Datagrid Girl

Hi Marcie... looking forward to hearing lot's of *whacky* stuff about DataGrids :-) Welcome aboard!

welcome abaord...looking forward to your comments

We need to get you your own template :D

Yep, I'd love a pink skin! (for the blog, that is)

Congrats! We recently did one on XML in .NET at the Richmond, VA User's Group..lots of fun!

excuse me - don't you mean I code "like a woman"? <g> I still throw like a girl, though, exceptions excluded

Yeah, um, that's what I meant :)

Specialization reviewed : ISerializable

Shared Source CLI Essentials Book is out + more about specialization : ISerializable

I agree in the need for specialization. Don't chase after every dollar. The only person that can say if you are too specialized is the customer. if you are too specialized, you will know it because the customer will not pay for that one piece.

Wally

RE: You have 0 unread messages : Chad Osgood's Blog

Boy, am I glad to see you! : .NET Blog - Chris Frazier Style

if you can wait (ha ha), Acer's next model will double the processor that it currently has and render it a development machine. Just an FYI. Have you had an Acer/MS tablet pc show down there? It's only about 25% sales-y, the rest is developer-y.

Gettin' a Tablet PC! : Datagrid Girl

Ummm I wanna hear the jokes. :)

I want one! but in israel they cost pretty much like small cars... ;(

Human Compilation : HumanCompiler

lucky girl! I JUST bought my laptop in Mid-October, so it is not justified yet. My client is currently buying a bunch of heavy duty military style tablets by Kontron. You should see these things (www.kontron.com - the revolution model). Down the road Tablet PC verions as well. Maybe I'll get to play with one!

I agree the MVP is much more meaningful in my eyes. Congrats :)
-Sam

What aggregator have you used that isn't a three paned aggregator? How did you read blogs in it?

I'm new to blogging--SharpReader is my first aggregator.

ASP.NET vs. Cold Fusion : ScottW's ASP.NET WebLog

Related to GridLayout, I hated this too. Right click on your project in VS.NET, goto Properties, open Common Properties, goto Designed Defaults, change Page Layout to Flow. Any new files you create within the project will now default to Flow layout. Would be better to have a global setting...

Two VS.NET ASP.NET tweaks : IDunno

vstudio and blutter : Andy Smith's Blog

Yay! Another TextPad user. =) (did you know that TextPad 5.0 is going to be written (AFAIK) in C#?)

Living in VS.NET on a laptop that will only do 1024x768 (work issue, not my choice), I share your real estate pain too. Two options: Auto-hide all the windows or Shift-Alt-Enter to go into Full Screen mode.

hth,
Nino

DataGrids do indeed suck, oh DataGrid girl, Mistress of Methods, High Priestess of Postbacks, Vixen of Viewstate.

I think the only thing that they're good for is the in-place editing of records. For everything else, I tend to use a repeater control so I can have _exact_ control over the html (I like valid markup... call me crazy).

Things like paging can be duplicated anyway. In fact, I think they should, because you wouldn't want to be pulling down all 5k records of data just to display 20, and as long as you're doing a custom stored proc to grab just 20, you might as well just write your own pager... they tend to lend themselves well to reuse anyway.

P.S. I liked your rant about VS.NET... you seem to have the ear of some M$FT folks... tell them to come out with a version that supports VALID HTML/XHTML. And while they're at it, how about a automatic formatting mode that _just_ does indenting, instead of destroying my markup, taking out my end slashes out of singleton elements (BR, IMG, etc.)?

Maybe you should come over to the side of XSLT generated tables using the Xml from the dataset!!! Its nice and sunny on this side.

Datagrid Girl

Thumbs down from Datagrid Girl : Web Service Guy

I honestly did not put it in as a copy, but now that I know, I guess you can't argue with an authority on DataGrids. :-)

Happy DataBinding()...

Ben

My biggest bitch is that the templating only lets you do columns and does not allow for splitting table tags up - I like the repeater better because if i want to put a table tag in the header and the row tag in the item template and table close in the footer, it lets me :)

I am jealous. I really wanted to go, but too much work and not enough personal funds to send myself.

Hi
Im working with Visual Studio.NET.
Using ASP.NET/VB.NET.

I need to build form that will show each time different results (fields) in a datagrid.(I have 3 different SQL queries)
The datagrid will contain BoundColumns,HyperLinkColumns, TemplateColumns (text boxes), Validators. And a lot of hidden fields.
My questions is, because the DataGrid suppose to work each time with different fields, should I build 3 different datagrids (I have 3 types or results) or 1 dynamic datagrid?

After you answer me, if you please can send me a url that explain how to do that.

Thanks a lot!!

IMO, the datagrid is great for quick side projects and admin tasks...

I recently had to write a grid like control for work. Very similar to the datagrid except it works it supports a couple of different formats (master detail), comes pre-built to sort and page (without jamming all of the extra stuff into viewstate) and can be populated by just setting a property to our custom reporting object.

The datagrid is a great example of what can be done with ASP.NET controls...you just have to implement them.

The repeater is by far the most helpful control. The entire blogging application is built off of repeater...they are everywhere :)

Come over and check out WindowsForms development, the water's just as cold over here, especially in the area of the DataGrid ;)

I want to be there...Damn FNIS!!!!

Jesse Ezell Blog

Paul Wilson's .NET Blog

I'm a HUGE Textpad fan also. There are so many simple things that VS could learn from that program. Like block select mode, fill block and quick highlighting a word and using ctrl-f/ctrl-shift-f to jump around. I think the think that bothers me the most in VS is that if you hit ctrl-c with nothing selected, it will copy nothing and wipe your clipboard. What use could that possibly be, aside from driving you crazy.

Nothing wrong with that. I would do the same.

Kent Sharkey's blog

Perhaps I should just post his # on my blog, that would make it easier for anyone who wanted to find him... I'm sure he'd thank me.

go Marcie
it's your Birthday
go Marcie
it's your Birthday

ok it's not your birthday but I wanted to get in on the party mood :)

some of the rest of us wanna be in the community gallery too ;)

Kidding? I thought that was the most flattering part!
:-)

Why exactly did you do that?

HumanCompiler

I think the whole pay for support idea from developers is hurting the community. Hide you source, don't hide your brain.

This is why I created ASPMessageboard.com. A number of the questions I get per day, I simply respond, "Ask it on the ASPMessageboard." That's what online forums are there fore, after all.

Code/Tea/Etc...

Datagrid Girl

Marc LaFleur's Blog

Marcie I have a look at Chris Pirillo page.
I don't want to be rude, but the picture of a guy stand up full page on the site asking for money is a bit obscene for me.

It would be better for him to have a picture of a datagrid in action than him ;-).

He could also look like a beggar, please I am a starving consultant, give me some cents (european)

Marcie,

Unless you posted your email address on your Web site with a request to "send all your datagrid questions to me, and I'll answer them free of charge, no matter how complicated they are", you should not feel guilty for either deleting them, or requesting that the emailer ask the question in a public forum.

If a question comes to your personal email address unsolicited, you are under no obligations to answer it, politely or not. And I don't think it's rude to direct someone to a public forum (even if they might interpret it that way) since you're providing them with the best chance to get answers not only to their current question, but to future ones as well.

I think the simplest answer is:

"Marcie doesn't scale well.

ASPAdvice/ASP.NET Forums/etc. scale much better.

Please ask your question there." :-)

Not mean or rude. Just the truth.

Your lucky you have a nickname. I have to fight with a PGA Golfer with the same name.

HumanCompiler

I've heard google has annouced plans for a blog search tool, so if that's the case then I don't think it's so bad.

A bit like when they acquired Deja.

How do I get a PR coordinator? Pretty cool.

Send it back to the individual about, 1000 times and fill their box!

Was it with good reason? or just stupid kid stuff?

Why people insult you? It's senseless

Bye

Lawrence

Yah, I'm curious of the reason myself. Can't say I've gotten one in a long time. The one I got was from a guy bitching because I wouldn't help write his software for him for free. It was actaully really funny and I made sure to send it to every friend I had to watch out for him on the forums! ;)

In my earlier days, I sent a nasty email to someone.
The way they got back at me was brilliant and taught me a great lesson - they replied tactfully but cc'd my management.
This made me look like a real moron (and I was)

Good luck.

...Andrew

Hey Marcie be careful you can talk only about .Net here. I don't know say for example that the guy use an ecommerce website done with .Net and he give you a sample of the result, flavor Ben&Jerry ;-))

Cookie Dough? Bleg. Too chewey and salty and not enough Ice-cream. Chunky Monkey, Chubby Hubby, now THERE'S something that'll blow away the .NET blues.
J.

mmmmm....NEW FLAVOR? Must try!!!!

I'm a "Half Baked" kinda guy! :D

Marcie that look awesome !

I ,ove the second point, but I don't understand the first one ?!?

did you see something like Edit and Run ?

And for the previous blog, don't worry, I love Icecreams ;-)

I sent you an e-mail today? Ooops -- sorry ;)

Datagrid Girl

hey Marcie -- check out the generic Safeway Select ice creams. They have a line of Edy's Dreamery knockoffs. mmmmmmmmm.....

And if you're into toppings: Mrs. Richardson's makes a butterscotch-caramel flavor that is incredible.

brownie batter=good.

-Rachel

Jim Meeker

Don't let a rotten email get you down. I get so many (because of my .Net evangelism work on pro-W3C lists) that I've become numb to them.

DonXML

I couldn't hold myself back when I read this post...

Theres two new sets of controls - DataBound controls like the new Grid and DataSource controls like the Sql one. With data sources being controls, theres finally room to do something intelligent - automatic binding, editing etc. And then there are parameter objects to pull values into data sources from other controls, the query string etc. at the right time. DataBound controls can talk to any DataSource control. Well, almost... but in any case no code required... just declarative markup!

Hope to share more soon ;-)

Publish them... we're in for a good laugh.

I post it om my blog and I go off on a rant :)

Springfield : DOH ! ;-))

Kansas City is only 150 miles north :).

Say hi to Apu for me. Have a safe trip:)

<b>test</b>

That what I thought. Why no bold or italics or href's in the comments?

I have to agree with it not being the people charging. As for emails well that one is a big topic. Your more gentle on them than I am. If I can answer the issue right on the spot then I generally do otherwise I try to point them to a good list or two. The biggest problem I find with people sending emails for help is that they have spent no effort to actually find the answer them self. They don't know the answer and expect someone to write the code for them instead of just taking the concepts and working from there. Guess that's just a pet peve of mine. Anyway, love the site and love the blog (just found it from a link on someone elses blog).

.Avery Blog

Julia Lerman Blog

JPerry - Blog of the Mundane

Jason Tucker's Blog

"Texas Yankee"

I thought the cake was great. Rich, but not too sweet. Ya'll chicks just want it all sweet!

I agree, I didn't care for the mock-raspberry center too much. Nothing says lovin' like some twinkee's and ho-ho's though..

I agree too, the cake was pretty bad. Reminds me of a rasberry flavored ho-ho, and not in a good way.

I loved the cake. I totally agree with Paul Wilson on this one.

Terrible cake. I can still taste it. Yuck. :)

SUCKED!!
Sorry

Datagrid Girl

To tell the truth, I very rarely use datagrids - basically only when I need a templated column. I tend to almost exclusively use Repeaters with OnItemDataBound modification where necessary. I find that the Paging functionality for DataGrids at present is clunky - I tend to use Repeaters with T-SQL stored procedures - it's much faster and a lot more scalable. Can't wait until the V2 stuff comes around, expecially looking forward the the SQL responsive ASP.NET caching stuff which is planned.

I don't take exams at TechEd because I focus on learning as much as possible, networking and not burning out. I get pretty burned out taking exams, so the 50% discount isn't compelling for me.

I gotta get me some DataGridGirl buttons. I have three Geek Chicks at home (they don't wanna be called geeks, but the oldest codes HTML directly because "its easier than using FrontPage...").

Also, they should have a future session on blogging with .Net. I'm running Blogger and MoveableType and would run .Net if I had a road map...

The cake smelled like Krylon.

I was afraid to taste it, but my buddy said it tasted worse.

