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Xylophone said:

How do you get a blog here ?
# September 14, 2004 4:34 AM

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# September 21, 2004 3:53 AM

Aaron Meis said:

Great presentation!!
# September 24, 2004 3:27 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Check with the Scott Watermasysk, who is the creator of .Text.

http://scottwater.com/blog

- Scott
# September 24, 2004 11:01 AM

Ty said:

you and your packers are schmoes... and weak... long live the TEXANS & FALCONS
# October 6, 2004 2:03 PM

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# October 6, 2004 5:20 PM

Christian Romney said:

# October 6, 2004 5:24 PM

Scooter said:

Ty - I know where you live! ;) Yes, and my Week 3 & Week 4 reviews are coming later tonight...
# October 6, 2004 6:07 PM

Paul Wilson said:

Everything I've heard, including my own tests, suggest that IIS 6 and W2003 are not affected.
# October 6, 2004 8:27 PM

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# October 7, 2004 4:27 AM

Scooter said:

Thanks Christan - I added the link above (marked with (new))
# October 7, 2004 9:16 AM

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# October 7, 2004 6:26 PM

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# October 8, 2004 12:15 AM

Adam Hill said:

MBUnit has been integrated with TestDriven.NET - http://www.testdriven.net/wiki/

Also MutantBuild for building against any .NET Framework version - http://weblogs.asp.net/nunitaddin/archive/2004/10/05/238009.aspx
# October 8, 2004 9:48 AM

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# October 8, 2004 11:05 AM

itchi said:

Come on, Tiki is a good player. I suspect he's going to have a great season. I love the packers too, but dont you think Favre is always placed on such a high pedestal?

Come on, jump on the SeaHawks bandwagon! :)

# October 8, 2004 2:59 PM

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# October 8, 2004 6:52 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Seahawks - absolutely! I think they're a primed for a Super Bowl run (they're my pick). Favre is placed on a pedestal because he's God! LOL Seriously, his career has been unbelievelable - and is a sure vote for the Hall of Fame. Yes, I get tired-head listening to the Favre cliches by announcers ("Any team led by Favre always has a chance...", etc...) And I think his storied career is coming to a close soon (especially if he has another concussion). But with his durability, being the NFL IRON MAN, he's second to none.

Tiki - is an OK player. But he's nothing but a 4th round Fantasy Football pick at best. Based on a 3 year average, he's the 23rd best back (including rushing, receiving yards & TDs).
# October 9, 2004 11:47 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Hey itchi - I have to give Tiki credit. Yesterday's game against the Cowboys was a direct mirror of the Packer game. The Giants are one of this year's biggest suprises, and so is Tiki! It's early, but he's starting to put up some very good numbers this year.

And I thought I knew Fantasy Football!!!!
# October 11, 2004 6:13 AM

Christian Weyer said:

I love it: I have been a Gold member since the early days.
# October 12, 2004 9:40 AM

Jerry said:

Been using it since it first came out, it used to be an invaluable resource. Lately (for the past year or so) new content is very rarely added. He's a great guy dont get me wrong, but the reason for his pricing model is due to the lack of updates, its now a 1 time fee and you are good for life, which at the current rate of updates dosnt mean a whole lot.

Just my 2 cents.
# October 12, 2004 10:53 AM

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# October 20, 2004 1:43 PM

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# October 20, 2004 1:45 PM

Jamie Cansdale said:

Have you tried TestDriven.NET - the latest incarnation of NUnitAddIn? It works with all versions of Visual Studio .NET. This includes Visual Studio 2002, 2003, 2005, C# Express, VB Express, C++ Express and Team System. You can execute and debug NUnit, MbUnit and Team System tests with it.

You can find the QuickStart here...
http://www.testdriven.net/wiki/default.aspx/MyWiki.QuickStart

The latest download is here...
http://www.testdriven.net/wiki/default.aspx/MyWiki.DownLoad

If Microsoft would like to make unit testing aviablable for all versions of Visual Studio 2005, they are welcome to get in touch. ;o)
# November 1, 2004 12:09 PM

Juan Ma said:

You can use CTRL+- to go back to the previous action.

Maybe this help!!!!
# November 5, 2004 11:42 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Yep, F12 is Go To Definition & CTRL+- goes back to the previous action. Juan, send me your First, Last Name & Email (for GMail Signup)
# November 5, 2004 11:53 AM

Erik said:

Thanks! My son will love it. He's been asking when it's coming out (he's 7).
# November 5, 2004 5:48 PM

Darren Neimke said:

Thanks... glad that you enjoy it :-)
# November 6, 2004 11:35 PM

TrackBack said:

Today Fanball.com had a great quote about Brett Favre:Favre suffered a sprained thumb on his throwing hand in the Pack's October 31 win over the Redskins. Seeing as he hasn't missed a game since people were shorter and lived closer to water, we fully expect Favre to be in the lineup with the Pack hosts the Vikings Sunday with first place in the NFC Norris on the line.He has played 197 consecutive games now. This post puts it in perspective:Since Brett Favre launched his [197] starting streak Sept. 27, 1992, people have moved from cassettes to CDs and 1 billion...
# November 10, 2004 12:59 AM

Douglas Reilly said:

Congratulations. I am a very happy independent consultant, but that job opening had me sorely tempted...
# November 16, 2004 8:30 PM

Erik Lane said:

Glad you stopped by HV for a while you'll be missed. As you can already tell I'll keep in touch. I've made contact with you each of the two days you've been gone. :-)
# November 17, 2004 12:23 PM

Don Demsak said:

Scott, I never left the head banging world, so my wife can't call it a mid life crisis, just a life long "issue". I grew up in NJ and went to a high school that had a bunch of kids that use to hang with Metallica while they were recording Kill 'em All (little did I know how big the band was to become otherwise I would have hung with them too, but I was too much of a NWOBHM bigot).
# November 17, 2004 6:29 PM

Kyle Davis said:

Congrats, Scott. I wish you well, even though it's going to be harder for me to realize my architectural dreams without you. I can't wait to see what cool stuff you'll crank out at Telligent.

(Hey, Douglas... don't fear full time employment! :-D)
# November 19, 2004 10:25 AM

Hari Ramachandran said:

Scott: howdy? hope u are having a good time at telligent...

