Carl Franklin

.NET Wonk

This week's .NET Rocks! - Atypical

I've had a bit of feedback on this week's show with Scott and Rory being a bit crass. I just wanted to let the good people of .NET land know that most of our shows are not like this.

There was a stretch of time when Rory was co-host in which there was more humor in the show, and much of it was low-brow. After realizing that the majority of listeners didn't really care for that, we spun off another show called Mondays in which we do the non-interview stuff. Humor, toys, geek stuff, etc., and we went back to the original roots of DNR which was interview only.

This week, when Rory came back for the first time and Scott Hanselman also joined us, we got a little silly and some rather crass jokes were made. A few people who had never heard the show before sent in some email, so I want to just address that here.

This week's show is not typical of what we're trying to do with DNR, and you won't hear shows like this in the future. We're an interview talk show for developers. Listen to shows 101-106 to get a good idea of what to expect in the future.

That said, if you are a geek with a funny bone, check out Mondays. It's a lot of fun.

Posted: Apr 08 2005, 01:29 PM by Carl Franklin | with 30 comment(s)
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Comments

Beevis said:

Get a sense of humor people, lighten up already.
# April 8, 2005 1:33 PM

Justin Williams said:

What kind of geek doesn't make crass jokes? Revoke their membership to the club.
# April 8, 2005 2:02 PM

Jim B said:

Carl,

It was a fun show, although Scott has so much going on that I can learn from - it becomes a trade-off of the comic bits vs getting a tidbit of technical information for me to follow up on.

I also like listening live - to get those extra comical bits that get edited out. It would be great if you could announce the time of the live stream at a regular place. Where is this posted?

JB
www.walkspoiled.com
# April 8, 2005 2:04 PM

Richard said:

I always thought it was more fun the old way. We developers want to learn, but also we like entertainment...

That said, for most of us there is no reason to apologize. It was cool to have things a little less serious. Rory's phopbia of germs and the thought of him in a public restroom... Priceless...

Many of us are the same people who loved <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/archive/default.asp?url=/archive/en-us/vbtv/default.asp" target="_blank">VBTV</a> (man I miss that show) and the shock and awe generated from that.

AAAHHH the happy times when everything was all too serious... IF people want serious, read a technical manual or a white paper... Me I love entertainment with brain stimulation mixed in (MMMMM... Brain stimulation...).

In short, I guess I should say that many of us enguy a good time where we can kick back and laugh but still get something meaningfull out of it (Does Rory still hate datasets? What about Typed Datasets? What about Richard?). So be serious when necessary, but be fun when you can. That's what loyal listeners loved.
# April 8, 2005 2:20 PM

TrackBack said:


Here is a reply to Carl on
his blog about the last .NET Rocks Show...


I always thought...
# April 8, 2005 2:23 PM

NJ John said:

Geez... I guess being completely accustomed to Rory's wit (and therefore impervious to shock by same) I found the show quite, well… typical! It was a treat indeed.

Now I feel like going back and taking a re-listen to try and figure out what may have offended the delicate and fragile ears of any humorless, self-serious dullard who felt compelled to complain.
# April 8, 2005 2:42 PM

Steve Markz said:

Seems like everytime Rory is in the show, somebody complains. Makes me wonder, the DNR is better better off without him.
# April 8, 2005 3:00 PM

Ian Smith said:

Sheesh. And there I was thinking that show was one of the better ones with the right balance - usefull stuff and humour too. No matter what sort of show you produced there'd always be someone who wasn't happy. Go with what YOU feel happy with otherwise you'll always be worrying about those who've complained. Personally I think you have something genuinely unique and in this day and age that's pretty rare. I'd hate to see the show become just another rather dull and self-serious pod-cast.
# April 8, 2005 3:24 PM

Sahil Malik said:

SICK SICK SICK !!

Damn I gotta hear this one !
# April 8, 2005 3:32 PM

Steve Majewski said:

What astonishes me is that people have the balls to complain. DNR is not a subscription based broadcast. We are LISTENERS not CUSTOMERS. The only people that have a right to complain are the sponsors.

That said, I think you've stumbled on an interesting Mondays bit where Rory phones in and is put someplace uncomfortable (no, not the back of a Volkswagon). Nothing like laughing at the discomfort of others.
# April 8, 2005 3:45 PM

Gary said:

Carl, what about this week's show? When are you starting the stream?
# April 8, 2005 4:53 PM

denny said:

someone was not happy....

ok, so like how do you please *everyone* ?
can't be done...

Ok you said it that the show is not going to be all potty jokes; fine.

but I do think that if one can't handle the heat then...

meant in a nice way :--)
# April 8, 2005 5:22 PM

Ian said:

I can't belive you would get complaints!
Mind you listeners for my show would be nice :)

Carl keep the show how you want it. Thats what we all like

Ian
# April 9, 2005 3:32 AM

Stefan said:

I am addicted to DNR and as a natoral born geek sometimes I need that kind of show.

You all do a great job. Keep on!
Stefan
# April 9, 2005 5:09 AM

Beorge UU Gush said:

To be honest if we really wanted to learn something we would read a book. Dot Net Rocks! is the excuse of having a laugh while to the outside world we are seriously talking about development. It's sad people don't want the humour. Not that DNR! isn't very very informative but some guy rambling on for 45 minutes about COM interop with no humour or personality is boring, I would hate DNR! to go that way. Isn't that what IT Conversations is for?

Yeah also Microsoft should bring back VBTV, I have only written < 1000 lines of VB code in my life but I still loved that showed. You don't have to be VB developer to realise that the show was genius.