One of they guys I'm here with said it was OK if you pulled the chocolate-plastic covering and rasberry goo out; I thought that was too much work.

A disabled checkbox is a nice way to display a boolean column.

Say hi to Amy for me - Long time no see!

Beautifully succinct! Thanks for the link, Marcie. If only the legal types would approve that...

Kent Sharkey's blog

I mostly meant that it rocked to have wireless connectivity.... but on the whole, if I stay in the lounge areas, I've had fast enough connections to pull a SQL database across on the first day and do a bunch of remote desktop stuff on all of the other days....

I think it's the escalators that are making it suck (the wireless, that is).

I was in a 3xx level MSF session that asked "is everyone familiar with the framework?"; about three people raised their hands and we spent an hour going over the circle of death...they shouldn't even ask a question like that.

It wasn't just the wireless network that had problems. It was frustrating to use the wired systems in the Internet Cafe as well, with big blocks of time where you couldn't get outside the conference network. DNS seemed to be a big problem yesterday afternoon (at least for me). Thankfully the wireless connection and DHCP issues seemed to go away after a couple days.

The wireless and wired networks at MEC last year in Anaheim seemed much more stable. Of course, a lot more people have portable devices now than last year, so I'm sure that didn't help.

those who use blogrolling.com find it very handy, I believe. I use the daily crawl script, which runs on my server -- does being hosted limit what you can do?

"do you really care who I read" -- those who you read might care that you are reading them. I added a blogroll to my page because I realized that, though I read many weblogs, they might not know it since I was using Dan Sanderson's blogtracker.

So didn't you run into me?
Just checking....
Ben.

Ok. That does it. I'm selling my Datagrid Girl Button on ebay.

(Julie needs to buy one anyway).

:)

Hey, that was me :)

Glad I could make someone smile.

Does anyone happen to remember what products & prices were being sold at the "Wireless Store"? IIRC it was a Cisco 350 card and a Cisco ??? AP... but the details are fading fast. Sadly, I returned home to find my current AP failed so I need a replacement.

Awww, come on! When you say Datagrid Girl, it rolls off the tongue like Alphabet Man, Dr. GUI, or Captain XmlReader! Hey I like that name...maybe I'll use it. Or should it be The Amazing XmlReader? :D

I suppose it's better than WonderGrid Woman...

I ran into you too :)

Did I actually write 'Alphabet Man'? Whoops! Of course, I meant Letter Man, as in 'faster than a rolling O'. I bet he could sort strings faster than System.Array.Sort() too!

Paul

Same for me. This feature is really changing my blog reader's experience. It was decisive in my choice to switch from Syndirella.

Hi Mrs. Robillard, I think that "Filter" is better than "Search" cause its a filter indeed. It allows you to filter on the content. But "Search" is not so bad ;-)

Have a nice day

Huh. Reading that post again, I was a bit too harsh. I should have mentioned that I totally love the show, just that episode was a bit um, redundant.

Mark figured out that he was talking about Jorge's show. I missed that.

We are always open to criticism. That's totally ok with us. In fact, we invite it! Controversy makes for more interesting shows!

Our blogs are coming!

Nice one!
I've used their older wireless mouse(which looks a bit similar to yours) a few years ago.
Very cool. I've been a logitech fan ever since.
You won't find any MSFT mouse on my desktop.
In fact, on my blog picture, if you look closely, you'll see I use the Logitech Optical MouseMan+, which was *the* mouse a couple of years ago, and still works just as good as the day I bought it.
*kudos* on a great choice.

I can relate to both of you. I work all day on my computer and still enjoy it at night.

Faster Than a Rolling 'O'
Stronger Than Silent 'E'
It's A Word, It's A Plan
It's...

David Letterman!

So...

Who do you think would win in a fair fight DataGrid Girl OR Wonder Woman?

DGG vs. Wonder Woman:
I think Wonder Woman would win a fist fight; however, I would rather have DGG on my team if I were trying to take over the world.

Take Over The World:

No way...that is absolute HORSE HOCKEY! DGG would definitel be kicking ass and taking names!

First of all, Wonder Woman must be at LEAST 156 years old by now. Think about it man! I mean, Osteoperosis has all but calcified her skelatal structure to the point of paralysis. Even with the braclets AND the plane (no weapons) she couldn't possibly overcome the sheer tenacity of a hard-line coder.

Of course...

The Lasso of Truth has various interesting possabilities in-and-of itself.

That's too scary to be funny :)

C'mon Andy--you know it's funny :)

sirshannon--You think I care? :)

dgg

*sigh*

Sorry Marcie, I really didn't want to start a thread that lead to an image of Datagrid Girl in a catfight with Wonder Woman. In my post, I was trying to make a statement about superheroes existing outside of comic books (e.g., Dr. GUI), not compare you to a comic book character dispite what you said.

Paul

Datagrid Girl

YA' KNOW GREG...

Since Paul is being such a wussy. Who do you think would win in an all out fight, DataGrid Girl or Wussy Man?

Hello!
I Think you are a gooz girl;) DataGrid Girl...
:D i have lots of problems with you!!! :D become DataSet!!! Have fun

Sounds quite common, I've done it before too. ^^;;;

There was this time I was working on a website and the only real way of keeping myself awake was to IM people...

I was up until 1:30 last night and I actually turned on i.m. to see if you were up!!

Kirk Allen Evans' Blog

WELL ROBALOB...

Being a woman, DataGrid Girl has the power of birth behind her. As such, she would definitely have much more fortitude than an emasculated Gelding such as Wussy Man. Furthermore, this assumes Mr. Daddy-Day-Care actually has the time to take-off his apron and leave the kitchen (those dishes need cleaning).

Of course, this assume that Wussy Man is actually male (transgendered maybe?).

I think Miladkdz just has problems in general... :)

How do I get on this sell Paul gravy train? ;-)

Bourbon works for me

Ugh, why does everything have to have a seedy motive. I've seen the extensive source Paul's put out and it's a great buffet of random odds and ends that have a lot of usefulness. And I'll also vouch for Marcie's just being good-natured, helpful soul. :)

Thanks for raising my exposure!

Of course, its also really gotten Wally a little perturbed, so its really worth it.

Ummm... I think I meet those critia!! ;-)

OK, do my spelling skills count against me?? :-)

Critia = Criteria

Cool. Not often we here of people coming down to New Zealand.

See you down here.

When TechEd Dallas ended, I didn't really think doing the other locations would work, but I'm starting to get more ideas on how to handle the other locations as well as requests from people to cover their location. So here we go!

What we will probably do is combine the remaining TechEds into one list (archiving the Dallas and Europe into their own). We'll provide some indication of which TechEd(s) the blogger is attending. Should be fun!

If you have any ideas let me know. This is all being driven by requests and comments from the IT/Developer community, which is great!

> and don't really know anyone in that
> hemisphere

Not to worry, Marcie. Aussies are soooooo welcoming that you won't feel left out. Trust me. That stated, keep an eye out for any of the following individuals while you're in Australia:

Adam Cogan (SSW, Sydney .NET User Group, RD) - Sydney
Damien Watkins (Project 42, Guru) - Melbourne
Dan Green (Monash.NET, SDNUG, Guru++) - Sydney
Dr. David Bennett (Monash.NET, Guru) - Melbourne
Charles Sterling (Microsoft, Totally cool dude) - Sydney
Chris Hewitt (Monash.NET) - Melbourne
Mitch Denny (Monash.NET, MDNUG, Totally nice guy) - Melbourne
Nick Weinholt (SDNUG, Guru++) - Sydney
Nigel Watson (Microsoft, Super nice guy) - Melbourne
Pf. Christine Mingins (Monash.NET, Guru) - Melbourne

Each and every one of these people are big-time .NET experts and are super, super nice.

--

MDNUG = Melbourne .NET User Group
SDNUG = Sydney Deep .NET User Group

While they're at it, they should get RUUUUUUUBENNNNNNN, too! :)

Gravy chain is my favorite Cat Steven's song. No, wait, that's Peace Train.

ISerializable

HumanCompiler

Jim Meeker

you bet! It's a loooooong number, but they're numbered! :)

What part of Illinois?

Datagrid Girl

I feel a lot better *now* :)

Good, I was getting worried about you :)

No, sorry, I don't name my computers! ;)

> Anyone game for writing such an app??
Why don't you write it?

Why are people suddenly so stubborn about typing text all day? If you look at how many typo's you make in a day, you can only come to the conclusion that it would be great if you could have another method of creating sourcecode, or better: telling the computer what to do, because sourcecode is just another state of functionality. Developers shouldn't think in sourcecode, but in functionality, then it will be clear that code generators eventually will evolve in generators of ready-to-roll executable programs.

Perhaps my memory is a bit rusty...
care to refresh it?

I IM'ed James Avery the same thing.
But he is back now, so if the pattern holds he will be gone again in a couple of weeks. Damn MS!

-Scott

Well, if you look at it in context, Dave took his site down on purpose and put up a "poor me" letter to try to make himself feel better. Dave was trying to make everyone realize how bad the world would be without him. THAT's the egomaniacal part.

The difference in other situations is that, if your website stopps working on accident, your world DOES fall apart. It's an important thing. No one else may care, but it's important to you.

what is fasinating to me is his anger at Aaron Swartz and saying how he has treated him poorly.

Its seems like whatever pronoun is at the end of his sentence gets the blame :-)

I think Marcie (and Scott) are referring to another prominent community member who used a similar tactic. Those who were around know who they're talking about, and those who weren't...let's just say it ain't worth getting into all over again.

On the subject of ego and websites, well...I'm not nearly egomanical enough to think that very many people cared when all my sites were down most of this month thanks to my DSL fiasco, but it's still a bummer to me, since I keep hoping that one of the sites might occasionally bring someone to me who's looking to have some work done. Not that I'm desperate for work or anything, but it would be just my luck that someone with a major need to fill would arrive at my site just in time for a major outage. ;-)

I believe the blogs from MS guys are only aiming to give some human touch. That's IMHO the next way to sell products to the masses. No information on the blogs should be taken for granted, though.

The built in DataGrid absolutely stinks in WindowsForms today and there are many 3rd party ones that rock...that being one of them! :D

I was wondering if you have looked at the grids from ComponentOne and Infragistics and what you thought of them. Specficially, which features you feel makes the GridEx a better grid. I have used the ComponentOne FlexGrid since VB6 and have really liked although there .NET version seems a bit ported. The Infragistics Grid does not have support for unbound mode so it's a loser until they fix that. I'm curious just because I have looked into them all and I find that ComponentOne offers the most wide ranging support of features that I need although maybe not all of the GUI look and feel that Janus does. Thanks.

Steve Presley

I've had the 2003 beta for a while - it's actually worth something. The HTML still can't compete with dreamweaver (a lot better than before), but it's great for management and general stuff (updates, a new page here & there, etc)!

--Brian Desmond

Well said. I took the required trip to meet the ASP.NET team last October and they made me feel like I belonged even though the rest of the group consisted of well-known speakers and authors and such. It just blows me away to see the level of community involvement that these guys really really want and that they give back themselves.

Hey Marcie,

There's only one "c" in my last name ;)
Very good points :).

-Robert

Doh! Sorry about that!

you could try it out on your web site photo... paint a soul patch then take a poll. :)

I agree it is a good idea to include your name in your blog title. I even have it in my blog URL. ;-)

Thanks for the geek link love ;)

Jerry Dennany's Occasional Clue

Good luck! I will be taking the test in the next couple of months as well, but on my companies dollar.

Since you've got your VB6 MCSD, you can automatically get a voucher for 70-300. That lowers the price by $125. Details are on the MCP Secured site.

I just take all the tests while they are in beta, usually easy if you are already a certified MCSD, which makes it free and then you are the first one certified too!

I'll attend if you teach a 5-day class on the REPEATER! Just kidding :) Congrats on doing DotNetRocks.

Cool. I had lunch recently with Mark -- he seems like a great guy. I'm in Atlanta if you're looking for a lunch when you're down south.

Excellent, congratulations, Marcie! :)

Julia Lerman Blog

For what it is worth, I enjoyed hearing Kate Gregory at TechEd this year, I thought she was a much better presenter than %50 of the men I heard from.