The MS Fingerprint Reader is really cool. Though it doesn't work with domain username/passwords (Disclaimer from MS: The Fingerprint Reader should not be used for protecting sensitive data such as financial information or for accessing corporate networks.), it is a timesaver when you have to visit a lot of sites like gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc with different user name & passwords. All you have to do when you open the site in IE is to press your thumbprint on the reader and you are in...
# December 6, 2004 11:11 AM

Erik Lane said:

Congrats!! Look forward to reading it.
# December 8, 2004 9:23 AM

Kevin Cunningham said:

Congratulations Scott! Printing it off now!
# December 8, 2004 10:15 AM

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# December 10, 2004 3:15 AM

Paco said:

Good job.!

I will go buy the issue :)

# December 10, 2004 12:18 PM

Jason Row said:

Yup it's nice to finally see them sitting down. But to be honest, I've started watching junior hockey and AHL games which have kept me fairly happy.
# December 10, 2004 1:06 PM

Jeff Key said:

I think that, at the end, the only way this will work is if they agree to a salary cap. The league is insisting on it and it really does make sense, considering the financial state of the league now and the foreseeable future. Yes, the management hasn't done the best job, but the salary is out of control.

Hopefully the league will look at changing the game, too. As much as it pains me to say it, I have a harder time watching the game every year. Too much clutching, no room to move, goalie equipment too big, etc., etc. The game just isn't as exciting as it used to be (offensively), and the only way to change that is to change some rules. If you look at the history of the game, almost (if not all) rules currently in place were made to make the game better. It's OK to remove or alter these rules in the same spirit.
# December 10, 2004 1:56 PM

Scott Worley said:

Congtraz on the article, and no authors laughing here, great job keep up the good work in the VSTS community. I enjoyed the article.

Scott Worley
Author: Inside ASP.NET, and afew others...
# December 13, 2004 10:15 AM

Chain Gang said:

Puck Punk has an interesting proposal for the financial woes of the NHL
# December 13, 2004 11:26 AM

Jay Glynn said:

As a season ticket holder to the Nashville Predators I can certainly feel the frustration. I see both sides, but I think in the last NHLPA offer was in good faith. To bad Bettman and the owners can't give back a little on their side. A luxury tax with a little more teeth would be a good first step. Thinking that they will get a salary cap right off the bat is naive thinking.

If there is a good side to this, I coach my son's termite hockey team and my co-coach is Jim McKenzie, winger for the Preds. Not every 6 year old can say that they have an NHL player showing them how to skate backwards....
# December 15, 2004 8:49 AM

Erik Lane said:

Well, I think the owners are trying to avoid what has become of MLB. I'm a baseball fan and it's part of my heritage..I remember watching the game of the week with my Dad and brother just because it was baseball and it was about the game. I played college baseball until I realized it wasn't just about the game - even at that level. Now that I'm trying to pass that on to my own son and it's very hard to do because it's about the money and the players have total control. Try telling your 7 year old son why his favorite player was traded to the dreaded Yankees when he was the best player on the team..he cried off and on for days.

I think the owners should bend a little here and there but I think they've seen the accelerating pay scale and don't want it to continue and the only way is to get something like what the NFL has. If the NHL players think that type of accelerated pay scale is the norm have them do something else for a living. They can complain that they've got nowhere else to play and make that kind of money - but that's their career choice. No one made it for them.
# December 16, 2004 8:52 AM

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# December 23, 2004 3:56 AM

Luis F. said:

Hi, I have hosting also on webhost4life, and I have DotNetNuke, I think DNN uses System.Web.Mail (I can't say for sure I will check later) and I can send mail, but you have to use mail.webhost4life.com as Smtp Server
# December 23, 2004 10:55 AM

Matt Hawley said:

Same here, so I switched over to FreeSMTP (http://www.quiksoft.com/freesmtp/) and it works great. Plus, its all Managed Code, no COM calls!
# December 23, 2004 10:57 AM

Jeff Perrin said:

Try using mail.webhost4life.com as your outgoing mail server, with System.Web.Mail. I haven't had any problems, although I seem to remember it took me a little digging to find that server. It's set up specifically for SMTP for their clients.
# December 23, 2004 11:21 AM

Denny said:

do you need to use the server there? are you sending the email to a mail server there or to someone else?

for example if you were using a windows 2000 or 2003 server @ wh4life to send an email to me @my mailserver then it should work as you are making a tcp connection to my host on port 25.

thats what system.web.mail does in the end... thats what all mail programs do to deliver a message.


check with: http://www.systemwebmail.net/
for tips onn how to add some testing and debugging code to your app.
you want to make sure it's configured right and un-wraps any com exception codes.
# December 23, 2004 11:30 AM

Anthony Alvarado said:

You need to use mail.webhost4life.com as SMTP server.
Or contact the wh3l support at http://www.my-online-help.com
# December 23, 2004 12:04 PM

Paul Wilson said:

The only problem I've had with email was trying to get email from their server back to me for automated notifications. Getting it to other people has always worked, but for some reason they have problems at time getting emails to work that are purely internal among their own servers. I've had one or two friends that had problems getting email to me, or maybe me to them, that were also on W4L -- again something internal only. They've usually been able to fix these things, but only if I'm persistent in reminding them that this is their own internal issue again and that all external email comes and goes correctly.
# December 23, 2004 3:34 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Thanks to everyone who offered their help - I really appreciate it! Changing the mail server corrected the problem! Thanks!
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# January 4, 2005 1:00 PM

Javier Luna said:

I like Master Pages in Vs.NET 2005 !!!
# January 8, 2005 11:13 PM

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# January 11, 2005 2:38 PM

Jeremy said:

If they won't add support themselves hopefully they'll give others the "ability" through open source add-ons or something. VS 2005 is by far the best VS to date but there's still a lot of holes that leave me wanting more. At least you won't have to extend too much out of the box to get a system that today's developers actually use.

I just think it's kind of sad that some of these things are just left out, as if they don't matter. I'm teaching myself unit testing, scm, and a bunch of other crap that just isn't anywhere it should be. Having 50 different open source apps aren't the solution but at least it's a start. I know MS has to promote it's hugely overpriced Team System product but not giving us little guys the toys that the big boys get is a little annoying. I know I can't ask for everything but money can't drive every single decision they make, or can it? I'm with ya on this one but I don't think it'll happen. Maybe in 2007 when it's REALLY important? As if it's not important now.
# January 12, 2005 6:00 PM

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# January 13, 2005 1:31 PM

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Today I found out that Visual Studio 2005 (Whidbey) is going to include a fully-fledged unit testing framework....
# January 18, 2005 5:55 AM

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Interesting finds this morning
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# January 25, 2005 7:27 PM

Scott Bellware said:

Good points!

