ALT.NET Open Spaces, Seattle Day 2 Recap

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podwysocki — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:43:09 GMT

@Andy

Point taken in regards to the innovation in .NET. I definitely agree with Moq and xUnit.net are truly innovating at this point and well ahead of JUnit and jMock and so on. We also have to consider at this point, the language innovation that has been happening in the .NET space has allowed for such things to happen such as lambdas, better generics, better attributes/annotations, etc.

I also agree about MbUnit as well as innovating in terms of Row testing as well. I see some innovations, yet some people like to think that since these framework ideas first started in Java or Ruby, then we've just ported it.

I think in some case that's true, but since that point, we've taken it in a much different angle than the other communities due to our language differences and style differences. Take for example Hibernate versus NHibernate, Spring versus Spring.NET.

Matt

ALT.NET Open Spaces Closing Day Recap

Matthew Podwysocki's Blog — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:20:25 GMT

In my previous post , I talked about some of the happenings from the day two experience. Day three was

re: ALT.NET Open Spaces, Seattle Day 2 Recap

Andy Stopford — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:29:59 GMT

Hi Matt,

I guess I could answer this in better in a blog post of my own, but babies means < time :)

I guess if we ask is the OSS space innovating we need to look around. For all the reasons that have been discussed before the space is small for Microsoft technologies and a great deal smaller than Javas or even Rubies. The folks involved are focused and have a great deal of passion and what they are creating is indeed very innovated. The larger the space however, the more projects that spring up, the larger they get and create more features and concepts. The OSS space for Microsoft technologies is growing every day so I would edge my bets on what the space will create in the coming months ahead.

While it's true that Java and Ruby have there own frameworks for things like unit testing and mocking and the .net space has copied some concepts, a great deal of concepts we have formed of our own.

Row testing came first in MbUnit and roughly around the same time in (Java's) TestNG, however MbUnits related TypeFxiture, Factory and Combinatorial tests are still only found in MbUnit.

Row based testing can now be found in MbUnit, NUnit and TestNG and the related Theory concept in JUnit and XUnit.net (and also to NUnit in the coming months). MbUnit has innovated the space further in it's forth coming v3 release in how it expresses data and expressions in a row test.

XUnit.net and Moq are also all innovating in ways way ahead of the Java counterparts.

Andy