Amanda Silver of Microsoft's VB.Net team and Kimberly Tripp the DB authority are high on my list of speakers.

I'm glad to hear that Kate Gregory is getting a lot of praise. I had been fortunate to hear her many times before my move south when she spoke regularly at Canadian MSDN events. I got used to her presentations and have to say that many speakers I have heard since do not measure up! Does she blog?

l just got my tablet and got the crossword app, but it doesn't work! What a bummer!

xL8 - Grant Carpenter

Congratulations! I can't say I am surprised you made it...

Awesome, congrats! :) Study tips? ;)

Congrats Marcie. Why didn't you take the exams during their beta periods? They were all free and I passed 5 exams in about 9 months. You had to be an MCSD already but, that was about the only requirement.

Congratulations!!!

Congrats. I had the same observation about that test. Much of the stuff they covered was not so much on the obscure side, just stuff I wouldn't normally come across. I'm on to the WebService exam next.

HOP...HOP...HOP... this is the Datagrid kangaroo ;-)

Enjoy your Aussie trip !

Have fun! Make sure to give Mitch Denny and crew my regards!

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! :-P

Enjoy your time in the Land of Oz!

Good luck...you'll do well! :D

Best of luck Marcie. You'll love it down-under. My parents and sister live near Brisbane which is heaven-on-earth! Just don't expect people to be hyper like Americans; they are SO laid back!

I asked one shopkeeper what time they opened in the morning and was told that it depended on how the surf was. "Probably by ten" was the best I could get..

Wow James, sounds like my kind of place! :D

Late, but I should officially thank Marcie for not publicly slamming me and my complete lack of ability to hook up with some of my old MVP pals who were around for this.

That's showbiz for you :-)

Now don't miss us out. We are looking forward to your talks in NZ as well.

I'm sure both the Aussies and Kiwis will enjoy your sessions.

The whether in Brisbane has been great lately. Unfortunatley I can't attend Tech-Ed year (because I have a project that is nearly due) but I will be attending the "preview" on Sunday. I resent the generalization that people in Brisbane are all laid back. It's 11:00 AM and I've had 2 cans of Red Bull already, with 2 more in the fridge for "later" (which is twice the reccomended daily limit). The way I figure it, they don't count if you finish them before you get back to your desk :) .

It shouldn't be that hard to find it, since I remember reading somewhere that most people in Auckland got their wallets back. =)

Ah, that's a relief :)

Say Hi to Wayne Small [fellow SBS MVP] who is at/speaking at Tech Ed.

You should demo an RSS feed into DataGrids, just an idea, or an XSLT vs. DataGrid :) (just kidding). Good luck with your presentation.

Hope your presentation goes well!

Well I'm new to blogging, but I've signed up for Tech Ed Bloggers in NZ.

See you next week.

yes yes more females in more places, that's how it was meant to be! And ASP.NET is for women! so i'm going to attend TechEd now!

Yes...

I agree you're a procrastinator, but then so's Eli ;)

TTFN - Kent

Interesting rules. I read a number of them, and while some are very good, I disagree with a few (but I guess anyone's bound to find a few out of ~60 rules they disagree with).

An RSS feed would be nice, assuming he's going to keep updating them.

Don't worry, Marcie. You won't throw up. You might *feel* like you're going to throw up, but you'll get over that. ;-)

You'll do great.

LOL too funny :-)
Thanks, DGG, I'm sure you'll do great! I'm hoping to finish early, actually, so I can catch the end of your talk. Good luck!

Any idea what line to use for Dim myRow when are are binding from a ListDictionary?

jraezer@yahoo.com

Guess what - she didn't throw up. Heard she did a fine job, too. :-)

Why are they called nosebleed seats?

And congrats on pulling off your talk. :-)

Oh I see, thanks DGG!

We don't normally get exposed to those kinds of slang over here in Singapore. :-)

Congratulations, Marcie! :-):-):-)

See? I *told* you you wouldn't throw up.

:-D

Now you get to feel the same thing *next* week, too! Woohoo, isn't it fun speaking? (the answer, of course, is you bet!).

Awesome, Marcie...congratulations! :)

Hi Marcie, you are sure right about Brisbane being a beautiful city.

I worked in Brisbane for a couple of years in the tall white building to the right of the tallest blue-ish building in that picture. (The blue-ish building is where the Microsoft offices are.)

{Still looking at that picture } I used to catch the morning bus to SouthBank and take the bridge across the river to where you can see those trees there. There's a great walking path through there that leads you through a mangrove swamp-like area. From there you can walk up through the Botanical gardens, past Microsoft and into work.

It was a great way to start the day off; it was novel seeing all of the wealthy stockbrokers arriving to work on their boats :-)

We spent our honeymoon in Australia(Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.) It is definitely a country which you can fall in love with. We would go more often if it was not so far away.

Really lovely to have heard you and met you. A real URL personality without a web cam! wow!

You have inspired me to look long and hard at datagrids if I can get past Infopath!

Glad you had a nice time. Come again.

David.

Nice pictures! =) If everything goes well, I'll be going to Sydney next year for a debating tournament, and will drop by Brisbane and Perth on the way there.

(I'm just curious why this post isn't in pink though like the others! &lt;g&gt;)

Oh stay away from Adam, he is bad news. :)

whoa... this is a VERY strange looking post when the RSS is viewed in SharpReader.

Isn't it a good sign if the one and only authority in DataGrid controls is referring to my article ;)

Thanks a lot, Marcie!

"somebody" reads your blog? Marcie, you're my hero;)

Great pictures, thanks for posting.

"stop whining and learn to read another language. It will be good for your soul, and your career.”

Could go both ways.

Could go both ways for many people on dotnetweblogs

That's the whole point--BOTH C# and VB people should be able to read the other language, it just makes life so much simpler.

> That's the whole point--BOTH C# and VB people should be able to read the other language, it just makes life so much simpler.

Well sort of. The whole point is that 90% of the syntax in *either* language is BCL or CLR stuff so the CLR language is irrelevant. I have been saying this for over 2 years now and people just don't want to get it. If you can read VB.NET you can read C# and vise versa because most of the code is BCL calls (like System.Console.WriteLine for instance). Its WriteLine no matter what the CLR language is. When people get to "Its the Runtime Stupid" and finally accept that, then they will get somewhere.

Hi Jesse, in my case using an IE behavior wasn't "lame", as it's for an IE-only application.

It's good to see that Marcie's taste in articles is as good as her taste in husbands. [grin].

I readily acknowledge the criticism against HTC's, but I also will point out that I specifically stated in the article that the htc could be a limitation.

Re: a "lame" approach and I should have created a custom web control, I fully agree that this kind of thing is an excellent candidate for a custom control. However, my purpose wasn't to write a treatise on web controls, but to show how to solve the scrolling problem. Now that the technique has been shown, I freely grant permission to anyone who wishes to incorporate it into a custom control and write an article that shows how to do it. But for myself, I have found that StrengthTechnologies excellent "SmartScroller" has already done that.

Say "hello" for me. I am from Tulsa originally (though, haven't lived there in almost 10 years).

Cool! I'll tell Tulsa you said "hi" :)

Thanks :) As if they know/remember me. Back then, I was doing straight C/C++ (in DOS and early Windows, no less!).

To put it in context, however, that article is at least a year old (it's (c) is 1998-2002) and some of the links contained therein are from 1998 (5 years old!)

That's a long time for things to change.

That's not to say the article isn't rediculous (it is), or that it isn't misleading. Just trying to point out that it's an old viewpoint.

Coolness!
Congratulations :)

Congrat Marcie! It's cool!

Strange, I constantly hear these complaints about MS software not working, and for the most part I don't see it. I have used Windows for years now and don't have the issues with it that others seem to. Maybe I am using it incorrectly . . . ;P

Dear Marcie

I am quite interested in applying for this job, but I am currently based in Melbourne, Australia. I am looking at moving to the US.

I have about 6 yrs experience as a Software Engineer and IT Architect. I have been doing a lot of work in ASP.NET, WebServices and WinForms for the past 2-3 yrs.

If this position is open to overseas candidates, I would really appreciate if you could pass on my contact to the relevant recruiter.

Contact Details:
Nitesh Khanna
nitesh_khanna@yahoo.com
(+61) 412 802 940

By the way, I love your website and have got a good information from it over the years. Thanks for the help :-) .. Keep it up !

Regards,
Nitesh

You should add this to the DataGridGirl.com Web site FAQ list, if you haven't already.

Cheers.

Good idea, Scott, I think I will.

I don't know why people pick so much in Microsoft. If there are really that many people that don't like Microsoft products, how come its apps are still the ones used in a majority of businesses anfd homes. If the "free" software/ apps are as good as people said they are, how come those are not the ones being used by the masses.

Just my point of view.

Congrats and have another great year!

-Scott

Congrats!; yet I am curious about the "logistical issues" ...?

Congratulations! Many more...

Congrats on your first. See you in Atlanta soon.

I love that area. Its especially nice at night when they light up the cliffs. You wouldn't happen to have any you could post could you? :)

Hey, I was just in Tulsa this last week, and attended the OK City .NET Users Group to see Carl Prothman speak. Keep it up girl.

Congratulations, Robilliards!

-Christopher

I have a strange problem with the datagrid I'm using. I have created my datagrid Non-dynamically, and it works. The only problem is that when I'm in VB.NET, and I have the aspx file open, if I click on the "Design" tag, and then go back to the "HTML" tag, all my HTML and ASP code dissapears! My entire datagrid just goes up in smoke, the code just isn't there anymore.

Why would VB.NET do that? Any idea?
(trueneutral@hotmail.com)

So, does this year get the AlternatingItemStyle??? Congrats :)

Wow, I can't believe it's now been a year. Here's hoping the next is even better than the first!

how do you spell ?.......(pafait)

Try DevGuru.com. Great stuff :)

Using Infopath as my blog editor of choice now - but it has taken a bit of script to fulfill the the dream.

Some things that looked like they should 'just work' didn't e.g. posting Rich Text Content to an Xml Web Service receiving XmlNode parameters.

Infopath SDK helped and Joel Alley in PSS rocks!

Hi Marcie,

I'm a big fan of yours. (Only work related, I know you are married ;-)

I've been visiting your website regularly, since I listened your intgerview on dotNetRocks. I was really interesting and I already bought some of the books you recomended.

I have a couple of questions: first, how did you get your our blog site inside weblogs.asp.net? I don't seem to find a way to enroll myself. Do I need to contact someone?

Regarding the Certification Exam 70-305, what training method did you use? I'm going to guess you trained yourself, so I'd like to know what books and related material did you use.

Congrats on passig the 70-305 test!!!

Thanks in advance.

Lisandro

check out www.dynamicdrive.com

<sniff>....once upon a time I WAS the DHTML reference :-(. We used to call that site the "Web Workshop" and, being on the Internet Explorer Client Development support team, we had great times discussing margins vs spacing, and various other interpretations of those HTML specs. Ah, those were the days.....

And personally, I always reccomended WROX...back then they were still great resources.

ilove your porty i love to read it every day

are you there

6AM and jogging. 2 things that most definitely don't belong together :)

Congrats to you both. I wish you both a long and happy marriage.

Stanley

You know I hear things about how microsoft does not play fair and uses "Strong-armed tactics" and "shady tactics" to further it's market shares, but what no one wants to answer is:
What major coroporation does not use "Strong-armed tactics" and "shady tactics"? Are you saying that Citi, Cisco, Intel, McDonalds, etc all play fair? Do none of these or any other corporations not do the same things? But I'll bet you still purchase things from them or use their services. The list above is just a small list of places I pulled off the top of my head. There are thousands more that play the same way.

Think about cable companies. When you move into an area that has say Time Warner cable you pay for the hook-up and watch their channles. But who else can you get to provide your service for cable? No one. You could of course get Satellite but then you have to make sure you can put up the dish and if your in an apartment you can't. But if you push the cable company they will eventually tell you that you can get service from anyone you wish. Oh but one fact they don't tell you is that that company can't use their lines.

But then no ones bitches about the cable company until their network connection is down or their cable goes out. It's not a monopoly until it affects you, right?

