chocolate Thief". You've got the right look for radio my friend (internet based or otherwise).

Carl, can you shave the beard and let Nick put it on his head? Help the man out!

# February 1, 2005 9:13 AM

Markus Egger said:

Personally I thought it was funny that they needed subtitles when Nick talked ;-)

# February 1, 2005 9:39 AM

ActiveNick said:

Ok ok... I don't mind a little ribbin' but I have to step up and defend myself a little here dammit... bunch of bastards!

FYI this is TV: They "edited" me guys... they used all my lines out of context and presented it as my approach. Do you really think that what you saw is all I said? We talked for a solid 10 minutes before Rory interrupted me. I would never use lines like that out of the blue, there was a conversation leading to them.

NJ John, yes, she was actually very warm to me in the first part before Rory crashed my parade. Ask Carl, he noticed it too. She was flirting back for a while too. But they did not show it and what they did is used all the weird faces she made at one point or another and showed only that. You can even notice my jaw movements not matching what I say during those times when the camera is in my back.

Remondo... try to make it to the next conference or party and hang out with us. There is more to ActiveNick than what you saw on screen. And bring your girlfriend if you have one... I can show her other reasons you would never find out about too.

Wierd, thank you. Most of the gays I know in Manhattan are very cool and stylish. I'll take that as a compliment :)

Aaron, I agree. That damn Rory was hilarious. The whole "slot machine" and "feed the monkey" spiel lasted at least 5 minutes, but they only showed 5 seconds. We were all rolling on the floor laughing when they interviewed him at that point. And there were a lot of hilarious comments I heard on the show from Carl and Rory I did not know about since I was too busy with the chicka... damn that was funny!

Canuck... I shave my head on purpose. This is my look and reflects who I am. My only problem is the damn thing keeps growing back. Trust me, I look better this way anyways. I may not be no George Clooney but then again none of us on Mondays is... lol! As long as you keep tuning in every week dude!

But in the end, we had a lot of fun and it was hilarious, even if I looked like a complete dork. They certainly edited this in a very funny way. We sure gave them a lot of sound bites to use... haha! It was all for the good of Mondays. Thanks for watching folks, and spread the word!

PS No one got my "Just go wash your hands" line to Rory? :)

# February 1, 2005 10:08 AM

Canuck said:

"Trust me, I look better this way anyways."

I say grow it back and let your adoring fans decide. Take pics at certain stages of growth and let the pulse of the people be heard!

Carl, and gang, love the Monday shows. Keep up the awesome work! The Clementine was great. Please "whip it out" (your guitar) more often!

# February 1, 2005 10:29 AM

ActiveNick said:

Hair???? Never!!!

I get lazy sometimes and end up with 1/4" of hair and I got NUTS!!! The damn thing just feels so annoying on my head.

Maybe Dax can Photoshop me some hair in different stages to save me the hassle...

Glad you love the show... we certainly have a blast doing it. Now that we have "adoring fans" I have to find a way to get real groupies, lol!

# February 1, 2005 10:51 AM

ActiveNick said:

Markus... subtitles??? LOL, look who's talking!!!

# February 1, 2005 1:12 PM

Peter Stathakos said:

Very funny stuff guys. I'm sure it was all taken out of context and even my wife mentioned that's why people think software developers are all socially inept geeks.

Nick, I missed the "go wash your hands" line but I did hear the girl talk about why she thought Rory was gay :D

# February 1, 2005 1:18 PM

ActiveNick said:

lol, yeah I loved it when she thought Rory was talking about his "male ideal" because he was into guys.

It's essentially when i came back to the girl and interrupted Rory. I pretty much told him I wanted my seat back or something, and then just said "Just go wash your hands". It was hard to hear but was in the subtitles, lol

# February 1, 2005 1:40 PM

Andrew Baum said:

The problems with torrents is that atleast one person has to be sharing. It looks like Carl has a system setup seeding full time, and I've got a system (12.22.32.*) on a T3 seeding all the full mp3's available on the tracker. The more people filling to leave their client up to seed the better all around.

Carl, any reason all the shows aren't up on the tracker, are you only seeding what's in the RSS feeds?

# February 1, 2005 2:13 PM

Markus Egger said:

Nick: "Look" who's talking? See, that's the point! Apparently the producers thought that when you talk, there needs to be something to *look* at at the bottom of the screen. When I talk, people are usually ok listening... ;-)

# February 1, 2005 2:18 PM

ActiveNick said:

They're not listening... they're just blankly staring at you, thinking "That's the ugliest woman I've ever seen!" lol

# February 1, 2005 2:21 PM

Markus Egger said:

I think that's hair-envy speaking here... LOL

# February 1, 2005 2:23 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Carl, any reason all the shows aren't up on the tracker?

Just the time it takes to make the torrent files. I wanted to concentrate on the hardest hit files first and see how it went.

Looks like it's working. Maybe we could put up the other ones on Thursday after we record Mondays.

# February 1, 2005 3:05 PM

Rob Windsor said:

If you could have combined Rory's *special* kind of wit, Nick's French-Canadian-ness and Geoff Maciolek's hair you would have scored for sure.

# February 1, 2005 10:24 PM

Leigh Kendall said:

Like the changes! However, the only two "complaints" that come to mind are that I think the old site was easier in finding past shows; no need to click through pages. Also, how 'bout stretching the layout to fit the whole screen?

Other than that, it looks MUCH more professional.

# February 2, 2005 8:06 AM

Leigh Kendall said:

You might want to consider a new blog too. .TEXT is slow and seems prone to throwing errors it seems.

# February 2, 2005 8:08 AM

Jeff L said:

Is this show going to air again? Which episode is it?
http://www.aetv.com/aesearch/search.do?keywords=caesars

# February 2, 2005 9:43 AM

Ryan said:

So.. any news on a torrent for us eurotrash?

# February 2, 2005 11:52 AM

Carl Franklin said:

On the torrent. I am asking permission of A&E for us to put up a video file. We must respect their wishes, but I'm hoping they will say yes.

# February 2, 2005 2:32 PM

Afshin said:

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is how did you guys happen to take the picture with that chic and A&E crew, the one that Nick is tightly holding her!?

Can you guys explain when that group picture was taken?

Thanks

# February 2, 2005 2:51 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I think the problem here, Ashfin, is that we're seeing an effect that scientists call the "Television Time Shift." When we see something on TV our brain naturally thinks it is happening RIGHT THEN AND THERE when actually it has most likely been recorded several months prior and edited before being shown on TV. The picture you seeing on the blog was actually taken months ago, and yet the brain wants to drag it into the future and place it with the airing of the TV episode. Therein lies your confusion, I think.

Hope this helps. :-)

# February 2, 2005 3:01 PM

Chris Lundie said:

The episode is called "The Games People Play". It's on at least 2 more times this month.

http://www.aetv.com/aesearch/search.do?keywords=games+people+play

# February 2, 2005 8:16 PM

ActiveNick said:

Oh yeah... I was holding her real tight! Maybe one day you guys will see the Special Edition Director's Cut DVD with the alternate ending.

# February 2, 2005 9:09 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I got a response from A&E on a request to stream the clip, which was made by the producer on my behalf:

“At this time we do not authorize streaming of clips over the Internet. I am sorry to say that the requestor is going to have to just make reference to the show and ask his audience to trust him on this.”

:-(

# February 3, 2005 3:36 PM

Canuck said:

Re: A&E says "GO TO HELL", err, I mean they say "No".

Perhaps Rory could, while respecting A&E's copyright stuff, create an artists rendering of what happened on the show. With his highly detailed drawings you should still be able to see what happened like you were watching it live!

# February 4, 2005 10:11 AM

TrackBack said:

Upcoming .NET Developer Events in Greater Boston

# February 6, 2005 11:08 AM

dsuspense said:

Hey Carl,

Do you write off (taxes) your musical production equipment and instruments as part of the operating expense for PWOP productions?

# February 7, 2005 12:14 PM

Carl Franklin said:

You bet.

# February 7, 2005 1:53 PM

Carl Franklin said:

OK, it's done. We now have torrents for all the shows.

# February 8, 2005 7:32 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Yup, noticed that this weekend and tagged all the full mp3's to download and seed. Not sure how accurate Azureus is on its statistic page, but it claims I've sent out over 50gbs since last week.

# February 8, 2005 11:52 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sweet! I love BitTorrent!

# February 9, 2005 12:01 AM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Carl? Is this you? The years have changed you man.

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0002083/

# February 10, 2005 10:13 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Yeah, seems to work pretty well. I'm up to 72gb total, with 22.3gb in the last 3days. The maximum total outbound I've seen was around 1,100K, that was Monday afternoon. Typically there's anywhere from 80k-200k going when I check.

# February 11, 2005 4:26 PM

David_F said:

You missed a great "Best of DNR" friday night. Sunday show is 5am!!! Monday morning in OZ. Oh well early start

# February 11, 2005 11:44 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I should qualify that. There were only a few people in the chat room and we took some of the clips for a spin for the fun of it. Gonna be a great show!

# February 11, 2005 11:53 PM

Jens Winter said:

Hey Carl this is wonderful news!
I really(!) planned on staying up at two in the morning this time to listen to your show live for the first time. But as always I didn't manage it.
Looking forward to sunday. :)

# February 12, 2005 1:29 AM

Jon Croonenberghs said:

This brewski is for all the .NET Rocks crew. It is great to see you all keep this rocking. And Carl I love your guitar! Keep this pod casting rolling. Now this next brewski is for all you podcast chatters on Friday night. You and your Mondays geeks are having too much fun, can I drive! :) Now the next brewski is for splitting your nonsense gigs from the technogeek .NET Rocks discussions. I like to be able to comprehend technology discussions before being entertained with tales of poh, digital bytes and women transforming into lesbians.

K E E P
R O C K I N !

Jon In Golden

# February 12, 2005 1:47 AM

Kevin Goff said:

I want to hear some more of Rory's music....Please?

# February 12, 2005 4:16 PM

Carl Franklin said:

He has only published a few songs, and they are available at http://www.neopoleon.com

# February 12, 2005 5:25 PM

flipdoubt said:

Lord knows its possible I've gone blind, but I can no longer find a link to the RSS feed that contains enclosures. The file is still there at http://www.franklins.net/DotNetRocks_AAC.xml but there is no link at http://dotnetrocks.com.

Does this mean John C. Dvorak won?

# February 13, 2005 10:30 AM

Ralph Loizzo said:

2:30pm EST means what, like 1:30 EDT?

So 2:30 central daylight time?

# February 13, 2005 10:45 AM

Sahil Malik said:

This'll be one KICKASS show !!

# February 13, 2005 11:41 AM

Carl Franklin said:

EST is GMT-5

# February 13, 2005 2:00 PM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Yeah, uh, I uh forgot we're in Standard not Daylight time. One too many bottles of scotch in my life I guess.

1:30 pm CST. Got it. <PWOP>

:)

# February 13, 2005 2:06 PM

denny said:

I Guess the downloads are late due to the sunday recording slot eh??

any kind of ETA for them??

Dang I hated missing most of the live show but life happens!

:-)

# February 14, 2005 8:16 AM

NJJohn said:

So long Rory. :-(

Hello, Richard. :-)

# February 14, 2005 12:08 PM

ActiveNick said:

Interesting... I had no idea you were on IMDB Carl...

The funny thing is I'm in there too. Check here at http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1572912

And no, this is not a joke, this is really me back from my 1998-2000 days when I co-founded a VFX company doing movies, music videos and TV commercials. Those are the 3 movies I worked on, and I also did dozens of TV commercials a few award-winning videos. I should submit my pic too.

That's why I looked like such a dork on A&E, I'm not used to being in front of the camera... hehe.

# February 14, 2005 12:52 PM

ActiveNick said:

I'll take some of the flak for DNR's lateness because it is in small part because of me. My Superbowl bit for Mondays was a nightmare to edit and I personally worked on it over the weekend at Carl's studio. But since my editing skills are nowhere near Geoff's, and because I had recorded almost 4 hours of material (filled with over 90% or raw "noise") to produce a 10-12 minutes bit, I was not done in time when we started DNR #100.

This meant that several hours had to be spent by myself, Geoff and then Carl (I left early to head back to NYC) after the DNR broadcast/record was over to finish my Mondays bit and then the final Mondays edit. I'm sure these two pulled another long all-nighter.

Carl and Geoff are real troopers and sacrifice their own personal lives and undergo severe sleep deprivation to bring you DNR and Mondays, but they never sacrifice quality. I, for one, am very grateful to work with such cool and dedicated guys.

How's that for a public outing Geoff? Did I make up for it? You rock man! It was fun to see you two again this weekend!

# February 14, 2005 1:03 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Man I hope DNR 100 is uncensored.

# February 14, 2005 4:06 PM

Carl Franklin said:

This from the guy who said we were "sick sick sick" :-)

# February 14, 2005 4:09 PM

Frank said:

Still getting less than 12.0 KB/sec download speed - should be able to tell you if I got show #99 in about 75 minute.

# February 14, 2005 4:17 PM

ActiveNick said:

Hey Carl

You used to start a comment blog entry for each Mondays episode, but stopped doing it. Until the day when we have a Mondays blog, do you think you could start one with each episode where everyone can discuss the current show? You could also provide a "Discuss the show here" link on the Mondays site to make it easy for listeners to find it.

I for one would really love to hear the comments from our listener(s). We need to know if we suck, and also what works. Mondays is extreme radio programming... we have to refactor the design model as we keep doing it (how geeky was that?)

# February 14, 2005 4:17 PM

mrpeabody said:

... umm... Mondays has a "design model"? :-p

# February 14, 2005 4:38 PM

Sahil Malik said:

But dude, you are "SICK SICK SICK" :)
(Flushing sound).

# February 14, 2005 4:40 PM

denny said:

about nicks idea: http://www.telligentsystems.com/Solutions/forums/
seems like a nice package!

also I am thinking: the IRC web chat is nice but perhaps something .net could be done??

I'd be willing to code up something if there was interest....

a smart client that does IRC or perhaps an "IRC / IM like" app that is just for the live shows ???
just thinking it would be slick to do some thing like that....

but perhaps there is some stuff already that would be better??

# February 14, 2005 4:49 PM

Derek said:

Hey Carl,

Just downloaded the full wma version with FireFox , the FlashGet extension, and Free Download Manager with no problems.

Thanks,
Derek

# February 14, 2005 5:25 PM

mrpeabody said:

Carl, just downloaded Episode50 from Perseus (one I missed), with no problems. You have it throttled still? 6.6 KB/s, took just over an hour.

# February 14, 2005 5:45 PM

David said:

Just downloaded Mondays #10 show... Had couple of coutoffs so far, but not with all my DNS/Mondaysdownloads. #10 was fast (~100kB/s) and complete. Tnx.

# February 15, 2005 3:45 AM

Chris said:

I am getting 'error: torrent unathorised'

Any ideas?

Anyone want gmail, send me an email. You should be able to figure out my adress from the website.

# February 15, 2005 5:23 AM

mrpeabody said:

Same here "tracker error - torrent not authorised". Looking at http://torrent.pwop.com:6969/ , Show 100 doesn't appear yet.

# February 15, 2005 5:31 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Were you trying the wma or mp3 stream?

# February 15, 2005 5:34 AM

mrpeabody said:

mp3 - still getting that message here

# February 15, 2005 5:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Should be rockin now.

# February 15, 2005 5:42 AM

mrpeabody said:

Running now, thanks Carl... now go get some sleep man!

# February 15, 2005 5:44 AM

Chris said:

Working for me too. Almost done...

# February 15, 2005 6:34 AM

Bob Connor said:

I was getting that I installed Azureus(see the tutorial). Dear Mr.Blyth, it's the end of an era.

# February 15, 2005 7:12 AM

Aaron Junod said:

Sorry to see you go Rory, but welcome Richard! (for the next 50 shows or so :) Got to listen to the first 40 minutes or so on the way into work today and so far its a great show. Oh, and the BTR mp3 worked great this AM, I should be seeding all day too.

Congrats Carl and the rest of the team on the 100th episode. Your show is a huge contribution to the community, thanks!

# February 15, 2005 8:19 AM

Rob Bazinet said:

Carl,

I am trying to download show 100 on IE6 and it keeps stopping. The problem seems to persist.

I hope you shoot your ISP, this bandwidth is TERRIBLE. Time to get a real ISP.

# February 15, 2005 8:59 AM

TrackBack said:

# February 15, 2005 9:52 AM

SBC said:

I survived the ~2 hours listening to it!
:-)
Congratulations on this milestone!
http://weblogs.asp.net/sbchatterjee/archive/2005/02/15/372986.aspx

# February 15, 2005 9:53 AM

Dan said:

I can't get pass 12%.

# February 15, 2005 10:15 AM

Maurício said:

DevConnections as in "Connection films"? I hope not.

# February 15, 2005 10:19 AM

Canuck said:

Is the d/l of the MP3 working for anyone? It cuts short for me at about 10MB.

Guess I may have to wait until I get home to try the torrent d/l.

damn

# February 15, 2005 10:34 AM

James said:

I keep getting like 3.5k, and it stopped a few times. Still haven't finished downloading 100. The bit torrent wasn't working, there were 4 peers and yet it wasn't downloading or uploading.

# February 15, 2005 10:37 AM

Wallym said:

Congratulations on your 100th Show!!!!!!!!!!

# February 15, 2005 10:40 AM

denny said:

seems like the server is busy or the badnwith is still weak....

from www.dnsstuff.com:

Pinging perseus.franklins.net [69.183.18.181]:

Ping #1: Got reply from 69.183.18.181 in 282ms [TTL=107]
Ping #2: Got reply from 69.183.18.181 in 250ms [TTL=107]
Ping #3: Got reply from 69.183.18.181 in 362ms [TTL=107]
Ping #4: Got reply from 69.183.18.181 in 280ms [TTL=107]

Done pinging perseus.franklins.net!

and I am getting very slow time on a TORRENT!
andf often losing peer / tracker status.

Carl? is this bandwith or perhaps that new http.sys ??

# February 15, 2005 10:46 AM

Andrew Baum said:

denny,
Do you have your BT client setup correctly, and the correct port ranges opened on your firewall? That's the typical problem when getting slow speeds for a torrent. There should be plenty of bandwidth in the full mp3 swarm, I sync with Carls tracker every 10 minutes and I'm seeding on a full T3 with very low utilization.

# February 15, 2005 11:08 AM

vbNullString said:

Congratulations, Carl! I giving you a shout-out in my blog!

http://www.vbaspcoder.com/PermaLink,guid,1d290262-91f6-49cc-b7f0-f0f939b13c32.aspx

# February 15, 2005 11:24 AM

vbNullString said:

Of course, it was in Japanese. hehe

# February 15, 2005 11:24 AM

Frank said:

I'm just downloading show #100 .AAC. Been downloading for three hours and only have 51% of the file. At least it hasn't timed out of been droped yet....

# February 15, 2005 12:07 PM

Frank said:

Carl,

Do you have any statistics on the number of connections to your server?

# February 15, 2005 12:08 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It will all be back to normal soon. Thanks for being...ah... patient. ;-0

# February 15, 2005 12:29 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It will all be back to normal soon. Thanks for being...ah... patient. ;-0

# February 15, 2005 12:29 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Lets face it, the server is getting hammered today. Tonight it should be much faster simply because of the traffic

# February 15, 2005 12:42 PM

Andrew Baum said:

I'll start syncing wma, and AAC feeds for both DNR and Mondays. That should help a bit.

# February 15, 2005 1:01 PM

Frank said:

Number 100 is probably in high demand. I just checked on the progress and it looks like it stalled at 52% sometime between 3 and 4 hours after the start.

This bring up an important issue - as podcasting becomes more and more poplular, bit torrent transfers will slowly become the only way to receive content from providers.

I don't think the will ever be enough corporate sponership to pay for the ever increasing bandwith needs to not use bit torrent.

# February 15, 2005 1:07 PM

Carl Franklin said:

>> This bring up an important issue - as podcasting becomes more and more poplular, bit torrent transfers will slowly become the only way to receive content from providers. <<

This is my mantra these days

# February 15, 2005 1:32 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Okay good, I can stick with IE then.

# February 15, 2005 1:45 PM

ActiveNick said:

Aaaah, the joys of being an MVP... I received a mail from my MVP lead a solid 6 minutes before this post. Wow, what a competitive advantage! lol

Good news though.

# February 15, 2005 2:02 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Carl,
The torrent file for DotNetRocks_0100.wma is corrupt, no peers are able to download, and the torrent reports a size around 39.8mb when is should around 77.8ish.

# February 15, 2005 2:09 PM

denny said:

Andrew: you got it man!!!

I was pulling the WMA torrent for my pocket pc and it was showing the wrong size!!!

and yes I have my local firewall set to let torrent work right. Normaly I get a very fast feed.

# February 15, 2005 2:38 PM

denny said:

OK so I bet we see two things:

1) IE 7.0 gets secure and breaks a bunch of stuff.....
2) IE 7.0 is released as a "Beta" for 6 to 12 months due to item #1

so really it won't be out faster.... we will just have a go at the beta for a long time while the guys at MSFT try to reduce the breaking chnages or document the ones they can't resolve.

mind you I like most things from the MSFT folks.... I just see a lot to be done to get "Up to speed" and that it's not just secuirty it's the length of time IE has been inactive in the dev-side and the related chnages in the market etc....
I think it's just gonna be a long haul to "Get it right" ALA XP SP2 stuff...

# February 15, 2005 2:46 PM

denny said:

Yep, MP3 in less than 10 minutes... looks like 5-6'ish

full WMA torrent is brocken / bad / evil

# February 15, 2005 2:50 PM

Phred said:

I'm getting the same thing. WMA feed is showing as 39.9MB in BitTorrent client, I'm getting only 3Kbps download and no-one seems to be pulling an upload from me (most of the time, I'm seeing 30-60Kbps upload while I'm downloading a DNR show--0Kbps today).

# February 15, 2005 4:21 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Try getting the mp3 version if you don't want to wait for Carl to recreate the wma .torret file for Show #100.

# February 15, 2005 4:36 PM

Sahil Malik said:

ActiveNick, being an MVP, how many emails do u get regarding such updates everyday?

# February 15, 2005 8:55 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Fixed. Twas a bad file that, when rebuilt, did not get copied to the webserver. Sorry it took all day to fix. I was chillin with the wife (making up for publishing dnr 100 on vd day) :-)

# February 15, 2005 9:43 PM

Ian said:

I managed to Tivo it.

It's classic Carl and Rory - I just wish they'd aired you more!

# February 15, 2005 9:47 PM

Chris said:

Took 2 hours to download mp3 part A and was dropped once. Tried part B, dropped twice, gave up after three hours but will try again tonight.

# February 16, 2005 4:04 AM

denny said:

Hey Carl... as they say "Shit Happens"
:-)

# February 16, 2005 12:39 PM

Mike said:

So Carl: are the downloads basically Torrent or else? The non-torrent downloads are painfully slow (naturally) and may time-out. Are you loosing listeners that don't (or can't due to company policy) install a torrent client? I'm missing the old days when the AAC or MP3 files (non torrent) downloaded at a nice clip. Yeah, I can download a week later from MS but I can't get Mondays in that fashion. Wahhhhhh! OK, I will go change my diaper now.

-Mike

# February 16, 2005 6:25 PM

Download Manager said:

I recommend a download manager. Since I use Free Download Manager (which reconnects after lsoing the connection), I get the file in an acceptable time span.
THANKS CARL, the 100th show was great!
Stefan

# February 17, 2005 7:16 AM

Gnik said:

Installing Free Download Manager gave me my first Microsoft AntiSpyware alert. Thanks for the experience Stefan!

Be warned: the installer installs a bundle of gnarly spyware apps as well as the Free Download Manager -- don't even bother with it.

Gnik

# February 17, 2005 12:23 PM

Mark Freedman said:

I used the torrent method after the MP3 died at about 50% after a couple of hours. The torrent took a couple of hours, itself. There were about 12 seeders. Of course, the days of downloading in a few minutes are far gone.

But there are still issues using torrents, of course -- people need to stay online even after they are done downloading, to seed it for the rest of us (all 12 were in that category -- thanks, guys/gals!) Another common issue is that torrents "die" after a while -- when most people already have it, virtually no one will be seeding, so full downloading will be the only way to go for older shows. Which means possible dead downloads, because of the high traffic for the new show (for people who won't try torrents).

Not sure what the solution is, unless a "network" of people agree to seed older shows on an ongoing basis.

# February 17, 2005 2:37 PM

Frank said:

Oh yeah... that's the stuff....

# February 17, 2005 2:41 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Great, so we can get back to sharing your massive porn collection.

Does this mean bittorrenting days are over? Or that will still continue?

I thought about what u had mentioned in your post regards thoughts on bittorrent - maybe it does make sense to create a legit p2p downloader that is not abused for mp3s and movies? Something tied up with DRM maybe.

# February 17, 2005 2:51 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We're still going to use only BitTorrent for podcasting. There are some other protocols that do the same thing, but BT is tried and true. I also have a lot of faith in nimiq as a client. Since it's written in C#, and the guy doing it is willing to share the code load I think it may morph into a really great client tool. If you don't know about it, check out http://www.nimiq.nl

It combines an RSS podcasting client with a bittorrent client. All .NET

# February 17, 2005 3:15 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Mark,

Hopefully that won't be the case. I'm seeding all of the MP3 downloads at this point, and I've begun seeding the other formats via their RSS feeds. So atleast for the full mp3 shows their should be atleast 2 available seeds at any given time. Out of curiosity if you don't mind, try downloading http://abaum.com/files/torrents/DotNetRocks_0100.mp3 and post your max download speed.

# February 17, 2005 4:02 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Wow that is quite kickass !!

# February 17, 2005 4:02 PM

Carl Franklin said:

If you didn't see the latest announcement, the bandwidth crunch is over. :-)

# February 17, 2005 4:04 PM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Does Mark Miller from the Mondays crew have a blog?

# February 17, 2005 4:21 PM

Andrew Baum said:

"and the guy doing it is willing to share the code load I think it may morph into a really great client tool."

I can see it now, PwopCast!

# February 17, 2005 4:41 PM

Ian said:

Carl, do they have an sdk, i am looking to build a podcast client for Media Center

great 100th show by the way

# February 17, 2005 4:45 PM

Ian said:

Carl, do they have an sdk, i am looking to build a podcast client for Media Center

great 100th show by the way

# February 17, 2005 4:46 PM

Andrew Baum said:

Ian,

Windows Media Center is built ontop of Windows XP. What this means is that any of the podcast clients for XP already out can run on Media Center, so there is no need to create one, unless you really, really want too.

# February 17, 2005 4:51 PM

denny said:

Yowsa!!
Bandwith is ^^^UP^^^ Yea!!!

looks like I am getting 4-5 Megabits Per Sec on a test and that is the full speed of my end of the pipe ( 5 Meg download on Tampa Bay BrightHouse cable)

Good News!

Now about that Adult Video you have for us ??
:-)

# February 17, 2005 5:00 PM

rizzo said:

They'll have to do something dramatic to tear me away from Firefox. Part of the reason that Firefox will remain entrenched among techies is because it has so many extentions and those plugins are relatively easy to write. While writing an add-on to IE is way too difficult.

# February 17, 2005 8:26 PM

Mark Freedman said:

Hi, Andrew. I tried the download. It was cut short for some reason at 9%, and I immediately tried again. It actually did a resume (nice), and continued after the first 9%. It finished successfully at a good clip -- 5 minutes (about 330 kb/sec).

# February 17, 2005 10:17 PM

Mark Freedman said:

Well, will IE7 have tabbed browsers? Or will they still count on third party tabbed browsers like Maxthon and Slim Browser which use the IE engine, to compete with Firefox?

I'd like to see a "new features" list.

# February 17, 2005 10:20 PM

TrackBack said:

# February 17, 2005 11:54 PM

Randy Glenn said:

Love the live show, Carl - please keep doing 'em!

# February 18, 2005 3:28 AM

Ian said:

Andrew, for the Media Center client I am going to concentrate on the listening end,so I can use any XP client to actual download the podcasts but still it would be nice to wrap the whole thing in a MCE client

# February 18, 2005 3:29 AM

Mike said:

Thanks Carl! Monday's is downloading now about 15 times faster than previous weeks. Also: DNR-100th was a great show and I'm thrilled to hear that Richard is the new co-host. Rory will be missed, of course, but Richard will be an awesome talent addition to the show.

# February 18, 2005 10:47 AM

Andrew Baum said:

Seeing some good traffic flowing on BT now, been averaging 500K+ outbound this morning.

# February 18, 2005 2:17 PM

andrew said:

hey u guys i have been playing guitar all my life and am a great fan of les pauls. with this new guitar u can expand the limits of ur creativity i understand y the les paul should be kep sacred it is the most beautiful guitars i own i wouldnt change them for anything else but u have to see the posibilities this guitar provides musicians with. it alows u to independantly record ewach of the strings ultimately causing better sound quality making the les paul sound even mor beautiful than it already does

# February 20, 2005 7:28 AM

Tim Curtin said:

Hi Carl,
Good presentation on Sunday in Waltham. Very entertaining. It's good to see a sense of humor with such dry content.

Hey, I was thinking of attending your CTDotNet sig tomorrow night. What will your content be?

Tim

# February 21, 2005 11:25 AM

Tim Curtin said:

Hi again,
The code camp filled up so quick that folks can't even get wait-listed from the link.
Is there a way to still get in???? wink-wink...

Tim

# February 21, 2005 11:27 AM

Tim Curtin said:

Doh,
I realized that this page dosen't request visitor email.

tjc_tek@hotmail.com

Thanks for the patience.

Tim

# February 21, 2005 11:29 AM

robert chapman said:

dice

# February 21, 2005 10:34 PM

denny said:

Hi, the old web site had a list of dates for when a show was going to be recorded and then for the publication.

the new site just has "dates" ....

I know you are making chnages etc... but it would be nice to know when it's live and then when its for download.

thanks!!

PS: I WANT!!! to be able to join the live chat on the recording session of the NASA guys, World Wind is amazing!!!

# February 22, 2005 3:33 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Now that would be ultimate kickass !!

# February 23, 2005 11:34 PM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Sounds great Carl! But I have a challenge for you, Richard, Bill, and Rocky.

Try to have a DNR show without mentioning any of the following terms:

Objects
CSLA 2.0
Whidbey
Business Rules

Do you think this could be done? :)

# February 24, 2005 11:07 AM

Peter Stathakos said:

Too busy with the show perhaps?

I added an entry related to you. Unfortunately, it's just above Cleveland Steamer (bad visual, I know).

Don't blame me man, blame those Roman/Greek dudes who invented alphabetical order.

# February 24, 2005 12:47 PM

Chris said:

Can we please listen to show anyway? It's already recorded and it can't be that bad so what's the harm?

# March 1, 2005 3:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It takes 12 hours or so to edit Mondays.

# March 1, 2005 3:39 PM

Chris said:

What about an 'unedited' copy? Is that even possible?

# March 1, 2005 9:38 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sorry man

# March 1, 2005 9:49 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Hey dude, the unedited show might hurt your ears.

# March 2, 2005 10:48 AM

Ian Dixon said:

I am looking forward to the new Mondays, what ever you do i will listen
I don't think there is any problems with the cast, the chemistry between you all is very good. Make sure you keep Mark Miller!
Also maybe expand Richard's Toyboy section

Ian

# March 2, 2005 11:21 AM

Ian Dixon said:

Sound cool. I am glad your keeping Monday going I need my weekly fix!

Ian

# March 2, 2005 12:12 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

They're also these feeds for Nick's blog:
RSS 2.0: http://www.infusionblogs.com/blogs/activenick/rss.aspx
ATOM: http://www.infusionblogs.com/blogs/activenick/atom.aspx

# March 2, 2005 1:22 PM

ActiveNick said:

True, thanks for posting those Hermann.

Some people were having problems subscribing to the RSS feeds since i was hiding the real URL behind a URL mask in my activenick.net domain.

The new domain redirector is up, and the official link is now http://activenick.infusionblogs.com.

Thanks for reading!

# March 2, 2005 1:41 PM

Bill Vaughn said:

So I can't come... ;(

# March 2, 2005 5:16 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Have you tried Viagra?

# March 2, 2005 5:45 PM

ActiveNick said:

ROFL

# March 2, 2005 10:35 PM

Mike said:

Great show and thanks Geoff for all your great questions.

Carl: this might sound like a weird question but is the music track for the Telerik ad in this show available? I love that tune, beat and guitar playing. Can I download this Franklin Bros. tune somewhere?

Thanks again for the show. Chris Maxwell sure has a bright future ahead of him.

-Mike

# March 3, 2005 12:44 AM

Ian Dixon said:

:)

# March 3, 2005 5:04 AM

Gus Emery (NFE on IRC) said:

Just a question Geoff.. What happened to some of the audio on this episode.. I hear a ton of reverb??

I'm not too sure on when this starts; however you will hear it around 62m...

# March 3, 2005 5:03 PM

Steve Majewski said:

I guess it's good you'll be recording Monday live. If you guys were dead, it would rather quiet. :)

# March 3, 2005 8:31 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 4, 2005 11:25 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 4, 2005 11:26 PM

Mike said:

Anything you (and Goeff, I presume) create I will listen to. You guys are the best.

# March 4, 2005 11:45 PM

Ian said:

Great news, I will download anything you do.
Maybe I can stop listening to other poor non Franklin podcasts in the car now (no more daily source code Mr Curry!)

Ian

# March 5, 2005 3:43 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Thank God! I am going to run out with .NET Rocks! episodes to listen to and I was already wondering what I would listen to then in my commute. I think you just saved my life! Thank you Carl.

"Maybe I can stop listening to other poor non Franklin podcasts in the car now (no more daily source code Mr Curry!)"

Hahaha, I totally agree. I was thinking about that too. I think DSC is great, but it's just not the same as a Franklins production.

# March 5, 2005 5:39 AM

Bob said:

Great idea!

I think you're gonna hit new podcasting heights with this one.

# March 5, 2005 6:30 AM

Adam Machanic said:

Uhh...

How about some nice relaxing music? That's about all I want to hear on my commute -- I can get plenty of news at work :)

# March 5, 2005 11:16 AM

Lurker said:

So... listen to the radio...

# March 5, 2005 11:23 AM

Dave Burke said:

I am DOWN for The Daily Commute! Looking forward to your first show.

# March 5, 2005 2:01 PM

denny said:

Great! but for me it's "Into my Pocket PC"
who needs an IPOD!

# March 5, 2005 2:31 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Oh sweet !!!

Ju gotta fine a way to cellular network dat show mang !!

# March 6, 2005 12:10 AM

Carl Franklin said:

There are podcasting clients for smartphones, you know...

# March 6, 2005 12:19 AM

Kyle said:

Perfect. This show could even be called "home run".

# March 6, 2005 8:05 AM

Sahil Malik said:

I finally figured it out. I finally figured out why you wanna do this show and get out of teaching, and more into podcasting.

Here's why -
Cuz u can do it naked without getting sued !!

I knew I'd figure it out !!

# March 7, 2005 10:36 AM

ActiveNick said:

Carl...? Naked...? TMI

Seriously Carl, you are f***ing nuts, but I expected no less of you. You rock man! Can't wait to listen to this too. And I agree with Denny: down with iPods, go Pocket PCs, Smartphones & real MP3 players!

And if you get swamped with this, make sure you let your buddy ActiveNick know if he can lend a hand from time to time.

# March 7, 2005 10:48 AM

Frank said:

Carl, sounds great! Looking forward to hearing it. Since you will be teaching less, ie, bring in less revenue, do you forsee this becoming a subscription service?

Also, since none of us only commute one way, in the future is this pans out, something to listen to on the way back home would be nice - especially something geared towards helping a developer unwind after a stressful day.

