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Thoughts On Pizza

Where I grew up in New York, pizzas came in small, medium, and large and were usually $5.00, $6.50, and $8.00, respectively. You could order a large pizza and a two-liter of soda for $10, and it would arrive cut four ways, resulting in eight relatively equal slices that comfortably fed four people.

Now, I live in Washington, which seems to have a different take on pizza. The pizza sizes are physically the same, but the size names are adjusted such that a "small" is called "medium", "medium" is called "large", and "large" is called "extra large". These fabulous new names come with a hefty 100% markup, with prices usually reaching upwards of $10.00, $13.00, and $16.00, respectively.

I love good pizza, so I wouldn't really mind these inflated prices if the pizza was really good. Unfortunately, it usually isn't, which may be a combination of my New York pride and my New York egotism. I don't have high expectations for the template pizzas you find from chains like Dominos or Pizza Hut, nor do I expect much from the chain restaurants that offer "personal" pizzas such as the California Pizza Kitchen, but I do expect a lot of quality from the small corner pizzerias. Instead, I find a variety of tactics employed to justify the high cost:

  1. They put "New York" in their name or description, such as "New York-style pizza"
  2. They cut the pizza fifty extra times, resulting in a hundred pizza shards
  3. They stuff the box with three pounds of red pepper, parmesan, salt, and other assorted packets
  4. They practice any of the other devious tricks of the Washington pizza trade

The worst part is that I know there's nothing I can do. I've found a few places with pretty good pizza, but they're across the pond (Lake Washington) in Seattle, whereas I live in Redmond.

If you can recommend a place for good pizza, please let me know. I do travel a bit, so feel free to post places worldwide. If I'm in town, I may just buy you a slice :-)

Comments

Brian Desmond said:

If you're ever in Chicago, I've found "Chicago's Pizza" to be excellent. Their prices aren't bad either. Giordano's is okay as well - prices are a bit on the hefty side, though.
# October 14, 2003 6:06 AM

Phil Weber said:

Ed: If you're ever in Portland (Oregon), let me know and I'll buy YOU a slice of Escape from New York Pizza (http://portland.citysearch.com/review/8465231/editorial/). It'll make you homesick.
# October 14, 2003 8:33 AM

Steve Makofsky said:

In New Haven, CT: Pepe's and The Spot. Nothing comes close. I've been searching high and low for some decent pizza out here in Seattle. Northlake Tavern is good, but, it's still no Pepe's.
# October 14, 2003 12:30 PM

PieMaster said:

Bottom line, best NY Pizza is #1: Di Farra's on Avenue J in Brooklyn (take the Q train), and #2: Tottonno's in Cony Island, #3 The Pizza Truck on Park Avenue and 47th St (midtown Manhattan). Read 'em and weep :) New Haven once had good pie, and it still embarrasses anything west of CT, but those 3 above are in a league of their own. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, so much of good pizza is determined by the NYC water and the old pipes in the lower east side and brooklyn. That simply cannot be accounted for anywhere else. Chicago may have a similar thing going for it, I wouldn't know.
# October 14, 2003 1:04 PM

Chris Kinsman said:

Pagliacci. The ones downtown are better but they have an output at the corner of Northup and Bel-Red.
# October 14, 2003 1:16 PM

MartinJ said:

It's a bit of a drive for me, but I love going to the original Cottage Inn Pizza in Ann Arbor, MI. You don't want the pizza from any of their satellite stores (very similar to a Little Ceaser). The original is a full service restaurant, complete with its own micro brewery. Wait. You wanted to know about pizza, not beer. Yeah. They gots them some good pizza there, too.
# October 15, 2003 11:23 AM

Darrell said:

In Richmond, VA the best is Bottoms Up pizza. Killer pizza *loaded* with toppings!
# October 15, 2003 2:47 PM

Eric Gunnerson said:

I think part of it is the Microsoft effect. I went to school in Tacoma, and there were a number of places that made respectable pies for the aforementioned prices. But it's true that there are no good small pizza places around here, and lots of mediocre ones. Of the chains, I think round table does the best pizza, but since they require a home equity loan for a large, they should. I've never been a fan of "new york" pizza because the versions out here have been so bad. Maybe I just need the authentic. (oh, as a side note, the pizzas in Italy are fantastic, but very different from American pizza, which seem to be mostly focused on the amount of cheese you can put in a single box. )
# October 15, 2003 9:34 PM

Lydia said:

very good site u should have all the different names and definitions of Pizzas though
# May 14, 2004 2:48 AM

Steve said:

Piecora's locations in Kirkland and on 1st Hill in Seattle. Excellent, made with the good stuff. Owned and operated by New Yorkers.
# July 1, 2004 9:00 PM

Josh said:

The pizza truck on 47th is good, but no way should it be one of the top 3 in NYC. It's too sweet. The list leaves off John's, Arturro's, Lombardi's, Patsy's and Gramaldi's
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