My contention, then, is the definition of a second approach to TDD. While Approach #2 has some elements of TDD, it would be more appropriate to say that it’s “TDD-like” or “TDD-ish”, or that it “borrows from TDD”. To say it’s not “classic” TDD reciprocally manifests a “new” TDD out of thin air that is differentiated from the original. This is where I sense the danger in introducing ambiguity. To wit, I can’t see any advantages to Approach #2 that I can’t get out of Approach #1, furthermore, I see risks in Approach #2 that I don’t see in Approach #1. Additionally, Approach #2 looks like the transitional attempts at TDD that happen along the way to TDD from architecture-centric development.

I’m also a Domain-Driven Design fan and a former UML addict. Nonetheless, the presence of diagrams and docs doesn’t preclude the TDD process. As low-level design, TDD validates the higher-level design. I don’t see much of an advantage for either implementing, generating, or otherwise transforming skeletons from high-level design artifacts that have yet to be validated by low level design (programming). The en-masse model transformation step is what YAGNI talks to in the context of architecture-centric development.

Because you can easily go to code through a transformation tool (or other means) doesn’t mean you have to. Otherwise, you’re just dumping high-level design artifacts into a low-level design contexts verbatim without consideration for the dissonance between these model levels. It’s this dissonance that TDD seeks to resolve. BDUF and code generation from BDUF artifacts just perpetuates the problem. You have to recognize and heed the implications and risks in model dissonance in models at levels of abstraction before any of this will take hold. Doing thorough design up front is wasted time if you recognize model dissonance.

There's a fine line where an amount of design becomes too much design and it has to do with whether any more detail you add to your high-level model will actually survive the transformation to working code. Any effort expended after crossing this line is almost assuredly wasted time and money. The API you started with at the high-level design isn’t likely going to be the design you end up once the low-level work is done, so why design details that aren’t likely to survive?

The other significant risk in starting the TDD coding process with low level design artifacts (test fixture) that was transformed verbatim from a high-level design artifact is the cognitive lock-in that developers will undergo when they see and begin to work with an API in code. They will attach to it, identity with it and start to design the rest of the code to fit into it rather than use the low-level design techniques inherent in TDD.

That's not to say that you can’t arrive at a pretty rigorous definition and understanding of an API before hand, it's just that it's a pretty rare need considering the sweet spot of team size where TDD and XP are the right fit. In a situation where there are multiple teams of 10 people working on the same large project, then someone is going to have to architect the high-level API. To make TDD really sing in this case, you'd probably wanna make the API spec into a separate layer so that your coders can be free to refine the underlying implementation with TDD. The implementation of that unifying API layer might even be done by an architect not using TDD (likely), while the teams building the internals would be free to engage in TDD.

I don’t think you can introduce an Approach #2 into the TDD sphere. There are too many things that are antithetical to TDD's tenets. I think the approaches that you outline are likely to be amenable to the Softies who are going to try TDD for the first time with the advent of VSTS, but it shouldn’t be called TDD just as MSF shouldn’t be called RUP. The processes have elements that are fundamentally contradictory. And again, Approach #2 looks like the stuff that happens on the way to the TDD a-ha moments. Test-Driven Development isn’t a loose definition of a practice like process frameworks like RUP and MSF. TDD is a specific instance of a programming process. I don’t believe that it leave as much open to interpretation as Approach #2 seems to take license with. Approach #2 is Approach #2. I think it should have a life of it's own rather than indulge in borrowing TDD's identity.

I’m not coming at this from a semantic puritanism. We seem to be treading dangerously close to muddying the waters in the .NET space around the ability to have a shared understanding of this TDD thing. Introducing new definitions for something during a time when the common understanding of it has barely taken root in .NET developer culture seems a bit irresponsible to me. How can I teach developers the finer points of TDD if they already believe that they're doing it? It's spanks of a marketing tactic that Microsoft is very skilled with - linguistic assimilation.

I don’t think there's anything inherent in Whidbey that causes a greater amenability to Approach #2. I haven’t had an install of Whidbey since PDC '03, but we got a pre-public preview of the unit testing tools in VS 2005 at the MVP Summit in April '04. At that time, there was support in the C# IDE for generating a target method from an invocation in a test fixture in support of TDD. I think I heard that this capability is now a part of the C# refactoring tools.

There is a huge problem in the Microsoft world where developers choose their convenience over common sense practices. Visual Studio allows developers to drag data components on to UI's and so they do it. It's a bad idea, but they do it. VS 2005 will allow developers to build an API and generate test skeletons for it. Good tool support, but a lack-luster approach considering what TDD brings to code design.

VS 2005 is an architecture-centric tool suite. It's got a bit of support for TDD, but it's architecture-centric at its core. TDD isn't an architecture-centric process. Microsoft has architecture-centric leanings when it comes to cutting code. Architecture-centric thinking is great for doing architecture - I'm not so sure it applies to doing code.

To bend TDD to fit VS 2005 Team Test/Developer changes TDD so that it's no longer a design discipline, much in the same way that VS .NET's RAD bends web apps so that they're no longer n-tier and component based. The only way to get n-tier out of VS .NET is to not rely on the tool for little more than laying out UI's. The only way to get TDD out of VS 2005 is to not rely on the tool for little more than the test attribution and execution framework.

Would you use Approach #2 if VS 2005 didn’t give you the capability? Is this capability more valuable than the micro-iterative rigor of TDD? Is the convenience of embedding data access into web forms more important that n-tier and components?

When code-generating tools start dictating practice, we end up abandoning professionalism in favor of convenience. Why don’t more .NET developers engage in n-tier? Because there's no n-tier widget in the VS .NET toolbox.

Ok. All that vehemence aside, I certainly appreciate the opportunity that this exchange is providing to put these ideas down in black and white. Some of what I'm doing here isn’t necessarily directed at your article or response. I got started brain dumping and figured I'd better keep going lest I loose the momentum. I should say also that I love a good debate and I'm apt to get quite engaged in something like this.

Please say hi to Chris M when you see him. And let him know that he better not promulgate any of this test-gen-is-TDD stuff when he speaks on VSTS at ADNUG this summer :)

-s
# January 26, 2005 12:06 AM

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# January 26, 2005 3:47 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

In Scott’s “reply to my reply”,
http://www.geekswithblogs.com/sbellware/archive/2005/01/25/21026.aspx

I felt compelled to address this statement:
<< I think Scott (the Dockendorf one ;) should talk to some bigshots like James Newkirk at MS :) and pull the article.>>

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LOL, I'm not pulling the article! If Ron Jeffries read it and appreciated the content (other then me with dyslexic typing on the year TDD was created) then I'm happy.
http://www.sys-con.com/story/feedback.cfm?storyid=47343

Seriously, it was meant to feature Unit Testing with Whidbey, not TDD.