Good luck Carl,
I'll be listening.

# March 7, 2005 12:31 PM

Sahil Malik said:

LOL Frank, on the way back home? HEH !! :)

Carl actually - what I had in mind wasn't a podcast for smartphones.

I figured you could install the MS Speech Server, and offer a subscription base service, where for a low monthly fee, someone could "call in", and listen to your show - hey I might forget to download it in the morning .. right?

Not to mention, in that case, your show will work on a dumbphone too. :)

Speech server == $8000 per site, but maybe MS will give you a discount?

- SM

# March 7, 2005 1:05 PM

Paul S said:

Yea baby!! I want my, I want my, I want my Franklin TV!! Bring on the video!! Let me know if I can lend a hand.

# March 7, 2005 2:36 PM

Brian Kuhn said:

Great news! Looking forward to listening. Now we no longer have to a week without a taste of DNR and DNR related auio.

# March 7, 2005 4:50 PM

Ian said:

I listen to all my podcasts on my pocket pc

Carl, I drive for about 2 hours a day, so with .net rocks, Mondays and your new show I should be sorted!

# March 8, 2005 5:24 AM

Robert said:

That's a great idea. I've been thinking about an idea like this myself. I'd love to be your stand-in host when you need to take a break.

Another good idea you might want to explore is something akin to the MacCast ( http://maccast.blogspot.com/ ) but for windows. I've never been a mac user, but find the show interesting and fascinating.

# March 9, 2005 2:36 PM

John Bonano said:

Yes Carl,

I would love to be a tester. Let me know what I need to do and what other requirements you might have.

Thanks,
John Bonano
jbonano@skynetsoftware.com

# March 9, 2005 4:19 PM

John Bonano said:

Sorry Carl, sent the email after I read this!

# March 9, 2005 4:23 PM

Guy Provost said:

Sure pal! Just say when and how!

Guy Provost
gprovost40@hotmail.com

# March 10, 2005 4:40 AM

lynn eriksen said:

The Windows 98 revolt is next. After that the Netcape 4.x revolt.

:)

# March 10, 2005 6:46 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 10, 2005 7:11 PM

Scott said:

I've said for years that the MVP's are revolting. They stink on ice. ;)

# March 10, 2005 7:24 PM

Bob Reselman said:

Carl:

You have touched upon an issue, the ramifications of which are significant. I admire your courage to take a stand and the levity that you bring to a heated situation.

I very much disagree with your position.

Bob

# March 10, 2005 8:27 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 10, 2005 8:45 PM

Greg Low said:

Hey Carl,

I don't want new enhancements, etc. to VB6. I'd just like to be able to work on it in the new IDE as I can't see myself being in a position to ONLY use VB.NET for quite some time.

And the reason I want that is so I'll still have "supported" tools to work on it with. Anyone with an extensive code base needs to do maintenance on it. No-one's going to fund a rewrite which is the alternative.

It's the same with SQL Server. SQL Server 7 doesn't work on Win2k3 server. People say "why would you want to use SQL Server 7 anymore?". Well, because I've got heaps of customers still using it and I have to support them. I can't generate a SQL Server 7 database with SQL Server 2000. At least I can use a VPC to get around that one but I sure don't want to do VB6 maintenance work only inside a VPC.

The Microsoft Word 2003 folk understand they still need to be able to exchange documents with older versions, etc.

Regards,

Greg

# March 10, 2005 9:38 PM

Fred said:

How 'bout this... We'll both start a database driven Desktop app at the same time. You use B# and I'll use VB. Absolutely no prewritten libs allowed. Who'll finish first?
How 'bout this... when we're both finished, we can see how long it takes for B# to populate 250 controls on the form with info from that database. Guess which platform will get that form filled faster... Now, let's deploy the app to a website and allow people to download and run it on a brand new OS. Which download will finish faster?
B#'s a real step forward eh? Gimme a break.

# March 10, 2005 9:45 PM

Beth said:

LOL!

# March 10, 2005 10:52 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> B#'s a real step forward eh? Gimme a break

What would you like me to break first? Your arm, perhaps? ;-)

# March 11, 2005 2:08 AM

Carl Franklin said:

People are acting as though on March 31st all of their VB6 apps will magically stop working. Losing support from MS? Who cares! Did you ever use Microsoft for VB6 support? Just hit google when you need help.

So you've got some apps written in VB6 and they work. Great! Let them do their job. Need to build a new system? Stop whining and learn the tools of the day.

Want to keep using VB6? Great! Keep using it. Need more IDE features? Why not start an open source IDE project for VB6? Don't look to Microsoft for innovation to products that they can't sell.

# March 11, 2005 2:13 AM

Ian Dixon said:

Move on guys, .net is great. I can think of any reason why I would want to load up VB6 when I have VB.NET
Maybe MS should get Quickbasic.net out ;)

# March 11, 2005 4:31 AM

cometbill said:

By Edward G. Nilges book by Apress, and you CAN have quickbasic.NET.

I kid you not.

# March 11, 2005 6:40 AM

cometbill said:

buy it even.

# March 11, 2005 6:40 AM

blameMike said:

Carl,

I totally agree with your position as far as the future of VB is concerned. I thought most developers were aware that being a good developer meant constantly learning new things, and improving ones' skill set.

Fred,

>We'll both start a database driven Desktop app at the same time. You use B# and I'll use VB. Absolutely no prewritten libs allowed. Who'll finish first?

So let me get this straight... you're going to write a DB app in VB6 without ADO, or DAO? I hate to break this to you, but those are prewritten libraries.

# March 11, 2005 7:35 AM

If I told you they'd hunt me down and revoke my .n said:

F**k all that cr*p. Real men write binary!!! Now here I go 1011011100111011110000100001001111110110010101010010101010010111010011
Arggh crap it's all wrong. That's another 30 years of debugging!! Where did I leave my punch card?

Is this the result of a certain Mr.Grimes(http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/), the VB Grinch? Has he awaken the VB beast? Has he stole VB Christmas!!!?!!

=================
VB6 Forever!!!!!
=================
'You can kill the revolutionary but you can't kill the revolution.'

# March 11, 2005 10:15 AM

TrackBack said:

# March 11, 2005 11:29 AM

vbNullString said:

LOL. I can't believe some MVPs signed the petition, man. Have they programmed in VB .NET at all or any other .NET languages? If you have, you can't go back anymore, seriously.

# March 11, 2005 12:43 PM

Aaron Weiker said:

I thought the reason for the MVP was to help the community. How is keeping VB6 around helping the community for the next 6 months? How about the next year? Now the next 5 years?

Let's assume for a minute that the support for VB6 will stay for the next year. Is it good for the community to keep using yesterdays technology? Or is it not better for the community to educate them about .NET and what .NET can do for them?

So let's look at the facts, VB6 is going away at least in the next 2 years. Now if you don't want to be a prammer in 5 years this is fine. But if you do want your shefl life extended for more than 5 years think about how you can accomplish that.

# March 11, 2005 3:14 PM

Christopher Pietschmann, MCSD, MCAD said:

I happen to have MCSD with Visual Studio 6. More particularly I took the VB6 exams. After moving to .NET and getting my MCAD, I would prefer to never look back at VB6. It's a terrible language compared to VB.NET.

I understand there are huge code bases written entirely in VB6 code and can't really be ported to VB.NET without a rewrite. Just because MS doesn't fully support VB6 doesn't mean you can't support your applications.

Why don't we use Vaccum tube in Computers today? It's easy, because IC's are way better. It's called advancement people, you have to move with the times.

# March 11, 2005 4:02 PM

Bruce McLeod said:

I'm no VB guy, but my take on this is that most corporations have policies that require them to use technologies that are currently supported by their vendors. As Carl mentions, VB6 entering extended support does not change the current situation for most organisations. The critical date for most of them will be March 2008. So do companies need to redevelop applications from scratch just to be on a technology that is supported? In making that decision, I think that a company should simply ask itself the following question. How many support calls have we made to Microsoft for VB6? If that number is zero, then I would only port the applications if there was a genuine business need. Microsoft are not about to descend on businesses like cops on a drug dealer, and confiscate all the machines that have the VB6 dev tools installed on them.

Regards,

Bruce

# March 11, 2005 4:43 PM

Frank said:

Carl,

...get over it...

I couldn't agree more.

...use google...

It's like you're reading my mind dude!

Not to rub salt on an open wound, but it's ironic that it looks like Visual FoxPro (Visual Basics' bastard step brother) will outlast Visual Basic as far as support and new releases (none of which will be a .NET version)

Microsoft has been pushing the big .NET pill on VFP developers for years - it's about time that our VB6 siblings take dose.

All I can say is take the pill, it will make you feel good -- I promise.

-a reformed Visual FoxPro programmer, now a VB.NET junkie

# March 11, 2005 7:04 PM

anon said:

If it's just the news, forget it.
Give some commentary.
Like instead of just
microsoft buys groove...
add, 'what the f's up with that?'
or some of your insight into their reasoning.

# March 12, 2005 7:48 AM

Chris said:

Great idea, Carl. Can't wait to hear it!

# March 12, 2005 8:30 AM

Ralph Loizzo said:

They're a regular comedy duo!

# March 12, 2005 9:06 AM

David Totzke said:

From my blog entry on the matter:

"I've written a tonne of VB6 code and it's all still running just fine thank you very much. In fact, some DCOM stuff I did a while back even survived an upgrade of the OS from NT4 to Win2K and the database from SQL 6.5 to SQL 2000. In fact, it's actally running about 4 or 5 times faster on the same class of hardware. There's no need to port that code. IJW."

And it will continue to work. And just to be clear, that code didn't need any changes either. If you designed and implemented it right the first time, it will just keep working.

Some anonymous coward wrote:
"You can kill the revolutionary but you can't kill the revolution."

Ya, well, you can't kill cockroaches either but that doesn't mean they're particularly useful or relevant to the future.

BTW, I'm a Visual Developer.NET MVP. I am NOT revolting and I resent the fact that this issue is being portrayed by some (Scoble) as though all MVPs are up in arms over this. I'm pretty sure that the X-Box MVPs couldn't care less.

# March 12, 2005 12:17 PM

Carl Franklin said:

David, this is perhaps THE quote for this issue. To paraphrase:

"You can't kill cockroaches, but that doesn't mean they're particularly useful or relevant to the future."

Well said, man.

# March 12, 2005 12:49 PM

SBC said:

LOL.. that video cracked me up..

# March 12, 2005 1:04 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Y'know, Rory has been producing some good shit since he moved on from DNR. I finally find his blog and his ideas funny again.

Good workin' rory snory !!

# March 12, 2005 5:07 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I agree. He's back!!

# March 12, 2005 5:43 PM

SBC said:

gives a new meaning to the word 'streaming'..
:-)

# March 12, 2005 7:15 PM

Mark Hurd said:

Bruce McLeod has emphasised the point that caused me to sign the petition. We have shareholders and or main application is VB6-based, running on Win98 computers in schools throughout Australia -- .NET is not an option for a few years yet.

If there is a bug/feature that we cannot fix, it is our directors who can be charged with negligence... So when Microsoft ends each type of support we have to strongly consider dropping a perfectly working product. "It's a trust thing."

Having read the Microsoft responses explaining that the VB6 runtime will be supported for XP timeframes and possibly longer is good, but if some XP service pack breaks the VB6 IDE we'll need to reinstall Win2k to maintain VB6 code, because the problem won't necessarily be fixed...

BTW I prefer VB.NET as a (compiled) .NET language, it just doesn't suit our customer base yet.

# March 13, 2005 12:29 AM

Frank said:

The more I read about this, the less sympathetic I feel. As a former VFP programmer, all I've heard for the past fours years is to learn .NET or become a IT manager. Since I'd rather put a bullet in my head than become a manager I choose to learn VB.NET.

The whole rational that millions of programmers will be 'stranded' because of the so called learning curve of VB.NET is just not true - they will become stranded because they choose not to progress their careers.

I've also heard the whole argument that porting a VB6 application to VB.NET is difficult - Having never doen it myself, can someone comment on it? From what I can gather, the major obstacle in porting is that the conversion tools require that some level of dicipline was used in creating the VB6 application. Since VB6 is a hobbyist language, I see that this could be a problem, and going back to my first statement, a reason why poeple are finding VB.NET harder to learn. Another thought is that the gazillions of third-party tools and componets for VB6 may not work under a .NET environment - is that true?

The bottom line is that our trade is evolving and will continue to evolve - 10 years from today there will be another revolt from the .NET MVP's when Microsoft introduces the next wave of developer tools. Juat as 10 year ago there was a revolt from 'DOS Programmers' that did not want to learn OOP. If you don't want to grow than great, it's your choice - but don't complain about it. Microsoft has given all of us more than enough warning to prepare and has poured millions into helping those who wish to help themselves.

Let me ask you this - What's going to happen when Blackcomb, the next verion of Windows after Longhorn? It's been speculated that COM will not be allowed to run on those machines.

# March 14, 2005 12:10 PM

TrackBack said:

Sorry. Geoff holds the title by a nose.

# March 14, 2005 1:55 PM

Ian Dixon said:

Great show, Richard keep the geek storys comming!

# March 15, 2005 4:05 AM

William Doorway III said:

Hey,

if you want Microsoft to listen, tell them your all swithing to Java!!

# March 16, 2005 6:33 AM

Paul S said:

Any update on the new podcast?

# March 16, 2005 8:32 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Getting a website set up now. It will be online before Sunday at http://www.thedailycommute.com

# March 16, 2005 8:34 AM

Frank said:

I think that VB6 folks would have just as hard time learning Java. If you listen to the current episode of DNR, Carl mentions something that sum up what I said ealier - lack of discipline - "You didn't write business objects when everyone told you to?"

# March 16, 2005 11:49 AM

TrackBack said:

# March 16, 2005 1:58 PM

RoryBecker said:

Cheers Carl,
Nice to get the notice this early. :)

# March 18, 2005 9:56 AM

Paul S said:

I thought .NET Rocks was recorded on Fridays?

# March 18, 2005 2:56 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We shoot for Fridays but sometimes schedules demand otherwise. We're going to publish a live schedule in RSS.

# March 18, 2005 3:16 PM

RoryBecker said:

Damn i read this at about 11:00 GMT on the 18th (missed the date of the post) and assumed it meant the 18th.
Damn Damn Damn

Oh well Never mind. I'll try to catch the show next week. hopefully I'll break my streak of 2 missed live shows in a row.

:)

# March 18, 2005 6:14 PM

Edward G. Nilges said:

Hi, this is Ed Nilges, author of Build Your Own .Net Language and Compiler, which presents the source code for a compiler and interpreter for a significant part of QuickBasic (Apress 2004).

My two cents on the VB-6 revolt: grow up.

Microsoft has, uh, already, uh, done, uh, what the VB-6 revolutionaries are demanding and produced: Visual Basic .Net.

(Ta da).

It even caved in March 2001 to massive demonstrations in Bellevue and Redmond :-) and now compiles And and Or the wrong way, while providing those of us with a few brain cells AndAlso and OrElse, with the result that every time I have to code AndAlso, I have a flashmack to my days an altar boy, when I had to reply "and also to you" to Father O'Shaughnessy, in Latin.

Incompatible? Good. Look, Visual Basic 6 doesn't even communicate properly the very idea that a Form is something with weight that exists in the Real World, and instead mystifies the Form, making it a shadowy and ultimately uncomprehended Platonism, if you will pardon my French (un objet de Platon d'ombre tenebreuse chic alors, and death of me life).

Which in practice results in Silly Rules in the real world of VB-6, such as "any creation by a programer of an object without authorization is a termination offense".

I am NOT making this up. Visual Basic so hides the fact that a Snark is a Boojum and a Form is just code, a species in fact of a Control, that vast "enterprise systems" are written in VB-6 with code repeated in many different places.

In fine, don't use my book to reinvent Visual Basic 6. It's MUCH more difficult to do so than to convert all your applications to VB.Net.

These retro revolutions remind me of fabricated political events where people are manipulated to call alternatively for a return to chaos or to chains.

I am not saying "follow without question the correct thinking of Chairman Bill". I am not saying (to continue in the retro political register) "death to running dog counter-revolutionary ghost-monster agents of the international capitalist conspiracy to return to VB-3".

I am saying, MUST CHILL.

Visual Basic 6 is (rather painfully) Turing complete. But so is VB.Net. Which means that all programs that can be written in VB-6 can be written in, or converted to, VB.Net.

In the words of my supervisor at Encyclopedia Britannica a number of years ago, "don't do me any favors, do your job".

Visual Basic programmers of the world unite, but not for a return to the past.

# March 20, 2005 12:10 AM

Bob Connor said:

Nice Carl,

Those nukeation guys are good. Another great looking site.

# March 20, 2005 10:30 AM

Mike said:

You are getting there. Thanks and good luck on this new project. Count me in as a daily listener.

# March 20, 2005 11:18 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Sweet, can't wait to listen to it. Also perfect timing since i am almost through listening to all episodes of .NET Rocks!.
I am interested in how you've implemented your podcasting service.

# March 20, 2005 11:54 AM

Ian Dixon said:

Can't wait, do you spend 24 hours a day working Carl?

# March 21, 2005 4:28 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Nah - only 17.5 :-)

# March 21, 2005 4:54 AM

Paul S said:

SWEET!! I can't wait.

# March 21, 2005 6:38 AM

Paul S said:

Man Carl, you are going all out with this. Good luck to you on your new ventures. Any plans to continue the training by hiring some trainers?

# March 21, 2005 8:49 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Training is still going strong. I'll deal with that issue when I have to. :-)

# March 21, 2005 8:50 AM

Chris said:

Sounds great, Carl. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to this. Kudos for taking it on.

# March 21, 2005 9:12 AM

Vince Mayfield said:

My first thing to say to the VB Revolters is "Get over it and move on" Let's not sit back and pine for the good ole days of stone knives and bearskins.

MS is going to provide support for VB6 out to 2008. I think this is more than reasonable. Additionally MS listened when the VB community wanted numerous changes to VB.NET Back in 2001. Personally I think they cowtowed to them too much.

One thing I think MS has misjudged is that in the real world people don't just go out and re-write applications just because the technology is cool and easier for programmers. Like VB many folks have put a hugh investment in COM. We have a customer that has a large object model in COM that talks through ADO (PRE .NET) to Oracle. They have alot of VB and VC++ with MFC front ends. We have had significant problems changing the UIs to .NET and talking to COM with ADO. (The COM Objects abstract the Database operations and business rules). There is great support for COM but many areas are lacking. Especially with ADO. In some cases we have had to put and not go through the object model to do updates. This means that we have to implement the business rules outside in .NET rather than our COM Object model. When we have called the premium tech support at MS they have literally told us that we should re-write the COM Model in .NET. They did not seem to understand that this was a commercial product and re-doing everything in .NET is Not realisitc. Companies just do not throw away hundreds of thousands of lines of code because MS came out with the latest and greatest. Same thing is true of Servers. We still have enterpise customers on NT 4.0 and 98.

Don't get me wrong. I Love MS and the support they give developers. When I think of programming with X-Windows & Motif and that twenty book library, as compared to MSDN with the tools & information I have at my disposal today, I thank god for Bill Gates and all the hard working folks at MS.

I'm a C++ guy so the C# was a natural transition. .NET is so much easier, but it does have some ramp up in learning the Framework. ASP.NET is light years better than regular ASP. I cringe everytime I have to open up the spagetti code in ASP. VB has never impressed me but I know it is just another tool in my toolbox and i do use it. Including VB6. When the support dies off, I will do well and people will pay us for our expertise to migrate to .NET or whatever is the latest and greatest.

Technology Changes. If you got a problem with that you might want to look at another career.

# March 21, 2005 5:33 PM

joe hall said:

i am ginger

# March 22, 2005 7:36 AM

TrackBack said:

# March 22, 2005 12:50 PM

Erick Sgarbi said:

Great...great...great stuff... well done Carl always working for the little man heh ;-)

# March 24, 2005 3:49 AM

Buddy Lindsey said:

it sounds good I will definatly check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

# March 24, 2005 4:12 PM

Carolus Holman said:

I have been using Sharepoint for Years. I have many public websites that use Sharepoint. I found it hard to believe you guys were just talking about it in 2005. Doh! I have been arguing that this technology is so powerful it's hard to ignore. You guys didn't even touch on the integrated features with InfoPath. I could go on for hours...

# March 26, 2005 8:09 PM

Randy Glenn said:

You mention the live DNR... but what about Mondays? You guys did tape that, right?

Yes, I'm that addicted to it.

# March 28, 2005 4:30 PM

David Higgins said:

Don Box "OO is not dead - its just done".

# March 29, 2005 4:55 AM

Jorriss said:

Boma is the best. We make it a point to eat there every time we're at Disney, which is two to three times a year. Also recommended: California Grill at the Contemporary and Maya Grill at Coronado Springs.

# March 29, 2005 12:10 PM

denny said:

Rocky and Bill and the start was just great!
Missle Test and the Jet db etc....

and good stuff on the Objects / Services / Deja vu ! How true!

nothing is really new in COmp Sci anymore.
like Led Zepplin: The Faces may change but the song remains the same.

and your bit on nuro-transmitters! :-)
funny !

good stuff, Dang if you had this every day on TV I'd sit and watch a 30 minute show with this kind of great thinking and comedy together! Hint, Hint! :-)

# March 30, 2005 10:16 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Yeah thats funny !

# March 30, 2005 9:54 PM

Eugene said:

Broken link :)

# March 31, 2005 12:07 AM

sc00ter said:

Thats hilarious!! hahaha.. ROTFLOL. Almost reminds me of Indianna Jones movie.

# March 31, 2005 12:19 AM

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

Coool, that will surely be a great show - can't wait. BTW what happened to this week's Monday's show?

# March 31, 2005 2:04 AM

TomB said:

Hey Carl.

I have the same phone. Did you upgrade the OS? I'm in Canada so I'm afraid my provider won't support it, but I know there's an upgrade available on Verizon's website - to bring it up to 2003.

A tip-- do not let any woman wearing makeup (or men wearing makeup http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/8352.aspx) use it, you get crap all over the screen.

# March 31, 2005 10:05 AM

Brian Swanson said:

I have the HP iPAQ 6315 and it does pause the music when a phone call comes in. Wonder if this is a new feature for PocketPC 2003?

# March 31, 2005 10:24 AM

Chris Szurgot said:

Certainly can't argue with you there. I've got an Ericcson, so I can do most things hands free, but I wish the phone company would make the Voice Mail voice recognition... <grin>
http://weblogs.asp.net/cszurgot/archive/2005/03/28/396088.aspx

# March 31, 2005 10:32 AM

Paulo Correia said:

Qtek is a less known company that as also that kind of phone, but only for GSM networks.

Check out their QTek 9090 model, or the smaller one, the new S100. My boss have one and that gadget rocks.

Check the QTek 9090 here http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/2910.html

# March 31, 2005 10:51 AM

Kyle said:

This is VZW's next PDA phone, just announced today:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=667

Wi-fi, EV-DO, Bluetooth, etc.

# March 31, 2005 1:19 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Wow. Nice!

I think I'm getting closer to my goal:

http://www.pocketpctechs.com/detail.asp?Product_ID=PPCPADPT08

# March 31, 2005 1:26 PM

Nick Swan said:

Thought would would have gone for the Audiovox phone by now as most people who like MS do.
Anyway, as you've got a Pocket PC phone you might want to try my little app, Pocket Blogger.
http://www.download.com/Pocket-Blogger/3000-2163_4-10371356.html?tag=lst-0-2

I developed it for my Pocket PC so I could post to my .Text blog without having to use PocketIE. I don't know if anybody has tried it on a Pocket PC phone before, so if you do, let me know! It's a first version so any ideas greatfully received.

Enjoy the new toy!
Cheers
Nick

# March 31, 2005 3:34 PM

Carl Franklin said:

The AudioVox phone doesn't work with Verizon. Are we talking about the one that looks just like the Samsung?

# March 31, 2005 3:44 PM

Nick Swan said:

no I meant the one that Robert Scoble evangalises!
http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=13758&langId=-1

It's called the SPV C500 over here in the good old UK.

# March 31, 2005 4:08 PM

Richard Campbell said:

Its also GSM only - what, you think ToyBoy doesn't know these things?

For CDMA, I think Carl has the best product that can be had. This week, anyway.

# April 4, 2005 12:30 AM

StuFF said:

Do you guys in the US have UMTS ? Here we have now for example a UMTS modem that stays at home and give you internet access (300kbp/sec, not incredible but enough for a lot of people). I look forward to buy the MPX220 and the XDA 3 this week end...

# April 5, 2005 4:13 AM

Kevin Daly said:

Now you've got the device, you've got to try out Compact Framework programming (well, you don't *have* to, not if you don't want to, but I still recommend you give it a go...but then I'm just compulsive that way - I'd program my shoes if I could).
While there are still some frustration points, there are nowhere near as many as with the old embedded Visual Tools, and there should be precious few left when we get our hands on .NETCF v2 (this statement is based on the publicly discussed feature list, not wishful thinking).
But I digress - the cool thing about mobile development is that it is in some hard to pin down way reminiscent of "hobbyist" programming back in the early '80s, when it was still *fun*. Oh, and if you want a blogging tool that runs on the Compact Framework, just give me a yell. Or write your own of course. Or both. Whatever.

# April 7, 2005 4:29 AM

Dax Pandhi said:

Well, whaddayaknow! They actually did listen! There's only so much process killing you can do in one night without wiping your blade.

# April 7, 2005 3:12 PM

Joe said:

> Great feature
Or fix for Terrible Bug

# April 7, 2005 3:27 PM

Fred Beiderbecke said:

It's not working here. I still get the message about other apps.

# April 7, 2005 3:33 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Not me. I can open and close no prob while Outlook 2003 is running. IE is running too.

# April 7, 2005 3:39 PM

Davo said:

Is that a feature or a bug fix? :)

# April 7, 2005 6:00 PM

Sahil Malik said:

I can't even sign on to MSN 7.0 from work anymore. When I get that troubleshoot button, it says "No problems found" #@@!(#(!)~) ~~

# April 7, 2005 6:13 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It's very hard to use dry wit in a blog post. I should have put "feature" in quotes like that.

# April 7, 2005 6:15 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

4 hours of solid testing, the official results are: MSN Messenger 7.0 is more buggy than the MSN Messenger 7.0 BETA!

# April 7, 2005 7:27 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I gotta admit, it crashed on me within the first hour of use, in mid-chat.

# April 7, 2005 7:33 PM

StuFF said:

Is there really people using MSN Messenger instead of Trillian ? ;)

# April 8, 2005 7:26 AM

Daniel Auger said:

Trillian is great, but I hate the fact that if I have multiple MSN identities, trillian has to merge the contact lists. That's why I use gaim :)

# April 8, 2005 11:33 AM

denny said:

It sucks that too many players built IM systems that are not using a common std.

remember before smtp / pop3 / imap took over??

when you had compuserv mail that was different than bbs email that was different than <name your system here> email ??

Trillian is nice but should not be needed for what it does today....

# April 8, 2005 12:16 PM

Beevis said:

Get a sense of humor people, lighten up already.

# April 8, 2005 1:33 PM

Justin Williams said:

What kind of geek doesn't make crass jokes? Revoke their membership to the club.

# April 8, 2005 2:02 PM

Jim B said:

Carl,

It was a fun show, although Scott has so much going on that I can learn from - it becomes a trade-off of the comic bits vs getting a tidbit of technical information for me to follow up on.

I also like listening live - to get those extra comical bits that get edited out. It would be great if you could announce the time of the live stream at a regular place. Where is this posted?

JB
www.walkspoiled.com

# April 8, 2005 2:04 PM

Richard said:

I always thought it was more fun the old way. We developers want to learn, but also we like entertainment...

That said, for most of us there is no reason to apologize. It was cool to have things a little less serious. Rory's phopbia of germs and the thought of him in a public restroom... Priceless...

Many of us are the same people who loved <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/archive/default.asp?url=/archive/en-us/vbtv/default.asp" target="_blank">VBTV</a> (man I miss that show) and the shock and awe generated from that.

AAAHHH the happy times when everything was all too serious... IF people want serious, read a technical manual or a white paper... Me I love entertainment with brain stimulation mixed in (MMMMM... Brain stimulation...).

In short, I guess I should say that many of us enguy a good time where we can kick back and laugh but still get something meaningfull out of it (Does Rory still hate datasets? What about Typed Datasets? What about Richard?). So be serious when necessary, but be fun when you can. That's what loyal listeners loved.

# April 8, 2005 2:20 PM

TrackBack said:

Here is a reply to Carl on
his blog about the last .NET Rocks Show...

I always thought...

# April 8, 2005 2:23 PM

NJ John said:

Geez... I guess being completely accustomed to Rory's wit (and therefore impervious to shock by same) I found the show quite, well… typical! It was a treat indeed.

Now I feel like going back and taking a re-listen to try and figure out what may have offended the delicate and fragile ears of any humorless, self-serious dullard who felt compelled to complain.

# April 8, 2005 2:42 PM

sc00ter said:

Now.. if only the hotmail. website would not pull up the msn messenger. why does it need it anyways?

# April 8, 2005 2:52 PM

Steve Markz said:

Seems like everytime Rory is in the show, somebody complains. Makes me wonder, the DNR is better better off without him.

# April 8, 2005 3:00 PM

Daniel Auger said:

Trillian is great, but I hate the fact that if I have multiple MSN identities, trillian has to merge the contact lists. That's why I use gaim :)

# April 8, 2005 3:13 PM

Ian Smith said:

Sheesh. And there I was thinking that show was one of the better ones with the right balance - usefull stuff and humour too. No matter what sort of show you produced there'd always be someone who wasn't happy. Go with what YOU feel happy with otherwise you'll always be worrying about those who've complained. Personally I think you have something genuinely unique and in this day and age that's pretty rare. I'd hate to see the show become just another rather dull and self-serious pod-cast.

# April 8, 2005 3:24 PM

Sahil Malik said:

SICK SICK SICK !!

Damn I gotta hear this one !

# April 8, 2005 3:32 PM

Steve Majewski said:

What astonishes me is that people have the balls to complain. DNR is not a subscription based broadcast. We are LISTENERS not CUSTOMERS. The only people that have a right to complain are the sponsors.

That said, I think you've stumbled on an interesting Mondays bit where Rory phones in and is put someplace uncomfortable (no, not the back of a Volkswagon). Nothing like laughing at the discomfort of others.

# April 8, 2005 3:45 PM

Gary said:

Carl, what about this week's show? When are you starting the stream?

# April 8, 2005 4:53 PM

denny said:

someone was not happy....

ok, so like how do you please *everyone* ?
can't be done...

Ok you said it that the show is not going to be all potty jokes; fine.

but I do think that if one can't handle the heat then...

meant in a nice way :--)

# April 8, 2005 5:22 PM

Raiden said:

A runtime error always occurs whenver I wanna exit msn messenger! Is anyone of u guys facing the same problem??

# April 8, 2005 7:55 PM

Ian said:

I can't belive you would get complaints!
Mind you listeners for my show would be nice :)

Carl keep the show how you want it. Thats what we all like

Ian

# April 9, 2005 3:32 AM

Stefan said:

I am addicted to DNR and as a natoral born geek sometimes I need that kind of show.

You all do a great job. Keep on!
Stefan

# April 9, 2005 5:09 AM

Beorge UU Gush said:

To be honest if we really wanted to learn something we would read a book. Dot Net Rocks! is the excuse of having a laugh while to the outside world we are seriously talking about development. It's sad people don't want the humour. Not that DNR! isn't very very informative but some guy rambling on for 45 minutes about COM interop with no humour or personality is boring, I would hate DNR! to go that way. Isn't that what IT Conversations is for?

Yeah also Microsoft should bring back VBTV, I have only written < 1000 lines of VB code in my life but I still loved that showed. You don't have to be VB developer to realise that the show was genius.

It's shows like DNR! and VBTV that remind us that programming is fun!!

Keep doing what ya do Carl!

# April 9, 2005 7:49 AM

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# April 9, 2005 10:17 AM

a quite, nervous, parnoid programmer said:

I liked the show. I don't think you can do anything wrong on the show. it's always great. You could host a snuff radio show with Rory as the victim and i still wouldn't be offended.

Keep up the good work :)

# April 9, 2005 3:03 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I don't think anyone was truly offended. It's just a little embarrssing when you expect to hear all tech content and you get somthing else, perhaps in a professional environment. I understand that completely. We'll never stop being ourselves, and the show will ALWAYS be fun to listen to. At the same time we will be appropriate. Again... listen to Mondays! You'll learn a few things and have some hysterical laughs at the same time.

# April 9, 2005 3:50 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

That's cool. But where do I get "Outliook" from? Is that the new version? Does "i" stand for independent, because it's no independent from MSN Messenger? Or maybe since it's a "Smart Client" they wanted to incorporate "smart" in the name, but "Outlsook" would have sounded kinda weird, so the "i" stands for intelligent instead of smart. Well, idk.
Don't tell me it's a typo, because that will make me look like an idiot.

# April 9, 2005 4:11 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Heh. I was actually posting the message from my Pocket PC phone in class using a stylus. :-o

# April 9, 2005 5:06 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

I personally don't remember saying anything crass...I will need to listen again, but any jokes I told were, I believe, totally reasonable.

# April 9, 2005 6:30 PM

Anonymous said:

Obviously people like Scott and Rory have a sense of humor, what with the video of Scott peering over a urinal and complimenting Rory's "Unit." So if there are a few fart jokes on Dot net Rocks, who cares? Just because this is MS-Centric doesn't mean it has to be personality-less. A toilet flushes, big deal. I say, bring on the bathroom stall grafiiti and the fart jokes, and if people can't develop senses of humor, they should go the way of the dinosaurs.

# April 9, 2005 9:07 PM

Anonymous said:

Obviously people like Scott and Rory have a sense of humor, what with the video of Scott peering over a urinal and complimenting Rory's "Unit." So if there are a few fart jokes on Dot net Rocks, who cares? Just because this is MS-Centric doesn't mean it has to be personality-less. A toilet flushes, big deal. I say, bring on the bathroom stall grafiiti and the fart jokes, and if people can't develop senses of humor, they should go the way of the dinosaurs.

# April 9, 2005 9:07 PM

swkoh said:

I get the same problem when I try to exit my MSN...

# April 10, 2005 2:11 AM

Matthew Fortunka said:

If you take a step back from the fart jokes (which are always welcome!) and look at the tech content of that episode then it was actually very informative, in particular the css zen garden stuff, as a confirmed nested table dweller, that really blew my mind.
imho. DNR is, as always a great starting point.

# April 10, 2005 6:32 AM

Sean of Bastrop said:

Scott and Rory rock... Whiners (or girly men as Arnold would say) suck. All the shows have been great. Please keep it balanced (as I believe you always have) and take no pressure from the man. As Scott said, who else can offer such a service as Garbage collection and toilette humor in the same show?

# April 10, 2005 10:30 PM

Mark Polino said:

I'm not a developer, I'm a CPA, but even CPA's need to understand tech today (how else can we audit it and create Sarbox related IT work?!) So, I do a lot of SQL Server stuff and listen to DotNetRocks.

I love the show and found #107 to be a blast. I think I've been in that bathroom! As a group, accountants are about as stiff as they come, and if I found it funny, I can't believe geeks would complain!

Apparently coding destroys humor cells! I guess I'll have to keep listening to Mondays for a little humor.

# April 10, 2005 11:04 PM

Afshin said:

Hey Carl:

Tell us the truth man; is it really the listeners or MSFT who is complaining? So far, from 22 comments that are left on your blog, no one has said anything negative ... not even one person!

As always, keep up the great work and pass our thanks to your DNR and Mondays crew.

