Our Community?

re: Our Community?

anonymous ex-MVP — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:38:37 GMT

"bad apples" have been rampant in MVP go/nogo decisions since the release of donet (and the killing of classic VB), at the very least

re: Our Community?

Eric Jeurgens — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:58:11 GMT

Chris forwarded me your website. I’m not going to defend Microsoft but Weber’s actions seem appropriate based on the information on your website and my review of the C# Express License Agreement. No company is going to provide you legal advice because that weakens their footing. I would encourage your lawyer to investigate the implied consent and copyright language in the agreement. You don’t have a chance of winning this case. At least in California. Microsoft owns the software and you have to play by their rules. Just look at the recent press around Windows Vista file system locking and security features for reference. Cheers, Eric

re: Our Community?

Jamie Cansdale — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:34:53 GMT

I have had lawyers look over the Express SKU and VS SDK licenses. They couldn't find anything that would put me in breach. There is nothing in the Express SKU license that explicitly (or even implicitly) dissallows extensions.

When I asked Jason Weber for further information about where they thought I was in breach - he said, "You will need to work with your legal council to answer these

questions". This was rather frustrating because I already had and they had come up blank!

re: Our Community?

Chris Nelson — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:53:44 GMT

I have some new information. I work for a VSIP partner and have been developing Visual Studio plugins for 5 years. I investigated and was also able to hack C# Express by using the host process to site myself and get QueryInterface. On Monday I had our business manager read the C# Express and VSIP agreements. Even though this is possible he doesn’t believe that Microsoft allows us to add plugins through either license. What license are you reading Jamie?

re: Our Community?

Brandon Kelly — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:49:45 GMT

Sounds like you've pissed off the wrong gruntling. Oh well, it's just a silly title anyway, I'm sure you'll continue coding for the public because it's what you do. And by the way, to all the other posters on this feed who say their faith and respect in/for the MVP program is now defunct, get over it. One bad apple shouldn't stop you from ever having a piece of pie.

What happened to TestDriven.NET 1.0?

TestDriven.NET by Jamie Cansdale — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:26:05 GMT

In the comments "A" says: To be honest, I'm with Microsoft on this one. It seems to me that the four

re: Our Community?

Justice~! — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:14:13 GMT

Wow. This completely eradicates any sort of respect I had for the MVP program. Very disappointing to say the least!

re: Really?

Jamie Cansdale — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:29:35 GMT

Jason insisted that I remove Express SKU support because allegedly I was in violation of Microsoft's license agreements and copyrights. He refused to give any indication of where or even which license I was in violation of! I was also barred from joining VSIP until I gave in to their demands. This meant I wouldn't have been able to get a PLK to release some unrelated functionality that I had been working on.

These are serious allegations and consequences. Surely it is reasonable to request some indication of where I was in violation. If I was accidentally in violation then, how could I be sure not to end up in a similar situation in future?

At one point Jason recommended I make an announcement on my website that was in contradiction to everything I had been saying and believed. If I had made this announcement and removed Express SKU support, I suspect my actions would have been deemed acceptable.

Really?

Chris Nelson — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:08:02 GMT

This is puzzling. I’ve been developing Visual Studio plugins through the VSIP SDK for 5 years. Jason Weber is doing great things with the VSIP program and has reinvigorated partner labs. Last year he helped us debug command problems until 2:00 AM one morning. We couldn’t be happier with VSIP and Jason. What actions is he referring to Jamie?

re: Our Community?

Dave Donaldson — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:20:49 GMT

Wow, that's definitely a bullshit email, especially since you just *know* that he's fully aware that you used public APIs to integrate with the Express editions. Sad.