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Phil Winstanley - British .NET chap based in Lancashire. Enjoys tea and tech. Working for Microsoft.

MSDN - What a waste

I've been an MVP for 7? years now, and in that time I've come to love having access to an MSDN Subscription, I'd never want to loose it, it's too useful.

Every year the MSDN program send me a completely new set of DVD's.

According to the UK MVP web site there are over 150 MVP's in the UK alone, each one of them having access to MSDN or TechNet, so let's take an educated guess and say that 50% of the MVP's in the UK subscribe to MSDN, that's 75 MSDN subscriptions.

Because the UK is grouped into the EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) bucket, we only have one choice of MSDN which is "World Wide".

That results in us receiving all the DVDs for the English versions of software as well as every other language in the Western World.

You can now get an "online only" version of MSDN, but I really want the English DVD's they're very handy when you're offline. Granted, I could download an burn my own copy of each but hell, it's a subscription service, why should subscribers have to do the hard work.

Here is a count of a fresh MSDN subscription with the addition of the Visual Studio Team Suite discs which come seperatly. (Don't believe me? Check out the offical list here: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/aa948871.aspx)

MSDN DVD Waste

I want only 25 of those DVDs and the others will go into the bin. Now let's multiply that number by my estimated number of MVP's in the UK subscribing to MSDN (I'll assume no one has changed to Online only subscriptions).

85 Foreign Language DVDs * 75 UK MVP's = 6375 wasted DVDs being sent out for each MSDN renewal to UK MVP's

That number of course doesn't include the 10 or so discs a quarter MSDN send out to update the subscription of which most are Foreign language discs.

Now I've just talked about MVP's here, let's think about the number of UK based people subscribing to MSDN off their own back, obviously I don't have the numbers so let's take a guess at 10,000 UK MSDN subscriptions.

85 Foreign Language DVDs * 10,000 UK MSDN Subscribers =  850,000 wasted DVDs being sent out for each MSDN renewal in the UK.

Now, remember that each country in Europe suffers the same problem, France, Sweeden, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Portugal, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, UK and the Arabic countries.

So let's say 13 countries and say each one has 1000 MSDN Subscribers, that's 13,000 MSDN Subscriptions, that's a hell of a lot of wasted DVDs.

Why am I writing this post? Well I want Microsoft to take notice and change the way they ship MSDN subscriptions, I want you the community to tell Microsoft that they're wasting natural resources, money and our time in sorting out all these bloomin DVDs. I'd emplore you to contact Microsoft and make them aware of your concerns about their way of distributing MSDN.

UK MSDN Contact: 0800 123 536 or MSDNIC@eu.subservices.com

US MSDN: http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=2028438

UPDATE: Response from MSDN (Next day)

"I have looked into your query for you. As you have the Visual Studio team Suite 2005 with MSDN Premium. we can only ship the media with all languages. there is no English only dvd pack for this level. The other option you have is to change to a online only subscription."

Sorry for the rant....

Phil.

Comments

Brendon said:

Has BG or MS ever said they were intending to go green? Pfft! Some example big corporate they are

Save a tree!!! Send an email!!!

# July 16, 2007 9:24 AM

Terry Farrell said:

I still prefer the download option because I only really need English Office Suits and Operating Systems.

Regards: Terry

# July 16, 2007 9:25 AM

Kim(Kman) said:

I just renewed my team suite subscription and was asked if I want English only. Said sure that would be great and am now getting only the English DVD's ... So the option may be there for you.

# July 16, 2007 10:49 AM

British Inside said:

Very true Plip, MSDN is very wasteful . I've thrown hundreds of CD's and DVD's in the trash

# July 16, 2007 10:58 AM

James Shaw said:

Very true Plip, MSDN is very wasteful . I've thrown hundreds of CD's and DVD's in the trash

# July 16, 2007 11:02 AM

Rich Mercer said:

You know, I'm pretty certain you can opt out of the other languages. That said, I've never done it and threw out a couple of hundred disks earlier this year.

# July 16, 2007 11:27 AM

Paul D. Murphy said:

Look on the bright side, you have a never ending supply of media sleeves!

# July 16, 2007 11:37 AM

Wim Hollebrandse said:

Well, now we know what all these extortionate license fees for the various flavours of Vista are being used for!

# July 16, 2007 1:06 PM

todd brooks said:

I'm coming from an American slant, so I may not quite understand the logistics, but let's say that every MSDN Subscriber in the EU was able to select which language(s) on DVDs they were able to receive.  Do you think that would be more efficient than just sending out everything to you?  I can't imagine that having to sort per MSDN Subscriber which DVDs were to be burned and sent would be more efficient.

Then again, I'm not getting 83 discs every quarter, so what do I know?  ;)

# July 16, 2007 2:47 PM

Armand du Plessis said:

Exactly!! This is something that has bugged the hell out of me. Some months I get one or two English disks and a whole bunch others that just goes straight to the trash.

+1 for please let me select my language!

# July 16, 2007 3:54 PM

PeterI said:

For MSDN & Partner subs you can opt out of getting the worldwide DVD packs (I did get the full lot for a while, but I couldn't see the point) Possibly this is just an MVP thing since there are only 150 of you in the UK.

# July 16, 2007 5:31 PM

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# July 16, 2007 6:29 PM

Aaron Seet (icelava) said:

I have worked in a media factory before - the one that packs up every single conceivable type of Microsoft packaging in Singapore.

The sheer amount of work to manage and control what CD/DVD goes into which final package across all the programs and products is absolutely mind-boggling. It is cheaper to just pack every language and hand it to you then to actually track what each individual subscriber opt for and give a customised package.

Is it a waste? Yes it still is. :-)

# July 18, 2007 11:34 AM

Hameed said:

FOR ME MSDN IS VERY HELPFUL ALL THE WAY IN MY PROGRAMMING LIFE. MSISDN IS THE PLACE WHERE YOU GET EACH AND EVERY INFORMATION RELATED TO MICROSOFT TECHNOLOGIES LIKE .NET. HAVE A GREAT MSDN RIGHT NOW.

BYE AND TAKE CARE....

HAMEED HERE.

# July 18, 2007 3:07 PM

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# July 19, 2007 4:02 PM

blackdog said:

i've just wrote them an email. i'm not an email subscriber, i got an msndn edition of some years ago because they gifted that at the university, they were still on cds and it's only in eng... but was gifted in italy.

i want them to be greener, so i wrot. thank you for writing this out

# August 14, 2007 6:58 AM

Plip's Weblog said:

Some months ago I wrote a blog post about the MSDN DVD Mountain I was creating at home and how unnecessarily

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LOL, for a slight period of time I was thinking about big corporations going green. Is that defeating their initial purpose?  Oh, god.

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