Thanks

# April 10, 2005 11:06 PM

Mike said:

Rory and Scott were a blast. Any one complaining needs to get a sense of humor.

# April 10, 2005 11:20 PM

Ewan said:

Hello! downloaded the new messenger the other day and just tonight it closed itself and crashed and now everytime u try to reinstall, or open it or anything it says "Messenger has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience".. no matter what this still stays the same, this is really really getting to my nerves:( any help would be greatly appreciated! I am running Windows XP Professional with the latest Internet Explorer and high speed internet, everything else seems to be working fine. email me to ewan_gullidge@hotmail.com, cheers!

# April 11, 2005 8:29 AM

Jose Luis Manners said:

Hello Carl,

I just found an old post from Roy Osherove's blog on which he was complaining about a DNR show you guys did with Jorge Oblitas (a Peruvian Regional Director). This prompted me to download the archive and listen to the show.

Regardless of Mr. Osherove's opinion (which I don't subscribe to), I just wanted to thank you for treating Jorge with the same respect you treat any other English speaking guest. After listening for several minutes I could sense that Jorge felt more comfortable talking to you because you didn’t make a big deal of his “broken” English. Yes, Jorge has an accent, so do I, so does Carl, so does Mr. Osherove. Anybody who thinks that doesn’t have an accent needs to think again.

Carl, I think that you set a good example by interviewing people from other cultures so we can all learn how other developers do things in other parts of the world. It’s time we start thinking GLOBALLY!!!!

Congrats again for a great show and for being an Equal Opportunity Show Host (EOSH).

Regards,

Jose Luis Manners, MCP
English: http://blogs.geekdojo.net/jmanners
Español: http://weblogs.golemproject.com/jmanners/

"Encuentra felicidad en tu trabajo o nunca serás feliz."
Cristóbal Colón

# April 11, 2005 2:54 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

1 out of 3 times MSN will crash on me during exit. That being said, it still is cooler than the previous version. :)

# April 11, 2005 3:04 PM

Alyx said:

Yea mine just keeps fereezing up... it's useless.. what do i do?

# April 11, 2005 5:32 PM

Kwest said:

I also get a runtime error on exit...

# April 11, 2005 11:38 PM

Beth said:

Is that community or cum-unity?? ;-)

# April 13, 2005 7:32 PM

Terry Thibodeau said:

Personally, I loved the show. I think Rory's wit is nearly unsurpassed and always cracks me up.

I actually learned more useful things in this show than others (not to say the others weren't also useful). The CSSzengarden stuff was a mind-blower and I snagged all kinds of good stuff from Scott's blog (TaskSwitchXP and TopDesk are amazing!!)

I think a previous poster put it perfectly: we're listeners, not customers. Don't like it? Change the channel...

# April 14, 2005 1:53 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Looks neat. Wish it were bluetooth though !!

# April 15, 2005 3:19 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Bluetooth doesn't sound good enough for me. Very limited bandwidth.

# April 15, 2005 4:36 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Hmm .. what kinda bandwidth does bluetooth offer? There are digital headphones based on bluetooth around y'know !!

# April 15, 2005 10:55 AM

Aaron B. Hockley said:

Looking forward to more shows, and I know you have to work with your schedule, but this timing sucks for those of us on the left coast. 1:30PM? Stuck at work.

# April 15, 2005 11:28 AM

Carl Franklin said:

well, you can usually blame one party involved for derivating from the norm of 6PM Eastern for DNR and 9PM Eastern for Mondays.

This week is no different. I'm not talking, however. :-)

# April 15, 2005 12:42 PM

Sc00ter said:

Its not the end of the world if you miss the live recording. There's always the released recording afterwards. If they really wanted to, they could forget about us live listeners and just record it offline. But that would be such a crime! hehe

# April 15, 2005 2:10 PM

Jim B said:

Carl - Thanks for posting the time of the show.
Stream on!

# April 15, 2005 5:59 PM

denny said:

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Like in the credit card commercials:

Priceless!

BTW:

Stones: Jumping Jack Class! it's in the GAC GAC GAC!!

was it the who that did "changes" ??
seems like a good tune for us with Microsoft and the new stuff that keeps coming out.

Chhhhanges
Learn to face the Upgrade, chnages
New code may change me but I can't go back...
or something like that eh?

# April 18, 2005 11:37 AM

NJ John said:

Wow, nice site... lots of pretty girls and guys in ties. Hey, it must look *just* like that at PWOP Corporate Headquarters! ;->

*raises glass* Here's hoping that Carl becomes the Bill Gates of Podcasting.

# April 19, 2005 2:37 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

Actually the girls (and guys) at PWOP Corporate Headquarters are even prettier. We just couldn't use them on the site as it would draw attention away from the actual content. :)

# April 19, 2005 4:44 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 20, 2005 7:01 AM

Erik Porter said:

wtf?!?! I hope to god that was recorded before I was born ('79), but I'm afraid it's close! :P

# April 20, 2005 6:10 PM

Kevin Goff said:

That is just sick. SICK!

# April 20, 2005 11:41 PM

SBC said:

Carl -
I have a friend of mine who is in the PR industry. I'll send her an email and hopefully, get you two talking.
SB

# April 21, 2005 7:51 AM

DorkyButCatchy said:

It's cool. Who's this people?

# April 21, 2005 7:55 AM

denny said:

Looks very 70's

funny seeing some of the old first gen Music Vid stuff.... almost like home movies!

Now If we could get Bill to do one!!! :-)

# April 21, 2005 8:55 AM

denny said:

BTW: anyone recall what MSFT used for the WIndows 95 spots?

it was a rock band we all know....

any one recall the tune??

Hint: one word is on your screen today "Start"

# April 21, 2005 8:57 AM

John said:

Wow!

# April 21, 2005 10:20 AM

daryllmc said:

Much props to Carl and the PWOP team. I am SUPER excited about adding this feature for MainFunction users. *raise the glass* indeed! :)

# April 21, 2005 8:56 PM

mrpeabody said:

LMFAO.. I love it when one of the girls accidentaly pokes Mr SnazzyPants in the eye...

# April 21, 2005 10:37 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 22, 2005 1:47 AM

Sahil Malik said:

In one word - Amazing.

In more words - The best I've seen in a long time.

When can we have a C# version?

# April 22, 2005 2:06 AM

Sahil Malik said:

Have a question/suggestion though.

As I change the name of a method, I hope I can use only the keyboard, to change the name wherever that method is used. (I think Mark used the mouse to do that).

Also, hopefully that'll work over multiple projects in a solution?

# April 22, 2005 2:18 AM

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

I am speechless, I should start using VB.NET just for that coolness. Amazing!!

# April 22, 2005 2:23 AM

StuFF said:

Really cool things... I have 2 Remarks. First, I tought there was allready refactoring tools in VS 2005 (or is it only in C#)... Even if they are not that cool (mainly because they have Modal Boxes), I'm asking myself if it's not "double"... The second remark is about the design. Some things are really neat, but some others (like those big red arrows) really need a designer looking at it, because they look as nice as the Windows XP Standard Candy User Interface ;) But once again, DevExpress Team, Great great great ! ;)

# April 22, 2005 4:13 AM

Stefan said:

This is incredible!

Amazing Tales of Productivity... ;-)

# April 22, 2005 6:43 AM

denny said:

So have the "refactored" the download button or is it just me??

when I press the "Download Your Copy Now" button I get a new browser window with the same page. My system is XP Pro SP2, I do not see any IE popup error message but it acts like a popup error...

I' see what view source on the page shows...

# April 22, 2005 9:09 AM

Sahil Malik said:

I believe Beta1 C# had refactoring, and Beta2 VB.NET has it too. But neither look this cool, and this appears to do much more. This makes Vstudio like a game. Especially the reorder parameters, my god, how did they manage to do that animation. It's simply unreal.

# April 22, 2005 9:38 AM

denny said:

Now it downloaded.... Server capacity limit I guess.... be better if it said that and not loop back to the page.

# April 22, 2005 9:54 AM

sureshot said:

just killer...i'm speechless

# April 22, 2005 10:01 AM

Gary said:

Is this language-independant like a typical DevExpress feature? :)

# April 22, 2005 11:54 AM

Carl Franklin said:

This is for VB.NET only

# April 22, 2005 12:45 PM

Richard Morris said:

It's language independant, and IDE independant - but only in Refactor! Pro. Other features of R!Pro include some additional refactorings (like the 'renam local' Mark just showed), and extensibility where you can actualy build custom refactorinsgs using any .NET language (Tools written in VB for C# guys - makes a nuce change :).

R!Pro is $99.

Refactor! for Visual Basic 2005 (The free version) is for Visual Basic 2005 Only.

# April 22, 2005 1:24 PM

Richard Morris said:

bah spelling is your friend

# April 22, 2005 1:27 PM

John said:

Wow! That's crazy. What a cool tool.

# April 23, 2005 1:12 PM

Aaron B. Hockley said:

Perhaps it's because you're focusing on your commercial services but it appears the link to your Podcasting Kit disppeared. I was able to find the page via Google.

Just got my two boxes of stuff yesterday to start a new podcast. Thanks!

# April 23, 2005 1:59 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Exactly right. The URL is still there

# April 23, 2005 2:23 PM

Gary Mc said:

PwopCatcher could have features that are specific to spoken audio, such as
* buttons for repeating the last 10 seconds or minute (eg when some interruption causes you to miss what was said)
* bookmarks for remembering interesting points
* automatically remembering the play position on a show when closing the player, for continuing later
* real-time compression of the dynamic range, so that you can hear everything said when played in a noisy environment, without the volume being too high.
* the ability for producers to mark points in the show eg. beginning of guest speaker, songs, segments etc. that show as a list in a window

Love the show,

Gary

# April 23, 2005 5:39 PM

abbas said:

i want to download msn multipal massanger how can i do this plz tell me as soon as possible .

waiting for reply
abbas

# April 24, 2005 5:23 AM

Bob (@area51.net) said:

Wow refactor looks great. But even something more special, Mark doesn't mention poo, or cursed at all through that. A round of applause for Refactor and another for Mark. Great vid by the way. Refactor rulez!!

# April 24, 2005 4:39 PM

SBC said:

LOL.. next time I see you, I'll get you a bowl of Wendy's Chili..
;-)

# April 25, 2005 10:15 AM

Mike said:

This is terrific! When we got Beta 2 installed we were shocked to see refactoring built into C#, but lacking in VB.NET. I am thrilled to see this tool added in. Are we going to see this tool built into Visual Studio 2005?

# April 25, 2005 1:47 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Mike,

It's part of VB 2005, yes, but because of timing didn't make it in the box. When you install VS there will be some kind of link to download it.

# April 25, 2005 1:53 PM

Kevin Daly said:

Frankly I get tired of all the delicate souls saying "I'm so glad you don't have all that silly and nasty off-colour stuff any more"
(...only I suppose I should write "off-color" so it's in an American accent).

How fragile ARE these people?

# April 25, 2005 4:18 PM

Me said:

I don't like the site, it feels empty.

# April 25, 2005 4:19 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 25, 2005 4:43 PM

Sahil Malik said:

I agree man .. I missed out this show (will listen to the download), but Kim Tripp's last show certainly goes on the "Best of DotNetRocks" CD.

Uh huh I just gave Carl another idea !!

# April 25, 2005 10:30 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 26, 2005 1:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We have noticed that some older video cards choke with this kind of stuff. In one case, the video card did software acceleration, and it wouldn't engage until ANOTHER window that uses acceleration was loaded.

# April 26, 2005 1:45 AM

Phil said:

Hey Carl,

That looks wicked! Any chance you could point me to the CodeProject articles that let you do the 32-bit alpha blended forms?

Cheers - looking great.

# April 26, 2005 2:35 AM

StuFF mc said:

This is freakin Coooool !!! Can't wait to have the beta in my hands, Carl ! ;) This is freakin coool, you're 2 freaking geniuses and I'm freaking amazed ! It almost looks as it was an Application runnig under Tiger ;) But behind you can't see the Candy XP look ;) Greaaaat job Carl and Dax !

# April 26, 2005 3:19 AM

Samboy Lims said:

Great and awesome interview! She really rocks your show and I am now one of her fans. Thanks for guesting her back, Carl!

# April 26, 2005 5:58 AM

sid vg said:

shit

# April 26, 2005 7:13 AM

up urs said:

ur all bummers gay freeks

# April 26, 2005 7:14 AM

bob said:

u r all sweaters who sit on a pc all day u sad git

# April 26, 2005 7:14 AM

Aaron Junod said:

Man what a great show. Def one of the 10 best. If you want to know more about SQL Server 2k5, you must listen to this. Thanks to the DNR crew once again!

# April 26, 2005 7:42 AM

Paul said:

When can we get our hands on this baby?

# April 26, 2005 8:13 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We'll probably have a beta within a few weeks, but I'm not making a promise. :-)

# April 26, 2005 10:14 AM

NIels Hansen said:

Awesome. I can't wait to check it out.

The drop shadows and look remind me so much of Mac OS X....

# April 26, 2005 11:01 AM

Jay Franklin said:

Rolling Stones: Start Me Up. :)

# April 26, 2005 11:22 AM

TrackBack said:

# April 26, 2005 11:33 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Holy !@#% this looks insane. I am really impressed by the lower one. Why don't you coorporate with the developers of Doppler and see if you can work out something. I mean, it's the best .NET podcast client out there and with your skin: there are no words for this.

# April 26, 2005 11:49 AM

Anonymous Coward said:

Most. Unuseable. Interface. Ever.

# April 26, 2005 12:58 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 26, 2005 1:35 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 26, 2005 1:36 PM

flipdoubt said:

Nice. Which Bittorrent bits are you leaning toward using?

# April 26, 2005 2:32 PM

Carl Franklin said:

we're using btsharp, a BT component suite written by David Smith in C#.

# April 26, 2005 3:40 PM

flipdoubt said:

I'll have to test out that library tonight. Is it to the point where you can actually download the file on the other side of the torrent?

# April 26, 2005 4:04 PM

denny said:

now it connects....

NukeNation on channel 9 is DAX!

Heck!

ok should have known...

Cool!

# April 26, 2005 4:52 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

That's "Nukeation", and yes, that's me. :)

# April 27, 2005 1:43 AM

SBC said:

wow! that guy is talented graphic artist for sure!

# April 27, 2005 5:21 AM

Søren Lund said:

Did you acutally read the article? The guy bashes VBers pretty badly making some pretty out there conclusion on what seems to be pure speculation.

# April 27, 2005 7:57 AM

TrackBack said:

# April 27, 2005 8:54 AM

Carl Franklin said:

You're thinking of another article. This article is a comparrison of features of the languages.

# April 27, 2005 9:26 AM

StuFF said:

Just wanted to let you know guys that it also works on the BETA 1 ! ;) We ordered the BETA 2 but in the mean time I wanted to give it a try, and it actually works ! By the way, anybody know how to configure the shortcut so that I can use something else than ~, because on a German keyboard it's not at all easy...

# April 27, 2005 11:35 AM

denny said:

My Bad Dax!

Nuke ation

my eyes want it to be Nuke Nation for some reason!

so is this a play on "animation" ??

Well cool stuf Dax and Carl!!

# April 27, 2005 2:42 PM

GuyIncognito said:

I love Mondays! It has absolutely no technical merit, but it's hilarious as hell.

# April 28, 2005 12:00 AM

Dax Pandhi said:

Nah. More like blowing stuff up with Nukes. I was on a Duke Nukem kick when I formed the company. :P

# April 28, 2005 9:24 AM

denny said:

Groovy,

Duke Nukem 3D -- the one liners in that game were a lof of fun.

Come Get Some... and others.

# April 28, 2005 10:25 AM

Mike said:

Great job Kim! Richard: you have some great SQL Server knowledge you been hiding away from us :) Great comments and clarifications

# April 28, 2005 2:06 PM

denny said:

so was thursday night on indigo the friday night "connected systems" talk or was last night a kind of "Bonus show" that came up at the last minute??

good no matter what just trying to figure out if I should be looking for something to air tonight or not??

# April 29, 2005 7:59 AM

Gary said:

Carl, what about Mondays? And what's this Thursday show Denny is talking about?

# April 29, 2005 10:06 AM

Gary said:

I see, this was posted near the end of the day yesterday. OK, so is Mondays still on for tonight? And would it be possible to give us more notice if the schedule changes? It seems like if I don't check this page every hour on Thursday and Friday, I miss the show.

# April 29, 2005 10:12 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Gary, Mondays is tonight at 9PM Eastern. Most people use an RSS aggregatgor like SharpReader or FeedDemon to automatically get these announcements. Sometimes the schedule changes on the day of the recording. That's just the way it goes...

# April 29, 2005 11:04 AM

denny said:

Yeah I guess I am going to have to catch up with the whole RSS feed thing.... so much tech to learn and so few hours and brain cells to spend on it all....

some days I feel like an old man :-)

# April 29, 2005 12:43 PM

Quentin said:

Was the Mondays recorded 4/22 ever published?

# April 29, 2005 1:13 PM

Carl said:

Nope. We buried it... after we shot it 33 times with a revolver... and stabbed it... etc.

# April 29, 2005 1:20 PM

Paul said:

Okay, now I am confused.... is 9pm tonight .NET Rocks or Mondays?

# April 29, 2005 2:37 PM

Paul said:

Nevermind... I am a day late and dollar short.

# April 29, 2005 2:38 PM

Mark Miller said:

StuFF: If you go to the devexpress.public.dotnet.refactor.vb newsgroup, you can find a thread with the subject "Refactor options". In this thread I discuss work-arounds for rebinding this default shortcut.

# April 30, 2005 7:31 PM

marco said:

hehehe.
great!

# May 2, 2005 2:55 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

Carl, you're a living cartoon - and I mean that in a good way :)

# May 2, 2005 4:52 PM

Mark Miller said:

Hey Carl, be sure to tell folks where they can get Mondays on a regular basis -- e.g., http://mondays.pwop.com

# May 3, 2005 3:45 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Indeed. Thanks, Mark.

# May 3, 2005 3:46 AM

chelsea_48@hotmail.com said:

i had 7.0 msn but it just disappeared

# May 4, 2005 2:05 PM

Mark Miller is #1 said:

Mark is hilarious, just waiting for him to say 'You Sir are dumber than me!'. This is a great part of the show. Also the duct tape and bubble wrap thing was a hoot. Keep up the good work, and isn't Jeff better grumpy?

# May 5, 2005 7:25 AM

Quentin said:

The monkey SWAT bit was hilarious. I think it is impossible to listen to without cracking up.

But I need to know, has Executive Order 452731-B been rescinded, or are we still at Monkey DEFCON Level 5?

# May 5, 2005 9:09 AM

cherise said:

i cant get the sighn in to worki

# May 5, 2005 10:18 PM

NJJohn said:

This is funny, but Karen's SUV rant stole the show.

# May 6, 2005 8:21 AM

Aaron Junod said:

How about a clip from Richard's story (I forget the machine name, but where part of the harddrive got stuck to the car). I know its a longer one, but I think it would get alot geeks hooked.. I'll be sending my share this weekend though ;)

# May 6, 2005 8:26 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Goliath! Absolutely! I'm working my way backwards. I stopped at show 15. That story was in show 12, I think.

# May 6, 2005 8:35 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I agree. That's got to be a clip!

# May 6, 2005 8:36 AM

Aaron Junod said:

Yes yes goliath.. I think I want this one ripped just so I can put it next to 1's and 0's on my mp3 player too :) I'll watch this post though for the goliath, and make sure all my nerd buddies get a copy this weekend.

# May 6, 2005 8:41 AM

TrackBack said:

# May 6, 2005 8:53 AM

NoLikey said:

I don't know man... I've tried digesting a few episodes now of this show and I keep throwing it right back up; just like your title says!

You sound like a bunch of giddy little school children saying the word poop for the first time because you're Mommy isn't in earshot. I mean really... I'm starting to NOT be able to take you seriously on your .NET Rocks show now. It's bad enough we had to endure the Rory blather episodes (thank God he's gone!), and now with Richard and the new format you're finally approaching the level of professionalism, and more importantly, usefulness the show had when Mark Dunn was co-host. And you wonder why you're hurting for listeners? I know you're a NPR and CPTV fan, so why not keep it real man. Kick it up a notch and I might actually start listening faithfully, along with lots of others. You have a great radio voice and I know you're a smart guy and I respect you, but DNR went down hill with the introduction of Rory, and you changed and adopted some of his inane personality and haven't seem to be able to shake it. DNR lost listenership for a reason. The same reasons why Mondays is hurting.

Just being honest... I really WANTED to like Mondays but just couldn't. Sorry man, because I really love the Dunn and Campbell DNRs and have listened to every episode. Keep up the good work you're doing and try to bring the other stuff up to the same level. :-)

# May 6, 2005 9:25 AM

TrackBack said:

# May 6, 2005 9:30 AM

Paul said:

What ever happened to Active Nick?

# May 6, 2005 9:35 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> You sound like a bunch of giddy little school children saying the word poop for the first time because you're Mommy isn't in earshot. <

Success!!!

# May 6, 2005 10:39 AM

NoLikey said:

Uh... OI. I know you want the show be funny, but is not. It's inane.

# May 6, 2005 12:14 PM

Paul said:

NoLikey, I am sure the show is not going to meet everyone's taste. But I think the show has really changed since it started and will most likely go through many more. I happen to like the show. I agree that it started out that ("You sound like a bunch of giddy little school children saying the word poop for the first time because you're Mommy isn't in earshot") way, but I think it has become more focused which is making it hilarious. The 'People dumber than me' bit is a great drive time killer. Before I know it, my hour drive has come and gone before I know it. Keep up the great work Carl and the gang.

# May 6, 2005 1:05 PM

NoLikey said:

Alright Paul... I'll listen to some of the more recent episodes; I know that Carl IS funny. I hear him on DNR BEING funny. Let me download a few of the most recent shows and give 'em a whirl. I'm always interested in hearing about people who are actually dumber than me. ;-)

# May 6, 2005 2:08 PM

Rory said:

"It's bad enough we had to endure the Rory blather episodes"

I just asked my mom, and she says you're a big wiener.

"(thank God he's gone!)"

I just asked my mom about this, too, and she said "If you're gone, then how come you're still living in my basement?"

Facts are facts, man. I'm not gone.

"DNR went down hill with the introduction of Rory"

My mom just said that Carl should post a graph showing how the listenership of the show changed after I joined.

She's no statistician, but she *did* notice that most people didn't seem to think that the show went down hill.

Also, she called you a wiener again.

"Kick it up a notch"

Mom says that this makes you sound like an Emeril fan, and that it lost you all of your credibility when it comes to critiquing entertainment programs.

She says you might like the show better if there was more cooking, and if Carl sometimes yelled "BAM!" and threw garlic on the content, causing the whole crowd to erupt in applause.

I think she might be right, but I don't care that much because I'm starting to agree that you're a wiener, and that, like so many people who are into tech, you are utterly, utterly lacking in tact, and approached Carl all wrong about how to "improve" his show.

# May 6, 2005 2:14 PM

NoLikey said:

Rory -

Go back to your basement OK... And don't worry, I think Emeril may have a few more listeners/readers in his little circle than your little blog will have ever. And I'm not an Emeril fan, but that little quip of his does stick, unlike yours which grate on me like nails on a chalkboard.

And yes, I AM a weiner. Even my Mom thinks so, but that's another issue really. ;-) I just hope you didn't tick off too many of the tactless techies in your last statement. I'm sure you waited with bated breath for this post so here it is...

# May 6, 2005 2:30 PM

Gary said:

"I'm starting to NOT be able to take you seriously on your .NET Rocks show now."

I really have a hard time understanding why you listen to a podcast you don't like and then say it's ruining another podcast you listen to. There's an easy solution to this...

You no likey? You no listen.

# May 6, 2005 2:44 PM

Buddy Lindsey said:

NoLikey: honestly what do you expect to accomplish by complaining about the show. Just because one person complains doesn't mean it is going to change. Also how inmature to kick someone while their down. I mean Rory is no longer on the show so you freaking knock him when he doesn't have a chance to defend himself. yes he reads this so he can defend himself, but what if he didn't read this blog then that would be even more disrespectful. Also your post isn't really constructive I could understand a lot better if it was constructive, but mainly it is a bunch of complaining.

# May 6, 2005 6:15 PM

vbNullString said:

Dude, I love Mondays. I just can't wait for Monday to come. The first thing I do in a Monday morning is downloading Mondays and upload it to my iPod. While I check my email at work, I start listening to it. I start working and then I try to following Richard's toys and share with my colleagues. I told my colleagues about Mondays, and they love it! Perfect podcast for geeks! I love every single segment, Mark and Karen are very funny and they make me laugh my ass off!

# May 7, 2005 12:43 AM

Mr Irrelevant said:

wow .... bleeding edge

# May 7, 2005 1:48 AM

Rory said:

"Go back to your basement OK"

OKAY-EE.

[basement backing toing noises]

"And don't worry, I think Emeril may have a few more listeners/readers in his little circle than your little blog will have ever."

I wasn't actually worried.

However, ranking as the 720th most popular blog in the universe out of 9,500,000 others according to Technorati, with my roughly 30,000 unique visitors a month, 230,000 visits a month, 720,000 page views per month (2,500,000 hits each month if you care about that sort of thing), thousands of downloads of my music each month, and over 80GB of bandwidth used each month, I like to think I'm doing all right for a short, ugly, big-nosed dork with no high-school or college diplomas, or any other redeeming qualities. (I can’t even cook.)

I never planned on being Emeril, although I've done everything in my power *not* to become him.

Anyway, where are all of *your* readers? Thought we could compare notes :)

"And I'm not an Emeril fan, but that little quip of his does stick, unlike yours which grate on me like nails on a chalkboard."

If you could let me know *exactly* what it is that I do that "grates on [you] like nails on a chalkboard," then I could take it, concentrate it, and turn it into a popular fragrance for women, hopefully ensuring that you'll never be able to get close enough to one to actually breed. Granted, it’s the slow method to keep jack-asses out of the forums, but one day these boards will be clear, as they won’t be clogged with your whining, bitching offspring.

"And yes, I AM a weiner. Even my Mom thinks so, but that's another issue really. ;-)"

Hee-hee!

"I just hope you didn't tick off too many of the tactless techies in your last statement."

Hardly a concern, my friend. A tactless techie is someone who *isn't* interested in waiting for an invitation to bitch and moan.

Look at you, after all! You just came in here, guns-blazing, making demands left and right as to how this show should be conducted, and yet you didn't even do us the honor of providing your name.

No - I don't think we'll be seeing many more of your kind in this forum.

"I'm sure you waited with bated breath for this post so here it is..."

Actually, that *is* true. I love nothing more than an unprovoked attack against my character, as it gives me carte blanche to behave in whatever manner I find acceptable.

"When Assholes Collide" - that would be a good name for this thread.

# May 7, 2005 2:09 AM

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

I agree with vbNullString Mondays is great, I listen to Mondays first thing on Monday morning, before I even download DNR. I especially love Karen.

And it's good to hear a bunch of guys souning "like a bunch of giddy little school children saying the word poop for the first time because you're Mommy isn't in earshot".

The world is getting too serious as it is, we need to ligthen up a bit. What's the point in being serious all the time?

I really hope that you keep producing Mondays - thats my 2c worth.

# May 7, 2005 2:48 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> And it's good to hear a bunch of guys sounding "like a bunch of giddy little school children saying the word poop for the first time because you're Mommy isn't in earshot". <

We think of it like Barney for grownups.

# May 7, 2005 2:58 AM

M2 said:

I honestly thought this was another episode of Monday! LMAO until I realised this NOLIKEY was actually trying to be serious... then I LMAO even more! what a weiner.

For me the actual selling point of Mondays is that there is no censorship, you guys can and do say what you please, it is this adhoc approach and one liners that give your show its unique apeal...

also note you "monkey butt sniffing", blog abusing, potty mouthed weiner, you sar are dumber than me! hahahahaha....

# May 7, 2005 3:08 AM

_ said:

Rory can't cook?!?!?

# May 7, 2005 4:53 PM

Rory said:

"Rory can't cook?!?!?"

Well... No. Not really.

It's my problem with commitment - I'm completely terrified of being attached to anything.

If I could cook, then that would mean that I would probably be using some of the cooking things in the apartment where I live.

If I were using some of the cooking things, and if I were eating at "home" on a regular basis, then it would imply that I actually *live* in the place.

See?

As long as I don't cook or buy furniture, I can pretend that I don't really live in this apartment, and that I'm not commited to it.

# May 8, 2005 1:29 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 16, 2005 7:51 AM

NoLikey said:

Nice Jeff, very subtle... DOS attacks.

By the way, in all fairness, I must apologize to Carl and gang. :-| I listened to the last two episodes and these _are_ funny. I guess I'll start working my way back until they get too silly for my taste.

Again, I just finished listening to the latest episode on the way to work and was busting a gut about the gnomes and old ladies. Mark M's bit is great too...
<tailBetweenLegs/>

# May 17, 2005 10:04 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Hey man, I liked you better the old way!

Can you tell us we suck again???

:-)

# May 17, 2005 11:56 AM

NoLikey said:

OK... you suck! There, feel better? Sorry Geoff for the wrong spelling of your name...

So are Karen and Rory NOT on the shows anymore? Or is this just a temporary absence? Miller needs to take up caffine again and lay off the crack!

# May 17, 2005 12:39 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Rory will actually be on next week. He sorta got busy at Microsoft, but you can probably expect a cameo now and then.

# May 17, 2005 1:02 PM

Jason Bentley said:

LOL, it actually makes sense. Leave it to Carl.

# May 19, 2005 6:58 AM

SBC said:

Wow! That is some poignant posting!
I had very much enjoyed JC/BM 's Power of Myth series - it was thought provoking and explained a lot of 'unknowns'.
I also highly recommend reading the works of Gandhi who was an exemplary 'Humanist' in every sense of the word.

Thanks for your posting.

# May 19, 2005 7:14 AM

JasonF said:

Interesting parallel in evolution:

C : Judaism
Java : Roman Catholicism
C# : Protestantism
VB: Islam? Scientology? Humanism? Other? ;)

# May 19, 2005 10:30 AM

Kyle Bennett said:

Carl,

"To live and let live. To believe A and let others believe B, or even (B AND NOT A). However difficult, this is the only thing that will save us from wiping each other off the face of the earth"

What if B is "I should force you to believe B also"? What if B is "I have a right to kill you and take your stuff"? Sure, it might be OK to let people believe that, but then, who are you to say that they can't act on it, that they have to act against their beliefs? That's just your belief A speaking.

As long as there are beliefs like B, the only thing that will save us from wiping ourselves off the face of the earth is persuading people not to believe B - which starts by clearly identifiying it as wrong - or preventing, by force, people from acting on belief B - which also starts with clearly identifying it as wrong. The difference between the two is in how long you wait to make the identification.

I'm fine with beliefs C,D,E,F, etc., that can live in peace with my belief Q, or W. But if you can't at least say that B is wrong, then you can't prevent us from getting wiped off the face of the earth. You can't even object to wiping us off the face of the earth, because that might be somebody's belief Z.

I love DNR and Mondays, great work!

--Kyle Bennett

# May 19, 2005 12:37 PM

# May 23, 2005 10:11 AM

TrackBack said:

# May 24, 2005 4:51 PM

Randy Glenn said:

Are you guys not doing AAC versions of Mondays anymore?

# May 25, 2005 12:14 AM

vbNullString said:

Hmm... Why were the foul languages bleeped out from this show? Did FCC knock on your door, Carl? I felt less spice in the show without them... Is this how we are going to have to listen to the show?

# May 25, 2005 1:21 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It's very simple. I want to be able to play Mondays in my house for my wife with my kids in the room. :-)

Besides, we think it's funnier with bleeps. :-)

# May 25, 2005 2:14 AM

Paul said:

New London has a salary range above the national average??? Carl must be paying Geoff way too much.

Who needs dental when Carl pays higher than average. :)

# May 25, 2005 8:48 AM

denny said:

Too Cold !

FLORIDA!!

-- just stay in during a huricane!
:-)

# May 25, 2005 9:06 AM

Darron said:

I spent my time there in the late 80's when I was in the Navy... Very nice place. Love Mystic.

# May 25, 2005 10:52 AM

Andrew Robinson said:

New London won't be that way for long.... I live in Bellingham WA and we always seem to make it to the top 10 for small cities, a place to retire to, access to the outdoors, etc. But, not a place to find high tech work unless you are lucky or commute down to Seattle.

-A

# May 25, 2005 11:04 AM

vbNullString said:

Hmm... Too bad, I liked un-bleeped Mondays better. Oh well...

# May 25, 2005 12:38 PM

Paul said:

I think this should be titled: Jedi Masters make bad programmers. After watching the movie last night, I came to the conclusion that both Obiwan and Yoda make horrible programmers. They are given one requirement, kill the Sith.

Obiwan had the opportunity to achieve the only requirement Yoda set out, but walked away.

Yoda on the other hand found his task too tough and crawled away.

The only way the Jedi could achieve decent Performance was to utilize a third party component, which ended up being their downfall. Classic build versus buy scenario and the Jedi chose to buy. Since the Jedi are an elite group of people, they can't simply add just anyone to their group, so they ended up using Clone Troopers to do most of their fighting.

Security was the last thing on the Jedi mind. They left their future unguarded in the Jedi temple as Anakin slaughtered the future of the Jedi. They paid the price.

Availability and Scalability is an inherit flaw in the Jedi since they can not easily scale out or be available due to their elite nature.

Extensibility is something that Jedi also lack. Since they are bound to exclude emotion from their actions, they are not utilizing their full capability and are being handcuffed unlike the Sith who allow emotion to enter into their minds. This is what lead Anakin to the Dark Side, the promise (albeit a false promise) to learn things that the Jedi simply won't teach.

Anyways... just had to rant.

# May 26, 2005 8:44 AM

tomawesome said:

good analysis Paul. I think Vader and the Imperial forces/Trade Federation were obviously more productive than the Jedi and the Rebel Alliance. who built the death stars? who built all the droids and clones/storm troopers? did the Jedi ever produce any tangible artifacts (ok, I'll grant the lightsabers but beyond that)? they seem to me more as anarchists, determined to overthrow the new order. as programmers, I think the Jedi would fall into the academic, ivory tower category -- endlessly fretting about best practices and advancing theory without ever getting down to business. so maybe I'm saying the best programmres practice a dark art?

# May 26, 2005 1:10 PM

tomawesome said:

wasn't Geoff saying he was couldn't stand CT anymore and was moving?

# May 26, 2005 1:15 PM

Stefan said:

Great idea! Which type of quiz will it be? Like in "WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE" (with A-B-C-D answers) or should the contestante give the answers explicitly?

# May 29, 2005 7:22 AM

Carl Franklin said:

There are several things we can do. One idea is to have an elimination type quiz. Contestants A and B go against each other until one person gives a wrong answer. Contestants C and D do the same. The winners of each of those compete with each other the same way. One person is left standing.

Seems like we could do a series of shows like this over a longer period of time, with questions on a wider range of topics, but all related to computing and .NET. I wonder if people would listen?

# May 29, 2005 9:34 AM

denny said:

is it me or does the last one have Geoff's Voice sounding a bit off?

the Intro seemd like his voice was keyed lower than the music and kinda nasal?

I'm not upset, beeing sick sucks!

# May 30, 2005 3:27 PM

denny said:

BOX Set: yes, also add suny days and some other bits you have and music you have done.

packup a good set and It would be well worth the cost to me!

# May 30, 2005 3:30 PM

rizzo said:

Carl,

Your show made the Top 10 .NET Tips & Tricks.

http://www.vbrad.com/source/src_top_dotnet_tips_tricks.htm

# May 31, 2005 2:10 PM

denny said:

carl: just some bits I'd like to hear more about on DNR or perhaps MSFT's MSDN TV:

1) C9 had a video on extending My
WOW! I mean it is logical to be able to but I had not seen any info about this till that video! My. could perhaps become a starting point for an app-domain / business app framework of a kind.... sounds like an interesting way to do some stuff.