My experience has been that not all IT shops adopt Extreme Programming, or base TDD. Especially shops that outsource work to consultants, many don’t want to pay for coding before design, pair programming, delayed documentation, etc… Many still follow-traditional waterfall project management methodologies. Because of that, many shops still require the team to COMPLETE requirements & design before you begin coding. In most cases, traditional TDD does NOT work in that environment. Approach #2 is a form of TDD that works in those shops. I didn’t just make up Approach #2, it has been used by others.

As I alluded to before, as a successful consultant, you have to remain flexible to your environment. You must adapt to the environment, not change it to fit your needs. Consultants can’t walk into a waterfall shop and demand XP/TDD or nothing else. You can try, but you probably won’t win the gig.

Why not use a more flexible approach that still provides structured, automated unit tests that benefit the entire team? Consulting is all about providing service to meet your client’s needs. That might include mentoring, recommended better practices, and that’s fine. Some clients happily adopt XP! Great, for those clients I HIGHLY recommend practicing TDD’s Test-First implementation. But for others that don’t, Approach #2 is a good choice.

Without NUnit, csUnit, mbUnit, etc… Think about how unit testing is handled in most shops… Unit Test code comes in the form of console applications that MIGHT have code documentation, but have a few Console.WriteLines. Or, you might be handed a WinForm application with x number of unlabeled textboxes and 3 unlabeled buttons (where button1 is Add, button2 is Save, button3 is delete) with hardcoded test data. It worked for the originating developer, but a lot harder and takes more time to give to someone else. If you were in that shop, and had to pick up where someone left off, wouldn’t you be SCOURING VSS to find your xUnit Test Fixtures? (And yes, I do understand that creating NUnit Test Fixtures doesn’t mean that you’re following TDD).

If you’re not in consulting OR currently in a shop that adopts/accepts XP – then design-first TDD is the way to go. If not, then I would consider Approach #2, only if your client requires full design & documentation BEFORE development begins.

I’m all for Agile Development, as long as your client adopts/accepts/approves it. But in the real world, that isn’t always the case.

Maybe ScottB is right - maybe it should be called “TDD-like”.
# January 26, 2005 10:34 AM

AndrewSeven said:

I didn't read the whole article, I got the the 5 point of what TDD was and since they were in total conflict with my undestanding of TDD, I stopped reading.

TDD is a particular use of unit testing frameworks.

Because it misrepresents one thing, it might do a dis-service to the thing it is meant to encourage/promote: Future unit testing features.

"Seriously, it was meant to feature Unit Testing with Whidbey, not TDD."
Maybe you should consider a rewrite that better reflects that intent.

# January 26, 2005 11:36 AM

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Erik Lane said:

Dave Burke is a great source as well. Adding CAPTCHA and "Notify Me on Replies" as well as some other cool customizations.

http://dbvt.com/blog/category/6.aspx
# January 26, 2005 12:35 PM

Tim Rayburn said:

I really think that concise bullet pointed documents are more useful than long tomes on the ins and outs of design because a design journal should be like my Simon and Schuster Handbook for Writers which I keep near my desk. The goal is a desk reference to give guidance when you have a question.

All that said, you still rely on FxCop because guidelines are like laws, without enforcement you can't reasonably expect for them to be followed. Manual code-reviews are OK for checking on such things, but time consuming and only guarantee that the code you checked is correct (or will be corrected).

I've cobbled together a design reference that all my developers use which is garnered from most of the above sources (Lance's site is new to me) with a specific focus on the Design Guidelines for Class Library Developers.
# January 26, 2005 3:54 PM

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karl said:

Microsoft's design guidelines are what we use...but only because of FxCop and the FxCop documentation/website, not because of how the guidelines are written...I wish that blasted guideline document was available for download in PDF format and provided better reference information (like bullet points)

# January 26, 2005 5:52 PM

AndrewSeven said:

A small summary of the common points.
Detailed description of the rules and reasons.
An automated tool (FxCop) to verify conformance so that people don't have to study the entire rule set in order to write conformant code
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Jeffrey Palermo said:

Thanks for the link. Are you from the Dallas area? I'm one of the directors at the Austin .Net user group. All the Texas user groups are getting together to put on a software competition this summer. Are you involved with that?
# February 2, 2005 8:57 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Yes, I attended the conference call on Monday. The Texas .Net Olympics is going to be a great event. I'm one of the directors of the Dallas .NET User Group (Director of Speakers) which is how I became involved with the olympics.
# February 2, 2005 10:22 AM

Brad Wilson said:

Thanks for the link! But I'm 98.6% positive that my name isn't Paul. :)
# February 2, 2005 12:21 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Sorry about that Brad! I've corrected the post. I know a Paul Wilson, which caused my mental screw up! Thanks for letting me know.
# February 2, 2005 1:19 PM

Paco Martinez said:

Scott, great entry. We never give credit to our significant others. Good job man. I hope that both the wife and Kevin get well soon!.
# February 2, 2005 4:08 PM

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# February 3, 2005 6:07 AM

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# February 6, 2005 3:39 AM

Majid Ravaghi said:

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# February 6, 2005 3:42 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Ian - I sent the invite. Majid - can you send me the email address that you would like to receive the invite from? You can send it via my "Contact" link (on the left hand nav) if you want.

Cheers,
- Scott
# February 6, 2005 3:58 AM

dokken said:

I need one of them too. Thank you arnedokken@yahoo.no
# February 6, 2005 5:21 AM

Majid Ravaghi said:

Please give me your code of .text programm thank you for your kindness
bye
# February 6, 2005 5:31 AM

Chris said:


I have heaps. If you want one then send me an email if you can figure it out from my url.
# February 6, 2005 6:22 AM

John said:

I'll take one - jskile at hotmail dot com

Thanks!
# February 6, 2005 7:26 AM

George Baev said:

I need one. Thanks in advance

geo_baev@yahoo.com
# February 6, 2005 8:36 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

My good friend & fellow .net'ian Robert - Invite was sent...
geo_baev - Invite was sent...
jskile - Invite was sent...
arnedokken at yahoo.no - Invite was sent...
majidra - Invite was sent!

INVITES ARE GONE AS OF TODAY. If I get more, I'll send another post.

