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Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows

My best friend Jeroen van den Bos has just posted a great article about why Visual Studio should be part of Windows. Jeroen and I share a long history together and as we're both ex-demosceners, I fully understand his reasoning and I wholeheartly agree with his point: make Visual Studio.NET Express part of Windows Vista.

I too started programming a long time ago, on a Toshiba HX-10 MSX-1 computer. And as Jeroen described, I too had the same experience: you start up the computer, within a few seconds you end up in the computer's interface which is actually the program editor as well. Typing in listings from a magazine, altering a few variables and whoa, the screen turned yellow instead of green, cool!

The path towards getting things running on your computer was very short, though since then it became more and more difficult to get started into using the computer just for writing a simple application: in the early days, GWBasic was shipped with DOS, however today, it's less obvious to 'run into' program source as a novice computer user and to get offered that possibility to even alter a few things and see what it does. People have become more and more passive users instead of active users.

To stop losing the potential of next-year developers to linux, I agree with Jeroen: bundle the VS.NET Express editions with Vista (one or more). Make the user of the OS again an active user, and who knows, perhaps a whole new group of potential programmers is found.

Published Friday, June 23, 2006 3:23 PM by FransBouma

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# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Friday, June 23, 2006 9:37 AM

Would be nice. I started programming with qbasic because it came with MSDOS (was beter if it was C :-) ). But most likely this will give problems with the EU, bundeling developer tools with the OS.

Michiel

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Friday, June 23, 2006 10:19 AM

Good old Gorilla :-)

Armand du Plessis

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Friday, June 23, 2006 12:53 PM

I loved my MSX.  I had friends who had Apple IIc(e) at the time and I was like laughing at them constantly.
Anyway, the last time they shipped something together (IE), they got sued.
I love the idea though.

Jiho Han

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Friday, June 23, 2006 1:48 PM

coincidence ? Microsoftie Adam Nathan just blogged about joining a new team: Tuscany.

"The Tuscany team is responsible for creating the next-generation experience for enthusiast and hobbyist developers..."

http://blogs.msdn.com/adam_nathan/archive/2006/06/23/644316.aspx

Rolando

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:01 PM

I agree completely, I started my programming career on a mainframe, but a Pet Commodore and later a commodore 64 is what I played with at home, and enjoyed a lot more than the mainframe , which in my current job I use again on accasion, (amazing how little has changed in 25 yrs in that area!!!). Having an easy interface for programming as part of the os would hopefully create a new generation of programmers.

Drewes Kooi

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:48 PM

Remember IE bundle? :-) I guess MS would have huge antitrust problems if the do so.

Miha Markic

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:07 PM

Loose the next generation of developers to Linux? Do you really think thats a big threat/possibility?

Dave

# re: Jeroen vd Bos on Why Visual Studio should be part of Windows@ Monday, July 03, 2006 7:09 AM

I totally agrees with Miha on this point. EU will likely force MS to make a version (that nobody buys!) without Visual Studio.

Klaus