2) SQL 2005 reports: I have seen and heard of the new report model tool and the user-designer tool that use the server side sql reports bits...
I wonder though: what about taking the model and the user-report builder and connecting them to a diesktop / mobile report system?
Example: build a datamodel that runs against SQL Express on a laptop and lets the user do local reports ad-hoc.
or in a connected mode publsih the model to the server and the reports but then run the report localy.

just some stuff I plan on looking at as I go forth with the new bits for 05.

# June 1, 2005 10:23 AM

TrackBack said:

# June 2, 2005 5:17 PM

Hey Carl

Was Mondays recorded on the 3rd or is it tonight, the 4th?

# June 4, 2005 5:20 PM

TrackBack said:

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# June 12, 2005 5:01 PM

Paul said:

Very nice.

# June 13, 2005 9:42 AM

Strafe said:

Yeah, and? ;)

# June 15, 2005 12:25 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Uh.. I just thought you might want to know about it. :-)

# June 15, 2005 12:53 PM

Paul said:

.NET Rocks and Mondays.... both nominated.

# June 15, 2005 2:28 PM

NJJohn said:

Nomination made.

# June 15, 2005 3:37 PM

Gary said:

If I only knew some podcasts to nominate for technology and comedy...

# June 16, 2005 10:32 AM

denny said:

Yeah... with 2.0 coming and with so many chnages at times it's "Deer in headlights" these days....

I HOPE we can all have a time to just put 2.0 into use and that Orcas is ither 5-6 years away or is more of a .Net 2.5 "EVEOLUTION" release...

# June 16, 2005 5:18 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

Umm... is it ok to create a cheater-app that would vote for certain shows every 15 seconds?

# June 16, 2005 7:04 PM

Kent said:

Hi-ya Carl

I have put you in the BigBlogZoo at http://www.bigblogzoo.com under the category:

Top/Computers/Internet/On_the_Web/Weblogs/Personal/C

Maybe you would like to be somewhere more technical?

I would like to invite you to try the new folksonomy feature. If you add your blog to the animal world it then lists it on the home page. You could also write a wiki entry to publicise your blog, or mention it in the safari lodge.

regards

kent

# June 16, 2005 7:48 PM

mrpeabody said:

Carl, I'm renowned for being slow to 'get' things... and this is no different... Sorry, I don't follow you on the 2-for-1 deal.

Is the 2-for-1 deal referring to
a) 'do the vb.net 1.1 course now and come back and do the vb.net 2.0 for free'? or
b) 'do the vb.net 1.1 now and do an asp.net 1.1 for free'?
or c) something completely different.
I'll just toddle off and take my geriatric pills and see if they help...

# June 16, 2005 11:14 PM

mrpeabody said:

hang on... the little man just woke up and switched the light on and brushed away the cobwebs...
Do you mean 2 people for the price of one?
(being a one person shop I didn't think of that...)

# June 16, 2005 11:55 PM

DrBytes said:

Yay! I need my crack! :)
The shows rock, you guys, keep it up!

# June 17, 2005 6:51 AM

Lalitha said:

hi

# June 18, 2005 2:45 AM

Lalitha said:

I need the multiple choice questions & Answers in c programming Language.

# June 18, 2005 2:47 AM

Leigh Kendall said:

Forget the fund for the new laptop. Maybe you should get a new car instead! ;-)

# June 20, 2005 9:50 AM

Paul said:

We want more pics please.... or is that being saved for .NET Rocks The Movie Part II?

# June 23, 2005 11:58 AM

PaulS said:

Now we know why it is so great to live in New London.... they can take your house away and demolish it and call it constitutional!! Who would want that??

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--seizingproperty-r0623jun23,0,122027.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut

# June 23, 2005 5:08 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, tell me about it. I was shocked to see New London at the top of the list. Whoever compiled it never lived here. This Pfizer thing is a real embarrassment. I know those people down in Shaw's Cove.

It's beautiful here, but the local government doesn't know the meaning of working together for a common goal.

# June 23, 2005 5:13 PM

JasonF said:

Wow, blog spam. What will they think of next?

# June 23, 2005 9:14 PM

Randy said:

What was up with the stream during the taping of Mondays last night? It just died at some point, came back to you guys talking about the Internet being broken or something, and went away again. Hopefully you were able to finish taping :)

# June 25, 2005 11:34 AM

Carl Franklin said:

If you hadn't noticed, the Internet had big trouble last night. It's still having problems. Asia is still at about 50% packet loss as of this writing. Something is going on that I don't know about yet.

http://www.internettrafficreport.com

# June 25, 2005 11:51 AM

Maurício said:

Just wanted to point out that Geoff announced "show #26" at the intro. According to the site, that's show #25.

By the way, awesome show. I almost died while listening Mark's movie idea.

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# June 30, 2005 8:55 PM

Peter Wisner said:

Tried to get into the chat room and just kept timing out.

But I wanted to pass on that iTunes is doing a Pod Casting Service. It would be cool if dot net rocks was available there

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# July 1, 2005 5:26 AM

Geoff Stockham said:

It looks like .NET Rocks and Mondays are in the iTunes top 100, but they don't work as it doesn't have bittorrent support (yet?). Shame, as the iTunes interface seems to be quite good for the podcasts...

# July 1, 2005 7:59 AM

Prashanth said:

Looking forward to .NET Rocks and Mondays support for iTunes.
Currently I can get all my other podcast feeds on iTunes. .NETRocks and Mondays are the only exceptions.

# July 1, 2005 9:29 AM

Listener said:

For all iPod owners: use the m4b files, so much benefits! It continues playing from where you were, useful if you're travel takes lass time than one DNR Edition.

# July 1, 2005 9:32 AM

Andrew Burns said:

Listener:
It appears (at least on my 4G HP iPod) that if you install the new iPod updater then MP3s support the resume feature in iTunes and on the iPod as well.

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# July 1, 2005 10:26 PM

flipdoubt said:

Guys, iTunes has a really easy-to-use library with which you probably could write some kind .NET app that kicks off a BitTorrent client when a .torrent file gets downloaded. Guess I will have to upgrade my iTunes to find out.

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# July 2, 2005 2:58 PM

Wallym said:

Yep, I see the same problem. I'm using bittorrent, but I see all the failed requests also.

# July 2, 2005 9:18 PM

Wallym said:

ooops, make that I am NOT using bittorrent, but I see the failed requests from iTunes the same.

# July 2, 2005 9:19 PM

Doug said:

This is a great blog entry.

# July 3, 2005 7:34 AM

Jason Salas said:

Hey Carl,

I blogged about the challenges iTuns 4.9 presents at: http://weblogs.asp.net/jasonsalas/archive/2005/07/02/417338.aspx

# July 3, 2005 7:14 PM

Sound Monkey said:

To clarify, this not *just* the difference between bittorrent and http bandwidth usage, it's *also* showing increased numbers due to people on iTunes who hadn't been able to get the show before.

# July 4, 2005 12:58 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Right. We will really have to compare the numbers tomorrow, when all the iTunes subscribers get the new shows along with everyone else. I'm wondering if our 10 Mb pipe will take it.

# July 4, 2005 1:01 AM

asher said:

probably, and hopefully.... not :-)
i'm so happy 4 u guys!

# July 4, 2005 1:29 AM

Randy said:

That, sir, is astounding. My guess would have to be that people - like myself - who have just set up iTunes to read the RSS feeds are re-downloading the most recent episode. Not that that makes things any better - you're probably going to see just as much traffic tomorrow :S

Have you considered registering the podcast with iTMS? Apparently there's some caching going on at their end - which could help.

The increased traffic is seriously bumming me out though - I've been unable to download a full episode all day.

# July 4, 2005 1:31 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We just published DNR, and the pipe was maxxed before we published. Now it's going to be saturated.

Carl

# July 4, 2005 2:01 AM

Justin King said:

I certainly hope you have a fixed rate for bandwidth!

# July 4, 2005 2:08 AM

Pete Muller said:

Wow. I'm seeing all of 100 B/s on my torrent.

If ever there was an example of why torrents are a necessary part of podcasting, this is it...

8o

# July 4, 2005 2:14 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Fixed Rate: Yes. And, I don't share my pipe with anyone, so no irate ISP phone calls. I pay for that though. :-)

You know, I hate to say I told you so (to the podcasting community) but...

The reason nobody listened before is that they never had a reason to scale. Now that the ISPs are calling and demanding more money or they will cut power, people are beginning to demand BitTorrent.

Now the world waits to see if Apple will actually implement it. You know, all they have to do is look and see if the enclosure is a .torrent file and if so kick off the app associated with .torrent files. In Windows it's a piece of cake. I believe the API call is ShellEx. Mac is all about file associations, so it should be a no-brainer for them.

Thankfully, Adam Curry is also calling for the use of BitTorrent in podcasting, so hopefully Apple is working on it.

Carl

# July 4, 2005 2:20 AM

Ian said:

I wonder how many people are listening to the shows and how many are just subscribing and geting all the old shows.
I have seen my show numbers well over double.

# July 4, 2005 4:24 AM

StuFF said:

Apple WILL implement Bit Torrent... I have no worries about that... Here in Europe a lot of guys are pretty angry because their "simple" podcast had 20gb of trafic in one day ;) Some stopped, because, of course, they was not used to it and some had problems with their hoster ;) On my side, I'm waiting to be there and will try to find the necessary sponsors to be able to make my project live ;)

# July 4, 2005 8:38 AM

Wallym said:

Yep, I am seeing the same type of traffic problems. I wasn't logging the butes transferred, but I turned it on yesterday. I don't have a lot of bandwidth, so its killing me, but I guess that is good.

# July 4, 2005 9:31 AM

Rob Cannon said:

One issue that might help your bandwidth, your feeds have links for the full episode and the a & b episodes. So I am basically downloading each episode twice, now.

# July 4, 2005 9:48 AM

Martin Woodward said:

Good luck with the Bandwidth Carl! Now DNR has moved to direct downloads I can dump my old Podcaster completely (nimiq). I hope that Apple do think about bittorrent, but I have my doubts... (lot's of nasty problems with figuring out people's firewall configs etc).

What do you think about only having the AAC version doing a direct download? People who have iTunes will be able to listen to AAC's...

# July 4, 2005 11:29 AM

Randy Given said:

If you need YABT (yet-another-beta-tester), I would be happy to do it.

Randy Given
GivenRandy@aol.com

# July 4, 2005 11:53 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We will let it go for a week and see what happens. If we need to we'll make AAC the only direct feed, as you suggest.

# July 4, 2005 1:29 PM

Dave Burke said:

DEFINITELY a great blog entry! Probably generated by some sort of tool.

# July 4, 2005 7:39 PM

rizzo said:

Hello??? The reason you are getting hit much more than normal is because it is your own fault.
And not because all of a sudden the entire listening iTunes audience has become addicted to .NET.

You reset your podcast XML file (twice) causing the lists that the podcatcher client maintains to triple in size. So no surprise, the that the client decided to go ahead and re-download absolutely everything again.

# July 5, 2005 12:44 AM

Carl Franklin said:

That is a big part of it. However, our log files in the week before we changed the feeds grew in size by a factor of approx. 3.5. Upon investigation, we were getting thousands of requests from iTunes for .torrent files.

I'm fully aware of what this traffic is from.

The plan at the moment is to let it ride for a couple weeks and see what really happens. Or until iTunes adds support for BT clients.

# July 5, 2005 12:51 AM

CometBill said:

Luke Hutteman posted a blog about strange bandwidth issues.

http://www.hutteman.com/weblog/2005/06/23-228.html

are yours and his issues related ?

# July 5, 2005 3:29 AM

Tim Ensor said:

Carl Wrote:
"Partial Classes make Code Generation Usable"

Er - isnt that what inheritance is for? In the paragraph above, you say:
"One problem which we both independently discovered is that if you override a member in the generated class, for example OnRowChanged (which is overriden in the generated dataset code) then you can't override it again in the other part of the class. "

Which is inherintly the problem with partial classes. You cant override the other half of the partial class. If you instead have a generated base / inherited user class scenario, you can override any generated members.

# July 5, 2005 8:00 AM

rizzo said:

Carl,

How about adding a separate bittorrent feed? I'd rather use that since my blogcatcher (Rss Radio) works fine with bittorrent.

As far as ITunes & bittorrent, it's unlikely that they will add it in the near future. Reason number one is that their releases are fairly spaced out and usually are coincided with various apple developer conferences. I wouldn't expect another release until the end of the year. Another reason is that Apple probably doesn't want to deal with people calling their tech support asking what port 6881 is.

# July 5, 2005 11:52 AM

Sahil said:

I am amazed no one has asked for this yet, but ..

In the vast jungle of podcasts on iTunes, where can I find .NET Rocks?

- SM

# July 5, 2005 1:28 PM

PaulS said:

That would explain why I went from hearing the intro to hearing the commercial.

# July 5, 2005 4:51 PM

Wallym said:

Don't know if Jason sent you this or not.

http://dailysonic.com/blog/itunes-49-issues/

# July 6, 2005 9:26 AM

Wallym said:

On second thought, this can't be happening. I'm seeing all the requests in out server logs.

# July 6, 2005 9:29 AM

Jo Ann said:

I had no problem connecting - But, the download that in the past only took a few minutes is taking over an hour - :O) -

# July 6, 2005 12:26 PM

BillH said:

A cause of your increased downloads might be a change in your RSS feeds. Using iPodder, I now see all three of your MP3 files for each episode (regular, _a, _b). iPodder is defaulting to downloading them all. It also interpreted all old episodes as new so it defaulted to downloading everything.

# July 6, 2005 12:44 PM

PaulS said:

Nimiq is starting to recognize the additional episodes also (regular, _a, _b).

# July 6, 2005 3:35 PM

SigiG said:

BillH is right. The xml-files for MP3 and WMA contain the links to regular, _a and _b, while the feed for AAC seems to be correct.
By the way, it took me some time to find out that Azureus didn't download any new shows because the RSS-feed was changed. Well, maybe I deserved it, as I did't check the blog for some time.

# July 6, 2005 4:20 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

I would use CodeSmith for that purpose. Create a template and then just insert the data with <%= datasource.GimmeMyData =%>. I don't know if that could be a solution to your problem, but something you might consider if you are willing to spend some money on CodeSmith and invest the time in learning it. In any way, it's well worth it and you might enjoy code generation with it.

# July 6, 2005 5:28 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Using iPodder, I now see all three of your MP3 files for each episode (regular, _a, _b). <

Ah... you are correct. That is a problem. However, there are still only 15 items in the feed. If anything that should *Decrease* used bandwidth because it doesn't represent 15 full shows.

Now this is going to be interesting. I must fix this without causing any further unnecessary downloads.

# July 6, 2005 6:14 PM

BillH said:

The increased bandwidth may be largely due to old shows looking like they are new. My iPodder was downloading 1 show a week. All of a sudden today it wanted to download most of the 15 items listed in the feed (since I don't hang on to the files that I've listen to).

# July 7, 2005 12:44 AM

Peter said:

Hi!

can you let us know how good programmer, which I think I am, differ from "talented software developer" you wrote about?

thanks,
Peter.

# July 7, 2005 1:42 AM

Scott said:

Hence, horrible villain, or I'll spurn thine eyes like balls before me; I'll unhair thy head, Thou shalt be whipp'd with wire, and stew'd'in brine, smarting in lingering pickle.

# July 7, 2005 2:27 AM

Ben said:

The teeming millions probably haven't heard the call to flame you because they're still downloading this week's DNR/Mondays at 2kbps.

ffs it's not funny anymore :-(

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# July 7, 2005 4:41 AM

Anon(R) said:

Flame?! You want a flame? So, how's this you Nazis (was that really required): I've listened to every freagin episode of the show; many of the multiple times and now because of that, I can not start a sentance without the word "So"

So, it hurts.

So, on another note: <boilerplate></boilderplate> (good, that's out of the way) I really love the show. So, for the past 6+ years I was a VB6 mort; the company I was with couldn't see the value of moving away from large & brittle COM/DCOM/MTS projects and all web stuff was Cold Fusion and Crystal Enterprise was the crowning jewel of achievement in the IT industry. yuck, yuck, yuckity, yuck. I was to the point where it seemed as if this industry was not for me. So, then this past winter I took a job with an IT dept that embraced new stuff, looked to the future, adopts early, promotes playing with betas, saw the business value managed and the .net plateform code would bring to the table, etc etc ...

... While I've always favored MS technoligies, I never got too deep into the .Net culture until this year. So, I quickly latched onto the show (and subsequently Mondays) to keep the mental gears turning smoothly, get exposed to new products & technologies, and to stay with the curve.

Ok, poor execution of a "flame" ... strong finish, poor follow-through.

# July 7, 2005 11:49 AM

Chris Brandsma said:

You wanted more flames, well you shall be +1 as of now.

Enjoy.

# July 7, 2005 12:14 PM

Dan Krhla said:

You Freeking C#, C++, semi-colon using, semi-programmers are freeking smelly, non hair washing, non bathing losers. Visual Basic Rules. C anythign programmers are just pompus, self loving wannabees. get a life, get a real languge. And oh, by the way, I dig up and have sex with dead bodies, and Carl helps / holds the camera!!! Elvis isn't dead, Bill Gates is a 'borg from the future, and AIDS is God's message to us all!

# July 7, 2005 12:44 PM

Anon(R) said:

Dan,
So, you forgot to mention Nazis. Apparently that is a 'must-have' component of a flame.

But, you are absolutely correct about VB. And we should include Java-ites in the listing of smelly semi-programmers.

# July 7, 2005 1:39 PM

Dan Krhla said:

I figured we want a flame war, not an uneducated free-for-all. Bringing the Java slobs into this would cause too many problems!

# July 7, 2005 2:16 PM

Ben said:

Goddamn do I have to educate you people?

According to surveys, Java is the most popular language in the world, so we as .NET developers must fight this evil all-powerful Java Empire. Don't you see? We're the suave, attractive Han Solo's, and the Java programmers are the evil oppressive overlords that must be stopped before their moon-sized space station is fully operational.

And don't bitch about wanting to go to "Toschi station to pick up some power converters", just get to work defeating the Empire OK!?

Nazis.

# July 7, 2005 4:58 PM

Hermann Klinke said:

Yes, there is definitely something wrong with your RSS files. Today my podcast client downloaded the a & b parts and the full mp3 of the last 5 shows even though I already downloaded them.

# July 7, 2005 5:08 PM

Chris Brandsma said:

Good lord Ben, do you even work with programmers? .NET or Java?

The key component to the allure of Han Solo was the fact that he actually could get the girl. Also, I don’t remember Han having a completion of "pasty white". If the first think a girl says to you is "ew gross", then Han Solo you are not.

The closest character in Star Wars to any real programmer I've ever seen would be Jaba the Hutt, closely followed by a load of dorks who think they are Obi Wan Kenobi.

The truly unfortunate aspect of programming these days is the sheer mass of Jar Jars there are out there. I say unfortunate, because most of the people who would classify as being a Jar Jar think they are Yoda manifested in bad hygiene.

If only it would be so easy as to say that they only program in VB.NET – how the world would rejoice. No this full collection of morons has found its way into every popular programming language known to man. Don’t believe me, go check out http://thedailywtf.com/ and browse the wide assortment of samples. Samples of what these brainiacs have to offer.

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# July 8, 2005 11:25 AM

Charlie Barker said:

My own little podcast has seen 750 downloads in the last few days, looking at the headers most of it is iTunes related normally it would take several months for that many downloads!

# July 8, 2005 12:05 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Uh, Dan... we wanted you to flame US not the C# Java camp... Man! Get a clue!

# July 8, 2005 4:32 PM

JimC said:

Carl, You wanted a flame, here it is. WTF is up with you guys, I listen to the show to gain insight into making myself a better code genius, I here people like you and Mark Miller talk about naming standards, Upper Lower Casing, prefixing, all that good stuff. I am new to the Dot.net experience, having done work in VBA and VB6 it is a culture shock, but I am learning. I have taken some of the “Best Practices” about naming from what I learned before. Ok so I am getting to the point.

So, ( I thought that was required) having said all that, and listening to your rants about making code readable, I have a simple request. Name your freakin mp3’s and ACC files with the same standards. Some shows have the guests names at the end, while others don’t. In the ID Tags, some are Carl Franklin, some are Pwop some don’t have anything…... What is an Anal retentive noob like me going to think…..come on man, put some effort behind that pasty white coding ass of yours and make them conform to your whims…….. Also, Name of the tracks on my non-Microsoft Ipod all look like this….

DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….
DotNetRocks…….

How the hell do I know what Episodes they are? Put the Freakin number in the front of the Name…..come on……try scrolling through that Shit…….

Well on the upside I will continue to listen to the show, I do like it and it has helped ( at least it is cheaper than my therapist…) Keep on Rockin….

# July 8, 2005 7:53 PM

Carl said:

Not bad, Jim. Not bad. Not very creative, but not bad.

I suppose I have to answer your issues.

The standard we have chosen for naming the files is this:

DotNetRocks_XXXX_Show_Name.xxx

XXXX is the show number. As for the name, if it's one guest we will use that. If there are two guests and the names are not too long, we'll use them. If there are more than two guests we name the show something else. Let's fact it, nobody wants a mile-long filename. This is actually your last issue, where the ipod doesn't show you the full name because there are too many characters. Not much I can do about that, I'm afriad.

Then some shows simply have no real name. Show #100 is just Show 100, so there is no further name.

The ID tags are consistent for every file. Not sure what you're talking about there.

As for putting the show number in front of the name, let's see...

0102_A_Guest_DotNetRocks.mp3

hmm... I just can't bring myself to do that. Of course if we did that we'd get complaints that we've changed everything around and code will break.

However, there is a way you can get exactly what you want. By using the amazing *Windows Explorer* technology you can actually *rename* the files before you copy them to your iPod!!

# July 8, 2005 10:33 PM

Unfallversicherung said:

still slow :(

any way I can see the bw used?

# July 9, 2005 1:19 AM

Bill said:

Clicked on the http://www.franklins.net/calldotnetrocks/ link and low and behold there is Rory's ugly mug. Change that *bleep* and put Richard's ugly mug up.

Cheers

# July 9, 2005 3:29 AM

Ignat Andrei said:

How you can tell about anyone that is a "talented software developers " ?What characteristics must he have ?

# July 9, 2005 8:10 PM

JimC said:

Yes I have herd of this "Windows Explorer" technology. I do rename the files, and the ID Tags were messed up. I had to change the ID tags on about 20% of the files..... I wish I could remember what files they were.... Oh well. I was thinking like.. ###_DotNetRocks_xNames.file......
but I guess I cannot have everything....

At least I gave it a shot here, even though I do not have the flare for the flames, not like Rory... I miss you Rory.....Pop in now and again......Not that I disslike Richard, he's doing great... but not many people communicate like Rory.

You guys are great... Keep Rockin......

# July 10, 2005 4:32 AM

Joe Chung said:

Something I have noticed is that many companies seeking "talented .NET programmers" like to require the maximum possible experience (3 years, considering that .NET was released circa 2002).

That's all well and good, but it excludes folks like me who might very well be talented software developers but don't have professional .NET programming experience from "day one," likely because in the early of days of .NET, we were writing code in the linguas francas du jour before .NET became fashionable (VB, Java, C++, ASP).

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Why WED Carl - instead of Friday?

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Carl said:

I'm going away Friday and Russ couldn't do it Wednesday.

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# July 15, 2005 10:16 PM

maozhedonng said:

Richard and I have plans for more .NET Rocks! content. I can't tell you EVERYTHING we have planned, but you can count on a DNR Game Show called The 64-Bit Question. We're going to kick it off at the PDC, and from there we'll see what happens. We're pretty pumped about it, actually. The idea is to get people on the phone to compete in a quiz show using questions from .NET and general computing history.

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# July 16, 2005 12:26 PM

Luke Hutteman said:

Heh - I never knew about any 15 post limit in RSS 0.91. I wonder if there are ANY aggregators out there that actually complain about a feed with more than 15...

Of course enclosures are a RSS 2.0 thing so if you're publishing the entire .NET Rocks back-catalog, you're not likely to use 0.91 anyway...

Glad to hear a M200 screen can be bought for only $130 btw. I just bought a Toshiba R15 for my wife and the guy at CompUSA was trying to sell me their extra insurance, which would cover screen breakage, which he claimed would otherwise cost you $1000 to get repaired. I decided against the extra coverage, and am now sure glad I did.

# July 17, 2005 10:38 PM

mk1dot0 said:

Is DotNetRocks associated with Franklin's.Net or Pwop Productions? It's not a big deal but your MP3's ID3 tag says "Pwop Productions" but your intro and webpage says "Franklin's.Net".

# July 18, 2005 12:13 PM

Charlie Barker said:

Great show inspired me to get going on ASP.NET 2.0 and also to blog about how I deal with spam. Russ is a quality guy, one of his demo projects really helped me grok themes in ASP.NET.

If you could recomend a good book on ASP.NET 2.0 that will cover most things an enterprise level developmer should know that would be awesome, oh and tell Richard he's a Nazi from me ;)

# July 19, 2005 12:57 PM

Stefan said:

I think you confused the dates: Friday 22th July or Saturday 23th July?

# July 20, 2005 3:41 AM

Stefan said:

Sorry, my fault - did read only the title. In the text it's clear that it's Saturday 23rd.

# July 20, 2005 3:44 AM

Randy said:

Had to schedule the live show on a day when I'm actually having a social life, didn't you?

# July 20, 2005 2:50 PM

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So Carl support Leaky underware syndrome

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# July 20, 2005 3:19 PM

Brian Schroer said:

Flame on! It's clobberin' time!

Let's see... How can I break it to you gently... You SUCK!

Your show SUCKS, you SUCK, even your web site SUCKS! I am appalled and disgusted that you perverts would choose to have pictures of goatse and tub girl in the upper-right corner of your home page... Wait a minute... OHMYGOD! Those are your photographs! For the love of God, DO NOT REPRODUCE!!!

Carl, I first had the displeasure of becoming aquainted with your repulsive personage from the old "Carl and Gary's" site. Whatever happened to Gary? For that matter, whatever happened to Mark? and Rory? I'll tell you what happened to them - Their body parts are now in pickle jars in your cellar, you psychopath! I bet you already have a pickle jar Dymo-labeled with Richard's name!

Richard, you have also achieved heretofore unprecedented levels of SUCKiness. I notice that you have a mustache. You know who else had a mustache? HITLER! - THAT's who, you Nazi! You aren't even an American, you commie pinko! You've moved so far to the left, you hit the ocean and had to start moving up the coast. By this time next year (if Carl hasn't cast you aside for a new boy toy yet), you'll be phoning in from an island in the Bering Strait, on your inevitable migration to Russia, where pinko Nazis like you belong! They could replace you with a 200 lb. slab of Canadian bacon, and nobody would notice the difference!

I'm seriously considering replacing my IPod headphones with a pair of those alien ear slugs Khan tortured Checkov with. Sure they'll cause excruciating pain as they burrow their way into my brain, but it will be immensely more pleasurable than listening to your insipid drivel every week!

...nah, just kidding - I love, you guys, man!

# July 21, 2005 11:06 AM

Jim Bonnie said:

Has a generic torrents address been published?
It appears as if only show specific torrents are being posted. I may have missed it!

# July 24, 2005 9:26 AM

Gary said:

Are you guys still planning on doing the show?

# July 24, 2005 1:27 PM

Justin said:

Even if Apple does not list your feed people can still subscribe to it in iTunes under the "Advanced\Subscribe to Podcast" option.

# July 25, 2005 12:58 PM

Carl said:

Yes, but if they do that, they can use the AAC option, which provides the last 3 episodes directly in AAC format (no torrents).

# July 25, 2005 1:06 PM

Brook said:

I get both DNR and Mondays my the manual subscription method in iTunes and they both just downloaded as usual.

iTunes has a great integrated solution and I have too many subscriptions to manage because of it, but that can only be good for podcasting.

# July 25, 2005 5:29 PM

Carl said:

Are you subscribed to the AAC feed? That one is now the only one that downloads files directly without torrents, and so still works with iTunes

# July 25, 2005 5:31 PM

Brook said:

Yep AAC.

# July 26, 2005 8:19 AM

Steve Majewski said:

Yeah, I had that problem. So I busted out my trusty Visual Studio .NET 2003 and whipped out a little app that let me bypass this little annoyance of Apple's.

Read more about it here:
http://blogs.dotnetnerds.com/steve/archive/2005/07/29/16150.aspx

# July 29, 2005 2:13 AM

Ian said:

Sounds good, It will be good to have some Brit content!

# July 29, 2005 6:27 AM

denny said:

about the publishing of the shows:

last few weeks I have been on a *VERY* long days out the door at like 5am mondays and not back home till like 8pm

so trying to get the audio file has been a pain.

any chance you might start publishing the link on sunday nights??

# July 31, 2005 7:19 PM

Wang Jie said:

For me here in Shanghai, Mondays is usually available to me on Tuesday (GMT+8).

I like to hear what you *STUPID AMERICANS* have done last week. :) I like Americans cause you're much better than those Japanese I work for. They have no sense of humor at all, boring...

Hey Carl, maybe you can outsource some work to Shanghai, to me, so I can get rid of those boring Japanese. :D

# July 31, 2005 11:42 PM

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# August 1, 2005 2:50 PM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Okay.

I'm dying to know.

Who's the face behind the mask of Schmeckle?

# August 1, 2005 9:47 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Okay so in the cartoon, I see Richard on the left of the bus, Geoff at the top doing Bhangra. Who is driving the bus?

lookin' fwd to it :)

# August 3, 2005 12:02 AM

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Can you fix this?
<DIV ALIGN="right">

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# August 3, 2005 9:23 AM

Carl said:

That's not a bug. :-)

# August 3, 2005 9:34 AM

Paul said:

Hopefully you don't run into any issues with transportation. It looks like your schedule doesn't leave any room for unanticipated events (Road detours, Geoff's groupies refusing to leave the RV, having enough room in the RV for Geoff's hair, overloaded with furballs from Geoff's hairbrush which would weigh down the RV and reduce the fuel efficiency of your vehicle there by causing you to take more refueling breaks).

Are their contingencies (like possibly giving Geoff a haircut before heading out on this long journey)?

Geoff, I am just kidding.... I am just envious.

# August 3, 2005 2:57 PM

Carl said:

Geoff's hair is actually the power source for the RV. So, he'll have to keep his head in the power generator while we're driving. He'll only be able to edit at night, unfortunately.

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kinda looks like the Fab 3!
the picture -- kinda looks like you guys are the beatles Kool!

# August 5, 2005 12:53 AM

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'Just do it!' he seems to cry. 'Come on world! What are you waiting for!' the picture seems to say.

I might just be reading more into it than the original artist intended, though.

# August 6, 2005 2:47 PM

Rory said:

More swearing, please.

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Rory said:

Sahil -

"Okay so in the cartoon, I see Richard on the left of the bus, Geoff at the top doing Bhangra. Who is driving the bus?"

If you look closely, you can actually see that Carl's square-headed penis is holding the steering wheel.

I don't know if that answers your question, but for me, this whole road trip thing just got really creepy.

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Randy said:

Great Mondays last night. You mentioned something about subscribers though - have you guys actually started a subscription program?

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We're ramping up. This week or next week.

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# August 20, 2005 1:51 PM

M. Keith Warren said:

Carl,

Wow, great writeup.

AS per the Kelo case; I think it illustrates the runaway power of the judiciary in this country. Something like 95% of people think the decision is wrong but what recourse do we have?

I cannot believe that the President did not come out that day and propose a constitutional ammendment defining the right of eminent domain and defining what "public use" is; it would have been the fastest ammendment passage in out history.

But there is hope, there were after all 4 justices who dissented.

# August 20, 2005 2:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> The decision involves the ability of local governments to take property for local economic development <

Yes. Absolutely correct. The federal govt has given that power to local governments. Sorry to hear you've been involved directly in this issue.

I used to think it was a complex issue. Cities that want to bounce back after being economically abandonded for so long do need to find a way to raise tax revenue, but allowing city governments to force you out of your house for another Lowes or Home depot doesn't do anything constructive. These companies dont operate in the town. All the money flows to some big corp in another state.

The precedent has been set, and now you're gonna see some cray shit all over the US.

# August 20, 2005 2:16 PM

Eric Williams said:

Politics aside, what is this gadget in your car? Got any specifics?

# August 20, 2005 3:19 PM

Carl Franklin said:

http://www.omnifimedia.com/home/

# August 20, 2005 3:32 PM

Wallym said:

Sorry, I did not mean to thread-jack. Congrats on being mentioned in the local news. :-)

# August 20, 2005 6:50 PM

Carl said:

No worries, wally.

# August 20, 2005 7:43 PM

Dank said:

Hey man great article, congratulations. I just find it funny that you have any faith at all left in the govt that you are actually suprised / bothered by it. Keep up the great work, catching up on DNR and looking forward to coming back down once in a while when things get settled.

# August 20, 2005 10:33 PM

NJ John said:

Excellent story, Carl. Some well deserved recognition, congrats!

Let us know if people start pointing to you on the streets of New London, shouting "Hey! There's that pwod-castrating guy that was in the paper!"

# August 20, 2005 11:33 PM

NJ John said:

Heey, check it out! For the mere pittance of $25, you can purchase a 8x11 photo of Carl straight from the The Day website!

http://www.theday.com/eng/web/store/itm.aspx?re=06605270-04da-4fda-a3c4-6d020cd2895d&itm=pho

Bring it to a stop on the DNR Road Trip, and Carl just might sign it for ya!

*ahem* ... Notice the "aspx" extension on The Day's pages? Excellent. You worked them over good, Carl. :-)

# August 20, 2005 11:38 PM

Carl said:

As a matter of fact, I did train them in .NET. The manager wouldn't pay for training so I let the programmers in the class for free.

# August 21, 2005 12:17 AM

Mike Clark said:

Nice article, Carl! But it is really annoying to have to sign up for ONE MORE bloodsucking newspaper online registration just so I could read what I already knew.

Oh well.

# August 22, 2005 1:54 PM

Paul S said:

I agree with Mike, too many damn registrations. Nice article and picture Carl.

# August 23, 2005 11:50 AM

JasonF said:

bugmenot.com helps get by the registration.

What's with the description on the newspaper's "Buy Carl's Headshot for $25" page that says "BUZZFRANKLIN"???

http://jasonf-blog.blogspot.com/2005/08/family-resemblance.html

# August 25, 2005 9:01 PM

Paul S said:

Great advice Jason. I will have to bookmark www.bugmenot.com from now on.

# August 26, 2005 7:17 AM

Wang said:

It sounds stupid when you laugh at the 福岡 city. Phew... stupid VB writing American countryman. More stupid laughter next time!

# August 26, 2005 9:47 AM

Collin said:

I can't count the number of times antivirus programs doubling as a software firewall has been the hidden source of my pain.

Some day we will live in a world where the only software that gets installed is what we actually WANT to have installed! It's a shame that Spybot missed this one, I have always had great faith in Patrick Kolla and his trusty volunteers to keep SpyBot on wooping spyware. Do you have any information that might help them update their software to catch this spyware?

# August 27, 2005 3:59 AM

Carl said:

> Do you have any information that might help them update their software to catch this spyware?

It's pretty much all here in this post.

# August 27, 2005 4:03 AM

Eugene said:

I had the same problem, also ran all those anti-spyware programs and it also did not work. Thanks for sharing the solution.