Majid - This site is running .Text, not sure of what version. Check out the next evolution of .Text in www.communityserver.org. CommunityServer is the combination of Galleries, Blogs, & Forums into a single package. Many features have been added to .Text in this release.
# February 6, 2005 11:15 AM

Kristian Rickard said:

Scott, you said it ... we are the ones with the easy jobs ... full-time mothers (or fathers) have the most challenging jobs! Hope your family is doing well. =)
# February 7, 2005 1:43 AM

TrackBack said:

# February 7, 2005 11:24 AM

Erik Lane said:

I've got 50 available.
# February 8, 2005 3:56 PM

rosario said:

I agree with Karl. I wish that guideline document were available for download in any format. I am looking for a comprehensive naming conventions and coding standards document.
# February 10, 2005 10:13 AM

Matt Berther said:

Scott,

Ive been developing this way for the past year, and I can honestly say there is *no* way I would ever go back.

The best purchase for me was RAM and a fast external hard drive. I have a Dell D800 with 2gb of RAM and a Seagate 160gb 7200/8mb USB2 drive.

Because of the fast hard drive over USB2, the VPC images sometimes seem to run better than the regular OS. ;)

The best part is that if I really screw up a partition, it takes virtually no time to come back online, because I have all of my base VMs saved off and sysprepped (http://www.mattberther.com/2005/01/000594.html). I can have a new VM online in under 5 minutes.

# February 14, 2005 12:52 PM

Rob Cannon said:

I have a Dell with a 7200rpm drive and 1GB of RAM. I have been working this way for several month and I am fairly happy with the process. As a consultant who works on several projects, being able to have different configurations for servers works very well. They only problem is when you have to update a tool across several images.

And my hard drive (60BG) doesn't have enough room to easily manage more than three or 4 images at a time.

Oh, and VPC doesn't deal with the large ISO files that are coming for VS2005.

And VPC doesn't take advantage of my wide laptop display.

There's probably a few more warts, but overall it's worth it. ;)
# February 14, 2005 1:25 PM

Hugapug said:

It's interesting to see people doing this. I would like to try this out but I have some questions first. In terms of performance, which one is best for having a VM with a development IDE + SQL 2000 + IIS, VPC2004 or Virtual Server 2005? Also, I am doing some development with MS Speech Server and I need my USB headset to test out the programs. Can USB devices transparently connect with the virtual machines too? Thanks.
# February 14, 2005 1:46 PM

Drazen Dotlic said:

I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with 7200rpm hard drive and 1GB of RAM (processor speed does not seem to matter). I get quite acceptable performance with VMWare, but not at all with VPC (the same happened on similarly equipped desktop machine). Mainly because of memory, you cannot run more than 2 VM at the same time - running a server and client OS along with your host OS is barely doable.
It is GREAT for moving targets like Whidbey CTP (or any other CTP for that matter) - I have prebuilt images that I simply unzip and I'm ready to go.
# February 14, 2005 3:02 PM

Paul D. Murphy said:

Invest in VMWare. Virtual PC might be free if you have MSDN, but it's has a VMWare 2.0 featureset, constantly thrashes the disk and managed memory very poorly. For example I have a machine with 2Gb of Ram in it. I created 3 Virtual PC images with 512 Mb of ram on each one. Virtual PC wouldn't even let me run it. VMWare didn't care and they all ran just fine.

Sorry I like Microsoft alot, but it's pretty clear they bought Virtual PC to build a server product out of the technology, not to support a desktop client.
# February 14, 2005 7:17 PM

Kevin Cunningham said:

What's up Scott!

Personally I run the IDE that I do most of my work in directly on my laptop's OS. The overhead of the VPC for everyday dev (i.e. 9+ hours/day) is just way too much (to me) for a laptop (IMO) to warrant moving it off to a separate image. Way to sluggish - maybe I am just too impatient :) . I am running a Dell 8500 with 1GB RAM and also have the TravelStar 7K60. I also 2nd Rob's comment about VPC not running full screen on a widescreen laptop - grrrr.

If I have to I will run all other environments within an VPC image from an external HD - like Matt. On a side note, speed wise USB 2.0 and/or Firewire 400 can't beat direct reading/writing from your internal drive no matter how fast your external drive is. ATA/100 is 100MBps while USB 2.0 tops out at ~60MBps (480 Mbps), so IOW the communication port will max out before the drive transfer rate will. If you are bored or curious dload HDTach (http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach) and check out the difference in perf reading/writing to your internal/external drive. It's close but not as fast - enough to deal with though. Also, Firewire read/write burst are faster than USB 2.0 and tests have shown it is more efficient -and ultimately a better solution - than usb 2.0 for lots of read/writes - mainly due to the spec allowing direct memory access (i.e. bypassing operating system limitations) and not to mention it is less CPU intensive.

I like running from my external because I don’t like keeping 10+ 4-10GB images on my main HD. Running an image locally chews up too much room, thrashes the internal drive, heats up my laptop enough to cook and egg and is just a bad experience. One thing I am not certain of is how much less/more overhead pushing the images off to an external hard drive creates for the OS. Minimally I would think it would reduce contention for the main internal drive but at the same time it creates tons of overhead coordinating the communication from the ports (check out your CPU util when copying a file - yikes) Maybe someone can enlighten us.

To me, the overall the benefits of pushing off the images for some work - like geeking with throw away build of VS.NET 2K3 - to an external disk far out outweigh keeping them locally. But for everyday stuff I just can't deal with it. Plus it’s an excuse to rebuild once every VS.NET release.
# February 14, 2005 10:51 PM

TrackBack said:

# February 15, 2005 11:40 PM

David Gottlieb said:

Scott,

Yes, I use VPC for all of my development. We used to use VMWare but had later decided that VPC was better and it was free since we had our MSDN subscriptions. This has saved us LOTS of cash on development machines as well as test boxes. For running my whidbey builds, I use VPC as well. I keep a back up of the virtual hard drive and if something pukes, I just restore. Simple as that. I've been doing this for almost 3 years now.
# February 17, 2005 10:08 AM

nicole said:

I hope to return to TechEd this year, as I learned a bunch last year. However, I haven't been able to find an agenda to know if they are targeting my interests:
MCMS, Windows SharePoint Services, MOM, etc.
Thanks for letting us know of at least one I'll be interested in!
# February 17, 2005 1:35 PM

TrackBack said:

# February 19, 2005 5:46 AM

Rajesh valluri said:

Hi, Thanks for the info abt CS setup.
I am a big fan of CS but I couldn't use it as my portal is based on dotnetnuke and there is no proper way to install CS forums and blogs on dotnetnuke. It was a painful moment when I decided to go with yetanotherforumdotnet for my forums module.
However, I dont feel so bad, now that I saw you are using dottext for your blog.

keep up the good work
# February 21, 2005 4:19 PM

TrackBack said:

Found via Mihir Solanki and Scott Dockendorf,
Scott Hanselman has a great list of interview questions...
# February 23, 2005 1:55 PM

FaeLLe said:

Got over 100 of them in my Gmail account.

