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re: More WebForms roadblocks and a glimpse of hope

Andre Tagesgeld — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:35:15 GMT

Years ago, I was also in the mood to switch to LAMP, instead of fighting for ASP.NET in my company. Today we´re happy that we based everything on .NET/Microsoft-World (except the Database). And one reason for this are web controls. Although hard to test, hard to debug, it´s just a pretty nice architecture.

re: Introducing Hristo Deshev

Andy Tearle — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:19:35 GMT

Thanx for "Pro Windows PowerShell" ! - a refreshing approach, very clear and readable and full of useful thoughts for anyone without an Admin or Programmer background. Worth the wait.

Regards

Andy

re: Introducing Hristo Deshev

richelliott99 — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:10:47 GMT

Love you Telerik folks! Keep up the awesome work!

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re: ASP.NET WebForms: A Shortcut or a Roadblock?

Joel — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:31 GMT

I wrote something up on this subject a few months back too :)

re: More WebForms roadblocks and a glimpse of hope

kane — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:59:57 GMT

This is a great blog! You share my sentiments about asp.net. Now after having written many asp.net apps I have gotten into my grove on how to make asp.net work with the web instead of trying to hide it and work against it. Maybe one day I'll find the time to write some things up. To be honest though if it wasn't for c# I would have dropped asp.net a long time ago.

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re: More WebForms roadblocks and a glimpse of hope

hristo.deshev — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:39:58 GMT

Bill, I feel your pain. Web controls are one of the hardest thing to test on earth. Internally, at Telerik, we are using this tool one of our smartest colleague built to help with unit testing. The tool hosts ASP.NET in-process and allows us to simulate postback events, postback data, viewstate saves and loads, etc. It has been of tremendous help when testing tricky stuff like composite controls, templates, etc.

I hope I can post more info on that and, who knows, maybe we can publish it someday.

re: More WebForms roadblocks and a glimpse of hope

Bill — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:02:01 GMT

I was going to post this on the previous blog, but it makes just as much sense here:

Unit testing of your web controls and pages is the biggest roadblock I have faced yet. I write (for the most part) library code (I am starting to write more and more web control code) for coworkers to use in piecing together a couple webapps. All of my code comes with unit tests that ensure everything is done to specifications (except for the new web controls). Then they go about using my class libraries on a page and inevitably make mistakes every once in a while (display the wrong column in a table, list a bunch of grant totals negative instead of positive, ...). Because of this they insist in having a team of testers that test the entire applications before every deployment to ensure no regressions occur since the last version.

I have started looking into projects like selenium, but that appears to need the whole site available. So for your unit tests you would need to test the entire page at a time. It seems extremely difficult to render individual controls in order to test them.

More WebForms roadblocks and a glimpse of hope

The Net: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:04:39 GMT

My previous post has gotten a lot of great feedback . Thanks everybody! I got some more important roadblocks

re: ASP.NET WebForms: A Shortcut or a Roadblock?

Wallym — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:40:27 GMT

Ruffus,

that is an interesting issue that you bring up. I do a lot of US Government work. My experience has been that the ASP.NET Controls work really well in a government environment. I have found that basic ajax operations work and are supported by varius upto date screen readers. Have you looking into using the lightweight HTMLControls in ASP.NET? Are you having trouble with the basic aSP.NET Controls or the the AJAX Control Toolkit. Have you posted these concerns at the forums.asp.net site? I'd like to hear more on this subject.

Wally