# August 27, 2005 3:20 PM

NJ John said:

Awesome Carl, I wish I could go. Nintendogs is all my 7-year old daughter can talk about since she saw a commercial for it. I have a feeling that Santa had better listen up!

# August 27, 2005 5:32 PM

Francisco Lopez said:

Information assymetry; that's what justifies IT's outrageous - not mine - salaries.

Imo, it is the base for successful capitalism.

Still, I do not like when the plumber tells me is going to be $150 just for the privilege of having in over.

# August 29, 2005 4:43 PM

Anonymouse said:

That's why I use Firefox now.

# August 29, 2005 7:43 PM

Anon(R) said:

Great post and thanks for sharing the solution and tools used therein. Does the Genius have a blog too ;) ?

This brings up a thought I've had after viewing Grok Talks, listening to every episode of DNR/Mondays, and subscribing to Hanselman's blog among others. With all the experience that you have along with the information that you get from your guests in your inevitable final question to them, please post a page off of DNR listing these great tools (maybe categorized (sys, admin, dev, etc) or maybe not; your call).

Possibly WIKI style to allow your loyal listeners submit tools that we've found invaluable to our everyday functions.

After listening to Palermo's interview, i finally started using SlickRun [I hesitated just a little after watching the 10tools-10minutes grok talk] but your last interview sealed it. BTW, creating a paramertized SlickRun MagicWord is great to help keep up with Richard during Toy Boy as the Shrinkster URLs are flying.

Many thanks!

# August 30, 2005 3:16 PM

Mark Mehelis said:

Carl -

Were you running as an Admin again?

RunAs is a great tool - saves a lot of repetative head whacking into a brick wall (and doesn't leave a mark, mostly).

# August 30, 2005 5:13 PM

Brook said:

They need a website.

# August 31, 2005 7:33 AM

Carl said:

We're still waiting for a link somewhere. I'll let you know when it turns up.

# August 31, 2005 3:32 PM

Walter said:

Great! Thanks for the update.

Also, great job on the podcast and the music you made is cute and very Nintendo :)

# August 31, 2005 3:34 PM

Carl said:

Thanks! Have you seen the game? It's pretty addictive. My wife has now been brainwashed as well. It's like living with zombies!!! lol, not really.

# August 31, 2005 3:38 PM

Walter said:

Yes sir, I've witnessed the wife-brainwashing properties of the game too! We've been playing non-stop for the past several days since we got it and actually we're going to do review it on our K9Cast dog podcast :)

# August 31, 2005 3:44 PM

Walter said:

doh, typo- I meant "we're going to review it" :)

# August 31, 2005 3:49 PM

Carl Franklin said:

http://weblogs.asp.net/cfranklin/archive/2005/08/30/424086.aspx

# September 1, 2005 2:49 PM

Wallym said:

Congrats on the Nintendo gig

# September 3, 2005 4:47 PM

Denny said:

web site seems a bit wrong....

looks like the 9/5 show is still on the main page and the 9/10 show is missing some links??

guess you guys are at the PDC now and won't have time to check it out...

# September 12, 2005 1:04 PM

KIMBERLY KIM POLANCO said:

HI MY NAME IS KIMBERLY I AM 9 YEALS OLD EN I
WHANT TO TELL YO SOMTIG, IS WHERE I CANT FINT
THE NINTENDO DOG

# September 12, 2005 6:24 PM

nicolaz said:

me gutaria tener un nintendo dog hi buterfull

# September 13, 2005 9:23 PM

fff said:

nnn

# September 14, 2005 8:06 PM

Cutie Pie said:

Hey there kimberly you sound like a sweet girl but please dont use caps :P

# September 16, 2005 10:14 AM

Randy said:

What's this "We'll see you in merry old England in November" bit? No Mondays until after the road trip?

# September 26, 2005 11:35 AM

Jon Galloway said:

Thanks. I've been using the BT feeds, but the podcatchers seem to choke on them sometimes.

Two questions -
1) Any reason the BT feeds need to be one item only? They shouldn't require any extra bandwidth on your side, and would be really convenient when I miss a few shows and need to catch up.

2) Have you looked into Coralizing your media links? It's a great system that's worked well for me over the past year - kind of a free community "akamai lite". Incredibly easy to use - instead of http://perseus.franklins.net/dotnetrocks_0132_vb_team.mp3 you use http://perseus.franklins.net.nyud.net:8090/dotnetrocks_0132_vb_team.mp3. Try the link - it works without having to configure anything. The first time it's accessed, Coral sees you're asking for new content and copies it out to all its local cache servers. The next time it's requested, it's streamed from the nearest cache server. Faster for the end user and no bandwidth hit for you. I think they do some HTTP magic (a HEAD request or GET with an ETAG or something) so your logs still show the download.

You can Coralize any link by tacking .nyud.net:8090 at the end of the domain.

Thanks for such a great show.

- Jon

# September 26, 2005 10:34 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I did an experiment with this and I only got ONE hit in my log, which was from the coral network. So, there is apparently no baked in way to know how many hits you're getting. The coralcdn.org site didn't offer a way to get download reports, unless it's buried somewhere and I missed it.

Still, it's cool. But, without logging, we're basically incapable of getting advertisers, which pays the bills.

# September 27, 2005 1:20 AM

Branden said:

BTW Mondays isn't listed in the iTunes music store, and they don't detect changes in the feed well, so you may have to fix your iTunes music store entries if you have one.

Same with .Net Rocks, I had to resubscribe to the feed to get last week's episode.

Thanks,

Branden

# October 3, 2005 10:37 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I am not impressed with iTunes podcast support. I've noticed the same problem. As for getting into the library, we're not in their database anymore and it's been impossible to back get in there. From what I've heard they could care less about changes to their list, and are not responsive with suggestions. I'll keep trying though.

# October 3, 2005 5:46 PM

Dan said:

Carl,

The Miguel Castro show stops at 1:00:16 in the middle of the style conversation...Is this a mistake?

Thanks,
Dan

# October 4, 2005 8:27 AM

NJ John said:

Can't wait to hear the show. Miguel has given a talk or two at our local user group (shameless plug: http://www.n3ug.org/), and is always very informative.

# October 4, 2005 10:43 AM

Bil Simser said:

For those of us not willing to give up 7 minutes of our lives, the bombshell would be?

# October 4, 2005 6:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sorry, you don't get off that easily.

# October 4, 2005 6:50 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It should be noted that this is a joke. As in, not real.

# October 4, 2005 7:01 PM

Scott said:

If it was anything important, Robert would have already blogged it.

# October 4, 2005 7:01 PM

Matt said:

I just wanted to confirm Dan's findings. I manually downloaded the MP3 version and had exactly the same problem.

It had been a good show up till then!

Keep up the good work

Matt

# October 5, 2005 6:03 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It was just the mp3 full version that was messed up. As soon as I heard about it yesterday I regenerated the mp3. It's fine now.

# October 5, 2005 10:59 AM

Bil Simser said:

Okay, I submitted to the mp3 overlord and listened. Cheap trick to get some traffic eh Carl? Listenership down in the show or something ;)

P.S. I want my 7 minutes of my life back now please.

# October 5, 2005 11:32 AM

Eric B said:

This was an awesome show. One that I will listen to over and over. I just had to tell you that i love this type of show

# October 5, 2005 12:13 PM

Freelance Programmer said:

Very cool Carl. Looking forward to catching you guys in ATL. Be safe.

# October 6, 2005 8:11 AM

Joel Martinez said:

Wow! that is really cool!!! can't wait till you get to Orlando :-)

# October 6, 2005 9:58 AM

Jon Galloway said:

Sorry the Coral didn't work out. I understand that bills must be paid and sponsors need to know what they're getting for their money.

Is it possible to make the BT feed cover the previous 10 or so feeds? The BT downloads shouldn't affect your bandwidth much (just tracker traffic), and a catch-up feed sure is convenient.

# October 6, 2005 1:37 PM

Randy said:

So... he's going to be giving strategies for dealing with himself? :)

# October 7, 2005 2:34 PM

NJ John said:

Holy cripes Carl, you weren't kidding about listening at a slower speed. Miguel is a firehose of information. Lots of "what-what-WHAT?" rewind experiences. Great show!

Like the Fritz Onion episode, I'm sure I'll listen to this one at least a dozen times.

And now, onto the new Mark Miller episode for some relative calm. (yeah riiiight...)

# October 10, 2005 11:05 AM

Paul S said:

Wow, that RV must be really tall. :) Is that out of the training room window?

# October 10, 2005 2:08 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah. It was looking out my window. We're heading out to Waltham tomorrow night. Currently prepping.

# October 10, 2005 4:48 PM

Justin said:

I thought this session was going to be on debugging and a bit more code based tips on how to maximise your effort.

Don't get me wrong it was a great thoughtful episode, but felt the content changed from what was originally said.

# October 10, 2005 5:59 PM

Freelance Programmer said:

Sounds like a blast. When will your first roadtrip show be available for downloading? Be safe.

# October 11, 2005 10:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Thursday, we hope. :-)

# October 11, 2005 10:42 AM

Jim Bonnie said:

Carl,

You have a driver! I was hoping to see you and Richard taking turns behind the wheel...

Looking forward to Friday in NYC and Saturday at the NJ Code Camp.

I have a dotnetnuke and virtual earth integration session.

Will be cool to follow you on Dr Neil's site also!!!

No speeding now.

Jim - www.walkspoiled.com

# October 11, 2005 12:18 PM

NJ John said:

Just remember the age-old golden rule of rock bands and roadies:

NEVER *EVER* GO "NUMBER TWO" IN THE TOUR BUS BATHROOM!

Have a blast, guys. See you in Jersey on Saturday.

# October 11, 2005 12:32 PM

Glen said:

Hey, Carl.

I dropped the ball here by not getting you the info on this appplication after I mentioned it to you at PDC but it looks like you're all set now.

Enjoy the ride!

-Glen

# October 11, 2005 12:35 PM

SBC said:

CF & Crew:

See you soon - http://www.ctdotnet.com/Default.aspx?tabid=91

Safe Driving..
SB

# October 11, 2005 4:44 PM

Dax Pandhi said:

Thank you for not mentioning options d), e), and f) ;)

# October 12, 2005 10:32 AM

Jim Bonnie said:

Carl - looked liked a rough morning from the Holiday Inn WEBCAM Photo - Good luck with the first event

# October 12, 2005 8:31 PM

Paul S said:

How about some pictures of the inside of the RV?

Get Geoff to work and have him hold a camera so you have footage for the next .NET Rocks movie! Although he complained in the one task you asked him to do.... slacker!!

Have a safe trip.

# October 13, 2005 8:37 AM

Paul S said:

I put a small video together of pictures that were grabbed from the web cam.

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3457203

# October 13, 2005 8:55 AM

Paul Schaeflein said:

How about an RSS feed for the pics? Or Flickr?

# October 13, 2005 9:57 AM

Paul S said:

There are too many pictures for Flickr (6 pics at a time takes too long when there are over 100 pics), but my site at TextAmerica does have a RSS feed.

# October 13, 2005 10:05 AM

Paul S said:

Okay, I found a Flickr upload tool.

The individual pics are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/76842031@N00/

The RSS 2.0 Feed is here:

http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?id=76842031@N00&format=rss_200

Have Fun.

# October 13, 2005 10:27 AM

Paul S said:

I think this show is important and I believe we can learn a ton from Mark, however I feel the show was jumping around too much and didn't have much in the form of continuity. I would stick with Technology examples and stay away from religious examples.

I'd like to hear more from Mark on his views of Architecture, approaches, patterns, timelines and project deadlines.

# October 13, 2005 11:53 AM

Bull said:

Make a World Wind Plugin to display the data, should be easy for you .NET gurus

# October 13, 2005 1:55 PM

Paul S said:

Video of Day 2 is up at:

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3459772

# October 13, 2005 5:44 PM

James said:

Come on! Get out of the right lane!

# October 13, 2005 9:05 PM

Samboy LIms said:

Who is the RV driver, just curious to know?

# October 14, 2005 3:44 AM

SBC said:

We had a blast!!

Thanks for putting me on your show -
http://weblogs.asp.net/sbchatterjee/archive/2005/10/14/427469.aspx

I'll update the CTDOTNET website soon with more pictures (www.ctdotnet.org)..

Safe Driving..
SB

# October 14, 2005 6:46 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Driver's name is Tom. Not a developer. Just an IT guy who works at a company near me.

# October 14, 2005 8:39 AM

Paul S said:

Day 2 has changed to

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3463694

# October 14, 2005 9:29 AM

James Curran said:

umm... Did you notice that the Edison stop isn't on you map????

# October 14, 2005 10:17 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Is now.

# October 14, 2005 11:53 AM

Stacy (Richards' wife) said:

So thats where you are going!

# October 14, 2005 1:04 PM

dank said:

Thanks Carl! sweet, go easy on her.

# October 14, 2005 2:48 PM

Tim said:

"Passenger Seat" was particularly breathtaking.

# October 14, 2005 3:49 PM

Paul S said:

I thought "The Driver" had similar features to the pictures my 4 year old takes with my digital camera. :)

# October 14, 2005 7:25 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

That makes it look as if you're actually working. Who says cameras don't lie?

# October 14, 2005 10:12 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

That's a serous RV! Good thing it's a boat, considering the rain that's happening. Have you considered renaming it the ark?

# October 14, 2005 10:15 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Soooo ... an anonymous driver. Got him from the witness protection program, did you? Of course my favourite is "working" - love that glazed look. <g>

# October 14, 2005 10:18 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, I was bored. Better pictures coming up.

# October 15, 2005 12:58 AM

Chris Martin said:

Shit yeah man. The best times of my life were travelling across the USA. Mine were different reasons but very similar also.

Many safe journeys!!!

# October 15, 2005 5:23 AM

Paul S said:

Day 3 video...

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3469775

# October 15, 2005 9:28 AM

Laurie Campbell said:

Great group shot. Hope the flooding in New Jersey doesn't affect your plans

# October 15, 2005 1:35 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Why are you writing messages before 5 o'clock in the morning? That's just wrong!

Great boat!

# October 16, 2005 2:44 PM

Paul S said:

Video of Day 4:

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3477446

# October 16, 2005 3:36 PM

Pete Muller said:

To Gustavo (sp?), the guy using Delphi 4 - dude, my condolences. I rolled out too many apps using that nasty, nasty IDE. Later incarnations are much better (5 and 6 are rock-stable), but D4... man, that put hairs on your chest :}

Kudos, Gustavo - you have earned my respect :)

# October 17, 2005 6:33 AM

Jason Gaylord said:

Wish I could have stayed around after my morning presentations for your live .NET Rocks event. It was definately a good time at the NJ Code Camp.

# October 17, 2005 9:25 AM

Paul S said:

Video of Day 5:

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3482689

# October 17, 2005 9:41 AM

Scott Frye said:

Hey Carl,

I like the videos...but lets see more pictures/videos of the people at the Code Camps. I want to see my fellow developers!

# October 17, 2005 12:39 PM

SBC said:

Some of the pictures from the Hartford (Farmington CT) event are here -
http://www.ctdotnet.com/Default.aspx?tabid=159

Thanks for visiting us!

# October 17, 2005 12:53 PM

Paul S said:

Day 6
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3489597

# October 18, 2005 9:17 AM

Steve Majewski said:

"Targeting systems activated. Tracking target. Permission to proceed?"

"Negative. Miller is not with them. Abort mission. Repeat. Abort mission."

# October 18, 2005 2:01 PM

Paul S said:

Ummmm..... Wow.

# October 18, 2005 3:39 PM

Jim Bonnie said:

Carl,

Those microphone's are scary big - no wonder you need the biggest rv known to man for the gear.

Looking forward to Monday's from the road...

# October 18, 2005 11:05 PM

Alan Chaess said:

Hey Carl!

Sorry I didn't make it down to the city. I didn't get home until 8:30pm.

Yeah we have pretty good falafel's around here.

The diner we went too, is the Astoria diner in East Norriton / Blue Bell area.

I'm glad the group could stop and podcast together. I think it's one of the best podcasts we've done to date.

Thinking of that... the podcast for this week should be up, in an hour, in case anyone wants to hear it! (www.otakugeneration.net)

Thanks again for hanging out with us on Sunday. If you ever make it out this way again, give us a call!

Okay... sleep and such. Darnit, now I want a falafel sandwich! =)

# October 19, 2005 12:30 AM

Ohad Israeli said:

The best Falafel I know is in Haifa, Israel. You are more then welcome to pay us a visit and I’ll take you there.

# October 19, 2005 2:31 AM

Denny -- in St. Pete -- FL said:

Heck just another hurricane.... I think now we just live in one big storm down here....

makes me think of the movie "the Day after tomorow"
http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/
the warm version .... :--)

really thoug if it goes accross south FL the way I saw it should not be too bad.

but if it heads more north... near me in Tampa Bay / St. Pete then we do have a big *BIG* problem as the Tampa bay has a lot of folks who would evac in the direction of Orlando in that case.

# October 19, 2005 11:52 AM

Jim Bonnie said:

Carl,

Just listened to the NYC show.
That rant was hilarious!
It sounded like the same guy from the Crashing Mac rant.

Keep rocking.

Jim

# October 19, 2005 1:14 PM

Paul S said:

You're going the wrong way!! Turn back!!

# October 19, 2005 2:57 PM

Peter said:

Still one of my favourite bits. I've tried it with Rudolph as well, great Christmas fun.

# October 19, 2005 4:49 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Loved the shot of Richard talking toys. He looks as if he's having entirely too much fun

# October 19, 2005 5:56 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Still doesn't show that you were in New York, though

# October 19, 2005 6:03 PM

Justni said:

Has you about 30 miles from getting to Raleigh 2 hours after the event, so hasn't updated in half a day.

# October 19, 2005 11:33 PM

Jim Bonnie said:

Pretty cool how it loads and is now tracking you in real time.

Virtual Earth is sweet, even if javascript is bear! I did a Code Camp presentation showing integration with dotnetnuke. Tips and ticks will be posted soon.
http://www.walkspoiled.com/DotnetNukeandVirtualEarth/DNNandVEIntegration/tabid/166/Default.aspx

# October 20, 2005 7:01 AM

Paul S said:

Okay, finally caught up. Since I am doing this on a laptop without Premiere Pro, I've been using Movie Maker 2, which doesn't like a large number of pictures. So I've been breaking them up into smaller parts for that reason and because TextAmerica limits the size to 25MB.

Day 7
Part 1
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3497060
Part 2
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3497139
Part 3
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3497243
Part 4
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3497496

Day 8
Part 1
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3498239
Part 2
http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3502839

# October 20, 2005 8:49 AM

Mark Polino said:

Wuss. I can't believe you guys are cancelling the Orlando leg of the road trip because of a little, category 5 hurricane. It's gonna hit a couple hundred miles from Orlando. If you guys are that afraid of a little water and wind, may you should change the show name from DotNetRocks to GotWetSocks. I just finished rebuilding my fence from Charlie and my new roof from Jeanne is about 5 months old but I'm not worried about Wilma.

Geez, you would think you guys are Java developers or something if your so afraid of a new experience. Maybe you should consider Linux development in the future. Those guys are always wetting their pants over something. Besides, we count on tax revenue from yankee, black socks and sandals wearing, RV driving, liberal, Canadian, draft dodging, Mickey Mouse worshiping, tourist wannabees like you guys.

How are you guys going to be ready for the perfect storm of dev tools (VS 2005, SQL 2005 and Vista) if you're afraid of a little hurricane named after Fred Flinstone's wife? Where's Mark Miller when you need him?

But hey, since you're all a bunch of panty wasted, fetal positioned, thumb sucking, bed wetters, how about sending me all the good stuff you were going to give away?

I'll make sure it all goes to deserving geeks. After all, when there is no electricity, no water and no roof, nothing cheers up a geek like new Windows Smartphone. You can use it to call for help, send text messages for help since the cell phone lines are overwhelmed, take photos for insurance and pass the time waiting for that rescue helicopter by listening to .NetRocks on Windows Media Player 10. So how about it? Hook me up, or are you afraid of that too?

Mark Polino
mark@mpolino.com

# October 20, 2005 9:40 AM

Jason F said:

Little disappointing, with all of those data points, how long it takes to draw the path when you zoom in. Or maybe it's adding the pincushions the whole time, but you can only see them being added upon zoom.

I realize that this is probably a limitation of the API (i.e., the method to add one point must round-trip to the mapping server, and must occur for each point). And, I also realize that one goal of collecting your location data is to get a lot of real data into the system so that it can be optimized.

-JasonF (41.50486, -83.728978, 10/20/2005 09:47)

# October 20, 2005 9:47 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> Still doesn't show that you were in New York, though

Because it didn't exist until Baltimore. :-)

# October 20, 2005 10:25 AM

Scott Frye said:

I think the REAL problem is you can't tell which leg is the latest....it looks like youf heading soung on 95 AND north and east on 267 at the SAME time...

Oh!!! I get it...thats to confuse the stalkers!

# October 20, 2005 12:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yep. Dr. Neil is going to make some changes on the weekend, including that one.

# October 20, 2005 12:26 PM

Waiting Patiently said:

What the.... you give him one job to do and he can't do it?? Take the skirt off and step up to the plate and get the show out on time Geoffro!!

# October 20, 2005 12:57 PM

Paul S said:

Funny stuff

# October 20, 2005 1:07 PM

Jason said:

Perhaps his hair can lend him a helping hand... That's almost a separate person in of itself! ;D

# October 20, 2005 1:41 PM

Sahil Malik said:

You guys deserve a rest!!

# October 20, 2005 1:55 PM

kory said:

When will "Mondays" be up?

# October 20, 2005 2:37 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Monday at the latest. Hopefully before then. :-)

# October 20, 2005 2:44 PM

G. Andrew Duthie said:

Thanks for the heads up...I was looking for it to add to my blog. Now I can stop hitting F5. :-)

# October 20, 2005 5:19 PM

Bill said:

No, that rant was just a waaaaaaay-too frustrated Linux user.

I actually really used to like Linux (a lot) -- right up until we had to start supporting it in a widely-distributed production environment where we didn't want to have to change our environment just because someone somewhere decided to move things around or drop support for something because ... uh, I guess they just lost interested. Or they upgraded their own hardware or software so the old drivers or old files meant nothing to them anymore. (Or is there really a secret contest among the Linux developers to see who can break more applications with each new upgrade?)

Once we finally move completely off this platform I'll be able to start blogging about all our "experiences"; unfortunately, until then, I can't. But the stories I can tell! (Pulled out all my d*mn hair over this stuff, so I have to at least make up for that!)

One thing we finally realized about Linux though: we're not big enough to be a great Linux shop, but we're big enough that we no longer need to try to be.

- Bill

# October 20, 2005 8:03 PM

Paul S said:

On the way to Raleigh...

http://phstur.textamerica.com/?r=3509466

# October 21, 2005 9:16 AM

Jason F said:

And I've been trying to keep up with indexing all of Paul's videos at:

http://jasonf-blog.blogspot.com/2005/10/net-rocks-roadtrip-webcam-videos.html

# October 21, 2005 9:27 AM

Paul S said:

Sweet, two stalkers. :)

# October 21, 2005 10:44 AM

Carl Franklin said:

*sigh* that's what you get for doing this crazy shit

# October 21, 2005 11:10 AM

Paul S said:

Come on Carl, where would the Beatles have been without all those crazed fans? :)

# October 21, 2005 11:16 AM

Tim said:

Other than the bug in it this morning when I couldn't launch a task, I like it. As far as training goes, the tasks they picked for DNR are so trivial I couldn't say. However, I would use it for testing new hires, i.e., if they didn't get 90-100% of the points I wouldn't hire them.

# October 21, 2005 12:51 PM

Josh said:

I've looked at some of their demos, and I personally think it's a great way to learn. They've done a good job in creating an interactive learning experience with just enough feedback/help. It's approximately the same price as formal training, but it's more flexible.

# October 21, 2005 12:52 PM

Randy said:

Liverpool

# October 21, 2005 1:49 PM

Andy said:

Found it very difficult on my first visit to their website to actually figure out what the H*ll they were doing/selling/trying-to-promote.

some improvements in that area is necessary.

# October 22, 2005 5:19 PM

SBC said:

Looks like the Jimmy Page's version of 'Clementine'...

:-)

Drive Safe.
SB

# October 22, 2005 8:20 PM

Mark Polino said:

It was a beautiful day here in Orlando and there ended up being enough time for the DotNetRocks event with time left over to get out of the state. But the event was still cancelled so we went and brought dinner to the folks at the local Ronald McDonald house instead. They thank you for cancelling the event.

The irony of my admittedly smarmy post (Hey you asked for flames a while ago but takes time to build really creative ones.) is that now Wilma has jogged a little and may get closer to us in Orlando. We're expecting tropical storm force winds near my house and hurricane force winds by my office. The true beauty of irony is that Wilma is then expected to move up the coast and be a tropical storm off of Connecticut (Carl's home)in a few days.

Take care guys I'll keep blogging as long as the cell phone network holds up.

Mark
mark@mpolino.com

# October 22, 2005 11:25 PM

rx said:

disturbing

# October 23, 2005 7:15 AM

dsuspense said:

What kind of axe is that?

# October 23, 2005 8:29 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It's a cheap guitar I picked up for travelling. I took my Les Paul out once and wasn't happy about it. So, it's going to stay home from now on.

# October 23, 2005 10:01 AM

Jason F said:

Well, clearly the dinner with ribs is NOT the same as the combo....

When in Rome (and Cummings, apparently)....

# October 23, 2005 12:47 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Obviously ribs with chicken is a whole nuther thing from chicken with ribs.

did you ever tell the ditz on the desk where you found a laundromat?

# October 23, 2005 1:55 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Heh.. no. Why contribute to the education of a grown adult who doesn't care if they're ignorant?

# October 23, 2005 2:12 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

Becuse it tortures them?

# October 23, 2005 3:07 PM

Paul S said:

FYI: I've stopped stalking Carl and the gang. Apparently Massachusetts courts categorize this type of activity as offensive and against the law. So I am no longer going to post videos.

Okay... I just found better use of my extra time. :) Have fun guys.

# October 24, 2005 9:42 AM

Jim Wooley said:

At least you got a chance to eat something other than pizza for a change. BTW, Georgia BBQ is pork, not chicken. Make sure to try the beef BBQ in Texas and whatever fancy-dancy shell fish/Oysters they're BBQing in California these days. Too bad you missed the North Carolina vinegar based Q though.

It was great to meet you guys while you were here. Have a safe trip as you go west.

# October 24, 2005 9:49 AM

Colin Barnhorst said:

How come #142, Raleigh, cuts off abruptly?

# October 24, 2005 4:08 PM

Colin Barnhorst said:

Ah, but think of the war stories you will have for future dotnetrocks shows!

# October 24, 2005 7:24 PM

Todd Stewart said:

I am getting a download error from Azureus when using mp3 torrent.

# October 25, 2005 1:41 PM

Jason F said:

Happy 400th blog post!

# October 25, 2005 3:35 PM

Rui Santos said:

I am getting a download error fro IE when using WMA Part B.

# October 25, 2005 4:23 PM

Rui Santos said:

No error anymore. Thanks

# October 25, 2005 4:29 PM

Laurie Campbell said:

LOL

Wish I could have seen the looks on their faces!!

# October 25, 2005 5:02 PM

Randy said:

No Karen? That's a shame.

# October 27, 2005 1:22 PM

Jim Bonnie said:

Carl,

I was hoping to hear Billy Hollis update us on the latest features of windas.

Great interviews - keep the bus a rolling!!!

# October 27, 2005 9:43 PM

Don Avery said:

Is Geoff going to get a vacation when this is done?????

# October 28, 2005 6:57 PM

Omar Villarreal said:

Hey! Was I the only one with a beer?? (see my pic.)

Hope your trip is going well!

# October 30, 2005 11:00 PM

Hank said:

Thanks for coming out guys, it was a great evening!

# October 31, 2005 7:22 AM

JimC said:

I checked it out. Very cool, I like the Polymorphic Podcast, Craig is a good guy. I think he works for Paul Shariff at pdsa. Not quite a DNR, but good content. Anyway, the spot rocked, Carl you make a pretty good guest......

# October 31, 2005 1:00 PM

Luis Vazquez said:

I got witnesses now.. yall have to come to louisiana! hehehee

Have fun, as I know you will.

If your reading this and you are in one of the towns that the DotNetRocks road show is going to , or near,,,hehehe , you have to go!

DotNetRocks!

# October 31, 2005 9:37 PM

Nick said:

a handsome bunch really... it's just Mark that lets the rest down...!

# November 1, 2005 4:19 AM

abi said:

cool pics

# November 2, 2005 11:41 PM

_ said:

Show 151 and Richard is still co-host?

# November 3, 2005 9:50 AM

JasonF said:

Just a reminder to folks who might not be watching the webcam 24/7:

Almost all of the road trip webcam frames are available in video format. Look for the ".NET Rocks! Roadtrip Videos" link on:

http://jasonf-blog.blogspot.com/

# November 4, 2005 7:01 AM

Charles Deisler said:

Just a comment from the show. Flash has support for remoting, web services, datasets, deltapackets, etc.. Let me know if you want to do a show on flash. We build flash enabled asp.net apps. I'd love to talk about it! Keep up the great work guys!
Charles Deisler
CEO, Radeis Interactive
cj@radeis.com

# November 4, 2005 7:58 AM

Cometbill said:

The first 1m 20 seconds is the legal information, with a very dotnetrocks feel to it.

From 2:00 to 2:22 he spends 22 seconds slagging off dotnetrocks.

It's a damn good podcast though

# November 5, 2005 3:48 PM

Rory said:

Cometbill -

"From 2:00 to 2:22 he spends 22 seconds slagging off dotnetrocks."

I was actually trying to come up with a good reason to explain why I was introducing myself and my own show :)

I figured that making fun of Geoff's enormous hairdo would take the attention off me for a second (note: this is the Bully Method).

"It's a damn good podcast though."

Thanks, yo.

# November 7, 2005 2:34 AM

Lion's Lair said:

u guys rock!

# November 7, 2005 7:23 AM

6767706f6e746940676d61696c2e636f6d said:

Hey Carl, I came across this site and since I suspect you have alot of downloads for your podcasts it could mean some sweet cash.

http://www.fruitcast.com/about/for_podcasters.php

PS: Don't forget to share the wealth :-)

# November 7, 2005 8:15 AM

Laurie Campbell said:

Well get that guest down out of the air before (s)he gets airsick!
Who threw a towel over the live cam? Nothing but black for two days now.

# November 8, 2005 8:17 AM

Kory said:

Looks like the San Diego show cut off at the end.

# November 8, 2005 4:25 PM

Jason F said:

Anyone else think that the dude from the car looks a little like Dr. Neil Roodyn? ;-)

http://www.viavirtualearth.com/vve/Content/Images/DrNeil.jpg

# November 9, 2005 2:06 PM

NJ John said:

Suggested caption for the first pic of Geoff and Miller:

JESUS VS. SATAN: THE HOLY BEACH BRAWL!

# November 9, 2005 3:19 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Heh... that's Tim Huckaby

# November 9, 2005 3:35 PM

Keith Rull said:

Ei, Carl! This is Keith, I think you spelled my name wrong! :D

Thanks for the geeking out session!

# November 10, 2005 1:09 AM

Jesse Ezell said:

damn... I wish I knew you were in town. I live about 30 minutes south of long beach.

# November 10, 2005 1:20 PM

NJ John said:

Oh...

<Emily Litella voice>

Never mind.

# November 11, 2005 11:25 AM

Rory said:

NJ John -

"Never mind."

Never mind? NEVER MIND!?

You can still run with it, my brotha':

"Jesus vs. Tim"

It almost sounds better. You'd *expect* Jesus to fight Satan, but...

...Tim?

# November 11, 2005 11:43 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Ah, two fine shows coming right up and goodies to go with it. I ran into DNR right at the beginning of the road trip, so having the frequency back to normal is going cold turkey for me. But what an introduction, what a ride :)
Hope the flight went well and it must be great to be back home again.

# November 13, 2005 4:27 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

The Del Taco drive-thru reminded me of something I wanted to do but I couldn't get my friends to go along (they were much more sane than me). We were to go through a drive-thru, 4 of us walking 2x2, and ordering food etc.

# November 13, 2005 4:37 PM

Sahil Malik said:

OH MAN !! The dude with the hat and blue infinity .. that is a classic :).

# November 13, 2005 7:29 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

It is a total killer to be in the GMT+1. Aaarrrgghh. The East Coast is now only past it's first coffee and the West Coast is just waking up. Right here my working day is coming to a screeching halt, er, regular end and I'll be off to me evening helpdesk. Please make sure it's up by 2pm EST. Please.......
So I can download, burn it and listen on the way back home.

# November 14, 2005 10:23 AM

Carl Franklin said:

OK, so we didn't have the launch show up this morning. Working on it now.

Carl

# November 14, 2005 1:55 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

That's just fine, now I'll be lying awake all night :)
Carl, take your time, we know you guys have been at it like nobody's business for weeks with this road trip, you deserve a sanity break.

# November 14, 2005 5:58 PM

SBC said:

Welcome back home to Connecticut, Carl!

# November 16, 2005 1:33 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Thanks, SB!

# November 16, 2005 1:35 PM

Juan Ignacio Gelos said:

Carl, you should code something that syncs the "Show Notification RSS Feed" automatically when you add new shows... or is it just advertising? :-)
Because I keep visiting the website checking for new episodes...

# November 16, 2005 5:20 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Hi Carl,
thanks, once again a great show, I got it somewhere on tuesday if I remember correctly but it's a bit hazy and don't even start on adjusting 'somewhere in tuesday' for timezones. You've been in four, each of those 6 to 9 hours away form mine.
When you have time to look back on the road trip, let us know what you think.

# November 17, 2005 2:58 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

I said it in the other posting and I'll say it again; that was great. You the man, Carl, kudos to Richard and everyone else helping out and appearing on the roadtrip.

btw didn't anyone ask if you were nuts when you thought up The Trip? :)

# November 17, 2005 1:04 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Ach, nee, now you've got me crying in my bourbon (I'm not much for beer).
But the UK one will be worth the wait if only to finally compare New London with Old London accents :D (or New England with Old England, as the case may be).

# November 17, 2005 1:09 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Who made the SanDiegoBeach3 picture that is with the November 8 posting. I don't know much about photography but it's beautiful. Four people together seemingly with their own thoughts. It's almost like it's composed for a CD of a band, like U2.

Just a thought that suddenly jumped in my mind.

# November 17, 2005 1:18 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I took that picture. Let's call the band "Four With No Brains"

# November 17, 2005 3:49 PM

Shane said:

Cool, where will you guys be recording mondays me and 2 friends are big fans of mondays and aren't to far away from reading, and it would be awesome to come and see you guys recording live.

# November 17, 2005 4:30 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

You know, Carl, suddenly that picture makes much more sense, and less so, at the same time.
You got me all confused now. Well, more than I already was.

# November 18, 2005 3:04 AM

Carl Franklin said:

We don't know exactly where we'll be recording Mondays yet. I'll be sure to post it.

# November 18, 2005 5:32 AM

Ian said:

What a shame you couldn't have added the UK to your road trip schedule, didn't you think the "boat" would make it across the pond?! Maybe you could swing by when Orcas releases! 'cos you'll be doing it all over again, right ;-)

Anyhow, do let us (i.e. the UK) know if you're doing a "public" taping of Mondays - I'm sure there's plenty here who'd like to buy you a beer (metaphorically or otherwise) for all you contribute to the community, and I'd add myself to that particular queue. Keep up the good work!

# November 19, 2005 3:08 PM

Lloyd said:

Hey, do you have any info on where/when recording Mondays in the UK yet?

# November 22, 2005 9:52 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Just got back from and survived Disney Paris, we all are semi-sick, forgot the keys that belong to my wife's car and my workphone..... and no mondays?
Carl, are you plotting my slow death of agony?