Anyone who wants one can request it through the comments section on the Gmail post on my website www.FaeLLe.com

- FaeLLe
# February 27, 2005 11:28 PM

TrackBack said:

Scooter (Scott Dockendorf) just posted a cool color picker he found via Andy Britcliffe&rsquo;s blog.&nbsp;...
# March 3, 2005 1:11 PM

TrackBack said:

Well Scott beet me to it ;)&nbsp; You can read all about the outstanding Mono presentation given by Francisco...
# March 3, 2005 1:57 PM

Jim Martin said:

Scott, this is such awesome news! Welcome to the group, I'm excited about the opertununity to work with you, your addition makes us that much stronger!
# March 3, 2005 2:16 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 7, 2005 10:45 AM

Joel Ross said:

Hey Scott,

Thanks for the mention. Have you tried it out? We've started the next version, and are definitely looking for feedback on what works well, and what doesn't. We know it's touchy, and are going to fix that, but we have a bunch of other changes in mind too.
# March 7, 2005 12:34 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 8, 2005 1:45 AM

TrackBack said:

# March 8, 2005 8:41 AM

Jim Martin said:

Read that article not to long ago, and that was part of the reason I ordered 2 gig of Mem for my new laptop. I did a double take when I read "On a host machine with 2 GB of memory available, 500 MB will be allocated for the host OS. It is possible to allocate less memory for the guest virtual machines, but doing so can lead to unpredictable results." Yikes!
# March 10, 2005 3:31 PM

Dave Bost said:

You're welcome, Scott. Good luck with the install. Let me know if you have any issues and/or questions. I'll do my best to answer them.

Jim -

The memory requirement is a hard pill to swallow but this is only required when you're trying to get both virtual machines running on the same box. Also realize this a CTP release (ie. no attention paid to performance requirements). If you have the available resources, such as two machines, you could certainly have one VM running on one machine and the second VM running on the other. As long as the two VM's are the same network, you're good to go. In my case, I have a VM running the client on my laptop (so I can take VS with me) and the App tier VM and Data tier VM running on a Dev server in my home office. Unfortunately my laptop is maxed out at 1GB (time for a new laptop). Beta2 promises to allow for all three tiers to execute on one machine (or one VM if you're in the virtual world), and I'm looking forward to it's release date.
# March 10, 2005 5:30 PM

Jim Martin said:

Awesome, Thanks for the feedback Dave! I too am looking forward to Beta2, and to be honest I just needed one reason to add 2 GB of mem to my new laptop, so I picked your article :)
# March 10, 2005 7:23 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 15, 2005 2:07 PM

James said:

One already exists. It is at: http://www.eaforum.org
# March 16, 2005 7:03 PM

TrackBack said:

I'm real interested in running VPC for all my dev needs.&nbsp; The following
are a few links I found:...
# March 16, 2005 11:14 PM

TrackBack said:

# March 24, 2005 1:18 AM

TrackBack said:

^_^,Pretty Good!
# April 10, 2005 7:37 AM

TrackBack said:

^_^,Pretty Good!
# April 10, 2005 7:37 AM

TrackBack said:

^_^,Pretty Good!
# April 10, 2005 7:37 AM

TrackBack said:

^_^,Pretty Good!
# April 10, 2005 7:38 AM

Douglas Reilly said:

I save everything, and then use a good search program (Lookout and/or Copernic) and then use my search skills when I need things. The exception are mail lists, that I redirect to a folder. I just flag for followup...
# April 13, 2005 1:45 PM

Mike McGlumphy said:

I have one GIANT inbox that I search through. I gave up on organizing and categorizing a long time ago. It wasn't worth the time, because in the end I still ended up searching through the subfolders.
# April 13, 2005 2:01 PM

Beevis said:

Read this article on Microsoft.com
http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/manageinfo/email.mspx

I just started reading this book...so far it looks promising.
# April 13, 2005 2:12 PM

Will said:

Rules Rules Rules.
I have 40 or so rules that move mail into heirarchical folders. If I get an email and anticipare getting mail from that person again or if the subject if regular then I'll create or modify a rule. Works great. My Outlook mailbox is currently 250 or so megs with only 20 or so messages in my inbox. If you only move the mail to another folder, the rule executes on the server.
I also set Outlook to auto-archive after 9 months. The nice thing about auto-archive is is keeps the folder structure as it archives.
I also use (and love) Copernic Desktop search.
# April 13, 2005 3:34 PM

Ian Smith said:

Get yourself to a bookshop and buy a copy of "Take back your Life! (Using Microsoft Outlook to get organized and stay organized" by Sally McGhee and published by Microsoft Press ISBN 0-7356-2040-7

She'll have you managing your inbox, your tasklist and your life quickly and efficiently
# April 13, 2005 4:23 PM

Wes Haggard said:

I'm like you where I have a big folder structure that I store my mail in. I have a set of rules for particular mails (like mailing list etc) that move them directly into particular folders. Then what ever mail is left in my inbox I use as a todo list (sort of). Once I respond to a particular email I will file it away into its appropriate folder or I will delete it. My goal is to keep my inbox as empty as possible and I usually keep it fairly empty because I keep the number of message in the inbox down by rule filters and by responding to email asap.
# April 13, 2005 4:33 PM

jayson knight said:

+1 for rules, plus in Outlook 2003, search folders are an incredible way to filter messages into specific categories. I've gotten to the point w/ my folder structure that I can scan it quickly just by scrolling through it and can see what folders have new messages. I also keep most of the folders in threaded view to keep track of conversations.

If an email lands in my inbox, it's either really important (new client contact, etc), or it doesn't matter at all (spam filter didn't catch it). I use Lookout occasionally, usually just to search for stuff in the news emails I get.
# April 13, 2005 6:34 PM

Hakan said:

My Outlook 2003 mail folders setup consists of multiple subfolders in an appropriate hierarchy, such as:

Inbox
+Archive
+Important
Groups
Mailing List A
Mailing List B
Projects
Project A
Project B

Incoming emails are automatically moved to one of these subfolders by using rules.

