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Why J2EE is so complex Thread [TSSC]

This thread is going in to very interesting mode. Ignorance is bliss, but sometimes it makes developers blind and leads to some kind of comments with no proof and no idea at all..some glimpses of this thread from TSS

Why J2EE is so complex Original Thread

“J2EE is a great specification but the implementation of it is horrible. Microsoft targets 'corporate developers' where ROI and productivity is paramount. Whereas J2EE vendors are targeting just 'developers'.”

Good article. But...in .Net platform assembling, deploying AND migrating can be nightmare too if you get a bunch inexperienced developers. .... – bibin

Yes and in J2EE assembling, deploying and migrating is a nightmare even with *experienced* developers – - Ravi

J2EE is indeed very complex,too many components/packages/ways/specs... in the
 system ,making the developer confuse and deal with too low level issues.
 As well the entire enviroment ,AppServer,IDE ... are lacking efficient tools
 making the developer life simpler.

I hate Microsoft. But in one point they are very good: They know how to make things very easy.
- Ignatyev

Funny, I used to "hate" Microsoft having suffered their "personal productivity tools" for too many years; having dropped that burden I'm, a little more objective and now I'm just suspicious of everything they do or say. – Rich

I did not talk about .NET, but about MS ideology and technologies in general.
Impossibility example: have you ever heard of a supercomputer cluster built on MS technologies?
- Virginia

Yes Virginia,
There is such a thing.
Windows High Performance Computing"

Comments

Scott Galloway said:

Hmm...a touch unfair, J2EE and .NET are aimed at pretty different groups and have different aims, J2EE is a very basic framework with 3rd party extensions at it's core, .NET ius a product in it's own right and is pretty much pre-extended. If you use J2EE without any additional 3rd party classes / frameworks / Application servers then yes, it can be complex (kind of like trying to use .NET without half the namespaces). Tools like apache struts and cocoon make life a whole lot simpler - OK, ASP.NET is still easier than struts but the differense isn't as great as comparing say, base Servlets and ASP.NET (ignoring JSP for the minute which is also pretty cool especially the new versions).
# April 1, 2004 5:15 AM

itebooks said:

Because J2EE is so powerful.
But in fact, only JSP.jdbc.ejb is used widly.
and other techolg may not used so widly.

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