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    Windows Vista Beta 1 Notes

    It's almost 4 AM here and I'm still up.  Am I hardcore or insane?  I'll let you be the judge because I already know the truth...ouch!  Anywho, this is extremely crude (since I'm short on time), but after installing Beta 1 and just playing with it like any consumer would for a few hours and taking down everything that I notice (bugs, new features, removed features, changes from XP, things I think are cool, etc) and even a few screen shots from some of the things I've been writing down and the follow is what I came up with.  I'm sorry it's so crude (this is just copy/paste from notepad and print screens from paint), but I've got to get to bed...you understand!  :P

    Install

    -Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse doesn't work for setup (I'm sure it will work in later builds)
    -In the future it would be nice if bluetooth device installation were part of the final start-up process so you can at least use the device instead of being screwed.
    -When creating a new partition there is no indication that it's working on building the new partition except for my hard drive light blinking periodically.  Would be nice to see a wait cursor or something to let me know it's working.
    -Glad to see the entire installation process can be done with just a keyboard now (early Alphas had some "issues")
    -I like that there are only two steps to get it installing
    -Not sure why the installation is even laid out into two steps.  What's the point of steps if there's only two?  Why not just say at the beginning that we need to collect some information before installation can begin.  Then installation just begins and goes from there with the progress bar.
    -Pet Peeve: Completing installation screen should not use the poor man's progress bar (progress bar moves at a set and constant rate and starts over in a loop until windows is done).  I know this is a beta, just saying...  ;)
    -Total installation time was approximately 2 hours...not bad.

    Windows

    -Pretty dialog movement (zooms in and out [kind of mac'ish])
    -Sound didn't install (to be expected)
    -Switching to 1600x1200 on my nVidia GeForce FX 5200 gave a blue screen of death
    -Tooltips seem to be a bit smarter and sort of move out of the way.  Might be nice if they could be transparent.
    -Impressed that it already showed my batter backup that's connected via USB and it's status.  XP never did that.
    -Bluetooth device wizard has some bug still that XP did where you can't tab to the device selection box once the device is found.  This is crucial if you don't have a mouse hooked up at all other than your bluetooth mouse that you're trying to add.
    -The Aero skin is very cool
     -The transparent bar and border do a neat effect with bluring what's behind it like plastic.  It's even more transparent towards the center than the edges.
     -Rollover is cool for window buttons (LED glow effect)
     -dropshadow
    -Shell acts like a browser and shows that it's "loading" in the address bar
    -MSN Desktop Search appears to have become Windows Search (looks very similar)
    -Presentation Mode in System Tray
    -Broadcast a Presentation (doesn't work, what a tease)
    -Close Button for window is bigger than minimize and maximize
    -Display Properties -> Desktop Tab -> Background -> Position is automatic now
    -Search in start bar
    -UAP (Allows you to run under a non-administrative account all the time, then when administrative privelages are needed, it will prompt you for the password...very cool)
    -Neat Categorizations (True the day of folders is ending for Windows users, but why call them virtual folders?  Is my mom going to understand what that is?)
    -Auxiliary Display?  Huh?
    -Sync Manager
    -Parental Control
    -Programs (Manage the programs on your machine, updates, etc)
    -Solutions to Problems (Manage History of Problems, check up on resolutions, etc)
    -Windows Backup
    -Notepad gets a new icon!
    -Pretty fast for the most part
    -All Programs fills up start window instead of a popup menu and adds a back button (great!)  The idea of browsing around for what you want is taking over everywhere.
    -Can't resolve computers on my local network (possibly related to default settings of windows firewall?  Strangely, if I expand "Network" while in an open dialog or other shell locations, I can see the computers on my network that doing a simple ping on, doesn't resolve)
    -Remote Desktop confirms that you trust the source you're connecting to and allows you to not allow the remote computer access to your clipboard
    -Remote Desktop functions pretty much the same except that your cursor is black instead of white
    -Delete file dialog gives you more information and an image preview of what you're deleting if you're only deleting one item
    -Keywords on pictures and keyword filtering...very awesome for categorizing your stuff
    -New options under customize start menu
     -Highlight newly installed programs
     -Network (although clicking on this option brings up a blank shell)
     -Open submenus when I pause on them with the mouse pointer
     -Set Program Access and Defaults
     -Sort All Programs menu by name
    -Fantastic new file copy dialog
    -Open/Save dialogs are now just modal dialog explorer windows (resizable, woohoo, file type dropdown off to the side, all files shown and currently selected file types are highlighted, instead of side bar like in XP for common locations, there's a common locations folder)
    -Image Preview (for say a jpg saved on your desktop) shows the exact size and shape (like Photoshop)
    -Why isn't timezone selection in setup anymore?
    -"My" is completely gone (now called, Computer, Network, Documents)
    -You can now have Control Panel show up on your desktop
    -Pretty neat that clicking on the separating line of a group in the shell selects all the items in that group
    -Trying to run "setup a home or small office network" results in this error...RunDLL, Error loading hnetwiz.dll, The specified module could not be found
    -BUG: The top left corner of a window (when maximized) does not activate the window dropdown like in every version of windows before.  The Closing "X" isn't in the top right either and it really should be.
    -Modal dialog resize problem...When a modal dialog is resized, such as clicking the more options button on the IE Security dialog, the window goes through it's fading in animation again instead of just resizing.  Same thing with installation wizards on every step.  I understand why it's happening (it must be a whole new window), but there either needs to be a fix for this or some way for developers to get around it.
    -Passport setup dialog appears to work (correctly, unlike the above mentioned wizards).  It also doesn't show the back button by the next button, but instead shows a browser back button in the top left hand side of the dialog)
    -Tab order is messed up on passport setup login dialog (using tab never gets to the password field...apparently it didn't really save my password either because it told me my password was blank, but after entering it again, went in fine)