:D
No problem Carl, we'll hang in there, the next one will be all that sweeter (or more bitter, as it happens :D )

*dails number of therapist*

# November 23, 2005 5:10 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Ach, a show with Mark M. Zat's immer sehr schweet.

# November 23, 2005 5:12 AM

Myles said:

Damn, i was looking forward to watching the recording of the first ever UK show, oh well, maybe next time. I look forward to the next show :D

# November 23, 2005 10:03 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

I just did a count and if I'm right in the last seven weeks since the roadtrip started (I took 10/13 as the start date) you put out 19 DNR's and 2 Mondays while on the road, that's 3 shows a week. The first 3 weeks (10/13-11/2) had 16 shows.
Anyone complaining should be shot on site.
(eh, before I forget: erase all my previous posts and you can find me in Idaho... aarrggh, no, make that Minnesota)

# November 23, 2005 10:12 AM

Shane said:

I was looking forward to seeing mondays 1st ever UK show as well, i haven't had my mondays fix since October.

But hope you guys enjoyed jolly old england.

# November 23, 2005 12:01 PM

Samboy LIms said:

How about a UK road trip?

# November 23, 2005 6:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

A UK Trip would be great.

Give me a call and I'll tell you where to send the money. :-)

Seriously, I would *love* to do a UK - or even a European - road trip.

# November 23, 2005 11:28 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Hey, wait a sec, there's people on the continent, too, you know :D
And there's nothing like a Mondays in Monster (where I live, what are the odds?). Real easy to find too. It's in one of the largest greenhouse areas, so at night you can see it from the moon. Come sit in my garden on a cloudy night and you should be able to read a book (for all you young geeks: that's a printed file) by the reflection of the assimilation lights.
Disclaimer: I cannot be held responsible for any physical or mental damage during or after it. Mark should be none the worse for it but the rest of you might suffer slight damage.

# November 24, 2005 2:57 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Oops, Carl, missed that you already mentioned the continent.
But I imagine that it's a lot of organising and effort from your side. You don't just hop over for a bit.
Well, I just hope you can get it together some time.

# November 24, 2005 3:08 AM

Ian Horwill said:

Saw you at the VBUG conference and you looked whacked out man (hope that is appropriate in American English). Hope you get a good rest now and make up for being away from home for Thanksgiving.

# November 25, 2005 9:00 AM

George Gallagher said:

Guys wuld love you to come to Scotland on your UK roadtrip. (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen). Also bear in mind the VBUG group in UK as guys all over the UK you could go round visiting them.....

Cheers George Gallagher VBUG UK

# November 25, 2005 9:52 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

"Pumba, are you nuts"

Hey Carl, be sure to take it easy during the merry season. And make sure that Canadian you drag along does too. You've been at it like a man posessed.

Pity that no way I could make it to the UK or I'd been there shaking ya paw :D

Anyway, I'm downloading right now. Normally I'd use bittorrent but I'm doing an evening helpdesk right now and I want to burn it before heading home.

# November 28, 2005 1:33 PM

Phil Wong said:

Hi Carl,

I had won the ipod from you road show on 11/4 in LA. I had not hear anything from you guys yet. Can you check out for me?

Thanks in advance
Phil Wong
310.764.6739 (O)
626.731.4621 (C)
Philip.Wong@ngc.com
Phil__Wong@hotmail.com

# November 28, 2005 5:10 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

"Should have given the Code Rush guy 5 minutes to talk so he'd stop annoyingly interrupting!"

Well, as abduction and locking in a soundproof closet without the subjects consent is not within legal limits, there's basically no way to stop the Eminem of coding ;)

# November 29, 2005 10:52 AM

Jason F. said:

If you just use the Low-Fi WMA feed, you won't even notice such quality issues. ;-)

# November 29, 2005 3:31 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Does this include the Express versions as well?

# December 2, 2005 4:36 AM

Peter Obiefuna said:

I have a clean install of VS2005 on Win xp machine. I have build and successfully deployed a Windows App on multiplle machines and I did not experience any bugs. I must that it's pretty stable. I first installed the Launch (std) edition and then, middway in the project, I seamlessly upgraded to Professional (MSDN download) and it's all good and rock steady.

I think I understand your ground rules. I did install Resharper beta and it failed. Uninstalling it cured the system. NUnit works very seamlessly too from the solution explorer but I can't get to may a key to it with TestDriven .NET.

# December 2, 2005 4:40 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Erwin,

Yes, but keep in mind, having old beta versions of express products can really screw up the release version of Studio.

# December 2, 2005 8:08 AM

Tim said:

So why can't we tell stories about machines that had beta versions? Doesn't Microsoft have a responsibility to clean up thier own mess?

Tim Murphy

# December 2, 2005 9:45 AM

Cade Roux said:

Beta means never having to say you're sorry.

# December 2, 2005 10:12 AM

timh said:

i agree that beta machines should be included. go-live was provided for the tools, so that uninstall environment should be included.

# December 2, 2005 10:55 AM

Carl said:

Regarding betas,

1) We're talking about the state of the final product. The final product does not include beta software or beta removal software. In order to test the software correctly, it should be as far away from beta bits as possible.

2) Get your own show. :-)

# December 2, 2005 11:50 AM

Ethos said:

Why limit this to just XP? I'm developing on both XP and 2003 (both are clean installs). Is Microsoft realisticly expecting VS.NET 2005 to only be used on XP?

Here's my setup and a short list of my problems:

Platform:
Windows 2003, SQL2005, VS.NET2005 Pentium D 820, 2GB PCI 5400, 250GB Mirrored SATA storage.

Application:
DotNetNuke 4.0

Random compilation errors that do not show up when you build the solution, only when you run the page. Yes it says Compilation error and gives specific lines of code to look at.

UserControls lose property pane access when they have a compilation error (even though the solution successfully builds)

UserControls dissapear from intellisense when they have compilation error (see above)

Random problems with dll's after building a solution. You go to run the page and it cannot find/access/verify/etc a random dll. Recompile again and it works fine.

IDE takes way too long switching from HTML view to Design view, over 1 minute in some cases. (just opening the DNN4.0 project requires over 350mb of memory)

Most recent problem was a compilation error that only showed up when trying to run the page. It said a duplicat type was found. rebuilt, restarted the IDE, restarted the aspnet worker service, restarted the server, nothing fixed it. Had to remove a random node from the web.config file to make the page generate a different error and then put the node back in. This fixed it temporaraly.

I've got more, but all of this is happening on a fresh install of win2003, VS.NET 2005, and SQL2005.

# December 2, 2005 12:25 PM

Oliver Sturm said:

So you're trying to find out how people get by if they're working in a completely unrealistic setup of VS 2005? Hm...

Personally I haven't had any real problems with VS 2005 at all, although I do use VMWare, CodeRush, Refactor!, TestDriven and lots of the additional packages for Office and InfoPath support, things like that - and I had two different betas on the same machine before installing RTM. I don't know how much of a difference that makes to VS 2005 stability, but I don't think there's much to prove by showing that if someone didn't do all the things everybody does, he wouldn't have any problems.

# December 2, 2005 12:37 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Why the limits? Seems logical to me.
If you want to isolate the problems, you want to look at as clean a setup as possible as well as a real life setup. And this is about the former.
And after you found the clean setup problems you can use those findings to look at real life situations and try to figure out which part of the problem is VS2005, which are other factors and what are matters of interaction.
And why XP? Most people have that, less have W2K3, so that is being pragmatic, I think.

# December 2, 2005 1:53 PM

Justin Williams said:

Isn't it time Richard gets his pic put on that DNR page you just linked? It's been > 50 shows after all.

# December 2, 2005 3:24 PM

Chris Slatt said:

I've built and deployed three Smart Client Apps, a Compact Framework application and a small web application using 2005 and haven't run into any bugs or crashes yet.

Also, if you've installed Beta software on a production machine you deserve any problems you're having.

# December 2, 2005 3:54 PM

DrBytes said:

Alot of my 2005 issues all seem to relate with the old VSS driver we need to use around here.
That's the only difference between the home and work machine.

# December 4, 2005 8:54 AM

Colin Barnhorst said:

I am looking forward to dnrtv! Please keep the audio dnr too! There are lots of times I can spend some time with an audio but cannot view a webcast.

# December 4, 2005 5:46 PM

Carl said:

Absolutely. In fact, we'll be doing a lot of double-features, where the guest does an audio interview on DNR and a dnrTV show on the same topic in the same week.

Carl

# December 4, 2005 7:20 PM

rizzo said:

Sorry to dump some cold water on your plan, but I don't see dnrTV being a success. The reason dnrAudio is successful because I can dump it on my mp3 player and listen as I drive to work or walk to lunch of whatever. dnrTV will require me to actually sit down and watch it. I don't know if this is just experience, but there is so much programming work out there and so many developers have picked up after-work side gigs, that I don't know who would have the time to watch your videocasts.

That said, i wish you all the success and hope you prove me wrong.

Regards

# December 4, 2005 7:44 PM

Carl said:

Here's to proving you wrong. :-)

# December 4, 2005 8:07 PM

Phil Haselden said:

Yeah the sound was a bit off - but great show all the same. Is there any video anywhere showing the 4 guys showing off their results?

Phil

# December 5, 2005 4:28 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Yeah, prove him wrong. I'll watch, I'm doing that with Channel9 already. Why haven't you been on there, pull some strings with the Scobleizer :D

Anyway, this sound so schweet, the Carlmeister is at it again.

I so want to be a PWOP wh... er, ambassador but I'm not sure of my 384kbps upload with 10GB/month limit will do the trick.

# December 5, 2005 5:31 AM

Kim Rossey said:

dnrTV will be a great addition. I am hoping Camtasia will be used so we may follow the code. dnr - Pwop has set the standards and it is good to see the progression.

# December 5, 2005 10:34 AM

vbNullString said:

I'm totally excited! I'd love Scott doing podcast. I'll be looking forward to it!

# December 5, 2005 3:55 PM

Andrew said:

I am using VS2005 to create a large web application. Everytime I edit a CSS file, save it, edit it, save it again, the IDE process is killed.

Currently I am using textpad to edit all my CSS files, which is pretty sad.

I am using Vs2005 RTM. I did have the sql 2005 beta installed previously, but I don't see how this could affect the VS2005 CSS edit functionality.

This is the only bug I have noticed so far, but it's incredibly annoying because I often forget about it.

# December 5, 2005 9:27 PM

Jared said:

I have not had any problems with VS 2005. I haven't come up with any bugs, and everything has run just great.

# December 5, 2005 9:42 PM

Charlie said:

I haven't had any problems and I have had previous betas on my machine.

For those of you who complain that MS should cover those machines that had betas on it.... MS has always said that you should never use beta software on machines that you rely on. Why should they have to spend the time and man power on a problem that we created ourselves?

# December 6, 2005 2:15 AM

Christopher Pietschmann said:

1) Web (ASP/JavaScript)
2) Bug
3) Yes

The IDE is non-responsive for a second or two when I open a Classic ASP page. I have the .asp file extension mapped to the Web Forms Editor so it doesn't the syntax highlighting for VB and HTML/JavaScript correctly. Almost everytime I open an existing file it become non-responsive for a second or two. Sometimes it doesn't become non-responsive until I try to click on the code to edit or try to scroll. This is quite annoying. And my machine qualifies to the criteria you stated.

# December 6, 2005 5:25 PM

Todd Bagley said:

So far I've only encountered great support for obsolete namespaces in a smooth app upgrade path from .NET 1.1 to .NET 2.0. I had a looming fear of finding/fixing unsupported properties and methods, but the IDE's support has been great.

Re the clean vs beta-laden systems...duh, think "running in a responsible production environment". If having a beta in such an environment is acceptable in your shop, good luck and keep on "justifying" it.

# December 7, 2005 3:27 PM

Leddo said:

I noticed the RSS XML feed for the Full MP3 show still has an old episode on it.. That would explain why I never got the latest show downloaded...

# December 12, 2005 12:18 AM

Carl Franklin said:

You know, I saw that too. I know we have caching turned on, so I chalked it up to that. I think we missed last week's show in the mp3 rss feed. I'll look into it.

# December 12, 2005 10:53 AM

David said:

I have found VS 2005 to be quite stable. I primarily build interfaces for databases so I do not use all the avaiable controls. However the database tools have saved me many hours and work great. Connecting my business objects is simple and the Table adapters are very usefull. I have deployed three smart client apps with no problems as well as integrating with Mapforce, an XML data mapping app.

# December 12, 2005 11:05 AM

Ian said:

For some reason whenever I read ".NET Rocks! and mondays" I think of Karen Carpenter.

It may just be me (it often is) but I thought I'd mention it ;-)

# December 13, 2005 12:06 AM

DrBytes said:

Oh dammn, don't quit mondays, y'all.
Just get some new people in now and then.
Get some old (tech)geezers in and have them tell something funny. There's also nothing wrong with having a few funny tech stories.
Like richards goliath-magnet story.
Dunno what your demographic is on mondays but I bet it's dotnetrocks folk, so you may get away with funny tech talk.
Keep miller on a leash.He's funny enough though, let him revisit some of his earlier segments. Here you go; yo Miller? you Cockmuppet!
Richard def. needs some better toys, he should write something about the toy, when used or something. be bizar, canada. Richard rocks though.

ah.. dunno. Be a shame if the show got canned.
And yeh, it was crap this week :p
Best podcast though. quality is top notch. go pwop!

# December 13, 2005 9:10 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Whoever said anything about canning Mondays?

# December 13, 2005 9:42 AM

Anon(R) said:

Hey Carl,
I'm currently listing to the beginning of the Brust show and you just mentioned your planned update to the website. Would you also consider a Wiki for your site as opposed to or in conjunction with the new forums? This would allow us to see things in a view that is single place with the ability to add & extend the information presented versus searching through forum topics then diving through posts to get the crux of the discussion.

Just a thought and I'm sure there are other ways to approach this.

Love the show, many thanks to you and Richard, please keep up the great work.

# December 13, 2005 10:53 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

You know, I loved last weeks' show. Mondays is one of those things of which I take the good, the bad _and_ the ugly. Just the way you tried to keep it together, I mean try to find a show where sort of failing to be funny is hilarious. Like this (and you should here it, including what went before, to see how it is funny):
Carl (at Mark): I'll try not to laugh at your jokes" (or something to that effect)
Mark: "F*** you, Carl".
Just the way it came about and how it was said, that almost off-hand way :D

And yes, Richard saved the show :D

Keep it going, man. For quality, there's DNR, for the best BS on the net, there's Mondays.

Oh, next time, just kidnap Geoff and/or Karen :)

# December 13, 2005 1:46 PM

DrBytes said:

Oh sorry Carl, I'm dumb:
>Sounds just like the last show..*sigh*
I thought you meant : 'That's it, we quit.', but you meant that it sounds just like the last show, right, got it.

Happy you guys aren't quitting!

# December 14, 2005 6:36 AM

Joe said:

I'm just going to tell you, man. I've done everything to my PC (running XP) with the Beta except piss on it and I've never had a problem. I love VS 2005 (VB.NET, of course). If you want to limit the responses why not exclude SQL Server CTP installations (a few real problems there), VSS Beta (OMG!), 3rd party libraries (DevExpress 2005 - Suite) etc. Your show rocks but your survey lacks balls

# December 15, 2005 1:14 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> If you want to limit the responses why not exclude SQL Server CTP installations (a few real problems there), VSS Beta (OMG!), 3rd party libraries (DevExpress 2005 - Suite) etc.

We did. In fact, we're requesting no VPCs, no beta versions currently or previously installed, and no third party products. We didn't want to limit the responses, per se. We just want to filter out problems people are having because of issues with other software.

> Your show rocks but your survey lacks balls

Perhaps you could make a suggestion?

# December 15, 2005 1:19 PM

James said:

What? No live feed? Check the loopback adapter!

# December 16, 2005 6:01 PM

Carl Franklin said:

yuk yuk yuk

# December 16, 2005 6:02 PM

Me So Sad... said:

.

# December 16, 2005 6:08 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Mark under the whether and your server giving you greief? Oh, that New London accent is hard to follow ;)

Didn't you say no more DNR for this year?
DNR 156 1:20:07 "And we're gonna be off for the next couple of weeks" and "we'll see you in 2006"
Not that I mind :)

# December 17, 2005 4:34 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Oh, and take a break from podcasting for the holidays. Make Geoff cut-and-paste a best-off DNR and Mondays and sit by the tree. No more recording before January 6th and that's an order :)

# December 17, 2005 4:42 AM

Joe said:

Sorry, a buddy of mine said I was too rough on you. And, since we are now installing the production version of VS 2005 we see that MS states that all Betas should be removed first. That is good business, but my point is that VS 2005 will have to work with other software. So, let's hear about those experiences too. In other words, where are the problems? What causes them? The best defense of the product is to show that it runs well with some load - something that stresses it. And finally, I respect the fact that you didn't just remove my flame. Thanks

# December 17, 2005 9:09 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> VS 2005 will have to work with other software

That's true. But before we can tell if interacting with other software causes problems, we have to know if the product is stable by itself, no? What I'm trying to do is establish that it works in a vaccuum first, and then slowly introduce other products to see if interactions with those products are troublesome.

> I respect the fact that you didn't just remove my flame.

That's not a flame. Any one of the flames on this page run rings around your so-called flame:

http://weblogs.asp.net/cfranklin/archive/2005/07/07/418284.aspx

# December 17, 2005 1:12 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> Didn't you say no more DNR for this year?

Yeah, I lied. :-)

We decided to do another one so there'd only be 2 weeks off. Next show will be online January 9th. We'll also debut dnrTV that week, probably the 11th or 12th.

# December 17, 2005 1:15 PM

Peter Obiefuna said:

Smart trouble-shooting must consider isolation. If I want to check my TV picture problem, I first turn off the VCR and try. Carl's constraints only make common testing sense. Most testing assume a certain set of 'givens' for the collected data to be useful for much.

# December 17, 2005 8:55 PM

Jon Galloway said:

Nice!

Isn't that a bizarre sign? I understand the idea, but it's pretty demeaning. I've seen locals down in Tiajuana with that image on T-Shirts.

# December 19, 2005 2:55 AM

Tim Webster said:

That reminds me of a friend of mine that came upon a bad accident.

And as she got closer, she saw a baby's arm on the road...

Then a leg...

Then another arm...

Then a HEAD...

It turned out that it was a tractor trailer carrying a load of baby dolls.

# December 19, 2005 12:06 PM

Nathan Maffeo said:

Awesome! Just in time for my plane flight.

# December 19, 2005 1:27 PM

Jason said:

Who's the substitute intro voice?

# December 19, 2005 8:59 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Lawrence Ryan, a new engineer at Pwop.

# December 19, 2005 9:05 PM

vbNullString said:

What happened to Geoff?

# December 20, 2005 12:51 AM

Justin Stawlin said:

The photo before Mr. Franklin worked his Photoshop magic.

# December 20, 2005 6:45 AM

Justin Stawlin said:

Sorry, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/60744938@N00/75541989" >here</a>

# December 20, 2005 6:50 AM

Justin Stawlin said:

ok, forget it. Noobie out!

# December 20, 2005 6:52 AM

Carl said:

He wasn't available. He'll be back.

# December 20, 2005 9:14 AM

Ayende Rahien said:

Do you need such a box in Israel?

# December 20, 2005 5:54 PM

Gustavo Cavalcanti said:

Good lord Carl! 5 pizzas and 10 liters of soda! The caffeine might have helped him to code all night long but I'm not sure if it outweighs the time he spent taking a break to breathe and to pee. :)
Great show!

# December 20, 2005 7:23 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It was actually a single large pepperoni and 6 2-liter bottles of Mountain Dew. :-)

# December 20, 2005 8:52 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Sure. If you have bandwidth, the more spread out the better.

# December 20, 2005 8:57 PM

John Price (VBUG Midlands) said:

Exellent! I have had coderush for about 6 months now, and its brill! Only problem has been that you need to see someone use it to make the best of it (Documentation is horrible - sorry Mark!) These videos will make a big Difference. Happy Holidays Guys.

# December 21, 2005 4:58 AM

vbNullString said:

I really want to check out BTSharp, but the site has been down...

# December 21, 2005 2:49 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

This should do it (if it was the extra " I noticed)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60744938@N00/75541989

# December 24, 2005 6:53 AM

Dan Lee said:

Sweet! Another tasteful recording Carl. Feel free to share more of your musical gifts any time of year. They are much appreciated.

# December 24, 2005 7:18 AM

Denny said:

Merry X-Mas Carl and Gang...

BTW: Vista Dec CTP looks *SWEET* much better and darn cool!

# December 25, 2005 8:51 AM

Jason said:

Are any of those going to be live tapings?

# December 26, 2005 10:29 AM

vbNullString said:

Man, this is so exciting! I will be looking forward to the new contents!

# December 26, 2005 1:11 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Jason, We're still trying to work out the taping times.

# December 26, 2005 1:31 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

This is going to be great: Carl, rockstar and TV hero. Can't wait for 'Carl, the movie'.

By coincidence, January 9th will also be the first day of my software tester job, I'll be black box testing if I'm correct. But I'm so new to it that I'm still trying to get the hang of the lingo.

Ah, to be the software developers living nightmare. Shall I wear black to look extra evil? And is it ok to stand behind a developer while he's working and typing a few corrections (you know, silly stuff like a minor typo he probably already noticed) and walk away without a word?
Ach, ich am zo evil ;>

# December 26, 2005 5:12 PM

Tim Huckaby said:

Us San Diegans often gets comments about these signs when east coasters are in town.

let me tell you there is nothing more terrifying than driving 80 mph late at night on the 5 fwy when a group of people run accross the 5 right in front of you. it happens all the time.

# December 27, 2005 11:46 AM

abi said:

Wow thats cool, thanks for the link. The videos are fun to watch and explain really a lot, they should have made them 1 year ago when I started using CodeRush.

# December 27, 2005 11:03 PM

denny said:

request: software for Media Center!
what is out there and what is anyone working on?

I now Have one and want to use it to get my DNR and MSDN TV shows etc....

one place seems a dead-end (wwww.newsgator.com)
seems to say they have an MCE module but I can not see a download or any info on how to set it up -- just some screen shots to tease me!

another link led me to a download that can not edit feeds from MC, you have to go to winodws to edit feeds... sucks!
heck I'll PAY!! for the right app if it is out there!!
I could write one if I had time but right now I am too darn busy!!

# January 1, 2006 5:42 AM

Schmuckles said:

you composed jazz.mid that is so awesome

but you didn't compose canyon.mid which therefore is slightly less awesome

# January 1, 2006 10:11 AM

schmuckles said:

by the way I forgot to mention that you look uncannily like John Hughes. fyi.

# January 1, 2006 10:11 AM

Mark Freedman said:

Very cool. It's also a great marketing tool for selling CodeRush to those (like I) who haven't purchased it yet.

# January 2, 2006 8:42 PM

Mark Freedman said:

David posted this message about the site being temporarily down, along with a download link:

http://cplan.cse.msu.edu/cs/blogs/smithiscrazy/

# January 2, 2006 8:48 PM

Daniel Allen said:

The code snippets in VS 2005 look almost anemic now in comparison to CodeRush.

# January 3, 2006 3:00 AM

Jim Cheseborough said:

Very nice!

# January 4, 2006 12:32 AM

Gustavo Cavalcanti said:

Awesome! Thanks!

# January 5, 2006 3:04 AM

JasonF said:

Zut!

BTW, what's the problem with the live stream server as of late?

# January 5, 2006 7:31 PM

sc00ter said:

that sux. I was really looking forward to it. Love it when Chris is on the show and listening live..

# January 5, 2006 7:51 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Media service manager is giving me an error with no way to resolve it. It will take some time to figure out what the problem is. I tasked someone with fixing it but they didn't come through.

# January 5, 2006 8:53 PM

denny said:

Carl: about the bittorrent "ambasedor" thing;
great idea! I am not on a huge connection but I do have a static IP and good connection.
email me at denny at figuerres dot com if you think I can help. tampa fla is my location.

# January 8, 2006 10:36 AM

G- said:

hey, that looks like data shaping code. you could also run it as a query that returns a recordset as a data type.

G-
zdoggie.com
sorry, no blog!

# January 10, 2006 1:04 AM

Paul said:

Time is getting closer... have any decisions been made as far as being able to listen live?

The bare sites are up...

# January 10, 2006 5:15 PM

Carl Franklin said:

The new shows are recorded on a schedule that is organized according to the guest's available time. I don't forsee any live offerings for either Hanselminutes or dnrTV. We'll try to get DNR and Mondays live working for this week.

# January 10, 2006 5:17 PM

Carl Franklin said:

URLs:

http://www.hanselminutes.com

http://www.dnrtv.com

# January 10, 2006 5:18 PM

Paul said:

Hey Carl,
I liked HanselMinutes although I'd have to say that Scott seemed a little flat. Get excited about these cool nuggets!!

After listening to the latest Monday's and talking to Mark Miller's wife, I'd suggest changing the name of his potential podcast from MillerSeconds (a.k.a. MillaSeconds), to MillerMeter. Hehehe :) Just kidding, she said MillerSeconds was more appropriate... hahahaha

Thanks for the great new podcast with Scott and I can't wait for DNRTV!!

# January 11, 2006 1:17 PM

Paul said:

By the way, Dax is the man!

# January 11, 2006 4:21 PM

vbNullString said:

Love it! I always like Scott's talk because he introduces a lot of new things I never knew. I'm totally subscribing to the podcast!

# January 11, 2006 9:16 PM

Wallym said:

Very Nice!!!!

# January 12, 2006 8:53 AM

Paul said:

Hey Dude,
No way to pause this thing? Will download work in future episodes?

# January 12, 2006 9:09 AM

Paul said:

Nevermind... It was just the intro that I couldn't pause... :)

# January 12, 2006 9:09 AM

Paul said:

I loved Miguel's DNR episode and this one is no different. Great job.

# January 12, 2006 9:25 AM

Dave Purrington said:

I love this: it's got all the nitty-gritty, down and dirty stuff that's just not feasible in an audio DNR.

One thing you may not have thought about, but I get a lot out of, is to see how other people use the IDE. It's a great way to pick up productivity tips, so that's a nice bonus.

Excellent production guys, very professional -- kudos! Looking forward to more episodes.

# January 12, 2006 9:42 AM

rizzo said:

dnrtv.com is down

# January 12, 2006 2:47 PM

Carl said:

We'll be back up at or before 7PM Eastern

# January 12, 2006 6:03 PM

Mike Clark said:

What? You didn't think this would happen? Doh!

# January 12, 2006 8:14 PM

abhi said:

.NET

# January 12, 2006 10:32 PM

Alex Dybenko (MVP) said:

Hey, great start! looking forward to see more!

Carl, any chance to add spell checker here? <g>

# January 13, 2006 8:01 AM

Mark said:

Please make it available offline and using .wmv format. I have a fast pipe to get the content, but no connectivity when viewing. Files should be able to be played in Media Player, flash doesn't.

# January 13, 2006 12:26 PM

Jason said:

Will there be an rss feed to download the video

# January 13, 2006 7:53 PM

Jason said:

What I meant by my previous post is will there be a bittorrent feed to download the video?

# January 13, 2006 7:57 PM

Mike said:

Keep em coming. I enjoyed the content and pace of the first show. Well done.

# January 14, 2006 12:09 AM

Greg Low said:

Hi Carl,

Really liked it actually. I think it has real potential, particularly as a good place to discuss "tools".

Regards,

Greg

# January 14, 2006 12:33 AM

Jim Cheseborough said:

Loved it, but I think it might be hard to keep it that good. We'll see. I'll comment again in the future.

I like Scotts continuing comments about how he hates wasting people's time!

I love cool tools and time savers, so keep up the good work.

Jim C

# January 14, 2006 1:48 AM

Marius said:

Great Content. But please make it available offline. Thanks

# January 14, 2006 4:23 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Due to time constraints I came to halfway the first show but I feel this will be a regular show for me. And I only do that when it's has useful information for me, or is funny (yep, that's Mondays :D )
Here's my new list:
DNR
Mondays
Hanselminutes
Geeknewscentral

# January 14, 2006 4:44 AM

Ayende Rahien said:

I liked it.
Keep on the tools and the time saving tips.

# January 14, 2006 6:13 AM

Glen Germaine said:

I've been reading Scott's blog for about a year and frankly I don't know where he finds the time to 'play' with all the stuff he does.

I'm trying not to be pessimistic here, because I really loved the first Hansleminutes, (I've listened to it twice, because the first time I was on a plane with no internet connection and no pen to write down the url's!) but I agree with one of the previous posters in that it might be hard to keep the content to such a good level.

Perhaps you can intermingle a guest of Scotts choosing from time to time to discuss certain technology, and to take the pressure off the need to come up with lots of different topics every week. I'd hate to see 'burn-out' after just a few weeks.

Just one last thing... as an avid listener to DNR and Mondays, and being used to hearing and remembering and typing the 3 character Shrinkster codes, I found it hard to remember the 5 char tinyurl codes as I was listening. I ended up using the links from the Hanselminutes page during my second listen...
Carl, I know you tried to convince Scott of the benefit of Shrinkster, and he wasn't having any of it.. but man, do you think you could have another go ;-)

Cheers,

Glen

# January 14, 2006 8:28 AM

Tim K said:

I liked it, tons of good nuggets of things to try, check out, etc.

I disagree on everyone's comments about running out of info, Scott is always blogging about something useful, and I just don't see him running out of things to talk about. I DO see him talking about less things per episode, but that was his stated goal to begin with, and I agree: a 20-30 minute show would be ideal.

I would definitely not like to see guests. That format has it's benefits (which is why I have listened to all DNR episodes from the Richard and Rory eras), but that is not what Hanselminutes aims to acheive--at least if I am understanding Scott correctly.

Finally, I would agree on the Shrinkster vs TinyUrl debate, Shrinkster is easier, because you don't have to remember the domain in either case--just the code. Ultimately though, I don't write down or remember any of them--I will remember a domain name of something useful, or I will use the episode links on the site when I get to a computer.

# January 14, 2006 9:44 AM

Erebus Bat said:

I agree with Tim K, I do not think that you will have trouble with content. You could fill up twenty shows alone on interviewing. If Scott has the time I would like to see a ‘tool of the week’ type spot that he lets us know the ‘skinny’ on. I had never heard of SlickRun until I was reading Scott’s blog one day and the tool has changed the way I interact with my machine.

Keep up the good work guys!!

# January 14, 2006 12:47 PM

Josh said:

I thought that Scott did a great job and I thought that the quality of the podcast was great. I'm definitely looking forward to the next one. I agree with the "tool of the week" idea mentioned above; I think that would be a good addition to the show.

# January 14, 2006 1:43 PM

Carl Franklin said:

His current plan is to highlight at least one tool every week.

# January 14, 2006 2:15 PM

Page Brooks said:

I like the terse nature of the podcast. I am more apt to listen to it if I don't have to invest too much time. Also, anything that will increase my productivity gets bonus points IMO.

# January 14, 2006 3:01 PM

Brian Kuhn said:

At the beginning of the show, a short list/synopsis of what will be covered would be nice so that as the number of shows grows, we can quickly find information if we need to go back to older shows. Maybe throw it in the audio file meta-data as well.

Content and tone were great, I'll keep listening.

# January 14, 2006 4:08 PM

blameMike said:

I totally loved it! Hot to death!

# January 14, 2006 10:49 PM

Adam Cogan said:

Always love Scotty - he will never run out of material.

I dont like Shrinkster or Tiny URL - I would prefer just one page per episode and have all the URLs put there

Cheers Adam
www.ssw.com.au

# January 14, 2006 11:19 PM

Chris Bilson said:

Hi Carl,

It was a great show. Obviously future shows won't be this long, so I don't imagine there will be any difficulties keeping the quality high.

Advice? Don't be afraid to do _some_ dialog. It seemed like Scott was too conscious of the time-constraint goal.

Also, I hope the show isn't just about little tools. Those are great, don't get me wrong, but I think there are lots of other things for Scott to say than just URLs to nice little tools.

# January 15, 2006 2:24 AM

JimC said:

Hey Carl, great show, the DNR interview was great, and so was this. Very cool, I just wish I could either download the whole thing, or be able to navigate the sections. I wanted to go back to a certian part to check the code but had to start all over. Looking forward to some more, keep it coming.

# January 15, 2006 11:24 AM

cellis said:

is there anyway to put links to things you guys talk about into the rss? i appreciate how you verbal list them, yet it would be more useful to me anyway if they were contained in the rss feed.

# January 15, 2006 11:37 AM

Carl said:

You'll be able to download it tomorrow (Monday). If you have IE you get a flash menu bar on the left hand side so you can navigate from chapter to chapter.

# January 15, 2006 12:19 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

We list the links on the website, but I like the idea of including it in the RSS.

I like the idea of a summary in he beginning also.

Next show I think we'll try url123.com, then maybe shrinkster. We COULD also just do something like hanselman.com/link.aspx?id=3? so folks remember only the number.

I'm also going to try to be more upbeat. I was pretty tired that day.

Request: What can we do to get folks who aren't in our little .NET niche to be interested? Meaning, we're all reading blogs, etc - how do we get the average .NET dev to listen? Word of mouth? Magazines?

# January 15, 2006 1:17 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

Another idea on the links...I could store them at del.icio.us....

http://del.icio.us/shanselman is my stream...

# January 15, 2006 1:19 PM

Ian said:

Carl, Scott - The first episode was good, double-speed in media player seems to work well.
I like the del.icio.us ideak Scott - they allow an RSS feed of links which is a handy way to track what the show's about!
TinyURL is great, but I won't remember even those if I'm listening in the car. stick the urls on a page, or on a feed somewhere.

Regarding burnout, a 2-week show would work fine. We realise you do actually have a day job, and a little-un to look after so that may take off some pressure, and prevent the content from slowing down.

# January 15, 2006 9:38 PM

cometbill said:

Another Pwop Production and Carl's attempt at taking over the (podcasting) world. As expected from Pwop the sound quality is good.

I wouldn't mind if the show was only once fortnightly, I like the idead of highligthing a tool at a time, for instance in this episode quite a few minutes about XBox as a media centre (or Center for you yanks) hub was very interesting, although not a utility like SlickRun (which I now use thanks to Scott's tools list) it was interesting to hear how the 'tool' can be / is used in everyday life. This is far more useful than just be given the name of a tool and then the guest enthusing over how good it is, and how indespensible it is. Tell us how YOU use it, and what it can do for you.

As a result the XBox has now moved up one position in my rankings for getting one. Up from not wanting one, to yes I'll buy one when I win the lottery.

Anyway, back to the show, I like the word utilitarian, and I look back at how many tools I used to use in my last job and I was gobsmacked at how many things I used to make my life easier, Windiff, SlickRun, CSDiff, etc etc.

I particularly liked, in this case Carl, interjecting with alternative tools to do the same thing (ie TinyURL and Shrinkster). Perhaps Scott could 'guest' someone with tools they use, and Scott could shoot them down with reasons that he doesn't also use that tool.

I'd like to hear about tools Mark Miller uses (I remember he mentioned in one DNR interview he mentioned he uses forums internally) I'd like to hear about stuff like that and how companies use things like that to improve communication and processes between developers.

I think I'm in a similar timezone as Hanselminutes given how my ex team leader used to have a similar conversion factor to apply to my project plans and estimates.

All in all I thought this show filled a gap between DNR and Polymorphicpodcast.

Highly recommended.

# January 16, 2006 4:37 AM

sureshot said:

hi carl, loved the show, learnt a lot.

