Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Posted Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:00 AM by G Andrew Duthie

Got the machine that I ordered for my longhorn, etc. experiments. I actually got it on Friday, but my wife told me in no uncertain terms that I needed to finish my latest article for the MSDN ASP.NET Developer Center before I opened the box. She was right, of course, as I proceeded to (as soon as the article was done and wending its way to Kent) stay up until 5am getting the server (mostly) set up.

In addition to the stock setup that I ordered, I added 1GB of 400mhz DDR RAM, an inexpensive Radeon 9200se knock-off (8x AGP, 128MB video RAM), and a 4X DVD+R/RW drive. I didn't have a chance to install the software for DVD playing/burning until today, but the only problem I ran into was that the freebie version of Roxio's Easy CD Creator (with DVD) stinks, big time. It's an old version, of course, and although I was able to get it to recognize my drive after downloading the latest patches, it locked up at the very end of the burning process, and required a reboot to unlock the drive. So I downloaded a demo copy of Nero, which seems to do the job much better. Perhaps worth the $70, if it'll save me from destroying disks left and right (and pulling my hair out).

The really excellent news is that I'm able to confirm that all of the 800mhz bus versions of the 400sc use Hyperthreaded processors. Since the first OS I installed was Windows Server 2003 (I haven't gotten around to installing Longhorn yet, probably tomorrow), I didn't need to do a thing to enable hyperthreading. So far, the box seems very zippy. We'll see how the performance is with Longhorn.

To make a long story short, whether you're looking for a machine to play with Longhorn on, or just an inexpensive server or workstation machine, I would certainly recommend that you take a look at the Dell 400sc. It's inexpensive, the performance so far seems very good, and the build quality and attention to detail are really impressive. The chassis is nearly completely toolless (the only exception being that you need a screwdriver to attach the drive rails if you're installing a new drive), and is set up to make upgrades almost entirely painless. To upgrade the video card I simply opened the case, released the latch holding in all the expansion cards, removed the crappy 8MB PCI card, installed the new AGP card (note that AGP is functional, but not officially supported), and replaced the latch. All of the drive cable plugs have loop handles so that you can remove the plugs without straining the cable or bending pins...very well-thought out. As if you can't tell, I'm very pleased with this machine (I'm already considering buying another to replace a noisy rack server I use for my Web server...unlike my noisy box, the 400sc is nearly silent).

UPDATE: If you're running Longhorn on hardware (as opposed to in a VM), I'd be very interested in hearing what kind of video card you're running and whether you have hardware acceleration working properly with the card. If I can find out about a card that's verified to work with Longhorn without crashing it, I may bite the bullet and pick up a new card to see what difference hardware acceleration makes.

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# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:19 AM by HumanCompiler

Sounds like the 400sc is configured a bit nicer than the 1500sc...it's still well thought out, but a bit clunkier to upgrade.

One question...my new Dell XPS machine has hyperthreading and it shows up in task manager as two processors, to trick Windows into passing it things to be processed in a dual like way and the hardware takes care of the rest (running on XP Pro)...does 2003 do the same thing or does it work differently?

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:55 AM by Jeff Julian

Nice!

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:15 AM by G. Andrew Duthie

Well, it shows up in both Device Manager and Task Manager as two separate processors. As I understand it, though, Task Manager will not necessarily show accurate processor utilization numbers for a hyperthreaded processor, because it doesn't really grok hyperthreading (I'm repeating something I heard or read, so don't quote me on that <g>).

I can also confirm that the HT processor shows up as two processors in Longhorn (which I just installed). As for whether task manager is any more accurate in tracking CPU utilization for HT processors in LH is anyone's guess.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:34 AM by SBC

I am beginning to like my Dell 400SC (http://weblogs.asp.net/sbchatterjee/posts/37162.aspx).
The original card that came with it is indeed crappy! I am waiting for another card for its replacement. Sorry to see from your other posting that 'Longhorn' doesn't get along too well with the 400SC.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:01 AM by G. Andrew Duthie

SB,

Actually, Longhorn gets along great with the 400sc, it's the video card that's not so much.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:09 PM by Sean Alexandre

I just got Longhorn running this weekend too!! I ordered a Radeon 9600 SE with 128MB. Works great. I didn't need to manually install a driver.