Yeah but when are you coming down to Tampa, FL?

i think this snippet of code would be a lot more helpful if you more of the code, including declaration of delegates and how to iterate through the items in your item_created eventhandler. arrRec is never defined and it's difficult to understand why you're doing that without more information.

thanks!

Fellow Programmers,

Do not spend/waste your time in this discussion. These criticisms are totally biased.

No body ever questioned sun for bringing OMG into picture when OSF/DCE already exists.
No body bothered about copycat naming conventions such as JSP, JDBC, JDO etc.

Those who know even a bit of statistics and finance, do not dare to criticize charities of Gate's foundation as tricks to increase its marketing.

All these companies play political/litigious tricks and follow the age old rubbish rule: If you can not become an angel, be a devil so that you can be noticed.

In case you really are wondering about the chicken/egg issue, the egg came first.

How much Robert paid you for some some nice advertising ;-)

Oh my gosh! You said something nice about Robert? Could this be the end of the popularity of the DatagridGirl? This and other news at 5!

its has helped me lot in my project

>>In case you really are wondering about the chicken/egg issue, the egg came first.

Then how egg comes?

Making it a custom control is not as easy as you might think. It's actually pretty darn complicated. At least it is if you want to break the header out of the table.

Hi,
Wow!, You have a nice blog

Watch it Forte or I will tell all what you got up to in Malaysia :-)

Well......I wish my girlfriend was a programmer. Heck....That´d be a cool thing in common. "Hey babe, im too tired......please finish my final project, ill go to bed now".

Anyways, congratulations on your first year.

Just a note to Damit, Perth isn't exactly on the way to Sydney or Brisbane. Melbourne is a lot closer, and is an incredible city.

I use the repeater like most. I found that the styles to dont work for the datagrid regardless of what tags you use.

Seriously how hard can it be to put the rows in a Iframe ???

Though $10 Dollars is cheap these days.

the time is up. give me your defence translator device.

i need to speak to girl

Hey! i was searching 4 Portugeuse Water dogs (Porty's) What are you talking about?

Thanx for the info, thats just what I needed. And price is low indeed! nice pick :)

I used to be a forum moderator at DHTML Central but have become to busy to do that. Thomas Brattli's dynamic scripts are inceredible.

DHTMLCentral all the way! Come and join the community forums guys.

Congratulations! Glad to hear you're moving back home. The CodeProject guys rock! Say Hi to Chris Maunder for me.

Awesome!! I can't wait to see the things you come up with, and I am sure CodeProject will be all the better with your involvement.

-James

Congrats Marcie!

Will the CP people/site be expaning beyond their original C++ base?

Congrats, what a great job CP is one of the best sites around. Awesome :D

Hi Sam! Yes, CP already has a *lot* of .NET articles, and they're (we're?) looking to expand quite a bit in that area.

Congrats! We were wondering where you had disappeared to...

Lots of luck being an honest-to-god FTE :)

Congratulations, Marcie! It sounds like a great gig.

Congratulations Marcie ! Hope it turns out to be a mutually beneficial relation!!

Congrads! And some of the vets like me and a few others are still waiting on our free CP shirts :-P its justifible to the marketing budget right? :P

Very cool! Congradulations! Hopefully you will help them get with the times and move their site to ASP.NET! :-)

Congrats! Looks like I am one of the first Code Project editors to post on this but definately not the last. I see may CPians have already posted. Welcome aboard!

-Nick

Congrats Marcie! You r00l!:)

Welcome Marcie! I'm glad your'e part of the team now. :) You gotta brush up on your Halo skills now though, seeing as how they seem to play constantly. ;)

Congratulations. Have fun in Winterland ;)

Welcome to the family, Marcie! You'd best bring along your electric socks from what we hear from Chris. He never tires of whining about the chill, poor lost Aussie that he is...

They are lucky to have you, Marcie. !Congratulations and wishing you much happiness in your new endeavor :-)

Congrats Marcie, and make CodeProject pink ;-)

Congrats Marcie, Wish you all the best

Congratulations, wondered where you were the last month or so...!!! And enjoy!

A ja uwazam ze gud. Jestem z polski Polacy to moi ziomale.

Congratulations, Marcie! CodeProject will certainly be a better place :-)

Funny! The stairs at my office are actually labeled "Areas of Rescue Assistance", not "Stairs". It took me a week to figure out what they were.

How do I center text in an Excel Spreadsheet using VB.net from a regular form. I have the data being populated from my datagrid but am unable to center it or give it a decimal or currency format.

Any help is greatly appreicated.

Sincerely,
Dan Abramson
danvbman@aol.com

Wow, guess you guys beat me to the punch for throwin my control out there :) Very awesome to see everyone is happy with what I can provide for free to the community.

What's more revolting is that you make a lovely couple.

:-)

Congratulations, and see you both in Seattle!

for text format use
mso-number-format:"\@";

for currency format use
mso-number-format:"\0022$\0022\#\,\#\#0\.00";

to center text use
text-align:center;

For example, to center and format ALL cells to text
following line should be added using response.write() at top of the page.

<style> td {mso-number-format:"\@"; text-align:center;} </style>

Hopefully that should give you an idea.

GK

www.petersdatepackage.com if you're willing to spend money - can't beat the price, quality, or features.

I didn't quite type what I was intending. Let me try this again:

Peter's Date Package if you're willing to spend the money - can't beat the price, quality, or features - www.peterblum.com

WOW, thanks for all the help.

Gotta love the power of the blog! Thanks everybody for all of the tremendous input here!

Marcie

Seems to be a great control , excellent effort.

Works fine with the sample application proveded - where data source is read from an xml file.

I m using SQL db(northwind ) and tried it for tabels [Parent as] 'customer' and [Child as] 'order' (relation of field 'customerid')

In the child child template file i have a simple asp.net datagrid control and to bind this child contorl i use the code as said, but unfortunately get following error when typecasting the (..dgi..)datagriditem to data set:

"Specified cast is not valid."
i m pasting the code i m using to bind the datagrid in the child template

Dim dgi As DataGridItem = CType(Me.BindingContainer, DataGridItem)
Dim ds As DataSet = CType(dgi.DataItem, DataSet)
dg.DataSource = ds
dg.DataMember = "orders"
dg.DataBind()
----------------------

Your DataGridItem should most likely be cast to DataRowView, rather than DataSet

DGG

Doing things the hard way with RSS Bandit leads to some interesting statistics; Stuff for my Boss and co-workers; SOA and Joe Developer -- Phillip gets it right (again); Bits on Reporting Services; Wake up and smell RSS.NET; htmlArea (drool); InfoPath duh; McD's

Congratulations Marcie! I wish you good luck, and have fun!!
(i'll be searching for pink spots on cp... :-)))

ciao

pleas send me soon
to this address
bakhtiar_nahid@yahoo.com
I know you are busy, but please do it very soon

Your post did not have enough pink in it due to the heavy use of links. :)

Thanks for the link Daniele, way cool!!!

Sorry about that Paul, I'll try to do better next time :)

Marcie

Who is the founder of Girl Power and what made them start this club

I'd like to see an article related to this subject - how to sort a dataGrid when headers exist outside of the dataGrid (with and without making a round trip back to the database).

Keep up the good work Marcie

Really interesting read.
Thanks, Marcie.

Yep, I use SharpReader too. I just meant that they'll be part of the OS going forward.

I use Intravnews because I like all of my email and feeds available in one place.

The popup does bother me - sometimes I just want it to go away!

You can reset an errored out feed by going into the subscriptions, and right clicking - reset schedule. That does the trick for me.

I haven't had the issue with it not remembering my subscriptions yet. Thank God - I have almost 50 subscriptions!

I'm cheap too - so I'll stick with Intravnews!

You don't find too many C++ programmer's who use HTML that much. I'm sure whoever posted the job requirements goofed somewhere.

The problem is that your site navigation is predominantly orange so putting it anywhere in the normal navigation places is going to make it 'invisible'. So you need to put it against a white background, preferably near the top. Anywhere in that first area that starts "Your place etc".

Hi Marcie,

I had a look, and I still can't find it! Anyway, I'd vote for top right have corner, just above or below the ad (dundas at the moment....), just above "The Lounge". Thats where I usually expect to find these things.

While you (codeproject) are at it, do to borders and get a couple of Jakob Nielsen's books - Homepage Usability and Designing Web Usability (www.useit.com) - I think the homepage one would help you (CP) out a lot :)

Content: great. Homepage: confusing.

Nic.

Damn, it must be late.... how about "go to borders", not "do to borders"..... urgh. :)

One error not to make : mimic MSDN dev centers, and thus add more than one RSS icons and links on the same page. Couldn't be more confusing.

Where should it be? at the bottom of the page, near the privacy and other links.

codeproject is heavily cluttered btw. There's just too much content on the home page. In fact, it has never categorized well out of its core (codeguru) MFC control repository.

It's really a bit difficult to catch the Rss link in the actual homepage: using an orange button on an orange background, somewhere in the middle of the page, it's just misleading.

Try to put the orange button on a white background, just to show it up and stress the difference with the other graphical elements of the home page. I would choose the white space at the top of the home, just near or above the logo. The user would find it at a glance, without the necessity of scrolling the page.

Even if I'm not so fond of usability, I think that the home of the site could be better reorganized, just to help the user find the piece of information he's interested in.

Is the main page for the sections in the left menu really necessary? I find it a useless click, since the subsections are already visible and accessible from the home page.

bye :)

I prefer "RSS" instead of "XML".

Regarding its position I think after "Options" section (top left of the page) would be nice because it's something at which you subscribe.

top left of the screen under the ads, on a piece of white background ( top right isn´t seen in all browsers) and PLEASE, REDESIGN THE SITE THINKING IN USERS (read a List Apart).If your site were well designed you won´t have this problem. Good wills & Peace. Ed

Whoops! Fixed. Thanks Tom...

I think it should be placed in the title of each list -as it does now for the latest updates- that you have on the site. You should not have a single RSS, instead every listing should be made available as RSS and one can choose which listings they want to subscribe to, the main one being Latest Updates.

My 2 cents:

Put it as a text link in the top right alongside "FAQ", "What's new".

Who knows. Maybe they are trying to get everyone to call in so they can use it as an upsell or cross-sell opportunity. It's obvious that Microsoft either 1) doesn't care about their customers because they're working on the "next big thing", or 2) some people care, but are powerless to make a difference.

Marcie - why not bring this up on the DotNetRocks show?

I may be wrong, but I think this problem exists only in the 1.0 version of the .NET Framework. I believe it is fixed with 1.1

Ok folks so it says this:

"For computers that have .NET Framework SP2 installed, this hotfix is included in the following hotfix rollup:
328546 INFO: Post-Service Pack 2 .NET Framework Hotfix Rollup Package 3"

so this is fixed in sp2.

and note the detail:
1.0.3705.299 System.Web.dll
1.0.3705.299 Aspnet_isapi.dll
1.0.3705.299 Aspnet_wp.exe
1.0.3705.299 Aspnet_perf.ini
1.0.3705.299 Aspnet_regiis.exe

1.0.3705.xxx so this is 1.0 not 1.1

the footnotes also say:
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.0 SP1
Microsoft Visual Studio .NET (2002), Professional Edition
---
and

Last Reviewed: 9/12/2003 (3.0)

so is someone having a problem with 1.1 ?

and is the url absolute or relative
as that makes a difference with the ssl messages in other cases.

href="foo/this.aspx"
vs.
href="www.domain.com/foo/this.aspx"

Those authors have a couple of other great marketing books - 'Positioning' & 'Marketing Warfare'.

This is an ongoing debate. The issue is that they're called QFEs, which stand for quick fix engineering for a reason. QFEs aren't tested as well as a SP or release, and, if a bug is found in a QFE, MS needs to be able to let people who have it know about the issue. This is my understanding of the problem at hand, at least.

In any case, when you call PSS, there's a menu option for QFEs, and pretty often, the call router can actually email it to you, and you don't even have to hold for a tech support person.

I'm looking forward to see you!

-Klaus

Any thoughts on how to get the results to display in a new browser window (pop-up style)?

thanks!

js

No, you're not. I can't stand "team blogs". Blog = one voice. Blog != lots of voices.

hi,
my problem is that size of the scroll bar is not increasing or decreasing with the increase in size of the table.kindly resolve this problem.