If you are like me, meaning you get irritated by that bold "unread" message count thingy besides the folder name - just keep your unanswered emails in "unread" state by right clicking and selecting "mark as unread".

Only for messages in Inbox:

For any emails that you are done "processing", move them into a subfolder called "+Archive". Processing an email message might be either one of the following:

- Reading it and replying it
- Reading it and deciding it doesn't require a reply, but worth keeping
- Reading it and deciding it is not worth keeping - in this case just hit the Del key

You can also move any important messages to the "+Important" folder.

The reason that I have a plus sign in front of Archive and Important folders is to make sure they are listed near the top.



# April 13, 2005 7:12 PM

Steve said:

That MS Press stuff from Sally McGhee sounds an awful lot like some of the principles that David Allen (http://www.davidco.com) preaches.

Scoble (http://scoble.weblogs.com/) is a big David Allen fan.

I'm currently reading "Getting Things Done" and it's very interesting.
# April 14, 2005 9:59 AM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Great stuff guys! Thanks for all the tips - I'm going to owe A LOT of people beer - guess I should invest in a keg! :) Keep 'em coming!
# April 14, 2005 12:55 PM

Erik Lane said:

I guess I'm less scientific...Inbox is for items I'm working on, need to reply to, or will be working on. I move them out of my inbox, to an appropriate folder, when I'm done with them. I use the flags for follow up to remind me I need to take action on a message and rules to move messages to other folders that I already know about (subject) or from specific people.

I'm probably alone here but I use my deleted items as my "storage" for items that don't belong anywhere else but not so bad that I delete them forever. I figure if it needs to be kept for reference or something I can always get it out of archive..which is run every 6 weeks.
# April 14, 2005 11:18 PM

TrackBack said:

# April 24, 2005 11:45 PM

Wallym said:

Thanks for the heads up. :-)
# May 4, 2005 1:05 PM

Travis said:

However from the page: "If you use this component in your ASP.NET 1.1 application, there will be significant work required to upgrade that application to use the ASP.NET 2.0 Membership and Roles feature."

I wonder if ("complete rewrite" == "significant work")
# May 4, 2005 2:47 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

I thought the same thing. My initial thought is NOT, because you shouldn't have to start from scratch - it is based on ASP.NET 2.0's P&M Code. Maybe a CYA statement since this is not formally supported, and didn't want any customer liability from people that used it.
# May 4, 2005 5:55 PM

Paschal said:

Any idea what's new there ?
# May 4, 2005 7:25 PM

Stefán Jökull said:

Well i'll be damned. Seems like they are moving towards tableless design. If they manage to upgrade it to .NET 2.0 and give it a tableless design + XHTML 1.1 valid + fully styleable... i'd be one happy camper.
# May 4, 2005 9:51 PM

TrackBack said:

Link Dump
# May 5, 2005 2:50 AM

Dave Bost said:

You're Welcome! :)

Don't you love running into these little "gotchas" with Beta software???
# May 11, 2005 2:42 PM

TrackBack said:

Visual Studio Team System

The big news around Team System at the moment is the announcement on Rick...
# May 16, 2005 9:08 PM

TrackBack said:

# May 20, 2005 11:56 PM

Tobin said:

Congratulations. Good luck!
# May 23, 2005 11:04 AM

Scott said:

Here's to hoping the baby doesn't need any service packs! Good luck and congratulations.
# May 23, 2005 2:34 PM

Erik Lane said:

Congrats man!
# May 23, 2005 2:43 PM

Paco said:

Fantastic! We wish you and your family many blessings.
# May 23, 2005 2:56 PM

Javier Luna said:

I believe that any DataLayer must be a simple code block, that they allow operations against DB.

That code block would not have to know on the Business Entities. Single to specialize it is to execute the operations (Store Procedures and SQL Sentences) against the engine DB (SQL, Oracle, DB2, etc.), with which this setting.

Finally, I invite to you to download the DataLayer.Primitives Public Version.

This is very cool Data Layer :)

DataLayer.Primitives - Readme!
http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1389

Cheers,

Javier Luna
http://guydotnetxmlwebservices.blogspot.com/
# May 25, 2005 11:03 PM

Rob Chartier said:


Congrats!
# July 8, 2005 3:55 PM

Rich Dudley said:

Smart money's on the little one to win that staring contest. ;)

Congrats!
# July 8, 2005 4:10 PM

Scott Allen said:

Congrats!
# July 8, 2005 9:18 PM

Robert Hurlbut said:

Congratulations!
# July 9, 2005 6:48 AM

Erik Lane said:

Great news Scott. Congrats!
# July 10, 2005 12:56 AM

Erik Lane said:

Cute kids, thanks for sharing the news!
# July 10, 2005 12:57 AM

Raymond Lewallen said:

Congrats Scott!
# July 10, 2005 9:13 PM

Paco said:

Awesome! Kudos to Microsoft for recognizing the hard work and passion you bring to their products.

Congratulations Scott.
# July 13, 2005 11:54 AM

Joakim said:

Finally! Someone is blogging about hockey and not only about software development. I will feed you from now on!

Hockey fan (Avs) and Software developer (.Net/C#).
# July 13, 2005 1:44 PM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

So you can blog about hockey but not answer mail?

Now if we can just get the wookie back from the Dead Things...

Also, note how nice I am being not making comments about the Avs...

Finally, have you heard concerns about Modano? Is his contract up this season or next?
# July 13, 2005 5:08 PM

Joakim said:

Modanos contract is up.
Do you think Stars will by out Guerin and Turgeon?
# July 13, 2005 5:55 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

LOL - I will email you :) Thanks for keeping me on my toes!

If you are a stars fan, check out this blog:
http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/blog.htm

There is a post about players that will/won't be back. A client of ours mentioned that there will be SOO MANY contracts buyouts due to this new agreement, such that there will be a FLOOD of new free agents!

I believe Modano's contract is up, and he is an unrestricted free agent. However, the days of killer contracts are gone (see E.J. Redek's breakdown). This is truly a win for the owners and loss for the players.
# July 13, 2005 5:59 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

<<
Modanos contract is up.
Do you think Stars will by out Guerin and Turgeon?
>>
I'm sure (HOPEFULLY) that Turgeon is gone, and Guerin wasn't listed as a priority (according to the andrewstarspage.com blog) according to Jim Lites.

Anyway we can have Sakic?

