Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

Rumours from the battlefield... Did you know that:

  • Although the Yukon release is still very beta, the core is quite solid
  • That CLR support into T-SQL is already working for years
  • That Visual Studio is often NOT used within Microsoft itself by its developers, projects are way too big
  • But that Visual Studio is used for debugging ;-)
  • That for editing often Slickedit 8.0 is used (seems to support code completion...): during PDC presentations often used!
  • That Whidbey contains a new build system (MSBuild) that works a bit like (N)Ant
  • But that within Microsoft a bit older build system is often still in use, that was also available within the Shared Source implementation of the .Net framework named Rotor
  • That XMLSpy an often used tool within Microsoft is (especially within the Yukon group)

This info may be true... or not. It is just from hear-say...

Published Monday, November 03, 2003 4:13 PM by svdoever
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Monday, November 03, 2003 10:55 AM by Steve

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

Very interesting nugets of possibly true information. One of my colleagues has been using Slickedit and he loves it as well. I think I'll have to give it a try :)
Monday, November 03, 2003 10:59 AM by OmegaSupreme

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

SlickEdit looks cool , do you use it ? is it any good ?
Monday, November 03, 2003 11:21 AM by J

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

It doesn't suprise me that microsoft doesn't use VS.Net for their projects. In it's current release it can be a real pain for projects consisting of more than just a few people. Whidbey is suppose to facilitate team development a lot better so I can't wait to see.
Monday, November 03, 2003 12:11 PM by Wesner Moise

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

VS is used by MS developers. VS and a lite version of VS are used for debugging, except when debugging the operating system in which case the kernel debugger is used.

The bit about the build system is flat wrong. Microsoft has their own proprietary build system, SourceDepot, that is probably far more advanced than any commercially available version. The surprising thing is how easy it is to use.
Monday, November 03, 2003 4:26 PM by Serge van den Oever

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

About SourceDepot (rumours go it is actually an implementation of Perforce, http://www.perforce.com): SourceDepot is not a build system but a source control system.
Monday, November 03, 2003 6:39 PM by Serge van den Oever

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

Looked up the build.exe utility in Rotor. Same as in the Driver Development Tools. See http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ddtools/hh/ddtools/build_use__ddk_4prn.asp for complete documentatation.
Monday, November 03, 2003 9:42 PM by Wallym

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Most of your info is true. There is one correction I would like to make at this time.

Yukon is not very stable at this time. It does not handle transactions well at all. Pretty important for a database...........

Wally
Friday, January 30, 2004 12:29 PM by Trespassers W

# re: Microsoft rumours: Did you know that...

Re the rumours of SourceDepot and Perforce, they are confirmed by the following link:

http://lists.midnightryder.com/pipermail/sweng-gamedev-midnightryder.com/2004-January/001657.html

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