When I spoke to an assistant at the hands-on-lab at PDC about hardware, she said she was running Longhorn with the same video card.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:35 PM by G. Andrew Duthie

Well it looks like the 9600 Pro is on sale this week at CompUSA (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=303800&pfp=ADPRODUCTS), so perhaps I'll pick one up and see if it works better than the one I'm using now. I can always save that one for my next 400sc, since it seems to work fine with Windows 2003.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:20 PM by SBC

I picked up an ATI A-I-W 8500DV on a clearance (good price) - http://weblogs.asp.net/sbchatterjee/posts/40353.aspx

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Monday, January 19, 2004 6:58 PM by John

Does the "Not Supported" label mean anything regarding the AGP slot on the 400SC ? I notices in the specs there's no mention of an AGP slot, so I was surprised when I opened the case to see an AGP slot.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Monday, January 19, 2004 8:49 PM by G. Andrew Duthie

Hi John,

I think it pretty much means "not supported". ;-)

Seriously, though, I think Dell decided to use a mobo with AGP support, but to ship it with a really crappy video card and not officially support AGP to make it less attractive as a desktop replacement (since it's a good bit cheaper than a similarly configured desktop). It is functional, and I've had no problems running my Radeon 9600 Pro card (8x AGP), nor the VisionTek card (4x AGP, IIRC) that I have in the other 400SC. I use the machine with the 9600 Pro for video capture and rendering, and have no problems with that, and Halo plays great on it. So if you're of a mind to get an AGP video card, I'd say go for it, but I would tend to stick with the major brands (ATI and nVidea) just for future compatibility with things like Longhorn (if you care about that).

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:26 PM by Ray Range

I hope I can install a modem. Just bought a
400sc on ebay. Its going to take a bit of work
to get 98se to work. Ohhhh no.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:05 PM by Mtn Man

Gotta remember that when a vendor says that something is "not supported" it doesn't mean that it won't work. It susposedly dosen't support XP, and the onboard Intel sound isn't supported, BUT it all works fine on my 400SC. Plus the current price from Dell was sweet! pay close attention to the free upgrades that can be selected. I found a free upgrade from 2.0 Celeron to 2.26 P4 w/512 L2 cache, and $35 to double the HD size.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:33 AM by SANCHEZ3717

I INSTALLED A MODEM IN MY 400SC EVERYTHING WELL
BUT WHEN I GOT ON THE INTERNET EVERYTHING WENT DEAD?
WHATS GOING ON, DID I BLOW IT UP?

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:08 PM by G. Andrew Duthie

I have no idea...have you tried calling Dell tech support, or visiting the support Web site? If the system is new, it should be under warranty.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:25 PM by Sandman

I have to say this the one of the smartest buys a consumer can make if he or she wants a nice high-end desktop/Workstation. Don't be scared off by the "not supported" stamp, Everthing works fine with XP and RH 9.0. This is one of the best purchases I have made. Since I design graphics and love to play games this system is an all around jack of all trades.... Please note that there are also USB ports in the front
under the front bezel and one can order from Dell.

PowerEdge 400SC Bios A05
P4 HT 2.4 800FSB
1024 MB Crucial PC 3200 Dual Chan
PNY 5600FX Ultra 800MHZ
Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
Memorex DVDR/RW+
LiteOn DVD 16xROM
Maxtor 160GB 8MBCache UtlraATA133

Has anyone configured with SATA???

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Monday, March 29, 2004 7:38 PM by wanderer

Check out this website...

http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8

info on the 400sc. Cool stuff.

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Friday, August 06, 2004 9:30 PM by tim

does it come with an HT processor from Dell factory? Is the stock 2.8G 800Mhz FSB chip a HT one?
Also is HT meaningful on W2k OS?
Thanks

# re: Got my Dell PowerEdge 400SC

Friday, August 06, 2004 11:50 PM by G. Andrew Duthie

Tim,

The machines I got were both stock HT procs. When you buy, the processor option you choose should have either HT or "hyper-threaded" listed with the processor speed.

As far as HT and Win2K, I don't know for sure, but I'd be surprised if Win2K is HT-aware. Don't quote me on that, though, as I've never tried it.

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