It's shows like DNR! and VBTV that remind us that programming is fun!!

Keep doing what ya do Carl!
# April 9, 2005 7:49 AM

a quite, nervous, parnoid programmer said:

I liked the show. I don't think you can do anything wrong on the show. it's always great. You could host a snuff radio show with Rory as the victim and i still wouldn't be offended.

Keep up the good work :)
# April 9, 2005 3:03 PM

Carl Franklin said:

I don't think anyone was truly offended. It's just a little embarrssing when you expect to hear all tech content and you get somthing else, perhaps in a professional environment. I understand that completely. We'll never stop being ourselves, and the show will ALWAYS be fun to listen to. At the same time we will be appropriate. Again... listen to Mondays! You'll learn a few things and have some hysterical laughs at the same time.
# April 9, 2005 3:50 PM

Scott Hanselman said:

I personally don't remember saying anything crass...I will need to listen again, but any jokes I told were, I believe, totally reasonable.
# April 9, 2005 6:30 PM

Anonymous said:

Obviously people like Scott and Rory have a sense of humor, what with the video of Scott peering over a urinal and complimenting Rory's "Unit." So if there are a few fart jokes on Dot net Rocks, who cares? Just because this is MS-Centric doesn't mean it has to be personality-less. A toilet flushes, big deal. I say, bring on the bathroom stall grafiiti and the fart jokes, and if people can't develop senses of humor, they should go the way of the dinosaurs.
# April 9, 2005 9:07 PM

Anonymous said:

Obviously people like Scott and Rory have a sense of humor, what with the video of Scott peering over a urinal and complimenting Rory's "Unit." So if there are a few fart jokes on Dot net Rocks, who cares? Just because this is MS-Centric doesn't mean it has to be personality-less. A toilet flushes, big deal. I say, bring on the bathroom stall grafiiti and the fart jokes, and if people can't develop senses of humor, they should go the way of the dinosaurs.
# April 9, 2005 9:07 PM

Matthew Fortunka said:

If you take a step back from the fart jokes (which are always welcome!) and look at the tech content of that episode then it was actually very informative, in particular the css zen garden stuff, as a confirmed nested table dweller, that really blew my mind.
imho. DNR is, as always a great starting point.
# April 10, 2005 6:32 AM

Sean of Bastrop said:

Scott and Rory rock... Whiners (or girly men as Arnold would say) suck. All the shows have been great. Please keep it balanced (as I believe you always have) and take no pressure from the man. As Scott said, who else can offer such a service as Garbage collection and toilette humor in the same show?
# April 10, 2005 10:30 PM

Mark Polino said:

I'm not a developer, I'm a CPA, but even CPA's need to understand tech today (how else can we audit it and create Sarbox related IT work?!) So, I do a lot of SQL Server stuff and listen to DotNetRocks.

I love the show and found #107 to be a blast. I think I've been in that bathroom! As a group, accountants are about as stiff as they come, and if I found it funny, I can't believe geeks would complain!

Apparently coding destroys humor cells! I guess I'll have to keep listening to Mondays for a little humor.
# April 10, 2005 11:04 PM

Afshin said:

Hey Carl:

Tell us the truth man; is it really the listeners or MSFT who is complaining? So far, from 22 comments that are left on your blog, no one has said anything negative ... not even one person!

As always, keep up the great work and pass our thanks to your DNR and Mondays crew.

Thanks

# April 10, 2005 11:06 PM

Mike said:

Rory and Scott were a blast. Any one complaining needs to get a sense of humor.
# April 10, 2005 11:20 PM

Jose Luis Manners said:

Hello Carl,

I just found an old post from Roy Osherove's blog on which he was complaining about a DNR show you guys did with Jorge Oblitas (a Peruvian Regional Director). This prompted me to download the archive and listen to the show.

Regardless of Mr. Osherove's opinion (which I don't subscribe to), I just wanted to thank you for treating Jorge with the same respect you treat any other English speaking guest. After listening for several minutes I could sense that Jorge felt more comfortable talking to you because you didn’t make a big deal of his “broken” English. Yes, Jorge has an accent, so do I, so does Carl, so does Mr. Osherove. Anybody who thinks that doesn’t have an accent needs to think again.

Carl, I think that you set a good example by interviewing people from other cultures so we can all learn how other developers do things in other parts of the world. It’s time we start thinking GLOBALLY!!!!

Congrats again for a great show and for being an Equal Opportunity Show Host (EOSH).

Regards,

Jose Luis Manners, MCP
English: http://blogs.geekdojo.net/jmanners
Español: http://weblogs.golemproject.com/jmanners/

"Encuentra felicidad en tu trabajo o nunca serás feliz."
Cristóbal Colón

# April 11, 2005 2:54 PM

Terry Thibodeau said:

Personally, I loved the show. I think Rory's wit is nearly unsurpassed and always cracks me up.

I actually learned more useful things in this show than others (not to say the others weren't also useful). The CSSzengarden stuff was a mind-blower and I snagged all kinds of good stuff from Scott's blog (TaskSwitchXP and TopDesk are amazing!!)

I think a previous poster put it perfectly: we're listeners, not customers. Don't like it? Change the channel...
# April 14, 2005 1:53 PM

Kevin Daly said:

Frankly I get tired of all the delicate souls saying "I'm so glad you don't have all that silly and nasty off-colour stuff any more"
(...only I suppose I should write "off-color" so it's in an American accent).

How fragile ARE these people?
# April 25, 2005 4:18 PM

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Anyone planning to emigrate?

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