Also, I sitll can't figure out why the Avs let Drury get away....
# July 13, 2005 6:01 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

At least one team "gets it!"

http://www.dallasstars.com/news/stars-cba-update.jsp

Check out the bolded part, about lowering ticket prices!
# July 13, 2005 6:30 PM

Rich Mercer said:

Scott, you have brought sunshine to my day with this good news. It's been too long without hockey!!

Rich, an avid hockey fan in the UK!!!
# July 14, 2005 4:46 AM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

From what I have heard Modo's contract will be a top priority for this organization.

I also did hear about ticket prices lowering...Now if they would just institute a test so only real Hockey fans can buy lower bowl tickets...

Anybody else notice how quickly after Scott became MVP the hockey situation got resolved? Things that make you go Hmmm....
# July 14, 2005 10:09 AM

Paul said:

Thanks for the link - I didn't know about that before and looks promising :)
# July 17, 2005 11:54 PM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

Cool, I'll pass that link to the guys. Thanks!
# July 18, 2005 1:10 PM

Dover said:

You can also view your site in Safari through http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ for free.
# July 20, 2005 12:50 PM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

Now, we can get down to business on Modo, Brendan, and work out the rest.

GO STARS!
# July 22, 2005 2:45 PM

Jason Row said:

Oh yeah ... I'm so glad that there will be hockey this year. Interesting changes to the logo. First thing I noticed was the color change and then I noticed that the text slopes up to the right instead of down.

I'm a little sentimental about the old color scheme though.
# July 22, 2005 3:59 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Jeff - check out the following...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/hockey/nhl/07/25/wings.moves.ap/index.html

Maybe Hatcher will make it back to the Stars :) Yea right...
# July 25, 2005 5:48 PM

Paul Schaeflein said:

Do you need to attend to get the free software? Or do you only need to register?
# July 26, 2005 11:40 AM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

I'm in and can't wait. Did you get my E-Mail?
# July 26, 2005 12:03 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Paul, yes, you will need to attend the event. Are you in the metroplex?

Jeff - yes I did get the email... responding now ;)
# July 26, 2005 12:07 PM

Paul Schaeflein said:

No, I am in Chicago. The Chicago .Net User Group (http://www.cnug.org) had a session about O/R Mappers and they touched briefly on code generation.

I hope to see telligent in Chicago sometime soon.
# July 26, 2005 12:16 PM

Raymond Lewallen said:

I have CodeSmith 3.0, but would certainly like to attend that. I just don't think I'll be able to get down there, which is unfortunate. Middle of the week is hard for me to travel down there.
# July 26, 2005 8:46 PM

Rich Mercer said:

Damn it! I'd like a free copy but it's a fair ol' trek from here to TX!!!! I think the airfare would far outstrip the cost of the software!" ;)
# July 27, 2005 4:07 AM

Kenneth said:

Hm, guess a trip from Oslo/Norway -> Dallas/US for a free copy would be a bit overkill, but I'm tempted :)
# July 27, 2005 3:43 PM

marko said:

It'll be a good way for us to learn how to fully utilize CodeSmith!
# July 27, 2005 4:03 PM

Brandon Tyler said:

I am all on that like CodeSmith on templates. Can't wait to learn from the master!
Denton, TX
# July 27, 2005 9:36 PM

Erik Porter said:

Congrats! I was just voted in as a member of ASPInsiders too! *secret handshake*
# July 29, 2005 1:36 PM

Dave said:

I always thought ASP Insiders were people who spent way too much time on asp message boards instead of doing work. ;-)

What is the benefit of being an ASP Insider?
# July 29, 2005 3:47 PM

Rich Denis said:

Congratulations man. Could happen to a more deserving 'evangelist'. You gettin' any freebies? ;)
# July 29, 2005 5:02 PM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

i don't think I can spare it but I gave them a piece of my mind. The "Zero-Tolerance" policy on hooking/roughing/etc. will suck but not impact the Stars game the way the goalie not being able to play the puck will...
# August 1, 2005 10:50 AM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

Unconfirmed reports Modo signed the 5 year 17.5 mil deal.

Hatcher signed with Flyers to play with JR!

I need more Jack Daniels...
# August 3, 2005 10:01 AM

Rob Howard said:

Center Mike Modano Re-Signs With Stars :)
# August 4, 2005 2:30 AM

Jeffrey Barnes said:

I'm in...

Heard from Steve W.?
# August 22, 2005 12:24 PM

Shaun said:

According to a blogger over at blogs.msdn.com, VS 2005 is set for a November 7th launch and Team System is planned for the first quarter of next year.

Shaun Bedingfield
blogsb.blogspot.com
# August 29, 2005 5:34 PM

Raymond Lewallen said:

Can't make it to PDC, but sure would like it if you could make one of those T-shirts mistakenly find its way back home for me ;)
# September 9, 2005 11:47 AM

Rich Denis said:

Hey man. Just wanted to say hi. I'm still alive, running around like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs ;). Hope you have a blast at PDC. Talk to you soon.

Rich
# September 14, 2005 11:25 AM

JR said:

I am with you. This guy drives me equally if not more crazy!

To Larry Ellisson.. How about you go count your money a couple more times and leave the advancements in technology up to those who actually have a technical mind.
# September 23, 2005 5:40 PM

Edwin said:

with you also... LOL!
# September 23, 2005 6:57 PM

Larry Elison said:

I would agree with you, but my post agreeing with you was backed up on a CD but unencrypted...and I lost it. If you find the CD with my agreeable post, please post it.
# September 25, 2005 2:04 AM

feelmax said:

with you also... LOL!
# October 3, 2005 1:31 PM

Erik Lane said:

Very nice. Was it in the Sept issue? If so I think I missed it. Nice article.
# November 21, 2005 1:57 PM

Scott Dockendorf said:

Thanks Erik! Hope all is well with you and the family.

This article appeared on MSDN Online, not in MSDN Magazine. I believe it will be shipped as part of MSDN Library as well.
# November 21, 2005 5:11 PM

SB said:

Scott, I have removed the post from my blog until i can verify my research. Once that has been done i post suitable clarifications bck to my blog. In the meantime, i hope you will accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.
# November 22, 2005 12:28 PM

BradC said:

Um, your posting from yesterday certainly sounds like you did:

"I recognized that I made a mistake, and should have referred to this article as Automated Unit Testing with Whidbey, and removed all references to TDD."

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BradC, I was referring to the article
http://dotnet.sys-con.com/read/47343.htm

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Scott

I have corrected my post http://www.think-box.co.uk/blog/2005/11/how-not-to-do-it-test-driven.html. I have added a clarification and apology to you.

SB
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