True - although aggregated blogs work well.

Glad you like FetchLinks :)

Very good! Very funny!

What the heck is he thinking &raquo; DataGrid Girl wonders about the name &#8220;blog&#8221;

I really think it's widespread enough that most people know what it is. It's a bit too late to change. Of course, she's probably thinking about "clogged" toilets...

Uh, do we really need more people starting a blog? I'm spending WAY too much time keeping up as it is. If more people related them to toilets, maybe I'd get some work done! ;)

Yep, when I told a friend about my blog, she laughed pretty hard. "Blog" really doesn't roll off the tongue. It's better to use "Web log".

In England we use "bog" as a slang term for toilet. Of course a bog also refers to "wet spongy ground of decomposing vegetation; has poorer drainage than a swamp; soil is unfit for cultivation but can be cut and dried and used for fuel".

I look forward to meeting you too!

Great!

--Marcie

That's also the same reason why I refuse to use the number 2. :)

I also don't like to use the term blog. But mainly it's because I've been doing it since long before the term was used for that.

I'm with you. I'm planning to meet a ton of people. I'm not strickly seeking to gain technical knowledge. I am planning to have a blast. If it stayed too technical, it would seem like work or something!
-Eric.

You'd better register www.datacubegirl.com quick!!!

You know, that data grid and repeater effects are pretty far out there and might be useful for something or another, however... they don't seem to work at all on FireFox, so I'm guess they won't work for other non-IE browsers either.

It's a shame that so many .NET web controls are targeted specificly for IE and don't tend to implement down-level behavior or similar behaviors for non-IE browsers.

It works ok for me in Firefox, but I use the User Agent Switcher extension so I can try to convince these sites that I am IE6.

But I agree with you, and I look forward to the day when FireFox is not considered "down-level".

Marcie

That is the problem. Firefox CAN handle it but the page doesn't send the correct information to the browser and sends out a dumbed-down version instead, making it appear as if the browser were "downlevel" and can't handle the functionality.

I'm assuming the main point is to show what can be done. I don't know if their main intention was to make this work on all browsers. That's an exercise for the rest of us, I'd think.

It's pretty darn cool either way.

I think it is great

Does Firefox handle any other pages on that site correctly? especialy the Blocktech pages.
Maybe we can do a 'if its not IE, but its Firefox' sort of a base page class, it wont be a problem? Where do I find out (best) about Firefox?
Theres a lot more 3D Databound display controls around here to.

Who'd you choose? Not Q9, right? RIGHT?!

...

Gah. I just left Toronto, but I've had experience with all the DC's. Love to help you out if it's not too late (finding the best one for you)...

Just out of curiosity, why did they choose to move in the middle of the day?

I addd some more funcionality to that 3D Datagrid. Now you can drag pages around by the header, and page and bring to the top by clicking a pages header. The rest of the code (comming shortly) re-stacks, splays, sorts and searches pages, like in the RP3D Repeater control. You'l most likeley have to ctrl refresh (IE) to get the new client code to make the page work. Downloaded firefox and will give it a whirl. I wonder if the control itself can force the right code to firefox?
Greg

while talking into terms of promotions it is the alternate way to promote your site through blogs, as blog sites are used to crawled by spiders frequently. So proper use of blogs can make you on higher rankings.

What you guys say about it ????

Oh, I'm definitely fond of blogs, just not necessarily fond of the *name* "blog" for them.

Marcie

Hi Greg, the Datagrid works great! On the Repeater page, the arrow keys in FireFox work the browser scrollbar instead of interacting with your Repeater.

Marcie

Nope, not Q9, the move was to Telus :)

Marcie

Databinding with nested child/parent Web Controls would be interesting.

Do you mean, such as nesting one Datagrid inside another, or nesting other web controls inside one of the databound controls?

Thanks!
Marcie

Wow, that's spooky...I have just (like 20 minutes ago) visited the tea encryption article...then you go and post the like...so freaked out right now ;-)

Thanks for the info, Marcie.

Can we also get some info on what goes on behind the scenes at CodeProject?
There must be funny stories about life at your new job. :-p

Well, many a blogger prefers the little anonymity that's left when publishing on the web. I think a consistant pseudonym would do just as well as a real name.

SharePoint is mostly used in intranets. In it's current incarnation, it's not suitable for the Internet, although I think bCentral.com does SharePoint hosting.

Microsoft internally uses SharePoint (and SharePoint Portal Server - a very separate product). It really is a nifty collaboration tool.

At Cisco, the team I'm on is using TWiki, which has similar broad goals as SharePoint (collaboration), but goes about it in a vastly different way.

SharePoint is heavily dependent on fast connections using DHTML. TWiki is pretty bland by comparsion. Both systems could learn a lot from each other.

Marcie,
So did you get a better understanding of the Sharepoint from reading my article?

I was not quite sure from the read.

Thanks, Maxim

[www.ipattern.com do you?]

Whoops, yes I did, I should have made that clearer! Your article was very helpful to me, and the diagram. I've added you to my blogroll as well :)

Thanks! --Marcie

zzzzz......me too :)

I've finished yesterday the book and it is very good to read ;-)

-Klaus

Marcie,
Thanks! I need to get blogroll going on my site as well.

Maxim

[www.ipattern.com do you?]

just what i have been after

I always wondererd what happened to remote scripting. It was kind of slick. In a recent project I tried to find the .NET eqivelent and couldn't but found that I could perform something very similar with web service behaviors and it worked out well.

Check out the (free) Rocketinfo RSS Reader - web-based, lightning fast, easy to use, supports RSS & Atom. Create your own search-based feeds.

Got Firefox (finaly, its hard to download stuff here). The javascript window is great. Will try to get the 3D Datagrid going in it. Cant figure out how the zindex works in Firefox though. I added another asp.net control (HiddenPanel) to the grid. Its a funny sort of thing, like a popup menu where you can drag the popped up details off, clone and persist them. Needs more code to be able to close them and zindex on mouseover. Would appreciate your opinion.

Greg

* nesting one Datagrid inside another.
* databinding custom bound columns
* web control nesting and nested repeaters.
* OnItemDataBound
* Performance impacts of data binding
* DataBinder.Eval internals

Alas, one of our editors (not me) seems to have deleted it. Sorry about that...

--Marcie

To me the word "blog" sounds like a 1960's sci fi movie....The Blog that ate Seattle

still talking about the DataGrid??? I think it's time to move on to something new, don't you think?

Nah, it's my specialty, and I'm sticking to it :) Besides, it's the area that conference organizers ask me to speak about (surprise, surprise). This conference does begin to cover Whidbey topics, so I'll also cover a bit about the future of databinding, including the GridView control.

--Marcie

I suppose CodeProject isn't a Wiki ;-)

LOL, afraid not :)

Too bad it is deprecated in asp.net 2.0.

I think that datagrid is a control that must be totally reviewed in future... it's one of the most important control but it's difficult and limited to customize.

Not really deprecated, more like revised, GridView has most of the functionality...but of course DataGrids still work

Hey Marcie - Thanks for the linkage. But really, is there some reason that everybody wants to talk about datagrids? I mean when I look at most real world business forms they do not lend themselves to a grid layout. If the customer is willing to let you redesign the forms, GREAT, most people I have dealt with want to see the same thing on the screen and on the form (report), and getting them to see it any other way is a tough sell.

Marcie Robillard responds to my question about Datagrids. Apparently my plan for world domination is well under way, ehhhxcellent... --Datagrid Girl Any my comment on her website. Hey Marcie - Thanks for the linkage. But really, is there some reason

Hi Dewayne!
For web applications, I can't think of too many apps where you wouldn't at some point want to take data, and put it into an HTML < table >. The ASP.NET Datagrid just makes that process easier.

I definitely agree with you about not taking an existing design that is NOT grid-shaped, and forcing it into a grid layout, very inappropriate.

--Marcie

Sure Vinnie, that'll count too :)

--Marcie

You specialize in datagrids? it's a simple contorl, even for doing "comp[lex" things, how can you ever specialize on it? Everything you can learn about DataGrid you can learn from 2-3 articles, that you can read in a couple of hours....and that would could much much much less than attending to a conference such as vslive...I wonder if there are actually people that attend a talk like that...

Looking forward to seeing all of you!!

Seanod@microsoft.com
WW Director, MVP Program
Microsoft

Finally a service for people like me... :|

I've signed up and reported several people that have invited me to Orkut to the Department of Homeland Security -- excellent.

this is old news. CF is now vers 6.1 and is quite neat.
what do I miss from the ASP world? ADO and ADO.NET's extra features - that's all

I'm not sure what to say about this Marcie. I'm very glad you found a .NET book club, but I hope you really remain focused on what counts: datagrids and annoying books. This .NET club sounds suspiciously like something else that seems to be detracting from your true passions lately.

PS - Is it against Blog (eewwwww) - cancel that - Weblog etiquette to include inside-ish jokes in the Feedback area?

Can you explain to me why I am unable to retrieve the ViewState values for the controls I am dynamically creating in this DataList? I am re-creating the controls in my Page_Load, but I cannot see the values that were set by the user on the web page.

ASCX Code:

<table id="table1" runat="server" width="950" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td>
<div
style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(Images/greybar_20.gif); MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: gray 1px solid; WIDTH: 950px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1px solid; HEIGHT: 20px">
<asp:Label ID="labTitle" Runat=server Font-Name="Arial" Font-Size="8pt" Font-Bold=True ForeColor="Navy">
Select Survey Types
</asp:Label>
</div>
<asp:Panel id="panSearch" runat="server" BorderStyle="Outset" BorderWidth="2px" height="55" Width="950" HorizontalAlign="Left" BackColor="lightgoldenrodyellow">
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="MARGIN: 5px 5px 5px 5px;">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:CheckBoxList id="cklSurveys" runat="server"
RepeatDirection="Horizontal"
RepeatColumns="5"
Font-Size="8pt"
ForeColor="maroon"
Font-Bold="True"
AutoPostBack="True">
</asp:CheckBoxList>
</td>

<td width="25"></td>

<td>
<asp:Button ID="btnCalcPrice" Runat="server" CssClass="StdText" ForeColor="DarkGreen" Text="Calculate Price"></asp:Button>
<asp:Button ID="btnSelectActivities" Runat="server" CssClass="StdText" ForeColor="navy" Text="Select Activities"></asp:Button>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</asp:Panel>
</td></tr>

<tr><td style="WIDTH: 950px; HEIGHT: 10px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white"></td></tr>

<tr><td>
<div style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(Images/greybar_20.gif); MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: gray 1px solid; WIDTH: 950px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1px solid; HEIGHT: 20px">
<span id="spanGridTitle" runat="server" style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;FONT-SIZE:8pt;COLOR:navy;FONT-FAMILY:Arial">
Answer Survey Questions</span><span id="spanGridCount" runat="server" style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;FONT-SIZE:8pt;COLOR:maroon;FONT-FAMILY:Arial"></span></div>

<asp:Panel id="panGrid" runat="server" BorderStyle="Outset" BorderWidth="2px" Width="950" BackColor="lightgoldenrodyellow" style="OVERFLOW: auto">
<asp:DataList ID="lstQuestions" Runat="server"
RepeatColumns="2"
RepeatDirection="Vertical" RepeatLayout="Table" GridLines="Horizontal" BorderColor="whitesmoke"
ForeColor="Black" Font-Size="8pt" Font-Name="Arial" BackColor="White" BorderWidth="1px" EnableViewState="True">
<AlternatingItemStyle BackColor="White" ForeColor="navy"></AlternatingItemStyle>
<ItemStyle BackColor="white" ForeColor="navy"></ItemStyle>
<HeaderStyle ForeColor="Black" BackColor="LightGrey" HorizontalAlign="Left" Font-Size="10pt"></HeaderStyle>
<HeaderTemplate>
<span style="WIDTH: 175px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">Question</span>
<span style="WIDTH: 250px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">Answer</span>
<span style="WIDTH: 175px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">Question</span>
<span style="WIDTH: 250px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">Answer</span>
</HeaderTemplate>
<AlternatingItemTemplate>
<span id="altQuestion" runat="server" style="WIDTH: 175px"></span>
<span id="altAnswer" runat="server" style="WIDTH: 250px"></span>
</AlternatingItemTemplate>
<ItemTemplate>
<span id="itemQuestion" runat="server" style="WIDTH: 175px"></span>
<span id="itemAnswer" runat="server" style="WIDTH: 250px"></span>
</ItemTemplate>
</asp:DataList>
</asp:Panel>
</td></tr>

