Tony Lombardo - All Comments

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

Mark Arnold — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:50:53 GMT

I'm a WebForms Developer and wanted to know about MVC. Ive just watched 10-15 Videos on the subject at http://www.asp.net and was very interested. However, I still can't make up my mind if I should start using it to create a new application I'm developing. There's a lot to think through..will it have the same look and feel?, can I mix them up (webforms and MVC)?, can I use a 3d party control in an MVC page? I've already spent weeks trying to find out the answers whilst not writing a single line of code or dropping a single control onto a page. Do I realy want to be 2 months into development to find I cant do something in MVC that I could in WebForms? If someone can say "Yes, you can" with authority, I'm going to stick to webforms for now

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

sura — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:05:17 GMT

hello. sir, i am actually working on a thesis entitled "significance of using MVC Framework in developing a web based application"

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re: Demystifying Infragistics WebGrid DataBinding

nssidhu100 — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:20:49 GMT

I found that Updaterow and UpdateRowBatch interfer when you have cascading Combobox, which make a post back .

Also the Cascading combo box posting back make no sense, as it could just call a AJAX web service using out of band call as in AJAX Toolkit.

Look out for Cascading combobox Sample in AJAX tool Kit.

Comparing that functionality with infragistics it makes infragistic looks like grid of 18th century.

Wake Up look at what is available in the market before launching the product.

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

Larry — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:59:12 GMT

This post is one of the best viewpoints I've seen on ASP MVC and it has helped to solidify it for me. After doing a years worth of Ruby on Rails off and on as well as .NET web forms, I'm convinced that MVC is a better solution for web sites while web forms is an excellent solution for web-based applications. And I define a web-based application like this...

If the solution would work as well in client-server form but web-based is chosen for ease of access and distribution, then it is an application.

(BTW... you don't have to use an MVC solution to do MVC designs.)

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

Dave — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:21:16 GMT

Tony, GREAT article. Honestly I'm kind of shocked at how quickly some of the webforms zealots have flocked to MVC.

I remember switching from Classic ASP to .Net webforms thinking about how crazy it was to try and break away from the basic GET and POST concepts, and get into the whole postback thing. Meanwhile people at conventions would hold their nose up and scoff at the old school ASP developers. Now it almost seems like the old Classic ASP development is back, especially if you compare it to the old COM WebClasses model.

I've made plenty of websites in both MVC and webforms, and I absolutely agree that the two can coexist as tools in the same toolbox.

Just another religious war for the programmers. Ignore all the shouting and pick for yourself.

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

Jay — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:01:21 GMT

A very fast search in the article+comments on words like "test", "architecture", "pattern" makes me totally surprised !

All the debate is about comparing two technologies ! But it SHOULD be about comparing two architectural patterns (Page Controller + Template View vs MVC) !!! And, effectively, you choose one of the patterns in different situations !

Why I will certainly not use Webforms anymore is because of the complexity induces by the ASP.NET lifecycle, which is totally unuseful, except for handling stateful components, and the testability of the framework.

Can anyone inject dependencies in pages in a simply manner ? (Yes, I know about Spring ! I've used it !) Can anyone simply unit-test every event handler of a page ? Can anyone simply mock any dependency of a web page ?

So while testability, and so maintanability, is the primary priority, yes, MVC is the best choice you would ever take. But ASP.NET MVC is more than that ! ASP.NET MVC is about scaffolding.

Tony you should really make a deal with one of your friend who knows ruby on rails, and try to beat him in developping a webapp efficiently. Even with complex ASP.NET components. You would be very impressed... unless your friend is not aware of RoR, or if you have blind eyes ! :)

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re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

G.S. — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:29:29 GMT

You said it all!

I only want to comment on the comment that "WebForms is for VB6 developers who don't want to learn web and Javascript."

That statement falls apart as soon as some "web and JavaScript" guru faces the development of a true business application. He will either fail to deliver, or if he's really good, he'll end up reinventing 99% of what WebForms brings to the table.

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

foobar — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:34:48 GMT

-- alessandro

>> microsoft has been quick to fix it and these are all fixes we get for FREE

You're deluding yourself. You pay for AspNet indirectly. If you want to run your AspNet-based website you have to have Win2k3 or Win2k8. And you must pay for it.

>> many new enhancements on the way for webforms

Again, you're deluding yourself. Microsoft will never abandon its support for web forms, but it's not going to keep sinking any significant money in web forms either. Microsoft is betting on Silverlight. And that's the technology web-form adherents should be looking into.

re: MVC vs. WebForms, A Clear Loser Emerging

webforms — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:00:29 GMT

cool. These are the same conclusions I came to myself. MVC is nice on paper!