    IE 7.0

    -Home & End keys don't work in address bar
    -MSN Search bar in IE (cool, even lets you use other search engines and add your own)
    -Tabbed Browsing (never really cared for the feature, but it seems really interesting.  Has a little blank tab you can click to bring up a new tab...nice!  New tab brings up blank page and not home page...this is very good!  Ctrl+T for new tab...now if I could only drag them and change their order, i'd be set)
    -Feed button is there, but nothing like what was demo'd on the channel 9 video.  Better luck next beta!
    -No more dropdown on back and foward button, just one dropdown that shows the history for the current browser life
    -Tools -> Delete Browsing History (All in one shabang...great!)
    -IE Team blog in favorites by default, but it just takes you to the RSS feed...wth?
    -Funky full screen bugs when you bring it out of full screen mode the top toolbar is double in height
    -Weblogs.asp.net New Post Text Editor does not function at all in IE 7
    -new progress bar in status bar is neat, but a little distracting
    -css support looks good so far, but i haven't actually tested anything, other than running a couple sites to see

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    Comments

    Frans Bouma said:

    "Fantastic new file copy dialog"
    Is the underlying functionality also changed? As in: if you copy a 100MB file from one partition to another, on teh same HDD, does it still copy in 4KB chunks (also true for copying a large file between folders), which is very very slow ?
    # July 28, 2005 8:05 AM

    Wallym said:

    Geez, go to bed...........
    # July 28, 2005 8:55 AM

    Adam P said:

    Lookin' hot!
    # July 28, 2005 10:55 AM

    Erik Porter said:

    Frans, I really have no idea about what you're asking, so you'll have to try it yourself (you should at some point anyway ;))
    # July 28, 2005 1:00 PM

    Sahil Malik said:

    LOL, Frans asks the toughest questions :)
    # August 1, 2005 6:25 AM

    Stan said:

    Hi, just a question because i've got a problem you dont seem to have : vista asks me a password for the administrator and the guest account, so i cant log in, that is crazy ! can somebody help me ?
    # August 1, 2005 7:49 AM

    Elevati0n said:

    Hi, I have that problem too... What admin/Guest password? it's crazy...
    # August 1, 2005 11:55 AM

    Tommy said:

    I got that problem too... anyone got solution for it ? Please email me at tommylad@gmail.com if you got it.

    tOmmy
    # August 2, 2005 10:20 AM

    tony said:

    Big problem for wifi intel PRO 2200BG ...IT's not running
    loosing connection everytime
    can you confirm?????
    # August 2, 2005 3:00 PM

    Alex said:

    hmmm... I've installed last night. It simply sucks. I'm still waiting for Mac OS X x86
    # August 2, 2005 5:47 PM

    Chris said:

    Mapping Samba Network Drives not working?
    (Samba on Debian(Linux))
    It just says password failed.. even though its the same details i use for the login to the share on XP :\
    # August 4, 2005 5:56 PM

    PetE said:

    Logitech webcams dont work, sound does not work, great graphics ..very stylish

    *waits for beta 2 in october* cant live without sound.
    # August 4, 2005 10:10 PM

    Thomas said:

    Vista Beta 1

    Can not gain outside network access -
    I have an IP address- which I know is correct.
    Can not ping - Firewall on or off -

    Tried ipconfig release/renew
    Nothing Works -
    Boot back into XP - correct IP address and connection works fine.
    Using IE 7.0 on both.
    Anyone have any ideas.
    # August 7, 2005 7:15 PM

    geezer said:

    No sound
    Blue screen (unrecovorable) installing apps like Symantec.
    No LAN
    highly unstable
    unusable in present incarnation.
    Let's wait for beta 2
    # August 8, 2005 7:18 PM

    Emmerson said:

    Beautifly crafted Aero Skin, makes the OS look and feel like Microsoft have actually been doing some thinking, file managment is great too, the whole thing has a certain "Mandrake" linux feel to it.
    Very clean lines make the desktop look tidy no matter how many icons.
    Truely a remarkable next step imho.

    however... i would like my mouse to keep active

    this beta 1 5112 seems to "Drop" the drivers.
    if any1 has info on that, please say...