<tr><td style="WIDTH: 950px; HEIGHT: 10px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white"></td></tr>


</table>

****** CODE-BEHIND: ********
private void Page_Load(object sender, System.EventArgs e)
{
_LoadControls();
_LoadQuestions();
}

private void _LoadQuestions()
{
string serviceList = "";
foreach(ListItem item in cklSurveys.Items)
{
if (item.Selected == true)
{
serviceList += "-" + item.Value;
}
}
if (serviceList.Length > 0) serviceList = serviceList.Substring(1);
ArrayList qList = _questions.GetQuestionList(serviceList);
lstQuestions.DataSource = qList;
lstQuestions.DataBind();
}


private void lstQuestions_ItemDataBound(object sender, DataListItemEventArgs e)
{
if (e.Item.ItemType == ListItemType.Item || e.Item.ItemType == ListItemType.AlternatingItem)
{
DataRow qRow = _questions.GetQuestion(e.Item.DataItem.ToString());
e.Item.Controls[1].Controls.Add( new LiteralControl( qRow["desc"].ToString() ) );
e.Item.Controls[3].Controls.Add( _GetQuestionControl(qRow) );
}
}

private Control _GetQuestionControl(DataRow qRow)
{
switch(qRow["type"].ToString())
{
case "txt" :
TextBox txt = new TextBox();
txt.CssClass = "StdLabel";
txt.ID = qRow["id"].ToString();
txt.Width = Unit.Pixel( Convert.ToInt32( qRow["width"].ToString() ) );
return txt;

case "ddlb" :
DropDownList cmb = new DropDownList();
cmb.CssClass = "StdLabel";
cmb.ID = qRow["id"].ToString();
cmb.DataSource = _questions.GetQuestionOptions(qRow["id"].ToString());
cmb.DataTextField = "desc";
cmb.DataValueField = "id";
cmb.DataBind();
return cmb;

}
return new LiteralControl("");
}

Take Outs for 1 April 2004

Hey Marcie,

Thought I'd return the favour... ;)

You have a small formatting issue in the heading of your blog entries... if they are too long and wrap, the second line overlaps the first and makes it difficult to read.

Cheerio
Andrew

Awesome, this has been around for awhile. This is also something that should be put into ASP.NET 2.0...I mean, come on! It's not that hard!

Take Outs for 3 April 2004

Good for you. CodeProject is brilliant. I use it all the time!

Thanks Patrick--I'll update the link in the main post. --Marcie.

I am fond the blog very much.

Id just send it back to them as much as i could ( like jeff julian said ) But sometimes you just need 2 send them......but truthfully i'd print it and then burn a neat hole in the middle then post it 2 them (make them scared) then if your in 4 a good laugh dress all in black Dye your hair black , get fluro orange contact lenses then walk up 2 them and say they're coming for you _______(persons name)then ........ its up 2 you (but keep it clean)

email me if ya want more funny ways 2 scare people + your friends lol : mark_0103@hotmail.com

So where can you download it from, without contacting Microsoft? And why do you have to contact them for something that is so important for web design?

This is Daniel.Wu's testing.

What exactly are you testing Daniel?

In a word: YUCK! Honestly, comparing what the Taliban did to Afghan women to what happens to women in technology is simply absurd. Women were routinely beaten and killed for minor infractions under the Taliban. Even if you buy many of the claims made by the author about how women in technology are made "invisible" (I certainly don't), this isn't anything close to what women experienced under the Taliban. To make the comparison trivializes the horror those women experienced, and is quite frankly offensive. The author of this article needs to get a clue.

Just one (not so invisible) woman's opinion...

I guess the same statement could be made for minorities. Looking at some post MVP summit photos, I didn't see many women OR minorities (in the sense of American-born U.S. citizens).

Gotta keep "fighting the good fight" I suppose.

Hi Marcie, may I know the link for codeproject articles of the month? It seems difficult to find the list.

Many thx!! :)

Take Outs for 15/16 April 2004

Cool DG-Girl! Obviously I can't be there as it's in the US - MS won't sponsor me more than once an year I guess ;-)

Uhm, maybe next year we can meet at all the US-based TechEds - I hope to relocate to Seattle or somewhere with er a friend of mine :-)

Have fun...

Nish

I forwarded the excellent link to the Trivandrum UG mailing list. In the last 1.5 years we have had only one lady-speaker (and that was my GF) for our monthly UG meets and despite my best attempts to try and get more women participating actively, I have failed. This is stunning when you consider that about 50-60% of Technopark based programming related employees in Trivandrum are women. I have no idea what's holding them back.

Nish

Noting of course that the string had better come from a trusted source or you have a vicious code injection bug.

some competitor for Robert McLaws and VisualBlogger. I wish I can try this last one soon !

Why does this argument always come up? Women should just stay at home and make babies!

I thought you'd post this, Dg-Girl, even while I was uploading it :-)

LOL. I'm trying to get Chris and Dave to let me change my title to "Blog Evangelist" :)

I just began blogging and I think it's cool. For one thing it's a lot more informal than writing an article. So I find that I am more relaxed and I don't have to over-strain myself when I do a blog entry.

I made a blog entry on declaring types in C++/CLI today evening and well, it took me just 30 minutes or so to write the samples, test them out, and write the actual blog entry. Had it been an article I'd probably have required 2 hours or more.

Blogs are also sorta personal :-) I already feel a lot more attached to my blog than to my web site.

Thanks for quoting me Marcie.

Nish :-)

Heh. I subscribe to the RSS feeds from SourceGear, and saw your plea for help. However, although you signed your name, I didn't make the connection that it was you because (at least in the feed) the text wasn't pink!

I learn something new every day reading those feeds.

Amen to that....I'd say my BLOG is as personal as my quaint pen and paper journal...:)

I actually do use XMLHTTP for any projects now, however I've left JSRS as is because it was written to solve the wide cross-browser compatibility problem back when NS4 mattered.

I haven't done any development on JSRS for a couple of years now, although I do post updates when users send me stuff.

178!

How long does that take to start up?

I usually don't have more than about 5 or so projects in a solution (e.g. Data, Service, Test, Web) and a solution for each "application". Though obviously that's not hard and fast.

I always reference projects. Make switching between release and debug within the solution easier.

Build on my own machine using VS.NET.

nAnt is used on a CI server (with Draco.NET).

There are 178 projects on the solution, but not all of them are loaded on the application startup, they are loaded as functionalities are invoked.
I estimate that roughly 20 of them are needed for the application startup, and it starts up on roughly 0.5s. I never measured it, but it’s clearly a sub-second process. Actually, monolithic designs are more often responsible for slow startup times than the inverse.
I’m a strong advocate of separate build machines. You're wasting expensive resources (programmers) while they manage & wait for a build, instead of doing what they're supposed to do: programming. They need to build only the subsystem and the unit tests of the code they’re working on, nothing more.
Not to mention the risks involved: just think about of what would happen if a developer machine gets infected by a virus.

I really hope this gets fixed in the next version. This bug is currently biting our company. Wish I could afford a MSDN subscription so I could check this out on the new version.

Hi Travis, in VS 2005, you don't actually have to use Solutions or Projects at all, which I think is pretty cool, though there are still some advantages to using them. Though it's currently only available for download for MSDN subscribers and alpha testers, MS is also handing out copies at some of the conferences, so if you can make it to one of those, that's another way to get a copy.

Marcie

Travis, just a little warning though. The March 2004 preview is horribly horribly horribly slow! It seems to be some sort of semi-debug build and you wouldn't be blamed for thinking it was a Java application or interpreted Basic :-)

Nish

hey Marcie, can you recommend me a good business book? what have you been readin'lately?

Yes, certainly none of the pre-beta builds have been optimized for speed yet. Kinda makes more sense to do that after all the features have been built :)

Marcie

Thanks for pointing out this awesome fact!
Though actually it's:
"There are as many speakers named Brian (including one Bryan) as there are women speakers". This was just based on my ability to identify women speakers by looking through the list. I may have missed one or two with non-obvious names.

Yes, confusing. The people I've talked with on the Windowsforms team about it though said that GridView is a name already taken by some other company. What I'm confused about after hearing that though is that it hasn't been renamed in ASP.NET yet :| *confused as well*

Take Outs for 25 April 2004

Hey!!!

Leave us Brians alone!!! It's not our fault!

LOL, sorry Brian :) Maybe I'll go through and count the "Dave"s instead :)

Marcie

I hear real-estate is pretty hot right now ;)

isn't "GED's, Web Design, and Oracle" like saying "Motel 6, Holiday Inn, and The Ritz" ?

No, it's like saying "Motel 6, Home Depot, and Burger King" --- They are three completely separate domains.

All copyrighted offcourse :)

Unfortunately that doesn't surprise me one bit. I'm not only the only woman on my team, but the only one on my *floor*.

It feels really isolating, and every so often it gets to me in a big way. Mixed environments are so much more fun.

Thanks Marcie. And, given that you're an ASP.NET person, I'd have to say you're not too shabby yourself :P

Thanks for pointing out his blog, Marcie. We need more WindowsForms bloggers from Microsoft! ;)

Let us know what you think of the book.. I work here with the Author :). I reviewed the book and really hope you enjoy it. TDD is really fun and can make you and your customer much happier.

How about having links to non-.TEXT sites?

I decided to create my own blog site, because I felt it was a medium scaled project that could be accomplished in a reasonable amount of time. Now I add little pieces here and there as time permits. Although I'm part of the .NET community, I'm feeling a bit left out.

Would someone just give me a cyber hug already!?!

My cubicle partner is reading that book right now and said it is really a great book and said it not only tells you what to test, but to test everything at every step.

From what I have learned about TDD, what to test is ver simple : Everything.

There are only two (or 3) situations where you write code.
A test fails (or doesn't compile) or you are refactoring.

Isn't there annother recent book about TDD? I thought I saw one that dealt a lot with design patterns at the same time.

Julie, Marcie, and others have been commenting about the continued growth of weblogs.asp.net and blogs.msdn.com....

I didkn't give him a hug but I check out his neat BLOG. You smart people...:)

I didn't hug him either - but chk'd out his blog and posted on his if(0==a) thread :-)

Nish

I am one of the people who just created a new blog and will be part and responsible for the growth of the asp.net blog :)

Sonu

What aggregator are you using now? How did you like NewsGator? I've tried quite a few, but have yet to find one that combines the best features from all.

Feliz Cinco de Mayo!

Thanks Marcie, I have been looking for a way to make the flow layout default for some time. Its amazing and annoying its not possible to do from the UI.

I agree about being closer to one's blog that to ones site. Hence why my blog *is* my site....saves having to share out my love.

Marcie...

I'm so glad you had a great time. You and Eli helped make the evening a success.

I love to read too my ...any and everything but especially graphic novels/comics. Working on getting some into level books to HTML and Programming, gonna do a little playing around. Type at you soon,

-N

I'll play the game. Within the past few weeks, I finished "The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature" by Steven Pinker. At the moment, I'm working my way through "Consciousness Explained" by Daniel Dennett. As soon as I've figured out whether or not I'm really self-aware and not just delusional, I'll let you know ;)

If you are into networking at all I'm working through "Understanding IPV6" right now by Joseph Davies. So far I'd have to say it is pretty well written.

The pragmatic Programmer is excellent,a little dated but still lots of nice general codery advice. On the technical front I'm also working through some cryptography books right now; Practical Cryptography being the current one. Next up are a few re-reads, SCRUM and Paper Prototyping being my most immediates. I tend not to read self-help books...to many years as a psychologist put me off...

Who cares. You are a wantabe marketing snake. ;-)

Wally

Glad to know that you had a good time, DG-Girl :-)

Nish

It's not true. There will be snacks.