'That tells me people don't like to wait for the next section '

correct, i watched the show when it was first released as did many other people and the wait time between bits was 5-10 mins on my relatively speedy connection.

release the entire show as a torrent-driven download and you are in business, 200-300mb would seem to be a good size.

also you need to get a cam of some sort so we can see you during the guest intro and chat. I look at the vs.net IDE too much as it is!! :-)

# January 16, 2006 5:38 AM

Frank Kroondijk said:

Hi Carl,

Saw your show and listen too your podcasts in the car (my girlfriend is a bit less enthusiastic about that :-) )

Good work! No problems with download times of the show.

Inspired on your show:

http://dotnetpret.blogspot.com/2006/01/prototype-customform-control.html

sorry about being it C# coded, I know you are a VB-guy.. :-)

Greetings,
Frank

# January 16, 2006 7:32 AM

Steve O. said:

I think you should reduce the resolution. At 1024x768, you can't view it fully even with Internet Explorer in kiosk mode.

# January 16, 2006 8:03 AM

Guy Barrette said:

Keep in mind that people are curious. You started something new and some of us just went for a peak. I was surprised at the lenght of the show (not that it is a bad thing). You should state how long is the show on the home page and on the navigation menu to make sure people have enough time to watch it.
I like the quality of the videos. Good work and keep it up my friend!

# January 16, 2006 8:39 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> I think you should reduce the resolution

My thought there is:

a) most developers use resolutions in excess of 1024x768 so they can get more code real-estate on the screen

b) 1024x768 is standard for presentations of code at conferences, user group meetings.

# January 16, 2006 9:41 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> 200-300mb would seem to be a good size

> you need to get a cam of some sort so we can see you

You can't have it both ways :-)

# January 16, 2006 9:45 AM

Mark said:

Check out Channel 9 Screen casts. They use a WMV codec titled "Windows Media Video 9 Screen". This results in a file of 5,916 KB for 7 1/2 mintes. A sample page url is http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=154885#154885 and video url is http://channel9.msdn.com/Screencasts/154885_WinForms%20App%20SSO%20in%202%20Lines.wmv

Channel 9 releases both wmv and swf files for download. The swf files is 5.2 MB. That seems to be only a 15% size penalty.

BTW, the C9 screen casts are of exceptional quality and capture the screen and motion perfectly. You can still see and understand the screen at 1/4 full screen.

There are also other webcasts produced by TechNet that have a screen capture with a talking head in an unused corner of the window. I can dig up a page url if you want to investigate further.

# January 16, 2006 10:48 AM

Rob said:

I loved the way the show was broken up. I had no problem at all. It gave me time to check messages while it was downloading. Of course I use two monitors, so I kept it on screen 2 so I could keep my other stuff open on #1... But I loved the quality. Keep it up. I'm really looking forward to part 2.

# January 16, 2006 11:29 AM

Jesper Blad Jensen said:

I really like the show. So many times I have head some cool stuff on DNR, and though: "GIVE ME DEMO!"
DNRTV kinda links the DNR, and the "GIVE ME DEMO" stuff togetter, but is still not used at a replacement for the radio show. I like that way to do it, as my IPod dont take video. :D

Also I really looking forward for a downloadable version of the show, as a fullscreen IE window dont really work for me :D

# January 16, 2006 11:41 AM

Andrew Robinson said:

Carl,

I loved the picuture quality but yes, I lost interest about the third time I had to wait for a new section to download. I understand the 15000 frame limit but how about creating a single download of a zip or iso image? Then I wouldn't have to wait. I am assuming you can still maintain the sections and deal with the 15,000 frame issue.

-A

# January 16, 2006 11:49 AM

Brook said:

Loved the show. The only reason why I didn't watch it all the way through was because I am not interested in web controls, but I still wanted to give the show a look-see.

Offering up the entire video as a torrent would be nice. Might save you some bandwidth.

And I think you need to be concerned about making sure you don't get too technical or too slow. Maybe giving videos a rating like they do at Microsoft for webcasts would be a good idea.

# January 16, 2006 12:42 PM

Erebus Bat said:

I wondered why you broke it up, now I know.

I have dabbled a little in video encoding and may be able to help you here. First off I have never attempted to optimize Camtasia videos as all mine have been small so I have used flash. However I have come to this conclusion: Adobe Premiere is the best application for editing but it sucks for encoding (unless you are putting your content on a DVD). I really dislike premiere's options for audio output and the MPEG option can even crash BSplayer at times.

When space is an issue for me I usually do my editing in premiere and then export a movie as DV (It will be huge). Then I use VirtualDub to encode both the audio and the video. I usually use the XviD codec along with LAME for audio (be sure to use CBR!!!) and I can get very respectable file sizes. I can give more information on this if you wish, but like I said I do not know if it will rival TechSmith or not, but if you did decide to do a video inlay then this would be the way to go!

I would also like to comment on the torrent issue. Given the audience demographic and the already existing distribution network (for DNR) I do not see I problem with using bitTorrent to (solely) distribute the shows. I actually like this better as I can archive them myself. The only reason I do not use BT to download DNR is because I have not found an app that integrates with iTunes in a decent way. I don't have an iPod video so I am watching them on my computer anyway :).

# January 16, 2006 1:20 PM

Ralph Loizzo said:

Did you already publish Mondays today?

It doesn't seem to be up.

# January 16, 2006 1:28 PM

JimC said:

Hey Carl,

First off, loved the show, and yes it is very cool @ 1024x768. The segmentation was ok, just had no way to navigate it though. Some kind of menu to jump to different sections would be nice. IE I wanted to check out something with how he did something ( escapes me at the moment) so I had to start at the begining again. Now that isn't all bad, but agian I suck up your bandwidth, downloadable would be awesome. I just wondered why you went with 10fps, I think for what you are doing, 15fps or even higher maybe would work, the content is not a movie (per-say) but the size of the file could be cut down substantially. I know your a sharp dude ( no not C#) and you will get it figured out. Rock on....

# January 16, 2006 2:17 PM

Andy Eick said:

My suggestion is for better random access. I know you have the treeview access on the menu, but I think it would be nice to highlight what section you are viewing, to both allow you to return, and to let you see how much time is left in the video (not how much time is left in the segment).

I remember watching partf.html in the morning, but when I tried to tune back in to the site later in the afternoon to watch the rest of the video, I was left wondering if I was "4 of 8" or "5 of 8". Being able to count and knowing the alphabet allowed me to crack the secret URL naming convention code, but my suggestion is to allow random access. I can't devote that big a block of time to watching it in one sitting.

# January 16, 2006 2:55 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We have a sidebar menu written in Flash that allows you to navigate through the different parts. It only comes accross in IE. We're working on that.

# January 16, 2006 3:35 PM

Andy Eick said:

Sorry, I think my comment wasn't clear. I was using IE, and I did use the flash tree to navigate. My suggestion is for the tree to "highlight the node that is currently playing." This would give me a graphical view of "where I was in the video". Since I didn't know where I was in the video (e.g., which part), I didn't know how much time to allot to watching..." I was able to deduce the information from the URL name and the flash tree.

I think it's excellent that the video is chunked up, (for the technical reasons above) -- since I can't devote a block of time to watch from start to finish anyway. This allowed me to watch a few sections, and then come back later in the day to watch the rest.

My $.02 -- Excellent stuff though -- the video's add so much to the learning.

# January 16, 2006 5:43 PM

Andy Eick said:

I think the show has great potential, and could fit a great niche. I've been leading a team of 8-12 developers for years. Every time I do a code review with one of them, I notice a new trick (control key combinations, new tool, etc). This podcast (it seems) is an aggregation of that "found" knowledge into 20 minutes delivery.

What I liked about the content was that it seemed to center on industry programmers who are working on projects today. I've heard a bunch of other (good) podcasts on beta's that will be out in 2 years, or ATLAS or some other future program that I'll be interested in next year, but I'd prefer discussions on real problems and real available tools that I can use in a production environment.

# January 16, 2006 6:00 PM

Justin King said:

Show was fantastic, resolution was above all expectations and was quite excited with the higher resolution. Do not like 800 X 600 where the developer has to keep on hiding toolbars just so you can see all the code.

Breaking it up is also great, if people are not going to stay around then you save yourself bandwidth for the others if they give up half way through. You can offer bit torrent for the ones who like it all and let them sort out the wait.

# January 16, 2006 6:29 PM

Rob said:

Hanselminutes was great. I'm a big fan. It'd be really cool to get a show every month. I think that it's a bit long to do more often than that. Also that gives time to "play" with the tools and toys described.

# January 16, 2006 8:01 PM

Mondays Fan said:

NO again, mondays has not been put up on a monday, seriously guys i love mondays, that why it annoys me when every monday i go to the mondays site hoping that there is going to be one this week.

# January 17, 2006 10:38 AM

daniel said:

I'm with the bittorrent crowd- I'd prefer a WMV or AVI, but Flash would be fine, as long as I could run it and ff/rw. But, don't want to hose your bandwidth, so a BT option would be ideal. Though you'd probably want to offer an http-download version also. I gave up on part c because it was so slow downloading, not really for any content-related reason.

Bonus points for a Bittorrent/rss solution...

# January 17, 2006 1:26 PM

Dave P. said:

Hard to think you can't compress more than that, given the mostly static nature of the video. Maybe a different vendor?

Ditto the comments on reducing the size of the display. I could not fit the entire screen on my monitor. At any rate, there's no need to fit the video to the largest resolution out there. Keep it big enough to be legible, IMO. You could also run ads in the margins (depending on vendor).

# January 17, 2006 1:54 PM

Charlie said:

I don't know. I like his blog but listening to him talk kind of bored me. He needs to relax a little bit. Kind of made me anxious. Even a tiny bit of humor wouldn't hurt.

That and starting off about how he feels about podcasting put me off somewhat.

Just my opiniion though. Hope that helps

# January 18, 2006 1:22 AM

Tim said:

No bittorrent download?

# January 18, 2006 8:39 AM

Wallym said:

Congrats on getting it going. Froma a bandwidth standpoint, video is really painful.

# January 18, 2006 2:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Well, get it while it lasts, because after tonight dnrTV downloads will be BitTorrent only until we upgrade the bandwidth.

See http://weblogs.asp.net/cfranklin/archive/2006/01/18/435842.aspx

# January 18, 2006 2:34 PM

Mike Clark said:

Greatly enjoyed it! Content - content - content. And I was surprised to find that fast speed actually was quite intelligible.

I will be looking for this each week! Now, will somebody please buy me an iPod?

# January 18, 2006 6:31 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzz said:

cool. torrent of episode 1 no-workee

http://perseus.franklins.net/dnrtv/dnrtv_0000.zip.torrent

# January 19, 2006 5:10 AM

zzzzzzzzzzzz said:

ahh, the link to ep1 is wrong. should be 0001.zip.torrent

# January 19, 2006 5:13 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Yes.. it's a bug. We're fixing it.

# January 19, 2006 5:23 AM

Dave Purrington said:

For a simpler experience, Nimiq works very well.

http://www.nimiq.nl/

# January 19, 2006 9:25 AM

Jason F said:

Ipodder also supports torrents.

http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/index.php

# January 19, 2006 12:45 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We'll have to ask them, but I think the last time I checked with the Nimiq people, they said that Nimiq only downloads. It doesn't share. I'll ask again.

# January 19, 2006 12:48 PM

Dave P. said:

So Nimiq is a leecher only? Bummer. Okay, thanks for letting me know -- won't be using that anymore.

# January 19, 2006 1:53 PM

Dave P. said:

On second thought, Nimiq is better than nothing. At least it disperses the traffic to BT instead of focusing it on your HTTP servers.

There's got to be a simpler BT client (up and down) out there. Azureus is obviously powerful, but it's got too many options for the average user. BT is already more complicated than direct download, we've got to do all we can to grease the skids.

# January 19, 2006 1:57 PM

mabster said:

Hello! EventArgs.Empty??? How did I miss that?

Just goes to show that you can get something out of these shows even if you don't do any asp.net.

(mabster goes off and does a global search for "new EventArgs()" in his code...)

Loving this, Carl. Would love to see some WinForms stuff - particularly database-oriented.

# January 19, 2006 5:32 PM

rizzo said:

Try RSS Radio from www.dorada.co.uk
The app is really simple and easy to use, has all the features and does torrents. Plus, it's .NET based - don't have to install the JRE.

# January 19, 2006 9:11 PM

rizzo said:

You gotta be kidding me. Flash? Flash 8 no less. That's downright evil, Carl.

# January 19, 2006 9:15 PM

Colin Neller said:

Carl,

Just a few comments on the show:

1. First, great work. I always enjoy the tips and tricks that I pick up when I watch other people code.

2. Although Miguel did show off the new (to VB) event support in the property grid, he didn't show that you can double-click the text area beside an event to automatically create a new event handler in the code-behind (you don't have to type in the name of the event handler.)

3. The .NET event naming guidelines state to "Use a gerund (the "ing" form of a verb) to create an event name that expresses the concept of pre-event, and a past-tense verb to represent post-event." Therefore the events "BeforeEmailSend" and "AfterEmailSend" should be "EmailSending" and "EmailSent". I know, I know... picky, but it would be nice if all .NET programmers named stuff consistently - especially in their public properties/events.

Again, great work!

# January 20, 2006 1:01 AM

Jason F said:

You may also want to try uTorrent.

http://www.utorrent.com

It's fairly small and fast and I believe it's written written on the .net framework(not 100% certain on this). The latest version includes rss support. It's what I'm using to seed the shows.

# January 20, 2006 1:30 AM

Justin King said:

On part 2 Miguel mentioned he stole icons from Carl and Gary's vb page. You said it's no longer around.

But aha!! All the memories you tried to run from :)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010925135724/http://www.cgvb.com/

# January 20, 2006 7:01 AM

MauricioC said:

You can put multiple files in a single torrent without zipping things. This makes it easier for users who would like to keep seeding but are low on disk space (keeping both the compressed file and the uncompressed videos is a waste of space). (File => Share => Folder in Azureus).

I'd appreciate if future torrents were done this way. Thanks in advance.

# January 20, 2006 10:36 AM

MauricioC said:

Carl,

Just watched the show. It was *awesome*. Great subject, great guest, great explanation. I also enjoyed all of your observations: on most times, it was like you were reading my mind and explaining all possible points of misunderstanding. This is almost as good as a real-life classroom. Thanks!

By the ay, I'd love to see Miguel again on the show, but I know the other guests will be just as prepared and infomrative. Can't wait 'til next week.

# January 22, 2006 9:30 AM

Carl Franklin said:

What a great comment, Mauricio! Thank you!

# January 22, 2006 4:03 PM

Bilal Haidar [MVP] said:

Hey Scott:
Happy birth day!!

Regards

# January 22, 2006 4:29 PM

MauricioC said:

Happy birthday, Scott!

# January 22, 2006 5:38 PM

PaulS said:

Happy Bday Scott! Wow, we are the same age.... I feel so under accomplished. :)

# January 22, 2006 9:42 PM

Mark Freedman said:

Fantastic implementation of the TV show you always wanted to produce, Carl! Great job by you and Miguel.

Yeah, I also question the all-flash site, but once I get beyond that, the videos are worth it. And the torrent downloads were lightning fast!

# January 22, 2006 11:06 PM

vbNullString said:

I'm as old as Scott too. I also feel so under accomplished...

# January 23, 2006 2:09 AM

jayson knight said:

Not sure if this fits all your requirements, but I swear by BitComet (www.bitcomet.com). I know it fits the first 4, but not sure about RSS enclosures.

# January 23, 2006 2:35 AM

Jamie said:

uTorrent - new versions are released pretty regularly, I believe its at 1.4.x just now. It's certainly a lot better than Azureus, and although the RSS support is incomplete at the moment, it's still very useful.

# January 23, 2006 3:41 AM

cometbill said:

There was a guy called David Smith who was interviewed for a podcast at :-

http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showID=160

He talked about BitTorrent, and his own implementation of the BitTorrent protocol written in C# on there.

There's also a podcasting client due out soon from :-

http://www.pwopcatcher.com/

Would these not do ?

I don't know as I use SharpReader for reading RSS, and download all my favourite podcasts (at my sister's) manually at the moment.

# January 23, 2006 5:01 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Hehe... Yeah, I'm working on that. Meantime we need a better solution. If it don't do RSS it aintagonnawork.

# January 23, 2006 5:34 AM

Jim Harte said:

I believe Doppler supports the "official" BitTorrent client. And it's written in .NET:

http://www.dopplerradio.net/

# January 23, 2006 7:08 AM

Carl Franklin said:

So, I'm looking for a simple all-inclusive app that you don't have to tweak.

# January 23, 2006 7:22 AM

cometbill said:

Crikey ! you want the moon on a stick.

You'd better get out there and write it. Or start a sourceforge project for DNR listeners.

# January 23, 2006 7:29 AM

MauricioC said:

I didn't actually wait until µTorrent started to download the mp3 file automatically, but going to Options => RSS => Releases, right-clicking the current show and clicking Open makes µTorrent download it.

The FAQ you referenced says µTorrent supports <enclosure> tags. The bold part does not apply to .NET Rocks! feeds, as you link directly to the torrent. Sorry to ask whatis probably a dumb question, but are you sure it doesn't work?

# January 23, 2006 8:57 AM

Carl Franklin said:

No, I didn't try it. Perhaps I will today.

# January 23, 2006 9:01 AM

JasonF said:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1913683,00.asp

# January 23, 2006 11:01 AM

Dave P. said:

Carl:

good day, eh, from the great white north. As luck would have it, PCMag just wrote a review of BT clients:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1913683,00.asp

I haven't had time to read it yet -- maybe someone will beat me to it.

# January 23, 2006 11:01 AM

Dave P. said:

UPnP should be a req't as well.

# January 23, 2006 11:02 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

Carl, you finally got it, Azureus sucks.
I use Doppler with Shareaza. Shareaza is a is dead easy and supports bittorrent, but you cannot subscribe to feed with it (same thing with Azureus as far as I remember). That's why I use Doppler which downloads the .torrent file and automatically fires up Shareaza with the mp3. Easiest solution that I have found yet.

# January 23, 2006 11:57 AM

rizzo said:

As far as just downloading podcasts, RSS Radio is great - simple and supports bittorrent.

# January 23, 2006 12:16 PM

JasonF_ said:

RE: uTorrent and rss

As mentioned above there is currently a non-beta version of uTorrent that supports RSS -- v1.4.

From the Faq(see below), if you setup a filter(similar to azureus) for the rss feed it will automatically download the torrent.

http://www.utorrent.com/faq.php#Does_.C2.B5Torrent_support_RSS_feeds.3F

To automatically download specific torrents from a feed, you can use Favorites to specify your own filters to grab torrents. It does NOT support regular expressions. Here's a simple tutorial explaining the various options and how to use it (with examples).

Hit Add, then type the name of the filter.
Click on the editbox next to Filter: and add your filter. The allowed wildcards are * ? and |. An example of a filter you could use would be Stargate?SG*1*
Not: allows you to exclude certain strings from matching. An example is you don't want releases with AC3 audio and H.264: you can write *AC3*|*H*264|*x*264* in Not: to exclude those
If you want the torrents to automatically download and start without any further input, you MUST specify a folder in Save in:! However, if you have a path set in "Put new downloads in:" in Folder Options, you don't have to set a save folder here.
Feed: chooses what feed you want the filter to apply to; either all of them or a specific one
Quality allows you choose various qualities to match against, or allow all. You can choose more than one quality in the dropdown list.
Episode number is to download only specific ep numbers, say to avoid releases of old episodes. It does support ranges (i.e. 1x4-26).
"Filter matches original name instead of decoded name" is so that you can match based off what the original name is in the feed, instead of µTorrent's parsed result.
Give download highest priority sets all torrents downloaded automatically through RSS to the top of the queue, making your seeds and other downloads get queued if you reach the max active torrents.
Smart ep. filter makes µTorrent only download the first version of each new episode that matches your filter.
Minimum interval sets a minimum interval between matches for the filter: if you set it to 2 days, µTorrent will not download anything for at least 2 days after a match.
You can use the Reset button to make µTorrent forget that it has downloaded episodes and the last time matched for that filter.
Label for new torrents auto-sets a label for torrents that match the filter.
All changes are automatically saved when you make them, so you don't have to do anything once you're done editing the filter.
You can select a filter and press ? to see what the last episode was that matched, and the last time that the filter matched something.

# January 23, 2006 12:26 PM

Dave P. said:

Carl:

(Sorry for the repeat link post. Duh, not enough coffee this morning.)

Good news: I've got uTorrent working with both DNR and Mondays. It downloads RSS feeds automagically (the filter setting is the key), supports UPnP, and does not use Java. Much simpler interface. (BTW, the FAQ instructions do not match the UI for setting up feed filters. A little frustrating, that.) This app should work well for general consumption.

BTW -- BT is really freaking fast these days. Looks like the seeding is helping a lot.

# January 23, 2006 12:36 PM

Jason F_ said:

One thing to mention with utorrent if you plan on seeding long term. By default it is set to stop seeding when the ration hits 150% of the original torrent file size. This setting is under "seeding priority"; you'll need to increase that number since there's no option to disable it.

There's also a scheduler where you can specify on a daily/hourly basis how much band with is used for seeding. [located under options | preferences | scheduler]

You can also double click on a particular torrent and specify the maximum bandwith that feed is allowed to utilize for uploading or downloading.

# January 23, 2006 1:00 PM

JasonF said:

Heh, two JasonF's. That could get confusing...

# January 23, 2006 8:23 PM

Dave P said:

Just a follow-up on uTorrent. I tried setting it up at home to use for seeding Pwop files, but it weeds out duplicates. So it would only download one version of Mondays, for example, not all of the different flavors. Maybe someone else can tease that out of the program, but I couldn't. So the Pwop ambassadors should stick with Az for now, but uTorrent seems to look good for general consumption.

# January 23, 2006 9:04 PM

Matt Smith said:

I've had good luck with BitLord. I've actually had a couple of situations where a torrent wouldn't start in BitLord but would uTorrent and vice versa. However, I usually start with BitLord first.

# January 23, 2006 11:56 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

Does not GetRight support both RSS and BitTorrent?
http://www.getright.com/new6.html

# January 24, 2006 3:47 AM

Dave P. said:

He didn't say it, but I think free is a requirement as well. Not that $25 will break the bank, but casual users probably wouldn't cross that threshold.

# January 24, 2006 9:36 AM

NJ John said:

Happy 16,819,200th Hanselminute, Scott!

# January 24, 2006 11:34 AM

ActiveNick said:

Hey Carl!

Sorry, no help here since I use Azureus and you tought me everything I know about torrents.

Let me hijack your thread since I think you and your friends will love the new batch of pictures I just uploaded on my blog gallery... you're in there of course, including a new category which I dubbed "Carl Franklin Body Art Shots" :)

I'm sure you can guess what those are now :)

Anyways, here is the direct link to the post: http://www.infusionblogs.com/blogs/activenick/archive/2006/01/24/270.aspx

Enjoy! lol :)

# January 24, 2006 12:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Regarding GetRight:

From the FAQ:

> Can GetRight Upload files too?
> Not yet. But something is coming. :-)

# January 24, 2006 4:26 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Regarding BitLord:

Nothing in the FAQ about RSS. Searched the forums for RSS. No results.

# January 24, 2006 4:37 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Regarding BitPump:

Searched the site for RSS. Nothing

# January 24, 2006 4:39 PM

Dave P. said:

Another one: FireAnt

http://fireant.tv

# January 25, 2006 11:11 AM

Dave P. said:

Re: FireAnt

Pro:
- supports RSS (got it working with DNR feed)
- free
- no Java
- simple
- automatic sync with portable devices (not tested)

Con:
- seems a little shaky, acts like a Beta

# January 25, 2006 11:30 AM

BlueDog said:

There is a somewhat Publisher replacement for Linux.

Scribus - Is Desktop Publishing application for Linux

http://www.scribus.org.uk/

# January 26, 2006 6:14 AM

Rachit said:

The site requires Flash 8 plugin but there's no flash 8 for windows 2003 server, so I can never pass http://www.dnrtv.com/noflash.aspx page.

:)

# January 26, 2006 7:04 AM

Brent O. said:

There's a space in your link for HanselMinutes, and you might want to correct the Thinkpad laptop name to T42. I immediately jumped when I saw this because I'm typing this on a T42 - I've been using Thinkpads for years - and I'd kill to have a Windows key on the keyboard!

# January 26, 2006 7:57 AM

Jason F said:

seems to be an error in the url in the rss enclosure tag. The link on the homepage is
http://perseus.franklins.net/dnrtv/dnrtv_0003.zip.torrent

whereas the link in the rss is
http://perseus.franklins.net/dnrtvdnrtv_0003.zip.torrent

# January 26, 2006 10:53 AM

PaulS said:

I believe that you can just install the flash player for windows. I did it for my Server 2003 and it works.

# January 26, 2006 11:35 AM

Carl Franklin said:

> seems to be an error in the url in the rss enclosure tag.

So THATS why it didn't go out this morning like it normally does! When this process is more automated these little problems won't occur as frequently.

Fixed now

# January 26, 2006 2:30 PM

Marius said:

Great Show! Hope for some more gotchas next week. Thanks Carl

# January 26, 2006 4:00 PM

cometbill said:

OK, as long as you don't cut me off mid downlo..........................

# January 27, 2006 2:40 AM

Dave said:

What would be fun for fodder is to have a survey as to what rules people absolutely agreed with and which rules would be the hardest to accept if you joined his team (and please explain why on those).

# January 27, 2006 2:45 PM

Rob said:

I'm still wading through all the rules. Somebody's a bit too anal. Even though I find some of the rules a bit harsh, I've already sent links to my friends regarding stuff that I've been telling them for months.

My favorite rule so far came from "Rules to Better Websites." The Banana Rule Rocks. Also, the naming conventions are perfect. I've sent the list to all my buddies. Hopefully they'll get thier acts together.

# January 27, 2006 5:30 PM

Jim said:

I agree with Rob - it will take a while to sort through all the rules, but it's nice to know they're there. I especially like the rhetoric behind the rules (so that you make an argument either for or against it) because he's sharing his first-hand experience with it. The good news is that we can decide to accept it or reject it based upon our experience as well.

I also like the "best tools" section. You know Adam has been around the block a few times has weeded out a lot bad software and leaves us with his top choices - much like what Scott Hanselman does.

# January 27, 2006 6:51 PM

Aaron said:

Hate to work for/with him. Can someone say code monkey ?

# January 29, 2006 12:15 AM

John Walker said:

Carl,

This is really awesome. Thanks for it. Miguel is a great teacher with a great personality. A true dev. I watched both episodes and will be grabbing #3 soon. Thanks again.

jw

# January 29, 2006 3:01 AM

Jerry Merchand said:

DNR-TV is the best!

Hey guys,

Adam's talk about rules was great... I found this cool little plug-in for VS6 called VBLaw. They have a vb6 and a vb.net version. I have only used the VB6 VBLaw application but it sounds at lot like the auditor Adam was talking about. I like it because it helps me identify sloppy code. Anyway, keep rocking! Jerry

# January 29, 2006 5:48 PM

Tim Murphy said:

I'm with Aaron as far as not wanting to work for him. I wouldn't go as far as code monkey.

One rule I definitely do not agree with is that striking through an item is a good UI practice. I just think that makes the screen look like garbage.

I also think that while the email bug tracking may work for him, I think it is rather clunky. I understand the argument about not wanting to copy emails, but if you only use your tracking system and not emails to report bugs it is a moot point.

Personally I found it mildly amusing, but not very informative.

# January 29, 2006 11:09 PM

Addy Santo said:

PLEASE tell me that this is either DIME or MTOM based... the last thing we need is Yet Another Binary-Over-WS protocol which nobody supports.

# January 30, 2006 1:37 AM

Carl Franklin said:

Nope. This started as a demo I did for a student this week who wanted to see a complete asynchronous process with large sets of data. I've never even heard of MTOM. I have heard of DIME, though. Just never used it.

By the way, it's not a binary over WS protocol. It's all standard WS stuff.

Googling MTOM...

# January 30, 2006 1:45 AM

Jim McCusker said:

Carl,

I loaded the project in VS 2005 and got the following error when I tried to open the WSFileClient.vb file in the WSFileComponents project:

Could not load type 'System.CodeDom.Compiler.GeneratedCodeAttribute' from assembly 'System, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'.

Note: I created a web server of port 4347 and set the directory to the WSFileService, but that isn't helping.

Ideas?

# January 30, 2006 8:59 AM

Dave P. said:

Damn, Carl, WTF were you thinking? Kidding.

These are new to me too. I found what has to be the first informative thread ever on 24/7. It's a good discussion of DIME, MTOM, WSE, etc., and it's here (and in the link on my name):

http://www.winfx247.com/247reference/msgs/0/1206.aspx

Remoting would be another (& more efficient) approach, allowing for binary formatting, but I'm assuming you opted for WS for platform interoperability.

# January 30, 2006 10:16 AM

Chris Kinsman said:

DIME and MTOM have their own issues mainly that if you don't want the stream loaded into memory on the server side you have to make sure the stream is the only part of the message and you are using WCF so you can go into non-buffered streaming mode.

There is a need for a chunking protocol. I have written several already myself and they all are slightly different.

I don't think I would call it WSFile though. A lot of the large data that needs to be chunked isn't necessarily a file.

# January 30, 2006 12:53 PM

Simon Fell said:

HTTP already has a chunking protocol. What's this do that a bog standard HTTP PUT won't ?

# January 30, 2006 4:20 PM

Carl Franklin said:

> I don't think I would call it WSFile though.
good point. I only thought about the WS-* thing after it was written.

What I like about this approach is that it is easy. One webmethod to init, and one to accept a chunk.

> What's this do that a bog standard HTTP PUT won't ?

Control of both sides. Notification at each chunk. Easy to implement.

# January 30, 2006 5:01 PM

Morgan Tiley said:

Programming's Primary Technical Imperative: Reduce Complexity.

I think Adam's rules are great. I would love to be able to have a rulebook like this at work. I don't think it would be too limiting either, in fact I think the opposite. We make thousands of decisions when programming and if you can take away a number of mundane ones with rules, you'll actually be able to program higher quality code, and be more creative.

Great show!

# January 31, 2006 7:53 AM

Daniel Whymark said:

Starting listening to the show, I thought this sounds nuts, thinking it would make development too restrictive in its process. But after a while I started to agree with the approach. In my experience, good code comes from good standards. So Thanks Adam, especially for putting these out to the community. I will certainly be checking them out in more detail.

# February 1, 2006 3:42 AM

PWills said:

Dave P.-
I can't for the life of me get FireAnt working with the BitTorrent feeds. All it seems to do is download the .torrent file to my computer (not too helpful).

I am adding a 'channel' for http://www.dotnetrocks.com/DotNetRocks_MP3Direct.xml -- is there something else to do?

# February 1, 2006 9:28 AM

Oran said:

I think Clemens beat you to the punch:

http://friends.newtelligence.net/clemensv/PermaLink,guid,8fc367b2-a4be-4588-8264-5455c268b94a.aspx

and

http://newtellivision.tv/default.aspx#a1fcfa0d9-4398-4dca-bf82-6b7e476756d0

However, a transport-agnostic "WS-ReliableStreaming" would be very nice to have. Not only could you guarantee delivery of part of a stream (aka message), but you could interrupt a stream with a higher priority stream if necessary without having to retransmit the entire lower priority stream/message. This is especially handy if you have multiple durable intermediaries routing large messages/streams around, and the last hop is especially slow or lossy. But good luck getting a standards body to bless something like this any time soon...

# February 2, 2006 1:40 AM

Justin King said:

Another great show Carl and Venkat. Finally a download size that is more like it :)

Always wondered how the MS Webcasts get down to like 15 meg for an hour show though?

# February 2, 2006 4:51 AM

freelance programmer said:

Great show Carl. Keep it up!!

# February 2, 2006 9:51 PM

Jason F. said:

I think you forgot to update the rss feed. I didn't see get anything in the torrent feed. I took a look and it doesn't have an entry for this weeks show. Are you discontinuing the torrent download?

# February 2, 2006 11:01 PM

Carl Franklin said:

My apologies. Looks like the feed mover failed. I will fix. Thanks.

# February 3, 2006 6:00 AM

Paul Scarlett said:

Great show! Seem Venkat has enuf material to have a separate show ... hmmm

Also, I have noticed the link in your post sends you to a Under Construction page... but the www.dnrtv.com/default.aspx works fine

# February 3, 2006 10:11 AM

John Dogget said:

Awesome! Any chance to be able to change the playing speed in future episodes?

# February 3, 2006 11:17 AM

Marius said:

Great Show! Now i understand why my datagrid object wasn't filled with data when i called the web service asynchronously. Now it works:).

# February 3, 2006 11:55 AM

Mark Miller said:

Note: we'll release full source to the new feature so the entire community can benefit from your idea. Since it will be a DXCore plug-in, it will work in all versions of Visual Studio for .NET (versions 2002, 2003, 2005, and beyond).

We can create refactorings, custom tool windows, custom commands, custom highlighting, intelligent code analysis/manipulation, clipboard tools, etc. If you have an idea for a tool you need in the IDE, this is your chance to make it happen!

Now we only have an hour to build it, so let's keep those ideas focused and achievable.

# February 4, 2006 6:49 PM

Erick Sgarbi said:

This may not be relevant anymore for the 2005 product line (except for the express editions) but it would've been cool to have a NUnit project builder.

Using DXcore's structure parser to create and/or append unit tests stubs and maybe even having the ability to run the tests inside the IDE too (like TestDriven.NET). I have had CodeRush for almost 2 years now and never got the time to write something like that. Or maybe he should write an addin for hosting Mame inside VS.Net :-)

# February 4, 2006 9:18 PM

JasonF said:

I'm trying to think of all of the things that were just a pain in the ass to do over the past few years.

The first one that popped into my head was string building. That is, I can remember copying and pasting text (i.e., XML) into the IDE, and then going through line by line and prepending:

x = x & "

And then, if needed, suffixing with:

" & vbCrLf

A great/simple plugin would allow you to select a range of text, and then treat each line as an independent string, wrapping that string with some code. The example above was from my VB6 days, but a modern day version may be:

myStringBuilder.Append([lineHere]);

# February 4, 2006 9:57 PM

Paul S said:

Analyze your project/solution to give you totals for:
Lines of Code
Lines of Comments
Methods
Properties
Classes
Events
Average Lines per method
Average lines per class

OR

Track time spent working (maybe this just involves actual keyboard and mouse activity or even VS as the active window on the desktop could be a factor) in a project and solution level. Integration with Project Tracking software could be a possible second (third and fourth) episode.. :)

# February 4, 2006 11:02 PM

JimC said:

OK, U Da Man Miller, I have one request, SQL works sweet with VS, but how about those others out there.... I have some old Access stuff I was messing with, and boy that sucked. I have the con strings and the SQL to populate it, but to mod it VS opens Access, no visual representation or designer...... This seems like a nice fit to the DxCore. Plug in's for non-VS integrated data sources to allow direct manipulation/Creation......Huh...maybe....

Either way looking forward to what you have....
PS. will this be done in a MillaSecond....

# February 4, 2006 11:06 PM

JasonF said:

Is there any way to determine specific exceptions that could be thrown for a given set of code?

For example, when building try-catch blocks, the laziest thing to do is to only catch System.Exception, but that's because it's hard to know what exceptions a set of code could possibly throw.

Wouldn't it be neat if you could highlight code to wrap in a try-catch, and then have each type-specific catch automatically be generated:

try
{
x = myStreamReader.ReadLine();
}
catch (System.OutOfMemoryException ex)
{
// Implement
}
catch (System.IO.IOException)
{
// Implement
}
catch (System.Exception)
{
// Implement
}
finally
{
// Implement
}

This might provide insight into situations that the developer might not be thinking of at the time (like, "Oh, Yeah. I forgot that I need to handle Divide by Zero scenarios").