    Excelent work !
    Microsoft, if you had released this tomorrow, i would have gone bought it then... no matter what the cost !
    # August 9, 2005 11:59 PM

    Emmerson said:

    Spec :
    Operating System: (Windows Longhorn XP Professional 6.0 (Build #5112))
    Uptime: (17m 47s) ¤ Record: (3h 50m 52s set on Tue Aug 09 11:22:34 2005)
    Memory Usage: (Usage: 234/512MB (45.70%) ¤ (||||||||||||||----------------))
    Display Info: (1152x864 32bit 60Hz) ¤ Monitor: (Inves 19" FlatScreen)
    CPU Info: (1 CPU - AMD Sempron 2600+ (T-Bred), 1.84 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 256KB (0% Load)
    Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 74.52/9.14GB
    Connection/Network Interfaces: (VIA Rhine II Compatible Fast Ethernet Adapter (10Mb/s) 0.96MB In, 0.54MB Out)
    # August 10, 2005 12:04 AM

    Anon1 said:

    Runs really fast for a beta! It's almost as fast as XP on the same machine - and I wouldn't even expect that from the finished version. Every one else complains about stability but I've had no probs. Graphics are really smooth and good even on my Ati X300 (the cheapest card around). The bugs get annoying after a while though so I'm not using it as my primary OS. Bugs like icons vanishing and broken features such as hibernate. I did by the way get all my drivers to install (inc sound, modem, and NIC) but some had to be installed manually from my drivers CD.

    If anyone is having trouble installing drivers then use device manager to install them and select manually select driver and then point it to a folder on the drivers disk with .inf files in - the rest is automatic. Self installing drivers like those from HP often don't work unless you can extract them.

    I also havn't had any success with antivirus - but I don't need it anyway - if this machine gets a virus then I just reformat it :-)

    Overall Vista beta 1 is great but not quite good enough to use as a primary OS due to lack of program and driver compatibility and a few bugs and incomplete features.
    # August 11, 2005 7:42 PM

    Anon1 said:

    One other thing:

    Install only took 13 mins 35 secs installing from windows XP to a new partition from a mounted DVD image. (measured from the time it started copying files till showing the start menu of the completed install)

    It shows how much of a delay the CD drive delay is!
    # August 11, 2005 7:47 PM

    Chuch said:

    any work arounds for sound? I have made the beta my primary OS, aside from sound, i have no reason not to
    # August 13, 2005 8:32 PM

    Wardy said:

    i have been running it now as a development machine with visual studio .net as both the os and the studio run on the framework they run pretty well but ive noticed it doesnt like to multi task.

    if i am writing an app in studio and then flick over to something else it will stop and think for about 5 mins then decide its going to go ahead.

    also ive found that wireless networking and longhorn tend to conflit in that the machine runs fine until i connet to my network then it seems to degrade in performance until its unusable.

    but last time it did this i left it running and 1 week after all the grief im trying to get the iis running again like i had it in xp !

    seems to be fine locally but yet again i have some networking issues with it but all in all id say it looks nice whilst ur waiting around and im not really in that much of a rush.

    once u actually get ur apps up and running they run nice so its all good really :)
    # August 18, 2005 2:12 PM

    Wardy said:

    anyone know how i can get a little more stable networking in to longhorn ?
    # August 18, 2005 2:14 PM

    Erik Porter said:

    Wait for Beta 2 ;) No really, I've noticed a lot of networking issues as well. In the channel 9 video they talked about that the entire network stack has been rewritten so no wonder there are still some major bugs. I'm sure beta 2 will be a lot better.
    # August 18, 2005 2:19 PM

    David said:

    has touble displaying text in some box's example FTP programs and Winscp3 does not work at all
    # August 19, 2005 4:37 AM

    Haydz said:

    Some dramas getting it to talk to the other computers on the network, can access them but they can't seem to access the shares on the longhorn computer, firewall up or down. Any thoughts?

    Apart form that not too bad. Decent speed on a 1.5g athlon and 512mb ram.
    # August 23, 2005 9:56 PM

    Tarl said:

    Very few probs here. Installed fine and with some digging and research was able to acquire all the right drivers so I have sound, good video and can connect to the internet and 70% of my other home networked computers.

    I am unable to hookup to the main computer for some reason. I get the error, "You do not have access to the listed network resource, check with the administrator for rights." or something like that.

    Strange, but working around it, and still researching it.

    Other than that, pretty stable for an early beta, and did I say FAST. I notice the speed already faster than WinXP on the same machine.

    Tarl
    # August 24, 2005 11:52 AM

    Matt said:

    what are the minimum system requierments you need to run windows vista?
    # August 27, 2005 1:55 AM

    Matt said:

    sry to double post but is windows vista 64-bit?
    # August 27, 2005 1:57 AM
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