There are always snacks! It would kill us if they took those away. I'm just hoping for the truck loads of Krispy Kream donuts again this year. That was just amazing.

One of our developers has been doing this for a while. I personally think that it is a great idea. The problem is that you get a lot of [IGNORE] warnings when running the unit tests.

Marcie,
My company is looking for an asp.net expert, with strong dbarchitect knowledge. Are you that person, or do you know a local Tulsa person.

That is a great idea!

Hi James, do you have an address where I can reach you? Mine is Marcie @ DatagridGirl.com

If they take my snacks away, I'll boycott! I'll do it! I swear!

I can guarantee you that you will not be hungry!! There are healthy snacks and unhealthy snacks. The hallways and tables are everywher and the snacks are always easy to access. Our event planners ROCK and always try to ensure our attendees are taken care of!!

Do you have any good book recommendations?

I shall be going to TechEd this year, and I'm really rather looking forward to it. However, I'm a little confused about the reports of chocolate snakes, and so forth, and somewhat intrigued by the little debbies, whatever they might be. In England, we have dolly mixtures, which I imagine to be something similar, but perhaps not? Life is full of mysteries......

Well, I signed up months ago for a GMail account, but nothing till yet. If I will get any information I will let you know. Hopefully something will come up!

Sonu

I read somewhere that they are bumping Yahoo Mail free email storage to 100mb. (just put: yahoo +100mb as a google search string and you'll find a news article or two about that). It'd be great to get my hands on GMail though, just to see what all that hype is all about!

As William told - it's a suspicious to pay 20 USD for something that will be free soon ;-)

CitiBank expected you to spend money on something more valuable ;-))

I've been posting invite info I come across on my blog if you want to add to your reader for a little while. I was able to score an invite from a guy who had 58 invitations for my wife and then she gave one away on Mother's Day.

I'm using G-mail now and I like it...easy to use and plenty of storage. If you still need an invite let me know..

Heya Nobius! Yes I still badly want an invite, so if you can do one please send! (Marcie @ DatagridGirl.com)

Marcie

Glad you got your g-mail invite. It seems I'm temporarily not able to invite anyone...:(

Congrats Marcie.

Are you in a position to invite others? I'd love to get in on the Gmail phenomenon (and a get a decent username while they last). I'll send good karma your way ;)

jmb173@yahoo.com

Nobius, if you could arrange one for me too, than I will be also very happy ;)

Sonu

Me, me, me! I'd love an invite too! :)

Well, the other thing about Yahoo! Mail is that paid customers will get what seems to be "unlimited" storage.

Though, I doubt anyone is likely to exceed 100MB of mail storage easily anyway, let alone 1GB! Think about it, what's the biggest email message you've ever received? It'd probably be nice to store all those mailing list emails of various groups you're involved in online rather than on your PC. And you'll be able to use a search engine powered search on those mail messages for that solution that was provided several months ago of a problem you're having right now!

Guess this is part of the revolution, we have started to see systems that come with 100GB hard drives and larger sizes too.

WinFS will definately help you index those 100GB hard drives. That gives me an idea, how about using WinFS type technology for an email system???

Wow, that was really short stay with CP. Or are you going to hold down two jobs?

Congrats!
Still waiting for your reply for the mail I sent to marcie at datagridgirl dot com a month ago..

Congrats on the new gig.

Congratulations!
How did you get a gmail addy?

Congratulations. Looks like a great opportunity!

<--Best Homer Simpson voice.

MMMM....smoothies

<--Best Homer Simpson voice.

MMMM....smoothies

Hummm... Can we provide our own spikes? :)

Hi Marcie, How do you get yahoo to do that? I have a *ton* on old emails I wanted to save, they are all tiny but there's hundreds. Help would be appreciated, Dan

Hi Dan,
Sorry I should have mentioned that the offline download is only available in Yahoo! Mail Plus which was like $14/year or something.

Marcie

I wish they'd add some colored fonts ...:) But other than that it's not bad.

Ah cool, you finally got one, eh? :-) I bet you were first captivated by that threaded screen shot I sent ya ;-)

Nish

BTW I still haven't got invite powers :-(

Nish

-peeps out from around the corner and whispers-
do you have a gmail invite that you care to give a little penguin? pweaser. thankyous
-hides and waits for a reply-

adam@faceinacrowd.com

One can only hope!

All the best Marcie.

Sonu

Fantastic! Good luck and have fun! :)

Yep Toronto, but I'm no in the Chapters Affiliate program :D

Sure you can have my copy when I'm done, sometime after Tech Ed

Marcie

I agree with you that it would be useful to link the articles to the main page. However they are direct link the article category. Make sure that you created an article category.

Sonu Kapoor

Scott made this all a little bit tricky. Did you found out how to create a new category ;) ?

Sonu

I dont think that the skin is responsible for that. The skin is just a css file if I remember correct. See also my blog, I have several article categories.

Sonu

Wohoo....super marcie, you managed to create an article category. I can see it :)

Sonu

Please disturb - feeling lonely :(

Sonu Kapoor

I would have thought by now MS would have tied in custom stati to program's running.

Especially for...
Watching Movie (lots of ideas for media centre)
Presenting

And these could block out popups, etc.

I think it would be nice if I could attach a custom status to a machine - or a location. If I'm at home and I plug into the lan damnit - it should say that I'm home. Or at a client? Or in our classroom? or whatever.

I'd also like to have status that could be different for each of my contacts. Of course I'd also like it I could block my location from some people.

If you're going to put questions in your status, then you really should have a FAQ service - so when people ask - you don't have to go through the effort of typing it in...kind of like those faxback services.

I forgot to sign out. Flood away

Cool, and one more cool idea...

why not MSN introduce some cool Smart Tags for messages ?

Most of the users does'nt know much about chat jargon like BRB, CUL, JAM etc...MSN messenger can create smart tags for these words so that the users simply know what is that all meant for ? :)

No prob Marcie.

Sonu!

Congratulation marcie...:) Welcome to the world of 1 Gig :)

I know Scott's boss on his "day job", and I am sure he would miss him<g>.

I'd actually like MS to introduce a few for the workaholics

Out to Evening Meal
Out to Breakfast
Sleeping

:)

Take Outs for 19 May 2004

Here's one I'd sometimes like:

Bored - please, please, please disturn me

Actually I can't understand why these aren't customisable.

I run Trillian Pro to chat on MSN, Yahoo and AIM, and define my own "Away" status as the mood takes me.

At the moment favourites include "Scaring the kitchen" and "Giving my teddy bear a shower...". :)

Love,

Anna

.... unless you fly Lufthansa. They have in-flight WLAN and a 5MBit Internet feed on select routes now.

Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird; it's a plane; It's...

DataGrid Girl!!!

Thanks, that helped me!

He can link to a central site for embeddeding banner ads in user's blogs. Each person who has their own blog would display ads that come from Scott's site. The ads pay for development.

Maybe Redmond needs some of these smoothie machines!

How has the accessibility of GMail gotten? Is it usable in anything but the most advanced visual browsers yet, or is it stille dunged down with JavaScript navigation and such?

This is a smart way to seek a VOTE ;).

I will recommend Professional VB.NET and Professional ASP.NET, both published by Wrox Publications

Don Box's excellent Essential .NET Volume 1

I'm not familiar with VB books, but I highly recommend Essential ASP.NET by Fritz Onion.

He has two editions. One with samples in C#, the other in VB.NET.

I will recommend the excellent book ASP.Net Website by ZaK Ruvalcaba, edited by Sitepoint.

Great book for abegginer and all example in VB and C#

While I love Don like a brother, Essential .NET V1 is NOT a beginner book.

Without a doubt I'd reccomend: Visual Basic .NET Developer's Guide to ASP.NET, XML, and ADO.NET by Jeff McManus and Chris Kinsman.

It took me well over a year to really "get it" with .NET development, with many books along the way. Finally when I got this book, it all clicked. Then I went back and got so much more out of the other books.

I hope you enjoy the same.

Two books that helped me a lot:

1) Applied Microsoft .NET Framework Programming

2) Essential ASP.Net (VB or C#)

Always, always, always start with this one:

Applied Microsoft .NET Framework Programming (always learn the basics of the framework first)

then consider any of the other fine recommendations already made. One book I am starting to lean to as well is "Coder to Developer" by Mike Gunderloy.

Mike Gunderloy has a great book on learning ASP.NET with VB.NET. It's a study guide for the 70-305 certification test, but it is aimed at newbies and it has a LOT of small step-by-step examples.

It's about the only place in the world where women don't have to wait in line for restrooms.

I understand that wonderful feeling of not waiting in lines for the rest room when I go with my daughter to an Ani DiFranco concert (about 1 in 10 attendees at the average Ani concert are male<g>).

I would recommend "Beginning ASP.NET Databases" from the old Wrox press. There's a very hansome looking guy on the cover. (oh, yeah, I'm there too.)

I know you're on the rebound but you really should give RSS Bandit a try. All the cool kids are doing it.

Just make sure you practice safe RSS.

Actually I do have some ideas to fix the memory issues in SharpReader - either by dynamically unloading and reloading items, or possibly by switching to database-based storage. That last option would allow for the best scalability, but will also take some serious refactoring, so that would take a while to implement. I'll probably do option #1 first.

I'm not experiencing any hangs myself - the next time this happens for you, could you please email me your sharpreader.log files (from your app settings/sharpreader directory) and I'll see if I can figure out what's going on there. Your opml may help me reproduce the problem as well... thanks!

and don't worry - no matter what you decide, we can still be friends; #R may need a DataGrid one day...

I bought S4YH a couple of years ago and did not like it at all. While I thought the "team = product" pattern was interesting and useful, there were too many other ideas in it that seemed like they'd never work in practice. They just seemed too far off from the way things work in the real world.

Admittedly, I (obviously) never actually tried to implement any of the ideas they laid out. If you did and have had success in doing so, please post about it and I may just have to dig that book up again...

I use BLOGLINES...it's easy and small.

Marcie, listen to Dare. I don't mind of the bandit cheats on me.

Do what my daughters and their friends do: they change their Display Name to suit their status and/or mood about every 5 minutes.

Is there anywhere a good review of these applications?

I think that if either of these two did blog they would need to have feedback comments disabled or they'd be swamped with "give me some money"/"how do I get started in software business"/"give me a job"/"why I hate or love M$"/ etc.

I agree with me, which I always do of course.
You are never going to get a custom away message because msn passes the 'stati' around as integers. So just use your name, its far more flexiable anyways.

Hey Marcie,

Great to hear the MS blogs are working for you...would I like to see billg and steveb blog? Absolutely...others I'd like to see blogging:

Tony Blair
Richard Dawkins
Douglas R. Hofstadter
James T. Kirk

Wow...great post....

I'll check those links out as I'm rediscovering "tech" myself.

Nobius
nobius.blogspot.com

this is very suspicious, shouldn't there be 60 more than that? something's going on.

I agree with Dare. You should try RSS Bandit. I've been really happy with it.

This is an excellent idea.

Well done but does that mean you are leaving CP or gigging for both?

<indiana-jones>Pears! Why did it have to be Pears? I hate Pears...</indiana-jones>

+1 for intravniews. Very smooth product. Not quite as full featured as newsgator, but the price is spot on.

I have to admit, I didn't used to even like RSS Bandit, but the new version is pretty hot. Perhaps you should flirt with it first and you won't have to keep looking for another.

Wow...you do read a lot...:)

Didn't know that's how MS does interviews but then again I didn't know a lot of things before I started reading your cool blog.

Nobius

Just understand that none of the questions in the book are going to be asked. So the back half of the book is a fascinating read, especially if you like working out puzzles.

"Why are manhole covers round" is SO 1980's anyway :)

contact me @ dpk_sam@yahoo.co.uk for an invite.

On the center space on the game board should be:

"So..."

It's practically a gimme, but it should definitely be on there. Sorry I'm missing Tech-ed, it sounds like you're having a lot of fun.

u would find my recommendation funny or weird but I used MCSD preparation guide from MS Press to learn the basics of VB.net
Laxmi!

Spot someone not slagging off VB.NET.