# February 4, 2006 11:13 PM

Scott said:

I’d like a tool that can (re)arrange a type’s members according to some standard rules. For instance, public members of a type should appear first, followed by protected members, then private member definitions should be at the bottom of the class.

It would also be sweet to have members ordered inside the three access modifier groups. For instance, public ctors should appear first, followed by public methods, then properties, then events.

A tool like this would be useful to enforce standards, and to make someone else’s strange code a little more familiar.

# February 4, 2006 11:16 PM

Brian said:

I would love something like "Promote to property"...
so I could select a private variable and it would generate the get and set properties..

# February 5, 2006 12:09 AM

John Walker said:

Carl,

dnrTV has been great. I've watched all of the episodes. The guests are just awesome. I could watch these all day, but coding calls. Thanks from Hoboken.

jw

# February 5, 2006 1:41 AM

Hermann Klinke said:

The user just lists the features and Visual Studio generates the code for it to work. Bug free, of course. If this is possible, then Mark is the guy who makes it happen.

# February 5, 2006 2:31 AM

Daniel Rieck said:

I'd love to see the "Introduce Parameter Object" refactoring, which takes all arguments of a method, and puts them into a new class.

I often need this when using the BackgroundWorker component, which only allows one argument to the worker method.

Brian: The "promote to property" refactoring already exists, it's called "Encapsulate Field".

# February 5, 2006 3:34 AM

Mark Kola said:

The company I work for has parameterized Sql in the Data Layer. It would be awesome to see an add-in that based upon the selection will bring up way to run that sql with the option of adding your own parameters. Also, I would like to see a way to store "SQL Snippets", T-SQL that is used all of the time to lookup information, reset data, etc. I sent some bits originally to DevExpress and got some feedback. I saw Mark Miller's MSDN webcast on DXCore, absolutely phenomenal. Keep up the great work.

# February 5, 2006 8:13 AM

Mark Kola said:

I just thought of another idea. Move a method to an existing region in the code. This would be a great timesaver

# February 5, 2006 9:15 AM

freelance programmer said:

I like Paul S's idea. I would love a simple way to get code stats..

# February 5, 2006 9:53 AM

Mark Miller said:

Mark Kola: That feature (move member to region) already exists in CodeRush.

# February 5, 2006 2:30 PM

J.C.M. said:

The resolution is good, but when viewed on a notebook PC with a maximum resolution of 1024 x 768, I found myself continuously needing to scroll both vertically and horiztonally to see the full frame.

It would be nicer if the HTML layout were sized based on the browser window's client area and the video scaled accordingly.

# February 5, 2006 5:07 PM

Walter Mitty said:

With IRC chat apps banned at my company, we need a chat window within Visual Studio so I can ask they guy who is working from home, "Can you check in that @#$! file?"

# February 5, 2006 9:33 PM

cometbill said:

I only just got Broadband so I've only just got round to listening to Adam's show ... this morning in fact.

God, I wish I had gotten the opportunity to work for / with Adam when I was learning VB3 through 6. I've worked with people that I've learnt a lot from but they never had a structure in place like this. Man, I would be a hell of a better programmer if they had.

I'm always keen to improve what I can offer my employers and customers, and this site is JUST the kind of thing that DotNetRocks should focus on more. The focus on particular areas of technology is great, but you should include a small section on best practices that the guest has developed over the years.

Fantastic show. I'll be listening to this one later tonight at home, making notes, and pouring through the rules myself to see which ones I can get adopted at work.

# February 6, 2006 2:40 AM

Andrew Nurse said:

One-click submit to thedailywtf.com for code reviews?

Seriously tho, I would love something that could scan the code you select and detect what exceptions can be thrown, then generate a try block with catches for all of them, as JasonF suggested. Or perhaps it gives you a list of exceptions thrown and you can check/uncheck those that you want to catch.

# February 6, 2006 4:32 PM

Daniel Rieck said:

JasonF and Andrew Nurse: What you're suggesting is basically putting in checked exceptions like Java has. Read this interview with Anders Hejlsberg about why this is bad: http://www.artima.com/intv/handcuffs.html

# February 7, 2006 12:21 AM

Delphi ex-lover said:

Mark, it would be nice to know at any point in time exactly where you are (in what class - method - event - ...) as you scroll through the code.

# February 7, 2006 5:03 AM

cometbill said:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just configured Nimiq last night to get it, and have it ready for me when I got home.

*bangs head on desk*

# February 7, 2006 10:13 AM

Jim McCusker said:

Mark,

Here's an idea. Recently a former co-worker of mine was looking for a method that could swap arguments in multiple assignment lines. For example:

a = b;
c = d;

would transform into:

b = a;
d = c;

This is actually quite useful in forms development where you need to read or write content from form components. I came up with a cool regular expression that does the trick most of the time. Just paste the following into the Replace (Ctrl-H) command in Visual Studio (This is for C#, just remove the ; for VB.Net):

RegEx Query:
{^[\t ]*}{[^=\t ]*}[\t ]*=[\t ]*{.[^\;]*};

Replacement:
\1\3 = \2\;

This works well for simple swaps, but it would be useful if the swapper could intelligently handle things like .ToString() being called on non-string properties. Example:

textBox1.Text = obj.intParam.ToString();

would be intelligently swapped as:

obj.intParam = int.Parse(textBox1.Text);

This would be quite useful if possible and would require interrogation of the objects being assigned.

--Jim

# February 7, 2006 10:43 AM

Randy said:

I once again demand a refund

# February 7, 2006 11:02 AM

SBC said:

Carl -

Having seen both sides of the fence for a long time and equally, I can provide you with more perspectives regarding outsourcing and globalization. I have done a lot of work in it & am continuing to do so.
I was once interviewed by the Hartford Courant for over 2 hours - they didn't publish it!

SB

# February 7, 2006 11:19 AM

Carl Franklin said:

SB,

Please elaborate!

# February 7, 2006 11:21 AM

SBC said:

hmm..
I'll blog about in the next few days and trackback to Steven's show..

# February 7, 2006 11:35 AM

Matias Nino said:

Carl, I'm sure you guys eventually figured the build/design time refresh issue that you kept running into on this episode, but I think the reason you had to build twice is because the build order was set to build the website first and the assembly second. If you go into the solution properties and set the build order to build the assembly first, it should refresh propertly on a single build-all.

# February 7, 2006 12:36 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Yeah, we figured this out after we shot the video. Did both one and 2 back to back.

Thanks for the feedback

# February 7, 2006 12:38 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We recorded last night. We went with Scott's suggestion:

"I’d like a tool that can (re)arrange a type’s members according to some standard rules. For instance, public members of a type should appear first, followed by protected members, then private member definitions should be at the bottom of the class."

It will be online Thursday at www.dnrtv.com

Thanks to all who had suggestions!

# February 7, 2006 1:25 PM

Paul S said:

Well I guess Scott gets a feature named after him eh? ScottSort or ScottStandard... :)

# February 7, 2006 1:46 PM

Stefan said:

I don't like no Mondays!

# February 7, 2006 2:25 PM

Matias Nino said:

Good show.

I'm surprised you guys didn't touch upon Argentina. Being both an argentine immigrant who frequently visits his native land and a programming geek, I have an inside view at what seems to be a very well kept secret regarding the outsourcing of technology/programming services to Argentina.

It's bizarre when you go down to Buenos Aires and you see huge skyscrapers with the logos of Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Accenture, etc, yet you rarely hear anything about it here in the US.

If you ask me, technology Outsourcing in Argentina is worth looking into.

Check out Daniel Cazzulino. He is in the fray and leads a fascinating life going back and forth between Redmond and Buenos Aires. He keeps a blog at http://weblogs.asp.net/cazzu

# February 7, 2006 2:29 PM

Justin King said:

Major bandwidth crunch must be going on, been trying to stream it for last 4 hours randomly, even when saving file it says 6 hours to save.

# February 7, 2006 9:45 PM

Carl Franklin said:

It should be better now.

By the way, we're moving files to a new server in Seattle. It should be online by next week, and will be twice as fast. The next phase will come in April, and will be 10 times as fast. :-)

# February 7, 2006 10:22 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

I just died and will sue you for the necromancers' fee, who'll have to raise me from death.

# February 9, 2006 5:03 AM

Marco Polo said:

U got to be kidding me man. How are u going to do that. Gosh dude.

# February 9, 2006 2:37 PM

Scott said:

Whoohoo!

# February 9, 2006 9:26 PM

Tim said:

Just thought I would let you know that I went back through your archives. I tried downloading the bittorent for the previous shows, and they all link to today's show. You might want to fix that.

# February 10, 2006 7:57 AM

Carl Franklin said:

It was just a band aid so I could get some sleep. We'll have it fixed in no time.

# February 10, 2006 11:38 AM

SBC said:

talking about BitTorrent -
http://weblogs.asp.net/sbchatterjee/archive/2006/02/10/437905.aspx

# February 10, 2006 12:17 PM

NJP said:

Oh, ballbags. I wondered what had happened to this weeks episode. Oh well, as long as you promise to be back on the case next week...:)

# February 10, 2006 1:05 PM

Oran said:

After further reading around, it appears Yasser Shohoud has an implementation that's closer to what you're trying to accomplish:

http://blogs.msdn.com/yassers/archive/2006/01/21/515887.aspx

# February 10, 2006 5:14 PM

John Walker said:

Ummm...yeah...it seems Mark has done some coding during his lifetime. This guy is amazing. Wow! Thanks again Carl.

JW from Hoboken

# February 11, 2006 2:06 AM

.net noobie said:

Yeah cool show, but next make sure young Mark Miller only gets DeCaf Coffee a few hours before the show, he can move pretty quickly ;)

I never have looked at the DXCore before, I have now had a little play around with it and even for a noobie, it's not to hard to see what’s happening in there, the doc's are quite good as well.

I love the Arrows and stuff like that, there really cool.

So if you made an add-in for VS.NET with DXCore are you allowed to sell it?
Or should it be given away for free?

Also are you still going to post the code from the show, or have you done it already and I just can't find it?

Thx again,
dnrTV is really cool, I love it :)

# February 11, 2006 9:01 AM

JasonF said:

One thing that wasn't covered was framework version requirements for building DXCore plugins. It looks like Mark was using VS2003 (Framework v1.1) for building the plugin, which then could be used in all of the various VS.NET IDEs.

But, can you use VS2005 (Framework v2.0) to create DXCore plugins that will work across the other IDEs?

New language features, like Generics, while not required, may make coding a little easier. For example, instead of implementing IComparable and coded all of that runtime type checking, you could have implemented IComparable<Member> and gotten compile-time type checking, etc.

SUPERBOWL!

# February 11, 2006 2:31 PM

Mark Miller said:

.net noobie:

You can give away or sell add-ins you make with the DXCore. However your add-ins require the DXCore to run, so your customers will either need to download the DXCore from our site, or you will need to work out a distribution arrangement with us (contact clientservices@devexpress.com if you need to distribute DXCore with your install).

# February 12, 2006 9:44 AM

Mark Miller said:

JasonF: You can't use Framework 2.0 to create plug-ins that work in VS 2002 and VS 2003. You need to be able to compile your plug-in in the lowest version of VS that you want to support (and they will automatically run on the higher versions of VS).

# February 12, 2006 9:51 AM

JB1 said:

I couldnt find the source code links for the show.

# February 12, 2006 5:55 PM

Duncan said:

Great show, Is there any chance that mark could do another show, there seamed to be few suggestions in the list

the shows just get better and better.

# February 12, 2006 6:42 PM

John Meyer said:

Love the TV version, the experience is so much better when you can see what's going on instead of following with the ears while the eyes wander to God-knows-what

Is there any chance the source of the DXCore plug-in will be online, it'd be a lot easier than rewatching the show to recreate it manually. thanks!

# February 15, 2006 10:04 AM

Gen said:

Hey Guys,
Does anyone know how to publish any plug-in you write to my friends?

and I don't mean the source code, I mean like in the form of install.

Thanks

# February 15, 2006 9:58 PM

.net noobie said:

Gen, I think you/they would need to place the addin.dll into this Dir.

C:\Program Files\Developer Express Inc\DXCore for Visual Studio .NET\1.1\Bin\Plugins

then they would have it, also if you want to remove a plugin you have made, all you need to do is remove it from that Dir.

Also thank you for the Info Mr Miller and also DXCore, it is really cool stuff :)

Oh and Refactor, that really rocks too :)

# February 16, 2006 8:40 AM

Sam said:

I simply love to work by Adams standards I always check the ssw website for his updated information it is very useful for me
Keep it up Adam

# February 16, 2006 10:52 AM

Mads Kristensen said:

Hey Carl. Good show as usual. LINQ is absolutely awesome. I can't wait to the final release of the hole package. It's good to be a developer, when you hear stuff like this.

# February 16, 2006 12:14 PM

Gen said:

Thanks for the help .net noobie. I just downloaded DXCore to play with it a little. But I think it has some kind of a bug I have vs.net 2005 and when I go to the devexpress menu in vs and click on user guide nothing happens and then when I try to close vs it reports an error. Did anyone have the same problem?
I can create plug-ins with no problems but I can't open up the user guide :(

# February 16, 2006 4:53 PM

mabster said:

Carl/Barry,

In the video you refer to type inference as "dynamic typing", and say that it happens at runtime.

I was sure that this is not the case; that the types were inferred at compile time by the new C# compiler by the way it was initialized.

So if you had code like this:

var s = "a string";
s = s * 3;

... would actually not compile. No runtime checking required, because the *compiler* knows that s is a string.

Can you clarify this?

# February 18, 2006 6:50 PM

MauricioC said:

I was going to point out same thing. LINQ overview at http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/future/linq/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/linqprojectovw.asp says "The var keyword tells the *compiler* to infer the type of the variable from the static type of the expression used to initialize the variable" (emphasis mine.)

I'd really appreciate if you clarified this a little bit, as this concept is really crucial to understanding LINQ. Thanks.

# February 19, 2006 8:43 AM

MauricioC said:

Using the LINQ preview avaliable at MSDN [1], I compiled the following sample code:

class Program
{
static void Main(string[] args)
{
var s = "a string";
System.Console.WriteLine(s.GetType());
}
}

And this is the output:

System.String (as expected, even if it inferred the type at runtime)

But, this is what I get in ildasm:

.method private hidebysig static void Main(string[] args) cil managed
{
.entrypoint
// Code size 20 (0x14)
.maxstack 1
.locals init ([0] string s)
IL_0000: nop
IL_0001: ldstr "a string"
IL_0006: stloc.0
IL_0007: ldloc.0
IL_0008: callvirt instance class [mscorlib]System.Type [mscorlib]System.Object::GetType()
IL_000d: call void [mscorlib]System.Console::WriteLine(object)
IL_0012: nop
IL_0013: ret
} // end of method Program::Main

So, at least in this preview, it infers the type at compile-time. Is this going to be changed for the final version?

[1] http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/7/0/4703eba2-78c4-4b09-8912-69f6c38d3a56/LINQ%20Preview.msi

# February 19, 2006 8:58 AM

vbNullString said:

Yes, Japan does have April fool. It's probably originated from America. We call it "Shigatsu Baka". I feel love for Japanese from Mondays! LOL

# February 21, 2006 3:32 AM

Erebus Bat said:

Gen

I have two machines and had the exact same problem, except it *used* to work. I was two steps away from a repave when I got into the DXCore logging.

I bet $5 you have the IE 7 Beta installed huh?

The DXCore user guide uses the ShDocVw COM APIs which have apparently been broken in the beta. Unfortunaly the only way I was able to fix it was to remove then beta then everything was ok again :).

One last thing to Gen: IE didn't want to uninstall for me, I did some searching and found the teams blog. Check out my site I posted full instructions.

To Mark: Mr. Miller, you sir are smarter than me! Ever since your DNR shows that you spoke about the developer mind set you continue to amaze me with your knowledge. You are my rockstar Keep it up!!!

# February 21, 2006 10:13 AM

JasonF said:

I think something is wrong wit the torrents. I'm getting 0 seeds on both hansel minutes 6 and the latest dnr.

# February 22, 2006 12:04 PM

Tim said:

On both DNR and Hanselminutes, the wma torrent is not Authorized. What exactly is that error? Is it a server or client problem?

# February 22, 2006 12:10 PM

Jon Galloway said:

I'm seeing that, too. I downloaded the files and tried to seed the torrents, but it said the files didn't match.

# February 22, 2006 2:02 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Hm... I restarted Azuereus after it updated itself. It's downloading another update now. I'll force a re-start on all the torrents when it is done.

# February 22, 2006 3:22 PM

Carl Franklin said:

That seems to have done the trick.

# February 22, 2006 3:33 PM

JasonF said:

Hate to nag again but the rss feed for the torrent has not been updated to reflect the new show. I manually downloaded the torrent from the home page to provide the seed.

# February 24, 2006 12:37 AM

Kimo said:

Hey Carl, what can I say? these are the best training videos ever. Thank you for providing such great value to the community.

About what you wrote in the "readme" file in the download version of this episode:

"Make sure shuffle and repeat are turned off."

you can specify to turn shuffle off in the playlist file itself (in ASX playlist). So instead of using wpl playlists which are only supported by media player 9 and higher you can use ASX playlists which are supported since media player 7.

After creating the .asx playlist for the videos open the playlist file with any text editor and put this line after the <Asx Version = "" >:
<Param Name = "AllowShuffle" Value = "no" />

for more info:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmplay10/mmp_sdk/paramelement.asp

Thanks again for the great videos.

# February 24, 2006 10:37 AM

Gary said:

Mark,

You were looking for Environment.NewLine. :)

# February 25, 2006 7:49 PM

Brian Kuhn said:

The real story behind Carl and the cheese:
http://blog.oppositionallydefiant.com/PermaLink,guid,546f3800-f590-4fec-bcc1-b66e6654915b.aspx

# February 27, 2006 11:45 AM

cometbill said:

Ooh, ooh, I'm bursting with questions for Nick Landry. Since he left
Mondays I've been dying to find out how he got on working/consulting
at (I think) that firm in New York where he kept finding reasons to go
wandering to the other end of the office so that he could catch a
glimpse of that woman he fancied. I think you should get him to make a
guest appearance on Mondays one weekand take the piss out of him again
for his lack of a love life / pitiful attempts at chatting up women
and the such like.

Anyway, on the note of mobile development, you could ask he where the
decent resources are and how I could get started in mobile .NET
development. I've got an SPV C550 (I used to have the SPV C500 which
was marketed over in the States as the AudioVox SMT 5600 or something.
I think Scoble had it at one point), and access to both Visual Studio
2003 and Visual Basic.NET 2005. My phone is running Windows Mobile
2003 second edition.

Does he recommend using VS 2003, or can I use VS 2005 with this phone ?

Does VS 2005 only work with phones running Windows Mobile 5.0 ?

Can I send SMS text messages from VS 2003 and / or 2005 ?

Can I process incoming SMS text messages from VS 2003 and / or VS 2005
? I've got an idea for a little app that would need to run based on
the results of incoming text messages that would require no
intervention from the user. Reading back through this it sounds like
I'm trying to use it for nefarious purposes, but really it's in case I
leave my phone somewhere and I want to lock it / turn it off.

Can I update the phone to Windows Mobile 5.0 ? If so where do I get
the software, roughly how much does it cost, and how do I do it ? Or
would I be better off waiting until November when my contract runs out
and getting another phone that runs Windows mobile 5.0 or whatever the
version is then ?

I'll send you more questions if I think of them. When's the deadline
to get the questions in ?

# February 28, 2006 8:10 AM

cometbill said:

Oh bollox.

I just realised this was a post about a new show, not an upcoming show announcement.

I really should start reading things before replying.

# February 28, 2006 8:19 AM

ActiveNick said:

Hi cometbill,

If you listen to the show I think you'll get a lot of answers. I use the same Smartphone as you (the Audiovox SMT5600) which I use with Cingular. I use my Treo 700w with Verizon for data only. I do not use it for voice since I already had the Cingular account. I'll use the Treo for voice once our VoIP infrastructure is completed at Infusion.

In terms of getting started with mobility, the show has a lot of good hints, and make sure you check the collection of links I have put on my blog post related to the show: http://www.infusionblogs.com/blogs/activenick/archive/2006/02/28/360.aspx. I'll add more links to it over time.

Your Smartphone is a Windows Mobile 2003 SE device and does not support Compact Framework 2.0. You can however use Visual Studio 2005 to do Compact Framework 1.0 development, which is what I recommend. When you create your project, just make sure you pick the template with the (1.0) tag.

As for SMS messages, you have a few options. If you had Windows Mobile 5.0 (which you do not on that phone) you could use the WM5.0 SDK to access the Microsoft.WindowsMobile.PocketOutlook namespace and the Pocket Outlook Object Model (POOM) using managed code, and control text messaging from there. Your other option is to use the OpenNETCF.org Smart Device Framework 1.4 which works with CF 1.0. It has a namespace called OpenNETCF.Phone.Sms which has the classes you need. It is an open-source project led by mobility MVPs and is free. You can also download the source code and use it in commercial applications. Just make sure you have a cellular plan with your carrier that has unlimited incoming SMS or else you'll pay through the nose at $0.10 per.

No, unfortunately you cannot update your phone to WM5.0. Windows Mobile licenses are different than desktop and server since it is an embedded OS that must be licenses by the OEM. It would be up to Audiovox to provide such a new device image, and then up to the carrier to make it available. Microsoft cannot do anything here since each OS image has to be customized and tested for specific devices, which is the OEM's job. I have not heard of any upgrade for the SMT5600. You'll have to get a new WM5.0 Smartphone.

It's a big problem in the mobility market as OEM's but especially wireless carriers treat $500 devices like throwaway phones. There have been a lot of internal discussions between MVPs and Microsoft mobility teams over this, and Microsoft is doing everything to make the upgrades easier for OEMs and carriers, but in the end, their (OEMs & carriers) greediness takes over and Microsoft cannot do much more.

Hope this helps.

As for my "lack of a love life / pitiful attempts at chatting up women" I guess I would have run out of stories for Mondays had I stayed since I started dating this wonderful girl around the same timeframe last year. Ask Carl, he met her once. She's a great girl and we just celebrated our first year together 9 days ago. So there you have it, take you best shot now cometboy :)

Let me know if you, or other listeners, have more questions.

Cheers!

# February 28, 2006 11:10 AM

ryan said:

cant wait to get a chance to listen to the episode, after looking at your links i was glad to see someone giving the guys over at OpenNETCF.org all the credit they deserve, seriously couldnt imagine doing mobile development without it... its funny you mention forgetting to talk about them on air, i had every intention of mentioning it when they did their road tour but blanked as well !
i think it would be awesome to hear an interview with the opennet project leaders... would make for a cool show...

# March 2, 2006 4:00 PM

ActiveNick said:

Hello Ryan,

I am glad you agree. The OpenNETCF guys are truly the unsung heroes of the Mobile .NET world. One of them in fact works with us at Infusion, Alex Yakhnin, probably one of the best developers I ever met.

I wanted to mention them on the show, but we can only discuss so much in one hour, and when we started talking about Mobile PCs, we never went back to CF. But I agree it would make a great DNR show.

So here it is folks, testimony from another CF dev: you need the OpenNETCF Smart Devices Framework!!! Go get it at www.opennetcf.org. It's free!!!

Hope you enjoy the show Ryan, cheers!

# March 2, 2006 9:32 PM

Scott Speed said:

Can we have the dnrSCREENCAST videos to support adjustable playing speed?

# March 3, 2006 4:02 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Could you tell Karen system administrators are the firefighters of IT?
And can't you force Geoff to be present? He needs to represent the voice of the disgruntled elderly youth.
Great show anyway. It's the only podcast my wife and I go to sit to listen to when the kids are of to bed (I'm trying to learn them English - we're Dutch - but not from Mondays :D ..... until they are at least 6).

# March 7, 2006 8:54 AM

JasonF said:

Hanselminutes #9 torrent has no seeds and the rss feed isn't updated.

# March 8, 2006 12:21 PM

Paul said:

Jason,

I'm seeding it now, azureus had got to 1 on the share ratio and queue the torrent. Force seeding now.
Have notice that azureus always says there are no seed though for hanselminutes, DNRTV and dot net rocks, do really understand?

Paul

# March 8, 2006 2:36 PM

Zack said:

Carl, great episode, really love the show.

Just a question really, in the third part of the demo, Brian was using the underlying dataset to hydrate a custom business object mapping row instances to object instances. I have heard you talking about wrapping a dataset, or "hanging a business object" off the dataset, was the demo a suggested implementation of that idea?

Many thanks,

Zack

# March 10, 2006 5:13 AM

Magnus said:

Kudos to you for having a great episode and being very useful! I just wish you Venkat had time to show the delegate example or if it was possible to download it.

# March 11, 2006 9:45 PM

SAmboy LIms said:

This is an excellent episode that I enjoyed a lot and love to play all over again. Thanks! Venkat is indeed a methodical instructor because he managed to soften the impact of Generics complexity on my feeble brain. My favorite is the last 1 or 2 minutes of part 2 where he comfirmed that .NET Generics implementation is indeed very much superior and as a .NET advocate, that made me smile.

# March 12, 2006 9:18 AM

Erwin Blonk said:

Mark sounded a bit under the water (sic) but otherwise a fscking great show.
I was listening with my wife sitting at the dinner table (hey, it's Mondays, where else can you listen to it) with a cuppa coffee and munchies.
I've been listening to old shows as well and I have a request: could you make Active Nick to make an occasional guest appearance (but he needs to do a bit of that Canadian French thing - like 'Les Garcons de plus idiot de mois' or 'Les Hommes vieux qui sont ne pas du tete sans pantalons dans le journal'

# March 14, 2006 5:05 AM

Chris Velazco said:

Actually, seeing as the all-important 50th show is coming up soon, it'd be really cool if you somehow managed to round up some of the Mondays alums (as weird as it sounds, I actually miss Geoff and Active Nick) and do something really awesome.

...

TRANSFORMERS!

# March 14, 2006 6:50 PM

Erwin Blonk said:

Haven't listened to it yet, but I always like security.
And it seems like Richard will be stuck with you for at least until show 200. You're a great hosting duo, so take it to show 1000 the two of you.

# March 15, 2006 5:13 PM

ErebusBat said:

Could you update the RSS feed, it is still pointing to Show #9 Venkat is Back with Generics.

# March 16, 2006 12:17 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I think I need to rewrite the way that the feeds automatically get updated. Been having problems lately.

# March 16, 2006 1:12 PM

ErebusBat said:

Looks like it is working now, came back from lunch and it was done :)

# March 16, 2006 2:05 PM

Carl Franklin said:

BT really flies when you have 20+ seeds. :-)

# March 16, 2006 2:09 PM

mabster said:

Great show, Carl, but one thing struck me as odd: With all the talk of security vs convenience, why did InfoCard never come up? Isn't security AND convenience the whole reasoning behind InfoCard?

# March 16, 2006 4:41 PM

Carl Franklin said:

Heh.. yeah. We're building up to an infocard show. Stay tuned.

# March 16, 2006 6:11 PM

MauricioC said:

Oh man, this just keeps getting better ;)

Great subject, great guest, great questions. Hearing experienced words from a TDD enthusiast is awesome, and getting some of the expertise of ThoughtWorks employees for free is double awesome. Can't wait until next week. Thanks!

Don't forget to read the blogs of other ThoughtWorks people, too: http://blogs.thoughtworks.com/

# March 16, 2006 8:30 PM

mabster said:

Awesome! Can't wait for that show!

# March 16, 2006 9:23 PM

mabster said:

We need more weeks like this where Scott has lots to say. My commute goes for about 50 minutes, so this show was almost perfect! ;)

# March 16, 2006 10:04 PM

mrpeabody said:

Yep, great show Carl and Jean Paul, and looking forward to next week. To be honest, I'm still not convinced about the value/effort trade-off regarding TDD, having never utilised it in a project.

The other thing I thought of is that Jean Paul (being a well organised and prepared presenter!) obviously knew exactly what he was going to write before writing the tests. I'd like to see an 'adhoc' problem thrown at him and see how he goes about coding the tests and getting a solution working. To me, that would be of great value.
Cheers and thanks again for a valuable series Carl.

# March 17, 2006 5:39 AM

Tester said:

How come the big players in the field of function testing tools are missing from the list? i.e. Mercury's Winrunner and Compuware's TestPartner?

# March 17, 2006 11:14 AM

Scott Speed said:

Can we have the dnrSCREENCAST videos to support adjustable playing speed?

# March 17, 2006 1:31 PM

denny said:

stating to wonder if it's me or ....

no live media now or the last time and no IRC

( IRC -- could be IE7 problem?? )

dang!

# March 17, 2006 6:33 PM

Carl Franklin said:

We've put the live stuff on hold since January until we have an engineer in house again, which should be soon.

# March 17, 2006 6:36 PM

denny said:

Ahhh....
I wish the web site said that.

( or did I miss it? )

had me thinking I was beeing black-holed from DNR Live... which would suck :-)

# March 17, 2006 8:06 PM

Jens Winter said:

Hi,
where can I get the latest version of NMock2? There are no files at sourceforge.net.

# March 18, 2006 5:05 PM

MauricioC said:

I haven't downloaded NMock2 yet, but all of the lead developers are from ThoughtWorks. Of course, ThoughtWorks people created CruiseControl.net too, so it's no surprise you can find builds at their CCnet server (accessible from http://ccnetlive.thoughtworks.com/NMock2-Builds/ ). Don't know if there are official builds of it, though.

# March 18, 2006 6:24 PM

MauricioC said:

Just a few more observations

Sources are aailable at the nmock project on SourceForge. Just check out nmock2 module or go to http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/nmock/nmock2/">http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/nmock/nmock2/

The website's sources for NMock2 are also at SourceForge ( http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/nmock/nmock2/website/content/download.html?rev=1.3 ). They mention stable builds but don't link to them yet, so I guess this is just a placeholder. They also link to the ThoughtWorks' CruiseControl.net server for unstable builds, which looks like the only option at the moment. Of course, unstable in this context means "changes a lot", not necessarily "will cause application instability/crashes".

# March 18, 2006 8:30 PM

Jens Winter said:

Mauricio, thank you very much!

# March 19, 2006 1:51 AM

Jean-Paul S. Boodhoo said:

Hey Everyone,

Thanks for the feeback. Feel free to visit my blog where I am going to post links related to the DNRTv show. I will also place a link to download the build of NMock2 that I used on the show. Currently, that build is still in the NMock2 CVS repository. I will make it available for download from my blog for convienience.

# March 20, 2006 10:49 AM

cometbill said:

Admit it Carl, Miller was funnier than you (again) and you couldn't think of any witty comebacks so you thought 'ah sod it, we'll just ditch the recording and try again next week.'

ps, how is Gretchen's foot ?

# March 21, 2006 5:14 AM

Carl Franklin said:

I've been found out!!!

Gretchen's foot is healing, but it hurts like hell, so she says.

# March 21, 2006 8:43 AM

Scott Speed said:

Watching this video was painful. It reminded me why doing TDD is usually a waste of time and counter productive.

# March 21, 2006 1:38 PM

MikeVB said:

Hope everythings ok with the family, i'll be waiting curled in a ball on my floor clutching my keyboard pressing F5 on the mondays page until next week :) Withdrawals are such a b*tch.

# March 21, 2006 4:25 PM

ben franklin said:

you never helped anyone else's loved one with diabetics... what a asswipe

# March 21, 2006 7:28 PM

Sahil Malik said:

Man ur confusin' me with all these domain names. I mean they're cool'n'all but why not just a blog on pwop?

# March 21, 2006 10:51 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I plan to use my blog for more than just my professional life.

# March 21, 2006 11:00 PM

John Marsing said:

Carl,

I use MyYahoo to look at my fav blogs but am having a problem with your new one...

feed://www.intellectualhedonism.com/SyndicationService.asmx/GetRss

If I change it to
http://www.intellectualhedonism.com/SyndicationService.asmx/GetRss

it works. whats the difference?

# March 23, 2006 1:27 PM

cometbill said:

Your ugly mug on www.dotnetrocks.com still brings us here.

cb. :)

# March 27, 2006 5:41 AM

Dennis Vroegop said:

Hope she's doing ok!

Can't wait for another episode. Since I witnessed Mark Miller doing his part live here in The Netherlands the last Mondays show, I thought I was to blame for no new episodes.

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Laurie said:

I only WISH I had all of your problems. I came from a .NET shop and preferred VB.NET, although I didn't mind C# because it was similiar to Java. I always liked Java, but thought that its biggest problem was the lack of a good IDE. Then along came .NET and C# which made that mostly moot since C# is so Java-eque.

My problem now is I transferred to a place where they are using LOTUS-FREAKING-NOTES as the application development "language". The worst part is that I can't even find any good resource arguments online to back up my claims that Lotus Notes is garbage and that we should switch to a real programming language like Java or .NET because it's like trying to make an argument in favor of using a car vs. a tricycle. The comparison is so absurd its not even necessary.

I'm still banging my head on the desk from frustration. Using Lotus Notes as an application development language is about as effective and fun as trying to build a house using a pile of toothpicks and a screwdriver. Use C# or VB.NET and count your blessings :(

# June 7, 2007 2:53 PM

happy_feet said:

Rob ...

Quote:

"

By the way - Your quote - "People that do not have downloaded from..."

A Smart sentence would have been closer to = "People who haven't downloaded from MSDN...."

"

....I agree.

Another example:

"Smart is taking a "systimatic" approach and not just "winging" it."

A Smart sentence would have read

"Smart is taking a "systematic" approach and not just "winging" it."

:-)

# June 12, 2007 5:26 AM

reema said:

hi guys;

i am a new user for web services so i wanna from u to help me to use WS file project and then run it please

# June 18, 2007 6:54 AM

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# June 19, 2007 6:16 AM

ravi said:

How u say talented developer.not event it companies

do not take B.E computer science students.

in future , software will lost everything especially in india. india is taking even diploma holder for .net.

# June 20, 2007 2:52 AM

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# July 5, 2007 12:05 PM

tim said:

before I could say anything more Mister Franklin rudely cut me off and said " i do not get involved with scams and I am truly sorry about your fiancee but if she had taken better care of her self she shouldn't of died" then hung the telephone March 20, 2006 He posted on a blog by a request by Scott Hanselman who is a diabetic andfriend of Carl to post a blog about how he is raising money for the fight againt diabetics.

# July 5, 2007 12:10 PM

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I am truly glad Mister Franklin is helping Scott Hanselman in his fight against diabetes. I guess sence my fiance was not a hot shot computer programer he did not want to donate any thing to the cause. I hope you all will donate your time and effects to this cause for Scott Hanselman.

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Take a lesson from the Mac people. They are a third rate computer company because they wanted so much control over there programming tools. MS opened there software to the world and then gave people the tools to create programs any way they wanted. The result was 10,000,000,000 programs for windows and 23.5 for Apple. So, when people went shopping for a computer they made sure it had MS OS.

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Though I think multi-point technology would revolutionize computing (education, design, gaming, and just plain old usability) I honestly don't think it will be found on a windows build for at least two more releases of Windows (8 years or so). ... so sad.

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Hi Carl Franklin,

The mics I've got are: a Studio Projects B1 (condensor mic), a Shure SM57 (dynamic) and some old Sennheiser microphones (RichtMikrofones) such as a MD 421N. Because they're really different this set-up doesn't seem a good solution for me.

What do you think about placing the SP in front of my drum about 4 feet from the kit and the Shure just above my Snare Drum?

Greetz, Brecht aka WhiteKite (FlyingWhiteKite@gmail.com)

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I'd just like to say that you and everyone else who helped make the parrot program ROCK. My family has many happy memories of us kids goofing around and laughing ourselves silly on that long-gone machine.

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