Take Outs 24 May 2004

The keynote this morning saw SteveB at his usual level of passion and volume. Someone should explain to him about microphones and sound amplification. Then again, can you imagine a subdued SteveB? (and what would be the point?). Anyway, IBF (Information Bridge Framework) was announced finally, after many weeks of rumour. IBF is born of a wonderful concept that leverages existing LoB applications and Office. It brings together SmartDocs, SmartTags, WSE and Office XML. Better yet, it brings Outlook into the fold - so now its not just Word and Excel that get the managed programmability benefits. Plus an implementation...

I'm sitting inside the Exhibit hall and within my site I can see about 40 botles of red wine, about 10 different types of beer. No hard stuff though. Hmmm. Beer.

I wished I would be also there. :(

Sonu

Marcie - which is your favorite Little Debbie snack? I think my fav. is the Chocolate/Peanut Butter wafer stick things. Don't remember what they're called though.

I have to agree! Hopefully the snacks will be more interesting tomorrow.

Agreed.. they were pretty good on Sunday, but there's a definate trend here toward the wholesome good foods..

Baked potato chips? pass. ;)

I ate about 20 granola bars and my teeth hurt from all the sodas

cn someone invite me please
love from istanbul

Hey Marcie,

I blogged your TechEdBingo thing over at my site. www.petewright.org. Gonna try and move the concept to Teched Europe in a couple of weeks time.

Regards,

Pete

The sequel free prize inside is cool too. It follows the idea of purple cow by describing how remarkable innovations can be generated. I was lucky enough to get in early so mine came in a little cereal box :O)

I knew you were a marketing MSG, but only worse. This proves it. ;-)

Wally

Dear Datagrid Girl:

How many books do you read in a year? :)

I'm impressed by what I've seen so far. I read a lot about 80 books a year but nearly as many as I'd like. My wife reads about 5 times that amount. Those damn speed readers.

Nobius

Amen to that...RSS on every page...:)

I'm a speed reader too ;)

Marcie

LOL...speed readers must die...:)

Seriously, book sounds interesting and on the money. I'll have to try to check it out.

yah, Messenger Plus really helps...originally .NET My Services was going to have basically a status service, so if you were playing a game, it would say what game, maybe even what level, etc...becoming a little more context aware. maybe longhorn will address some of this...not sure

I see you. Can you say Hot Tub??

Try the exhibit hall, ms pavillion. He seems to be hanging out at the IIS/ASP.net booth.

"Story" - as in "We've got a powerful story."

Are you even remotely serious?

I'm glad I'm not there after hearing your reports! Brown strawberry smoothies -- yuck.

how can i get a gmail account?

Thanks for your annual TechEd snack and food reports, Marcie. I always anticipate them. When I went to TechEd 2001 in Atlanta I was swimming in Krispee Kremes! God, it was a great conference! sigh...

I managed to snag several kit kats and M&M's These will be good for the 5 hour plane ride home back to MIAMI.

I see you.... Hot Tub?

Why don't you actually try going to a session perhaps? That would be a change...

Toss an invite toward hexxb@msn.com please.

Marcie, only you could talk about dating an RSS aggregator and get away with it. funny stuff.

Hi Nobius, I'll like to get an invitation to use the Gmail as well. Will appreciate it if I can get one asap. Thnx, yamiracle@yahoo.com

i havnt Gmail account . Please guide me.

you just talk about grids and snacks...do you really think that's serious for someone that propose herself as a .net expert?...

i need to have g mail account

Please send me an invitation/account. Thanks. andreitamas@yahoo.com

Interesting... I'll try and catch him in action to see what he does. :)

Hi Marcie,

It's always good to see a smile. It looks like you had a blast!

Quite honetsly I've never made it to one of these events - all the fun stuff seems to happen in the US, and that's out of reach...even if my company would play ball (which they won't, sadly).

Oh well....back to the refactoring.

Just don't mention "I don't have any professional training." :D

Looks like #2 is something worth recording down.

The last I heard,
You are getting the hidden 'Control' Freaks out of their closets...

ListBoxBoy, CheckBoxKid, SubmitButtonAunt and even the RightButtonPopUpMenuGirlNextDoor are taking part in the Singapore IDOL too !

Wow...good luck!

i wan a gmail acc too!
pls help me!

10s
fai

I'm jealous. Not about the idol thing, but that you actually have an outside life, however little.

It was great meeting you. Sorry we were leaving as you arrived...

You are one mad woman :)

I love it. Have a great time.

Just saying Hi from sgdotnet usergroup. I'm not good at this, but, just wanna send my condolences to Marcie and her family. Losing a family member is a tough thing. Just thought I'd say we all understand, and pray everything will be all right for her and her family. ^_^ *Big hugs*

Regards,
triplez

Please let Marcie know that our thoughts are with her.

We are very sorry to hear about this. We send our deepest condolences to her and her loved ones and our thoughts are with her during this difficult period.

Don't worry about us for your family is your priority. Take good care of each other and have substantial rest.

"(Don't bother clicking through, he hasn't posed since 12/2003) "

If he actually "poses" in his blog, I'm not sure if I dared to click, anyway ;) Though that could be one reason why you are such a fan in the first place...

Seriously, I'm a great fan of ScottG, too. He takes development of ASP.NET seriously and his demos and texts are always interesting to follow.

I am sorry to hear about your loss, and I hope you and your family are doing well. Have a safe trip to Florida.

Few weeks ago I also lost a relative of mine. I know how Marcie feels. :( My condolences to Marcie.

Sonu

can't believe she got 58 invites! i've heard of people getting a few, but nothing like that. if you've still got any and are feeling generous, i'd love one too (who wouldn't?!). hallg at yahoo dot com

Sorry to hear about your loss, Marcie. Condolences to you and your family.

Take Outs for 3 June 2004

Our prayers are for you and your family.

I'm sorry to hear that... My condolences to you

I WANT ONE TOO!!!! ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!
OVER HERE!!!
please can you invite me
melissacheung78@hotmail.com
please

That's really sad. Best to you both.

Nobius

I NEED A GMAIL ACCOUNT. PLEASE PLEASE!!!!! SEND ME A E-MAIL I´LL BE PLEASED FOREVER eovini@yahoo.com.br

regist in that mail account

Thanks a lot! You saved me from a windows reinstall.

can some one tel me that how much it will take to give us a chance

dear friends i want a g mail accoubt please send me how can i get it.. show me the way.
thanks..

oh god, oh, oh, oh god
I'd have another orgasm if someone gave me a Gmail invite!!!

if u get some info on chat applivation in ASP.NEt then pls send me also as i also want to develope a web based chat server....... my email id is mfazal2001@yahoo.com

Am I alone in wondering what the big deal is with GMail - 1GB of space...umm...got 160Gb on my mail server right here...the search function...hmm...I just don't do that very often (and Lookout is perfectly up to the job if I need to). I just don't get why everyone is so excited...well apart from Google who get a great Data-Mining resource...

Well...not everyone has a 160GB mail server at their disposal. Also, the ability to access their email from anywhere with an Internet connection is huge. Of course I'm talking about that without Terminal Services or OWA since most users don't have those tools at their disposal. I'm not totally hyped about Gmail, but definitely interested in seeing it in action and the affect it has out there.

I don't understand why I still haven't got invitational powers :-( Any idea how you got it, Marcie?

No idea, maybe divine intervention.

--M

maybe it's because of the pink?

If you give me an invite I will teach you swear words in Irish (plus any other things) martinlorimer@ntlworld.com

Marty - "You're Fired!"

I would like a gmail invite because I am the only person that has had relations with the datagrid control.

mcafee_online@earthlink.net

wow, people really can't read instructions!

How long do we all have to anxiously wait? :)

If you give me an invite, I'll stop.

There's a few more G-mail invites up-for-grabs... I have the same problem as Marcie - got 3 invites - and no-one to give 'em too...

I need the invitation from anyone ....
rana@ranksitt.com

Please send a gmail invitation for me,too
nima_amini@yahoo.com

Just wanted to say my thanks to Marcie for the invitation. I really appreciate that. Thanks again Marcie.

Pepe and Goobers are trashing my house right now = (

good change in email system

please send me invitation for my use and reference,thanks

Hello im looking for a Gmail invitation , but it's all right if you dont send me one, but would very mutch appreciated it. My email is ypp@nb.sympatico.ca. Thanks for the invite if someone invites me.

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good change in email system

i want g mail account right now

If anyone has an invite, I'd be forever grateful. I've had too many problems with my account and would love to switch to gmail. apexsensation@yahoo.com

my yahoo box is now 100 mb , and yesterday 100% usage now showing me only 4% usage of total space.

I want Gmail, how i can get ?

Ha ha!
i have gmail now! insert smug face. :D

Good luck in Oshawa (sounds chinese).

bring back the spice cakes and the lemon cream wafers. Please

If anyone has an Gmail invitation please help me

Thanks
sareb@be2.net

hey plz slipkornmx@hotmail.com
or davezero0@yahoo.com
plz i want a gmail account!!! :'( =( :(
:S

Where, when? Oh yeah...so just where?

Kitchener/Waterloo :)

All you (or Kate) had to do was ask. I am the King of SWAG and could have hooked you up. Talk to your bosses too. They have given away seats in their courses in the past as prizes.

dave.

Well, I did give away an ObjectSharp class too, but that wasn't as much fun as my origami frog :D

Seeing that I was first pick for the prizes, I seriously considered that paper frog but I could feel the copy of MS Office calling my name...

Can some one out the send me an gmail invitation at jainrasik@yahoo.com

I would really like a gmail invite! Pretty please! sdiden@excite.com

Excellent. I look forward to it. Can you post the info, closer to the date.

I really do want it but only because I don't want to be left out. So if anyone can invite me that would be nice. Thanks, Rob
mrwea2000@hotmail.com

I think mr. pushpen is being a little to greedy.

I would like to have one too! VERY MUCH! Please..!!

^^

kh87@hotmail.com << thanks in advance!

If you get one send one my way too please!

dip1980@aol.com

How would you change things? Fewer authors would mean more pages per author. With schedules shortening, that does not seem likely. Publishers want the authors to do more work for less money. That doesn't seem fair. 14 is probably too many, but 2 would be too few. Must be a happy medium somwhere.....

Wally

I was always a big Wrox fan until they started having the "author per chapter: books. There was no flow at all, it was like reading a bunch of magaine articles bound in book form.

so how long before you get gmail invitations? I've had my account since the 15th June ... but no invites yet ...

It's not the number of authors that bothers me but the number of pages. The best books I have seem to cover their subject in a couple of hundred. But publishers appear to like 800+ page blockbusters. Perhaps it's the need for so many pages that requires so many authors.

I have Wrox's Prof XML (2nd Ed) that I picked up from Borders for a dollar (clearance sale) - the book has 13 authors! I wonder why Wrox went out of business..

Definitely over kill! In fact the book prolly wont be much fun to read as it wont have any style of its own.

Nish

I think it could sounds like a sign of possible changement... lots of business entities are planning to migrate to Linux. But the real alarm for MS I think could be what we are seeing in these days: some pc vendors starts to sell PC with Linux preinstalled, with a sensible low cost compared to the normal price. This could be the road for migration.

I think it'd be great if someone actually editted the books before publication. Lots of recent books have had sloppy editting.

Precisely the reason I stopped buying Wrox books or those huge Unleashed/Special Edition/Bible things. The problem with having so many authors is that the core substance of the book becomes diluted and confused. You also stand in the bookshop thinking..."if I could just tear out this chapter because thats all I need".

Before the demise of Wrox they started to bring out their 'Handbook' series on specific topics - Code Security, Data Security etc. I thought this was a cracking idea. No more 1200 page(/Lb) bricks of paper to plough through to collate the knowledge I required to do a specific task - it was all gathered together in a single pocket sized (almost) format.

Big chunky books are fine if they're single topic but when they try to appeal to all and sundry and have a busload of authors then I just won't buy them.

Can anyone send me an invitation to gmail?
Promise that if I get an Invite I will pass my three invitations to the first three who contact me. If those three do that same, we all can have an account.

my email is Neeki4444@yahoo.com

thanks

Please can someone send me an invite at dublin_people@hotmail.com

I REALLY WANT TO GET IN

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